I see what you are saying but it's not. It'd be more like saying your mate could beat Ronnie at pool.

Exactly

On the cobbles, I wouldn't be surprised

@@Kev80ification wot do ya mean bro

@@mikey-boy2519 I wouldn't be surprised I Lenny beat them in a street fight. He was vicious. In the ring they would have battered him but on the cobbles, I'm not sure

John Haigh sounds like he only got 1 lung

@@cousinleigh1470 😁

@@leonardpiercy9837 "Lesser men than Lenny"? Who? Do you know that little about boxing (and fighting, in general) to believe Lenny at his best could last a minute with Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, Danny Williams or even Kevin McBride? Those were all PROFESSIONAL boxers! As poor as McBride was in the ring, he'd still have battered Lenny or any of those unlicensed fighters anywhere. Different skillset and experience, can't be compared.

@@leonardpiercy9837 How did Lenny get on against Cliff Field and Johnny Waldron? Do tell... 😉

@@leonardpiercy9837 I can imagine your mother when you get this attitude at home "Leonarrrrd! Off to ya room, go 🚶‍♂️ on"

I agree. Tyson would have killed him. It wouldn't even be close.

@@leonardpiercy9837 you calling Lennox lewis & Holyfield a clown 🤡 have a look in the mirror 🪞 ffs 🤦‍♂️….. if that’s is what you actually think 🤔

Brilliant 😅 ps GGMU

Loolll ty..like that samsung screensaver

Mr Warren supports the arse nail so bubbles are banned.

Fish eyes Frank would fit right in

Lmao !!!

Fish eyes feels right at home under the water

😂😂

That's a bollocks excuse. Product of a given environment doesn't mean you can't choose to be better.

@@iiwii8622 correct, however it does affect some people more than others. he had a terrible youth. plus lenny did not go around asking for sympathy.

street fighting is not boxing

Just like Kimbo Slice took the UFC by storm, right?

Kimbo slice is and was only useless

Judgement day you do know he’s not with us anymore?

In a street fight in his prime probably would have he was an animal

I didnt knoe that fact . Well said , mayhe was a bully i thought , but no one said it when he was around 🤷‍♂️

Ronnie Pickering?

@@user-ep6nv6nv1k Nick Cotton?

Overrated maybe as a boxer but not a street fighter, know your stuff before you post!

@@colinwilson4218 make me laugh these clowns saying stuff like that. Lenny out the ring was an animal. Simple as. In tbe ring to street fighting Is completely different.

@@colinwilson4218 you know then?

@Leonardo Cesana most people around that time, that lived near him said he was massive bully. He had no time for straight common man 9 to 5

😂😂🙌🙌

Oi neva lost a fight on the cobbles.... haha what a fat idiot. Warrens right, he was a bully n piece of shit

You couldn’t be a professional boxer if you had a criminal record. McLean would have been a professional you can be sure of that

@@davidpowell9713 that was never the case. Plenty of pros had criminal records.

I recently listened to his book on audible, great book. It didn't cover any losses. Not one on the streets, nor in the ring. Scrolling through youtube comments i learned he lost SEVERAL times.

Lenny was a criminal would not get a licence

Zodius why how u know this what did he use to say/do to her?

@@zodius9772 fully explains why she turned out modifying everything about her... that need to be accepted due to years of bullying.

Zodius o right could be bullshit tho I spose

Zodius Jodie Marsh? The bird with a nose like a builders elbow! That Jodie Marsh?

delboy Trotter You wish! She’d never have it with you.

Just like every fighter? Move on

@@maxpaws3977 how do you know ?? Did you follow him around ??

@@maxpaws3977 its all a myth.

@@maxpaws3977 he was a big bully boy who had a fake record.

@@maxpaws3977 I think he lost at least 4.

What fantasy are you talking about? Even in Bartley s book he says he and McLean never met

The streaker died from a choke hold applied to him by the police later on that night. Proven in court by a medical expert.

Clueless

Piffle. The police were found guilty of killing the flasher after Lenny threw him out. McLean and Gorman never fought and I talked to Peter Fury about it. So you're talking shite I'm afraid

lol

Now you’ve done it jim has fixed it for youuu

'Sir' jimmy to you

U14 Champion three years running

That's funny lol

Hahaha!

Is there such a thing as a new Nokia?

