The Gun that Changed Crime in the 90's

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2 ай бұрын

The Hi Point handgun has been influential on gun crime in America, changing the culture of crime and how it is committed.
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@jasondesselles9168
@jasondesselles9168 2 ай бұрын
In the 90's I was a professional musician. I knew a drug dealer who sold someone a Hi Point and told him it was a Glock for $500.
@jeremiah_12
@jeremiah_12 2 ай бұрын
Smart businessman.
@wesmonahan8488
@wesmonahan8488 2 ай бұрын
79.99$
@PrinceAsmodeus
@PrinceAsmodeus 2 ай бұрын
🤣
@scoobertdoobert1774
@scoobertdoobert1774 2 ай бұрын
That had to hurt their soul when they found out they got bamboozled
@thiago32994
@thiago32994 2 ай бұрын
We have glock at home ;u;
@Louzahsol
@Louzahsol 2 ай бұрын
1911: muh 2 world wars Hi-point: 10,000 turf wars
@AtomicStateDelivery
@AtomicStateDelivery 2 ай бұрын
Perfect 👍
@saltlife8221
@saltlife8221 2 ай бұрын
Rock 57 laughs at body armor.
@celebral_pelosi
@celebral_pelosi 2 ай бұрын
sheiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
@GTH321
@GTH321 2 ай бұрын
I think the G2C has taken its place
@danielmacdonald8358
@danielmacdonald8358 2 ай бұрын
Priceless comment 😂😂
@statictech7
@statictech7 2 ай бұрын
As much as people talk down Hi Point and Kel Tec they need to understand these are American companies and need to be respected for trying to make affordable arms for Americans.
@Fusako8
@Fusako8 2 ай бұрын
Kel-tec is also one of the few companies trying radically new things.
@robertsaget6918
@robertsaget6918 2 ай бұрын
"Second Amendment rights only apply to whites & Asians who can afford 'real guns' we all know any poor whites or browns in general running cheap guns or owning any gun are just soon-to-be criminals" - most Republicans
@Joaquin546
@Joaquin546 2 ай бұрын
Eh I'll stick with my Glock
@johnathancampbell1056
@johnathancampbell1056 2 ай бұрын
​@Joaquin546 ruger over glock all day
@bojiden5042
@bojiden5042 2 ай бұрын
@@johnathancampbell1056 yeah a mini 14 lmao Ruger has good guns all around I’m not a Glock fan boy but carry one on occasion I prefer my sig
@gtlawone
@gtlawone 2 ай бұрын
Its crazy how stylish and sleek that glock looks after looking at the Hipoint for 13 minutes.
@kyleRS87
@kyleRS87 2 ай бұрын
Hi point has my vote for looks lol
@squatchwatch5237
@squatchwatch5237 2 ай бұрын
That's what I'm saying 😅
@kadenwhiteaker
@kadenwhiteaker 2 ай бұрын
@@kyleRS87 You have to have a maximum age of 10 then.
@darksoulsismycity
@darksoulsismycity 2 ай бұрын
First time i saw the Hi Point i thought it was supposed to be some kind of high powered high recoil gun like the desert eagle due to how massive the whole chamber is Then i realized "oh it's just an oversized 9mm"
@kyleRS87
@kyleRS87 2 ай бұрын
@@kadenwhiteaker You must have the mentality of a 10 year old if that offends you.
@glennwhisler8678
@glennwhisler8678 2 ай бұрын
Highpoint has a warranty like no other gun manufacturer. No matter how many times a Highpoint pistol was sold or traded, Highpoint will fix it, no questions asked. other gun makers, have a one year warranty to the original buyer, and don’t tell them if you’re shooting reman ammo, or you’ll void the warranty. Highpoint wont.
@GUE5TPA55
@GUE5TPA55 2 ай бұрын
Thank God there are people here that know about Hi Points ...... I'm calling into question this guy's integrity
@ThisShitDontFlush
@ThisShitDontFlush 2 ай бұрын
I use to work with a guy that swore by his 9mm HP. I told him i thought they were trash. Fast forward to NOW… I don’t know anyone that’s had problems with any of the carbines and ammo is cheap for 9mm and pretty low priced for the 380 where I been lookin. I’m afraid if I buy one, someone I know will come in while I’m paying for it.
@J.Walker88
@J.Walker88 2 ай бұрын
Around 15 or 16 I bought one from a guy for 50 bucks, the safety switch had been broken off. I sent it to Highpoint, and I got it back within a week. Safety fixed, a new stock(I don’t know why), and two new mags. I lived in the country, was “homeschooled” but constantly was sneaking away from the house carrying a real firearm literally everywhere I went from the age of 10. I have probably killed more animals (non-game animals) than most people have ever seen. Cool fact, from standing on a four wheeler, shooting an armadillo in the head that is facing you a 9mm bullet will come out the tip of his tail. The first time was an accident, three times on purpose. I put a lot of rounds through it, It was very accurate, and I can’t think of ever having any problems with it. I love the carbines don’t care to mess with the pistols.
@kylewhite8434
@kylewhite8434 2 ай бұрын
Dude you are psycho AF, why are you killing armadillos for no reason?​@@J.Walker88
@oldman8996
@oldman8996 2 ай бұрын
I fuqing love this dude ​@@J.Walker88
@Xstreamaudio
@Xstreamaudio 2 ай бұрын
If you get shot with a high point it takes your soul
@FastLaneLyfe
@FastLaneLyfe 2 ай бұрын
If it doesn’t misfire
@free_at_last8141
@free_at_last8141 2 ай бұрын
You don't get shot with these things, you get shot at.
@ashc4167
@ashc4167 2 ай бұрын
If you get shot by this you lose your sneakers, wallet and car
@ps3andrhcp
@ps3andrhcp 2 ай бұрын
​@@FastLaneLyfe They're actually fairly reliable if anything
@jasondesselles9168
@jasondesselles9168 2 ай бұрын
And leaves a bigger wound channel.
@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack
@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack 2 ай бұрын
My friend owns a local pawn shop he sells these $199 ... he can't keep em in stock...if you get shot at in my town it will most likely be a HP 9mm..
