The gulags, a forgotten past? - From Moscow to Magadan

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Jelle spends the night in the remains of a Russian Gulag, a camp for forced workers, when it's -25C. He also meets an old couple who survived the Gulag terror.
Original title: Vergeten verleden
What's left of communism? How big are the differences between the poor and the rich? What is the influence of corruption? Is Russia a "young democracy" (as former Dutch prime minister Jan Peter Balkenende previously said)?Is it a "sovereign democracy" (according to Putin) or a "fascist regime" (as read in The Economist)? Jelle Brandt Corstius is looking for the topics that rule the life of ordinary Russians in Russia.
Presented by: Jelle Brandt Corstius
© VPRO February 2010
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English, French and Spanish subtitles by Ericsson and co-funded by the European Union.

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@kentario1610 4 жыл бұрын

It's really refreshing to see a high quality video on a historical event like gulags in the places they happened, asking the survivors about their experiences, examining the impact it has today, and all in the same language it happened in. It shows you value the story and the experience the people had. It was good practice for my spotty Russian too, yours is great as far as I can tell!

@MatheusCarvalho-ji5uc 6 жыл бұрын

That's the best video I've ever seen about Gulags, thanks for presenting such a nice and serious video VPRO!

@vproworldstories 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Matheus. We are glad to see you again in the comments!

@venkateshkavarthapu6129 4 жыл бұрын

Your amazing man going some where by watching this videos exploring new world

@drzeworyj 6 жыл бұрын

one little correction for the video: I think the gulag that is mentioned around 11:03 is called 'Dneprovskyi'. it shows as 'Dnieprovsk' in the English version and 'Dnipropetrovsk' with Spanish subtitles. the latter could bring about some serious confusion ;)

@vproworldstories 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your feedback, we appreciate it and we are going to look into it.

@jackharrison6771 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making/posting this video. It's excellent, and always interesting and easy to follow. More like this please. I never got that far East, but did visit the USSR more than once. The Russian people were great with me. Jack.

@klinela 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for a great video! What year was it made?

@ivanvergara158 4 жыл бұрын

Este documental toca fibras muy sencibles del alma rusa, muy buen documental felicitaciones.

@user-ki8il9sm5j 4 жыл бұрын

U cant hold aweapon like this even if ur sure no bullet ..teacher was unhappy .

@drzeworyj 6 жыл бұрын

uh, and another one (Spanish subtitles): 'эффективный менаджер' ≠ 'cariñoso administrador', the difference being quite big in this case

@vproworldstories 6 жыл бұрын

Ok, could you tell us what the text should be and what the current text is? and at what time in the video does it happen?

@drzeworyj 6 жыл бұрын

21:20 'cariñoso administrador' means 'loving manager', 'eficaz administrador´ would mean 'effective manager'.

@dandukedog979 4 жыл бұрын

Where's the subtitles ?

@vproworldstories 4 жыл бұрын

In CC!

@mateoELpatricio 6 жыл бұрын

Hay cada rusa que madre mía me casaba con ella mañana

@felixdzerzhinsky9926 4 жыл бұрын

first quote is a fake, stalin never says that, nice docs (new subscriber)

@MarkoKraguljac 6 жыл бұрын

It's always interesting to see where storyteller decides to draw limits of their story-box and implicitly explain everything by events in that box. No mention of western meddling, aggression and invasion of nascent SU. Would there be any gulags or how terrible would they be; would SU deviate into dictatorship as it did if it was not met, pressured and constantly threatened by western imperialists? Lets not pretend western power, affluence and influence (Dutch included!) rose from ethical behavior around the world. It's easy to pretend to be virtuous after you insanely enriched yourselves by rape, exploitation and plundering of *the world* .

@drzeworyj 6 жыл бұрын

Marko, but who's pretending? gulags are a lesson for the whole humankind and we need to talk about them. some Russian grassroot organisations such as Memorial are an example of humanism, a deeper kind of conscience that helps prevent such dark episodes of history. have you heard of someone in Holland being persecuted/having problems for talking about the colonial past?

@drzeworyj 6 жыл бұрын

and let us focus on facts, not speculations. USRR was a country run by a psychopath (a real illness, not an insult). upon his order almost a million citizens were shot (many of them random, it could have been me or you, for being 'foreign spies', or your grandma). how do you insert your 'because-of-the West woulda' here? and btw., did you know that currently about 50% of Russians justify those measures? for me, that qualifies them for therapy. there is NO justification for the crimes of communism, neither there is one for the crimes of colonialism, Holocaust etc. - realising that would have spared you writing your comment. I'm blindly guessing you have Serbian roots, your optics must be different and I understand that. let me tell you one thing - the Balkan countries had a lot of luck to have been situated far away from USSR during communism. my country didn't. it was attacked by the 'nascent SU' twice: when the nascent SU fancied the idea of installing communism there plus that other time while Stalin was still buddies with Hitler. never heard of an invasion of nascent SU by the West. Soviet communism was a sick system, much sicker than anything we have now.

@Tiger-lg5of 5 жыл бұрын

I am in the UK and I am sick of failed states and countries never taking responsibility for their failures or so called suffering. Always they blame an outside developed country for their suffering, letting their useless leaders to get away with poor governance. This is especially so in Africa, but after watching these Dutch documentaries on USSR I see they are brainwashed that the white west was part of their mistakes. Stalin was a Georgian Jew who changed his name. Here in the west , development in hostile regions ( example Alaska ) is done by paying skilled men lots of money to go out there to work and develop , mines and oil fields, the high wages payed to them stimulates the economy , because they can buy cars and houses and furniture , food which helps producers of products to manufacture.

@styrbjornstarke4162 6 жыл бұрын

The old lady in the beginning of the movie said that she's 80 y.o. She also mentioned she was born in 1929. Hmm.. The numbers don't add up. Also, she was speaking Russian with a very thick Ukranian accent. Nowadays all former Gulag residents claim they were political prisoners. No. I don't buy it she was one. Most of the Ukranians sent to Gulag after the WWII were the nazzi collaborationists. Those who helped nazzis to mass execute jews in the Babyi Yar. I'm not sorry for them. Overall the documentary is not bad. Provided though you disregard its obvious anti-Russian propaganda bias. ;-| Disclaimer: I hate communists and I'm glad the soviets have failed.

@vproworldstories 6 жыл бұрын

The series is from 2010....numbers do add up. ;)

@zasmirko100 6 жыл бұрын

That old woman was surely one of Babyi Yar´s most bloody nazzi murderers, there isnt any reason to feel any pity about her for sure.

@Tiger-lg5of 5 жыл бұрын

You lot are insane , a 17 year old girl is now a Nazi mass murderer.

@shergy1000 4 жыл бұрын

So Jew lives matter more? that's what you seem to be saying.