@jimchambers7548
@jimchambers7548 2 ай бұрын
If ya get hit it doesn't matter if it's HP or Glock😅
@thischannelisbackon5679
@thischannelisbackon5679 2 ай бұрын
They don't usually chamber hollow points that well. Hi-points can also cycle ratshot and Glocks cannot.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 2 ай бұрын
​@@thischannelisbackon5679 That's both untrue & nearly pointless. I shot an entire box of shot shells in my 19x with no failures. Either way, it's a round that is useless for anything besides pest control or possibly for close range dog attacks.
@thischannelisbackon5679
@thischannelisbackon5679 2 ай бұрын
@@pewpew9193 Worked at gun store and was tested by employees. C9s and the JCP40 I own will not run HPs. Most customers complained about HP pickiness.
@pewpew9193
@pewpew9193 2 ай бұрын
@@thischannelisbackon5679 I'm not talking about the HPs, I'm talking about the ratshot comment.
@shmeckelpeckel4483
@shmeckelpeckel4483 2 ай бұрын
“The intended purpose of shooting out of the window of a Chevy impala at 3 am” that made me crack up 😂
@davidbrayshaw3529
@davidbrayshaw3529 Күн бұрын
Yeah, he's way out of touch. Everyone knows that it's a Nissan Altima.
@Drone86
@Drone86 2 ай бұрын
“It’s always a good day when you hear someone running a high point over the radio.” - best Sgt I ever had
@trsgringo
@trsgringo Ай бұрын
Chicago...Zone 10
@richards.mchardy3556
@richards.mchardy3556 2 ай бұрын
I bought mine almost 30 years ago, and it hasn't yet failed. I paid 99 dollars for it
@davidmarks5400
@davidmarks5400 Ай бұрын
Hi points are great guns,not just for the price. If you do a gun video about a hi point you're obligated to say something bad about it or else the gun snobs won't take you seriously.
@krayz3d214
@krayz3d214 Ай бұрын
I love it
@dickward1090
@dickward1090 Ай бұрын
did you buy it at a gun store, a pawn shop, or a “private sale”
@Felon_With_A_Gun
@Felon_With_A_Gun 5 күн бұрын
No malfunctions?
@richards.mchardy3556
@richards.mchardy3556 5 күн бұрын
@@Felon_With_A_Gun not yet ,
@hewhoeatscheese
@hewhoeatscheese 2 ай бұрын
"Opfor weapon" coming from a police trainer is hilarious.
@ThatOnePizzaMan
@ThatOnePizzaMan 2 ай бұрын
glad i wasnt the only one who caught that 💀
@clydemarshall8095
@clydemarshall8095 2 ай бұрын
Well, no police force is equipping themselves with these things and most armed citizens don’t carry them either. I’m glad they exist for people who can’t afford anything else, but they necessarily have a limited customer base as most people who can do go for something even just a bit better.
@robertsaget6918
@robertsaget6918 2 ай бұрын
​@@clydemarshall8095way to miss the entire first 3:00 minutes of the video
@FerociousSniper
@FerociousSniper 2 ай бұрын
They use military equipment, and apparently now they use military terminology. They're being trained to go to war, and you're the enemy.
@CantoniaCustoms
@CantoniaCustoms 2 ай бұрын
Might as well just use the n-word
@TheBeefSlayer
@TheBeefSlayer 2 ай бұрын
I’ve heard many different types of ammo loaded into the same mag referred to as a “project load” because it’s so common in the government project housing.
@jeremyronald
@jeremyronald 2 ай бұрын
Hollowpoint followed by daisy cutter, RIP round, Winchester target, a round made of actual lead, and 4 rounds they cut an X into the rip because "it's almost a hollowpoint, bruh".
@robertsaget6918
@robertsaget6918 2 ай бұрын
​@@jeremyronaldI also enjoy inventing fake people to laugh at
@lv1543
@lv1543 2 ай бұрын
@@jeremyronaldreal
@TwoCiggyStory
@TwoCiggyStory 2 ай бұрын
Ive seen body cam footage where they recover a gun and the magazine isn’t just full of mismatched types of ammo, but different calibers
@Lololol-t8r
@Lololol-t8r Ай бұрын
P no you haven't​@@TwoCiggyStory
@LegoDarkknight-c3k
@LegoDarkknight-c3k 2 ай бұрын
I'd say now a days in Chicago the most common gun you see criminals using and been using for years is Glock, Tarus, Smith and Wesson. But 9 times out of ten you usually see a Glock with some sort of extended mag. For the past two/three years now you've been seeing people use the switch on Glocks now. Great video
@rflats771
@rflats771 2 ай бұрын
Lol used to be the Tec 9, there's a A&E show from the 90's that showed about 10 of them sitting in the Cabrini Green projects confiscated gun room
@Jrh-rp7np
@Jrh-rp7np 2 ай бұрын
Wow you sir have been reading the news,, because you have no idea what you’re talking about.. anytime I see hoods with guns they are cheap garbage..
@rflats771
@rflats771 2 ай бұрын
@@Jrh-rp7np lol, yuuuppp, that's why the Tec-9 and SWD MAC-10
@LegoDarkknight-c3k
@LegoDarkknight-c3k 2 ай бұрын
@@Jrh-rp7np Really because if go on social media and see these gang bangers posting videos you can see dudes carrying Glocks with extended mags with switches on them. Nobody carries high points no more the times have changed and people are carrying other handguns
@LegoDarkknight-c3k
@LegoDarkknight-c3k 2 ай бұрын
@@Jrh-rp7np Go look at some of the Chicago Police Social Media pages and you will see what I'm saying the weapons they're recovering Glocks, Smith, and Tarus is the new high point its cheap, so a lot of people buy it BARLEY anybody gets a high point that's the thing of the past.
@philippicphilodox888
@philippicphilodox888 2 ай бұрын
Admittedly, I used to be a bit of a gun snob, but I realized that honest, hard working, but low income folks who live in these "high crime" areas have the same right to personal defense as the rest of us. Though I have no data, it seems the S&W SD9 may be eclipsing the High Point in this role these days, despite the fact that it's at least 1/3 more expensive.
@harpandblooz7733
@harpandblooz7733 Күн бұрын
Sd9 in 40 is a hood fave
@Yugophoto
@Yugophoto 2 ай бұрын
one thing that surprises me is how chunky that pistol is vs how tiny the magazine is
@ThisShitDontFlush
@ThisShitDontFlush 2 ай бұрын
Go look up the old Cobra 380 made in Salt Lake City or the Wilkinson ‘Linda’. From the 70’s. They didn’t look much different than the Highpoint looks.
@Just1American1966
@Just1American1966 2 ай бұрын
The higher the caliber of a blowback-operated pistol, the heavier the slide and spring must be to regulate chamber pressure
@evphex
@evphex 2 ай бұрын
The slide is pot metal. That’s why it’s so massive.
@DareToBeDeviant
@DareToBeDeviant 2 ай бұрын
@@ThisShitDontFlush One of my cousins was concerned for his mother's safety so he gave her a Cobra Denali 6 years ago. I only found this out on the day she and I took a planned trip to the local range. It looked sketchy so it went in my roller case and was never shot. Besides, who shoots .380? After our hour was up we went back out to get our IDs back. That's when I asked a clerk to look at the weird gun. He said what was on our minds ~ he wouldn't want to shoot it under any circumstances. Some people have uploaded test firings onto KZfaq since then and even they're a bit hesitant. It sort of works... however, is that something you'd want to give to your mother for self defense? Before 2020 made prices soar, I believe it was a sub-$100 pistol. It looks like something we'd get out of a gumball machine.
@ThisShitDontFlush
@ThisShitDontFlush 2 ай бұрын
@@DareToBeDeviant well who gives someone a short barrel pistol in 9mm or a larger caliber with hard recoil that the person isn’t use to for personal defense and expecting that person will just go out and shoot it enough to get use to it? (People steer away from things that hurt) a lot of people shoot 380 or else every gun manufacturing company wouldn’t have them in their sales lineup. My ole woman, has a 6 shot 380 revolver, one of 3-380’s she owns. S&W makes a few of them. They have 3 models of the same pistol. One with a ported barrel, one with a manual safety one without the manual safety, Sig has 3 models of the same model as their 380, Kimber has a couple, Ruger has a new model of their last 380, Walther has a few, and the list continues.
@bigdapramirez6157
@bigdapramirez6157 2 ай бұрын
The bit you mentioned with people stealing 1 or 2 rounds from an ammo box in a store might explain why some confiscated guns have an array of different bullet types pictured with the gun
@TheBeefSlayer
@TheBeefSlayer 2 ай бұрын
They call this a project load. People go shoot or shoot part of a mag and end up with a few left over and then eventually they load up what they got left.
@thoughtbomb6490
@thoughtbomb6490 2 ай бұрын
I assume that usually happens bc the gun was bought and sold by multiple people who shot it until they had their "carry rounds" left. Then pass them on to the next buyer. Eventually you get an idiot with a hodgepodge of hollow points lol.
@bub62804
@bub62804 2 ай бұрын
Array of bullets, perps believe more shooters will be suspected
@658webster
@658webster 2 ай бұрын
​@@thoughtbomb6490 Hollowpoints? Most street guns I take off people are loaded with steel and brass fmj, with maybe a hollow point or two mixed in
@smerfcy
@smerfcy 2 ай бұрын
Isn’t this exactly what he said?
@shadown5757
@shadown5757 2 ай бұрын
Well in the demolition ranch channel they ran the high point through many destruction tests and surprisingly it held itself flawlessly and was able to keep shooting through all the destruction trials. It sure is ugly as F and bulky as F but they are pretty reliable 🤷🏻‍♂️
@dbag_actual
@dbag_actual Ай бұрын
Dude that thing went bang for bang with his Glock almost to the end if I remember correctly
@johnnywilliams931
@johnnywilliams931 2 ай бұрын
I have a high point it's the only handgun I could afford I use it as a home defense pistol
@alarictheredboi276yearsago4
@alarictheredboi276yearsago4 2 ай бұрын
Hey at least you’re armed.
@evancourtney7746
@evancourtney7746 2 ай бұрын
God bless you sir, and that’s what it’s for, affordable personal and home defense.
@kevincowan4887
@kevincowan4887 2 ай бұрын
Remember the cheap gun you have beats the expensive one you don't
@XanVicious
@XanVicious 2 ай бұрын
Man, if you value the criminals life you get a High Point. If you value yours you get anything else…
@Stolas1777
@Stolas1777 2 ай бұрын
@@XanViciousthere are literally tons of videos of these things being tortured way more than anyone would ever do to a sig or Glock and it still shoots.
@jimchambers7548
@jimchambers7548 2 ай бұрын
I remember buying a HP in the late 90s for $99. It was $25 more than the Jennings 9😅
@Just1American1966
@Just1American1966 2 ай бұрын
..and far more solid a pistol.
@Xfaction1111
@Xfaction1111 2 ай бұрын
If the ammo needs to be babied, if the slide needs to be babied, if the magazine needs to be babied, if the trigger sucks and if you make a 15 minute video systematically explaining to an autistic level of detail why this gun is sub par. . . It may be a Hi Point
@NotHaunted...
@NotHaunted... 2 ай бұрын
Lmao
@jeffthornton6998
@jeffthornton6998 2 ай бұрын
Almost none of that is true. Unless you are talking about a Desert Eagle.
@thinkingimpaired5663
@thinkingimpaired5663 2 ай бұрын
The high point name doesn't go on, until the flaws are engineered in.
@bub62804
@bub62804 2 ай бұрын
In his opinion
@lanceroberthough1275
@lanceroberthough1275 2 ай бұрын
You don't know what the f*** you're talking about
@rflats771
@rflats771 2 ай бұрын
The cheap gun thing started wayyyyy before the Hi-Point, he apparently isn't aware of the 70's and the RG and Rohm etc "Saturday night specials", then in the late 80's you started to have the Jennings, Bryco, Raven and more "ring of fire" guns
@meekrob29
@meekrob29 2 ай бұрын
I don't think he was claiming Hi-Point started the phenomenon of cheap guns, but rather that it became the dominant cheap gun in the 90s. I'll admit "changed the way crime is committed" is a fairly vague statement and he spends much more time talking about the function of the gun then supporting that statement, with the primary supporting example being the empty chamber carrying.
@xgin2637
@xgin2637 2 ай бұрын
Yep!
@BigRiggzPits
@BigRiggzPits 2 ай бұрын
I had a raven but it was labeled cobra, a 32
@rflats771
@rflats771 2 ай бұрын
@@BigRiggzPits LOL,my condolences
@redfoxtheposer8808
@redfoxtheposer8808 2 ай бұрын
My dad has a bryco 59. Apparently he tried to shoot it a bit ago and it blew up on him. Clean your guns
@hcplanner
@hcplanner 2 ай бұрын
People hack on the Hi-Point because they are cheap, but in 2013 when I was a small-town Wisconsin officer, the only homicide I handled in my 25 years (and continuing) was a recently released felon from prison from Milwaukee who shot his new girlfriend in the face with his Hi-Point C-9. I was the unfortunate officer who found her in the bathtub after a welfare check from concerned friends and family and she had a neat 9mm hole in her forehead. That particular Hi-Point C-9 seemed to do what was intended for.. He's spending the rest of his life in prison and I've since bought several Hi--Points in a variety of calibers. They go bang every time and fairly accurate. Are they better than a Glock; of course not, that's just ridiculous; but if that's what you can afford, have at it!
@RageUnchained
@RageUnchained 2 ай бұрын
A cheap gun that cycles is better than no gun at all
@3ure
@3ure Ай бұрын
hell yea
@fortheloveofking
@fortheloveofking 23 күн бұрын
Damn, she must have been a pretty shitty gf..
@ProductBasement
@ProductBasement 2 ай бұрын
I love how ironic the name "Hi Point" is, when it's apparently mainly used by desparados with nothing to lose
@coreymichae3747
@coreymichae3747 2 ай бұрын
Now your more likely to run into a 16 year old with a Glock that has a 30 round mag with a switch on it
@knightwolf5006
@knightwolf5006 2 ай бұрын
yah thats weird aint it
@thaistomp
@thaistomp 2 ай бұрын
Guns have become mainstream that’s why. Thanks to movies, video games, and gangster rap 😎
@clydemarshall8095
@clydemarshall8095 2 ай бұрын
@@thaistompthis is the United States. Guns have ALWAYS been mainstream here.
@Gizzor
@Gizzor 2 ай бұрын
​@@clydemarshall8095 are you 75??? dude guns have been "mainstream" since before movies, the wild west for example, its not gangster rap and games
@kitdatkat
@kitdatkat 2 ай бұрын
@@thaistomp boomer moment forgetting guns existed before rap music
@357_SWAGNUM_MAGA_X
@357_SWAGNUM_MAGA_X 2 ай бұрын
Yea paul harrel said he had alot of trouble trying to take apart a 45 highpoint.
@andymaciver1760
@andymaciver1760 2 ай бұрын
Why would you ever take it apart? You don't need to clean it
@jcdenton6074
@jcdenton6074 2 ай бұрын
I have a J.Stallard Maverick 9 which is the proto-hipoint and that gun is as heavy as a Cadillac but as reliable as a Toyota Hilux. Got it from a pawn shop for $20.
@RageUnchained
@RageUnchained 2 ай бұрын
Damn even if it didn’t run for shit at least you could take it to a buy back and get 180 bucks out of it accounting for the 20 bucks you paid 😂
@jcdenton6074
@jcdenton6074 2 ай бұрын
@@RageUnchained lmao
@murphy1832
@murphy1832 2 ай бұрын
Never heard of it. Googled it and it looks like a low poly tokarev in black
@user-px6ul4zw5r
@user-px6ul4zw5r 2 ай бұрын
They weren't called highpoint in the 90's it was Haskell and from my knowledge they only made a .45 which I use to own all metal
@glennwhisler8678
@glennwhisler8678 2 ай бұрын
Was it ‘Haskell’ or ‘Stallard’ I’ve seen the Stallard JS-9. It looks like a HP but with flat features. Never heard of a Haskell until now?
@user-px6ul4zw5r
@user-px6ul4zw5r 2 ай бұрын
It was Haskell
@glennwhisler8678
@glennwhisler8678 2 ай бұрын
@@user-px6ul4zw5r how about this…… you’re right and I’m right and there’s another one that’s been hiding in the shadows thats identically as ugly as the 9mm and the 45!… the Iberia 40cal. The Stallard was manufactured by ‘Maverick Firearms’ as the JS-9 9mm in Mansfield Oh in 1987. The ‘S’ in JS is Stallard’s initial. The Haskell was manufactured the JHP-45 acp under ‘Haskell Manufacturing’ in Lima Oh in 1987. The ‘H’ in JHP was Haskell’s initial. Interestingly, the Haskell had its own magazine but it would accept Colt 1911 mags too. There was the Iberia JCP-40cal manufactured under ‘Cole-Lective Manufacturing’ in Galion Oh, 1987 by John Cole and the letter’C’ in the model is Cole’s initial. From what I’m understanding, these three companies were making guns to be sold by ‘Beemiller distributing Company’ of Mansfield Oh. Beemiller was thought to be a brother-in-law to Stallard. Nothing is said how Stallard or Beemiller knows Cole or Haskell, but isn’t it convenient that the three companies made the exact same pistols in different calibers without patent infringments? Beemiller incorporated Highpoint in 1992 and the names of these guns started to bear the Highpoint name.
@georgiahoosier
@georgiahoosier 2 ай бұрын
@@glennwhisler8678 I used to get them for our gun shop in the late 80s, and you're correct, they were called Stallards. Our cost on them was $70 and they retailed for $99. Never got one back, so I guess they worked even then!
@thedoc8679
@thedoc8679 2 ай бұрын
I’ve seen them stamped Stallard too.
@kenofken9458
@kenofken9458 2 ай бұрын
Hi-Point: The only gun that can undercut the price of a Khyber Pass copy of itself!🤣
@kosti_lustr
@kosti_lustr 2 ай бұрын
"...It's intended purpose of shooting out the window of a Chevy Impala at 3:00 in the morning..." My guy here is a complete savage! that cracked me up!!!
@604cpr
@604cpr 2 ай бұрын
Seems nowadays you’re more likely to run into some kind of Glock type pistol, and increasingly they’re being equipped with switches
@SWIGGITYSWAGWIGGITYWAG
@SWIGGITYSWAGWIGGITYWAG 2 ай бұрын
Thats because gangs are probably getting armed by feds
@BrokeBoy912
@BrokeBoy912 2 ай бұрын
Best $100 I ever spent.
@bojiden5042
@bojiden5042 2 ай бұрын
I knew a drug dealer he thought he owned a 40 caliber Smith and Wesson and when I seen the evidence it was a high point chambered in 40 cal … best paper weight ever
@EasilyCringed
@EasilyCringed 2 ай бұрын
I was watching a 90s documentary on gun smuggiling in the inner cities called "Hot Guns". The most common gun I saw in the documentary was a lorcin .380
@wexfordbuccos_7161
@wexfordbuccos_7161 2 ай бұрын
“This is my Glock 40” IYKYK
@PXCharon
@PXCharon 2 ай бұрын
Cop culture: calling an inexpensive handgun an "Opfor weapon". You're not Recon Marines, you're civil servants.
@Stolas1777
@Stolas1777 2 ай бұрын
It is hilarious but also a big problem how cops and police forces overall are more and more militarized. With their speech patterns which influence thought patterns, coupled with the rhetoric of war on crime/war on _____. Coupled with their increasing access to military equipment is such a horror show and one of the many reasons police are so out of control. They went through barely any training and are not dealing with enemy combatants, they are supposed to be serving and protecting citizens. Meanwhile Sgt. Shitforbrains thinks he’s a spec ops operator and is in fact just a p.o.s hiding behind a badge and a too powerful union.
@bayouman1901
@bayouman1901 Ай бұрын
Go pull a few night shifts in South Chiraq, or East Savannahstan and get back to us
@shadowcelica5554
@shadowcelica5554 2 ай бұрын
first time i saw a Hi Point i thought it was a some sort of toy gun
@lovelessissimo
@lovelessissimo 2 ай бұрын
I have a Lorcin 380. Its like a budget Hi Point.
@EasilyCringed
@EasilyCringed 2 ай бұрын
I was watching a 90s documentary on gun smuggiling in the inner cities called "Hot Guns". The most common gun I saw in the documentary was a lorcin .380
@lovelessissimo
@lovelessissimo 2 ай бұрын
@EasilyCringed when i was like 25, my buddy was moving out of state, and couldn't take it with him. He offered to sell it to me. I said I only have 40 bucks. He said "sold" as quickly as he realized I was saying a number that isn't zero. It's so bad.
@S.C.-wo8hq
@S.C.-wo8hq 2 ай бұрын
Even today, when I think of a .380, that's the gun I see. As a kid, it was almost like .380 wasn't even a caliber. It was like it was a model number. I never even considered a different looking pistol being chanbered in .380.
@Imstillaround9x19
@Imstillaround9x19 2 ай бұрын
A budget hipoint is just a rock
@lovelessissimo
@lovelessissimo 2 ай бұрын
@Imstillaround9x19 after 4 or 5 rounds, that's what it becomes, because the trigger assembly comes apart.
@baptistgaming91
@baptistgaming91 2 ай бұрын
I have a gen 1 hi point in .40 caliber. It's all steel framed and has the magazine release under the pistol grip. They seem to be rather rare and honestly built better than the gen 2s.
@loquat44-40
@loquat44-40 2 ай бұрын
Most HiPoint JCP have: The model JCP has a polymer frame like all Hi-Point pistols, a 4.5 inch barrel, and a slide composed of ZAMAK-3 with steel reinforcements. I purchased one in .45 ACP just see what they were about. I put three 9 shot mags of FMJ, all shot well and I have not touch the gun years. I purchased a used 995 carbine that did not run. I got on the HiPoint Forum and found that a stronger recoil spring assembly would fix it and now it runs factory ammo. I do not fire it very much since I have better guns. Now days the gang banger seem to like glocks. Same carry issue if you do not use a holster in that the chamber should be empty.
@TheScrumpys
@TheScrumpys 2 ай бұрын
its a real shame the gen2 isnt that great. They added a bunch of nice features but it just doesnt work from what i hear
@Ren505nm
@Ren505nm 2 ай бұрын
I thought they were made of zinc.
@shadowwolf9503
@shadowwolf9503 2 ай бұрын
I had one. It worked great.
@TheScrumpys
@TheScrumpys 2 ай бұрын
@@shadowwolf9503 when'd you get it? I saw James Reeves review it when it released and he said it didnt run well
@untrust2033
@untrust2033 2 ай бұрын
Somehow this video held my attention the whole way through. It's refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what they are talking about rather than just mindlessly bashing or promoting something.
@KnifeNinjaEDC
@KnifeNinjaEDC 2 ай бұрын
Awesome information! Never a bad thing to hear some info from someone who’s dealt with them as much as you have. I appreciate it
@goaway3717
@goaway3717 2 ай бұрын
I bought my Hi Point guns when I didn't have much money and needed something decently reliable. The roll pin is why I tend to hate my Hi Point 9mm or .45ACP. and don't carry them any longer now that I have much better and easier to clean handguns. I have cleaned them and have not needed to replace the pin. I classify Hi Point handguns as one of the best 'entry level' priced handguns you can get for the money. Until I could afford my first 1911 I chose a Hi Point .45 as my handgun of choice. It did the job, was reasonably accurate when fed decent ball ammo and since it's so top heavy with the cast slide it could serve as a club if I ran out of ammo.
@bigbluemsp
@bigbluemsp 2 ай бұрын
I had a partner that carried it as a duty weapon. The department actually let him carry it. He now carries a Glock
@normaperez7906
@normaperez7906 2 ай бұрын
No freaking way
@labyrinth75
@labyrinth75 2 ай бұрын
Fake story from a fake cop.
@lilskrappywfp
@lilskrappywfp 2 ай бұрын
No you didn't
@peppironee4736
@peppironee4736 2 ай бұрын
Your department was a joke
@royrodgersmcfreely2858
@royrodgersmcfreely2858 2 ай бұрын
Hey I got a great idea... let's tell a bullshitstory to try and impress strangers for fake internet points!!!!
@johnmorton6675
@johnmorton6675 2 ай бұрын
I own several Hi-Point pistols and carbines. I polished the feed ramp and chamber which has eliminated the feed issues with various ammo types.
@0mikr0n
@0mikr0n 2 ай бұрын
There's something to be said for a company which sells the cheapest gun possible. Criminals choose the cheapest gun possible, it's difficult to clean so it jams like mad, and the crook dies when people defend themselves with better weapons. It's actually kinda genius. You WANT the crooks using poor guns, so poor guns MUST exist.
@MikeDCWeld
@MikeDCWeld 2 ай бұрын
Except that criminals aren't usually buying guns from retailers and it's not marketed towards the criminal element in any way whatsoever. Their target demographic is poor people living in high crime areas that can't afford higher quality firearms.
@michaelsaine
@michaelsaine 2 ай бұрын
@@MikeDCWeld to be fair, both are gunna be the market of the gun, even if its not getting bought on retail, from what the video said, alot of hi point where used in the 90's
@liammartinez1484
@liammartinez1484 2 ай бұрын
The reason they buy cheap is so they can dispose of the gun after a crime so they don’t get busted and have it traced to murders so that clean problem isn’t a huge deal
@Ren505nm
@Ren505nm 2 ай бұрын
Having more high points might be a good idea in case cops conficate one for evidence.🤔
@mobilegamersunite
@mobilegamersunite 2 ай бұрын
These are guns that are affordable and throw-away-able. So criminals can afford them at low street prices. Criminals also don't typically go to the shooting range or have any idea of how different ammo kinds affect guns like this. This is all great news for the rest of us. On a side note, you can find a BUL armory for 276 💰 ...mine has never jammed or had any problems...it also takes 16rd mags.
@C-V-Z
@C-V-Z 2 ай бұрын
The thing that drives me nuts about the design is that the trigger transfer mechanisms are held in place with the plastic grip side panel. Literally just a loose or stripped screw away from a non functioning firearm. Other than that its just a ghetto striker fired street makarov that's accurate for what it is and reasonably reliable when in good shape.
@chesspiece81
@chesspiece81 2 ай бұрын
I have never understood why Hi Point hasn't ever worked on milling the slide down to make it smaller, lighter, and more esthetically pleasing.
@RageUnchained
@RageUnchained 2 ай бұрын
Because it isn’t a delayed blow back. It’s a direct blow back which is why they are cheap, the slide is massive so that it stays locked up
@FastLaneLyfe
@FastLaneLyfe 2 ай бұрын
They make the slide large so that you will cheddar Bob yourself.
@junicohen7918
@junicohen7918 2 ай бұрын
Because you don't mess with success
@Microtonal_Cats
@Microtonal_Cats 7 күн бұрын
When I was buying a Hi Point one time from a sporting goods store, I asked the guy behind the counter "Are they reliable?" He said "I've never had one returned." Guy next to me said "...because they're always dropped in the parking lot after the first robbery."
@sazon860
@sazon860 2 ай бұрын
When I took my class for CWP the instructor had 2 rules, no guns with serials scratched off and no hi points
@ericfogle4965
@ericfogle4965 2 ай бұрын
I did laugh out loud at the “it’s not going to come out very easily” … it’s hilarious to think about
@richardpurdy7565
@richardpurdy7565 2 ай бұрын
Have a hi point 9mm carbine.10 yrs and hundreds of rounds never had a problem
@FastLaneLyfe
@FastLaneLyfe 2 ай бұрын
Apples 🍎 to oranges 🍊
@Mark_317
@Mark_317 16 күн бұрын
The highpoint filled the gap left in the market that the lorcin manufacturing company and the raven arms company left. Those pistols were sold new through pawnshops and they were cheaper than cheap, made mostly from zinc and unsafe.
@TheForeignNationalBornNatural
@TheForeignNationalBornNatural 2 ай бұрын
lmao that impala 3am comment earned you a subscriber sir. Excellent
@EducatedBlackMan
@EducatedBlackMan 2 ай бұрын
According to the FBI, the Glock 9mm is the number 1 gun used in homicides followed by the S&W and Sturn.
@zirc0nium977
@zirc0nium977 2 ай бұрын
That means nothing because several glocks are in 9mm and S&W and sturn arent even guns but brands that make guns as well as other things.
@mr.powell8817
@mr.powell8817 2 ай бұрын
Hey educated black man, you skipped firearms 101
@homeydontplaydat8387
@homeydontplaydat8387 2 ай бұрын
Seems your name is an oxymoron
@Jaredthe1st
@Jaredthe1st Ай бұрын
... Wtf is Sturn?
@zirc0nium977
@zirc0nium977 Ай бұрын
@@Jaredthe1st Ruger
@JBWorkshop90
@JBWorkshop90 2 ай бұрын
I am a gunsmith and FFL, these used to be the best gun for the money. There are better options in the 150-200 dollar range these days. My first handgun was actually a C9. I was much more into rifles when I was a young man. I still have that ol gal sitting in a gun case in my safe. Also I've had so many "Glock 40's" Brought in that were not Glock nor were they 40's that I've made a list LOL
@Stolas1777
@Stolas1777 2 ай бұрын
What are the better options in your opinion
@JBWorkshop90
@JBWorkshop90 2 ай бұрын
@@Stolas1777 I see used PSA daggers going for 200-250 I see Ruger lcps under 200 frequently Diamond back db9 Gen 4 can be found around 200 Same with the keltec p17
@ShiceSquad
@ShiceSquad 2 ай бұрын
Very level-headed, objective commentary with a new angle from a real authority. Very rare for this specific model of firearm. Thanks for the report!
@VityazRD
@VityazRD 2 ай бұрын
Bought a c9 from a pawnshop for $95. After transfer fees and tax, it would've been about $130. Owner dropped it to $100 even because he was so happy to finally have it out of his shop. I've turned it into an experiment to see how filthy i can get it at the range before it fails.
@kevincoad607
@kevincoad607 Ай бұрын
Results please!
@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987
@hachi-rokuperformancegroup3987 2 ай бұрын
My brother bought one over 20 years ago and has never cleaned it just to see how long it last and it runs anything you feed it. Neither one of us would carry it though
@chrisjones6002
@chrisjones6002 Ай бұрын
One thing Hi Point should get some credit for is they have taken steps to make it very easy to identify if one was used in a crime. They have some features that are distinctive when it comes to ballistic evidence. I think they made some changes when they realized that so many criminals were using them.
@JamesStine_Indy
@JamesStine_Indy Ай бұрын
I personally like and respect Hi-Point and as someone who has worked gun ranges as an RSO, I have seen too many times where mediocre shooters rock the C9 and JHP.'s because of the weight and less 'shock' from the recoil. Thanks for the video.
@paulis7319
@paulis7319 2 ай бұрын
I bought my Hi-Point C9 as my first carry gun when I knew nothing about guns except how to safely use them. It wasn't till I used it as part of my carry license class that my instructor told me about the history of it. I was like WTF, I have a gansta gun! Yay! lol You're absolutely right about the JHP. It hates those rounds. As for field stripping it, I've reused the same roll pin since I got it, and I know how to expand it does get too loose.
@michaelphipps4835
@michaelphipps4835 2 ай бұрын
Who remember “Davis “ guns….. this is where hi-point came from ……. Now that was a true piece of crap. At least hi-points are reliable.
@ThisShitDontFlush
@ThisShitDontFlush 2 ай бұрын
Who was ‘Beemiller’?
@cameronking3551
@cameronking3551 2 ай бұрын
Cobra I believe had the rights to Davis 380 design and was making them in the 2010s.Dont know if they are still made or not but Cobra sucks.
@michaelphipps4835
@michaelphipps4835 2 ай бұрын
@@cameronking3551 I believe you are right
@darkling54
@darkling54 2 ай бұрын
The pre-load problem can be solved by pinching the back of the extractor bar. Shouldnt do it but its an option. You could just plop a round in the mag rack it then put a new round in the mag but the spring tension from the mag can sometimes prevent the slide from going all the way back and chambering a new round. But that can happen with more expensive firearms as well.
@mightisright
@mightisright Ай бұрын
This is a great explanation. Thank you for this!
@rlic9206
@rlic9206 2 ай бұрын
Glock with a switch. Kills everything but what they're aiming for. Now that makes those people plain stupid! Let alone the prison time.
@mattw7557
@mattw7557 2 ай бұрын
They never get charged
@junkyard4999
@junkyard4999 Ай бұрын
Switch is a dumb term. It's called an auto sear
@JewdenPeterstien
@JewdenPeterstien 2 ай бұрын
They are great guns. They are reliable and simple blowback design. Accurate out of the box. Yeah, they only have 10rds but that enough for self defense situations. Multiple calibers, multiple skin jobs cheap. They're great. They are a modern Loricin or Raven Arms. The ring of fire. Zamak goodness! You don't cry if its confiscated during legal trials or stolen to be used for future legal trials, unlike a CZ Shadow or Python. They bees the workin man/thugs gat yo.
@SubBubz
@SubBubz 2 ай бұрын
They are horrible. Slide feels like it's made of pot metal, the barrel looks and feels no better (a barrel shouldn't have deep lines, should be smooth), has the worst sights on the market, they don't even weld their mags properly. Trigger is horrid. The ONLY good things about these is the price, but if I can buy a used canik for 250 why would I buy this?
@glennwhisler8678
@glennwhisler8678 2 ай бұрын
@@SubBubzthey weren’t made for YOU! They were made so that poor people could arm themselves, too!
@bwofficial1776
@bwofficial1776 2 ай бұрын
@@SubBubz High-Points are cheaper than even a used Canik and the company has a great warranty. If it breaks, they'll fix it. To many, that $100 difference between the Canik is important. There's no denying that it's horrible but it goes bang. Everyone has the right to armed self-defense.
@cameronking3551
@cameronking3551 2 ай бұрын
It's a piece of crap.Criminals don't even want these anymore or the ring of fire guns.
@JewdenPeterstien
@JewdenPeterstien 2 ай бұрын
@@cameronking3551 It's no Cadillac of gats my dearest homie. But we're you gonna get a heater wrapped in Benjamins yo? How bout hot pank glitter? Hella custom fo sho. But when ya got nothin' and the opps be sweatin you, dis bettah than nothin. Ya dig? (Indecernable hood hand signs).
@newshaman7251
@newshaman7251 2 ай бұрын
I like the Kel Tec P11. I restored an original 1995 model, despite it not needing restoration. I had a Hi Point C9, a friend of mine barely dropped it and the internals fell apart. Before that it always worked.
@jakedasnake138
@jakedasnake138 2 ай бұрын
was my very first pistol sold it after a year of having it a few years later I bought a hellcat and i love it
@megathe2136
@megathe2136 2 ай бұрын
The Ass Pistol 3000.
@luked2767
@luked2767 2 ай бұрын
I think glocks with switches and reliable extended mags or drums must cause alot of collateral damage as it's uncontrollable with such a high rate of fire. Most guns and ammo used by criminals are stolen and then people buying bulk and selling it to ex cons for a huge markup. I think one dangerous gang / rap trend is the Draco AK pistol, the micro Draco is stupid the mini had enough barrel length to aim but the standard 12" Draco is a Romanian AK import that's a semi auto stockless version of a rifle that quite a few militarys use, very reliable, easy to use, not picky with ammo. don't have to clean it mags are reliable and 7.62x39 out of a 12" barrel does not loose much velocity compared to a 16" full sized AK and unless you have plates it will pass and its s round thst can hunt dear within 250 yards or so. You can get a reliable double stack 9mm for 200 now an AR15 or AR15 pistol for 400.
@ogz7469
@ogz7469 9 күн бұрын
Can we bring up how big the ruger p series was though
@michaelsaine
@michaelsaine 2 ай бұрын
my step dad has a hi point becuse he needed cheap sef defence becuse very exspencive tools where stolen. we have fired a ton of rounds threw it on ranfe days as we have gotten a few more guns. it was 5 or more years later after he got it that i finaly got a punch set and we finaly took it apart to clean it it gets shot every EVERY so often
@georgezimmerman3334
@georgezimmerman3334 2 ай бұрын
Mine just wouldn't shoot white box.
@shadowwolf9503
@shadowwolf9503 2 ай бұрын
Hi Point recommends not using Winchester white box ammo in their C9.
@Fin.mint.
@Fin.mint. 2 ай бұрын
Speaking of guns, have you changed from the PDP? I know fellow officers who are switching back to Glocks as the PDP won't reset the trigger if pulled out if battery. Its rare contact shots are a thing, but they rather not take the chance.
@andrewprice1774
@andrewprice1774 2 ай бұрын
I had one in a 40 s&w and the weight and bulk actually helped tone down the snappiness and recoil of the 40!!! Ugly and cheap but it worked reliably !!
@stevewodell6183
@stevewodell6183 2 ай бұрын
It's easy to clean. The magazines are garbage and it doesn't feed well. It also loves to stovepipe. It's made to use once in awhile and not a weekend range toy...
@pozdrav423
@pozdrav423 2 ай бұрын
The people talking down on hipoint never had to carry a Jennings
@thischannelisbackon5679
@thischannelisbackon5679 2 ай бұрын
HAD TO???
@FastLaneLyfe
@FastLaneLyfe 2 ай бұрын
Only you carry cheap guns.
@thaistomp
@thaistomp 2 ай бұрын
@@FastLaneLyferespect the hi point 😎
@pozdrav423
@pozdrav423 2 ай бұрын
@@FastLaneLyfe in Chicago you carry what ever is around 😂
@TheBeefSlayer
@TheBeefSlayer 2 ай бұрын
I always figured the project loads with lots of different ammo in one mag is just what ever ammo is laying around. Parts of mag dumps left over. Rounds from drive by that didn’t get fired. Rounds laying in the change bowl. Just normal life scenarios of many people. Also it could make it difficult to track down a lot number on the ammo and see when it was purchased. Or at times it could be someone wanting you to think multiple shooters.
@wastedtalentartwerk
@wastedtalentartwerk Ай бұрын
Where I was in the 90’s, they used The Hi Point and the Lorcin 380.
@Ender-bg2hx
@Ender-bg2hx 2 ай бұрын
The yeet cannon
@dankdaze42069
@dankdaze42069 2 ай бұрын
I think it's almost silly one of the best firearms It's a bang for your buck...
@jlastre
@jlastre 9 күн бұрын
Different types of ammunition? Back in the late 80s found firearms with different calibers in them. They would wrap tape around the case to make it fit.
@drogers_3
@drogers_3 Ай бұрын
This is one of the best perspectives on these guns I've ever heard, especially with the ghetto carry methods and failure stories! Great video.
@drogers_3
@drogers_3 Ай бұрын
Chris Bartocci also has a good video on these guns as a forensics firearm examiner
@VrILLR
@VrILLR 2 ай бұрын
14% of the populations favorite firearm.
@EngiNeeeeeeeeer-qu3gp
@EngiNeeeeeeeeer-qu3gp 2 ай бұрын
@donnyfever3374 You, are gay.
@LunchBoxxin
@LunchBoxxin 2 ай бұрын
@donnyfever3374 Lol, this has to be the most cringe thing I have seen all week. Congrats.
@MrDStan
@MrDStan 2 ай бұрын
Pretty stupid comment... I'm not a member of the "14%" demographic, and I have a couple of Hi-Point pistols, along with other firearms from various manufacturers. . . Anyways, criminals of all colors are buying mostly stolen firearms on the streets, probably not too concerned with make and caliber. Have you ever thought that people, not criminals, regular people who aren't wealthy, might need a firearm for self-defense? That's Hi-Point's main customer base... not the rich dude who will only carry a Kimber with a custom trigger job. Don't be such a snob!
@thelongnosehunter
@thelongnosehunter 2 ай бұрын
@donnyfever3374 😂Way to keep the stereotype strong...
@BrokeBoy912
@BrokeBoy912 2 ай бұрын
Ive taken mine apart multiple times never needed a new roll pin, shut up with that nonsense.
@gk5891
@gk5891 Ай бұрын
Remington 115 JHP (The old school stuff with a 124 FMJ like ogive). It seems to feed in everything. It won't expand reliably under 3.5" though.
@jamestuccillo
@jamestuccillo 2 ай бұрын
LMFAO Like if you'd rather trust your life to a paintball gun than this thing!
@357_SWAGNUM_MAGA_X
@357_SWAGNUM_MAGA_X 2 ай бұрын
But it's a certified hood classic 😎 👌
@bwofficial1776
@bwofficial1776 2 ай бұрын
I'd rather have the High-Point.
@analogueoverdigital929
@analogueoverdigital929 2 ай бұрын
Yeah 2 likes...I'm taking the hi point as well😂😂
@stewartmcpherson5943
@stewartmcpherson5943 19 күн бұрын
Ive never had a hi point, but know several people that have the, some love them some hate them. Just like the taurus g2s i carry, have a little over 500 rounds through that and its never had any issues.
@vapeking466
@vapeking466 15 күн бұрын
Whats the best or most powerful non lethal pistol?
@ruckas3435
@ruckas3435 15 күн бұрын
That doesn't exist lmao they make pepper balls though
@ZombieNausea
@ZombieNausea 2 ай бұрын
is that hollow a .45?
@keithmoore5306
@keithmoore5306 2 ай бұрын
i know a CCW instructor that carries one as his daily piece!! and it's just like any other no frills automatic a throat and polish job on the feed ramp takes care of feeding issues!!!
@prunoRecipes
@prunoRecipes 2 ай бұрын
Good info, like the documentary style. Pruno
@artpoirot9574
@artpoirot9574 2 ай бұрын
I've only owned two pistols: Hi point c380 and a 1911 colt 380 My hi point jammed the first time I fired it and never again after that.. Not even once, and I never cleaned it lol My colt 380 jammed a handful of times although it was also mostly reliable
@diesellane6470
@diesellane6470 2 ай бұрын
I’ve never had a gun, mainly due to the weight “recoil management” of the slide, feel so much like a nail gun with how hard it flips that slide back in your hand and how sluggish it chambers thanks to striker fire. If you want a gun that will shoot, if it somehow chambers without jamming, then this is it.
@ForestTekkenVideos
@ForestTekkenVideos 2 ай бұрын
I learned so much thanks!
@QEsposito510
@QEsposito510 18 күн бұрын
Hi-Point as a company was really at the right place, right time. The panic over Saturday Night Specials in the 70s and 80s wiped out a lot of cheap gats, especially during the “ring of fire” scandal. The court of public opinion basically cleared the market for a new Saturday Night Special, and once the public moved to another issue, they left Hi-Point to do whatever they want.
@Brave_Heart333
@Brave_Heart333 Ай бұрын
My Hipoint never-ever fails, it’s just too darn heavy. It’s also way more durable, mine took a fall from the top of my fridge onto the tile below, didn’t put a scratch on it, the tile though didn’t make it.
@Philabad4urhealphia-hr3sh
@Philabad4urhealphia-hr3sh Ай бұрын
High point or P80?
@garryrice1954
@garryrice1954 Ай бұрын
Anyone ever shoot Underwood Xtreme Defender through a C9? Does it cycle?
@coldandaloof7166
@coldandaloof7166 Күн бұрын
As a LEO in Ohio I have seized 3 of these in my career. 1 from a felon who ditched it when fleeing, 1 from a traffic stop where the guy had thrown it on the dash and it ended up being stolen, 1 from a successful suicide.
@andrewhondo
@andrewhondo 2 ай бұрын
its the wonderful jam o matic i had one jam a lot but accurate but bulky and heavy and a nightmare to carry with out it pulling your pants down
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