@@boxing they remade the 3010

Potato

Cawley you half a spud you got put into your place 👌🏻😂😂you fake irish bastard!

@@boxing touche👍

😂😂😂

😅😅

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LOL

When Lenny’s book came out and he became a big name everyone was talking about him, my dad told me about when cliff Fields beat him easy, Cliff also beat Roy shaw twice.

Really. John joe. What did or who did you steal from today

I heard about this aswel but as you said , it certainly wasn’t mentioned in his book . Wish I could find footage of them fights

@@TheJimbodini Johnny Waldron did him twice also and Kevin Paddock got him on points, he was paid to not knock him out. Different levels.

Sykes would have smashed him up too without breaking a sweat.

Ronnie who ?

The fat piece of shit from Bransholme!😂🤣

@Marky bring it on Chav!😆😉

@Marky reggae, rap man! He got filled in by a young kid outside a pub in Bransholme 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

@Marky I was probably having a bad day mate!😆👍

Cheggers plays pop

Your right, he does look like a corpse!!!

Mr Warren is a much better promoter

He was exactly like Robin Hood exacts he stole from rich and gave to himself

Looks like he should be wearing a bra

smoking joe Roy shaw was a bully to mate

They were all bullies when you read their books they make out they were saints they were just nasty young thugs in their day Down my way there’s a guy from Merthyr by the name of Malcolm price he’s got a book out making out he was a good guy but in reality he was a bully

mikefranky my old man was from Merthyr and he mentioned Malcolm Price and he reckons he was a massive bully also.. Been to Merthyr to visit my Nan when I was 17, not a nice place at all

@@mikefranky i used to spar with his son over dowlais nice fella.. heard pricey was a bit of a piss head and a bully people like that use intimidation.better off going off heavy on them works everytime

All the people like them that bang on about how much they hate bullies are bullies. They see it in themselves and try distance from it.

lenny lost to cliff fields twice, johnny waldron twice, an ancient roy shaw, and a light heavy from portsmouth called kevin paddock

Lies

@@stevet6838 err no. 100% fact. lies are what lenny told when he said he was shot outside a club. he was shot by a sparring partner he took liberties with. read judas pig.

@@stevet6838 Truth

@@stevebb2915 yeah mate bang right

.... and yet you wouldn't step in the ring with either of them, would you? They were who they were because they won the vast majority of fights they had, they were better than the vast majority of men.... how do they NOT deserve their reputations exactly? Because they didn't do it in a mainstream, regulated way on your television screen? Because they didn't hype their fights up for months/years on end getting their sport confused with WWE for maximum fan anticipation? Do professional boxers get shipped in from another planet or something and just happen to know how to sell themselves while you blissfully ignore the multi-million dollar/pound corporate machines behind them who know how to toy with your emotions when it comes to hype?

@@darthpepe2994 you’ve gone off on a tangent about professional boxing and wrestling, two things I don’t watch simply because one is corrupt and the other is fake. I imagine both of them would have done well in wrestling because neither of them would have made it as pro boxers. Lenny and Roy were tough men, I have no doubt of that. They were men who didn’t give a shit in certain situations but they did care about who they faced on the street, and don’t believe they were anything more than pub brawlers. Lenny wasn’t a professional fighter in any way. That was proven when he went in the ring with professional fighters and got hammered. Cliff fields knocked him out twice, he got KO’d by George “pappy” Langley, lost to Shaw and it’s well known he refused fights with Bartley Gorman and Lew Yates. I could reel off more names that beat Lenny but what’s the point. I actually think Lenny would have beaten Gorman simply through size alone. He was double the size of him but Lew Yates would have destroyed Lenny. Lew was a professional standard heavyweight, McLean wasn’t. And let’s not forget Jonny Waldron who smashed Lenny to bits twice. Their reputations got blown right out of proportion in the 70’s because of the London gangster scene at that time. The Krays had put that scene into the celebrity limelight in the 60’s and everyone grasped it with both hands. Joey Pile saw a way of making serious money by staging fights (something the travelling community had been doing for years) and the public lapped it up. The 70,s and 80’s were ablaze with stories of bare knuckle fights in every town and city in the country but two names kept cropping up simply because it was London. I even saw people comparing Lenny to Mike Tyson and asking the question “A prime Lenny vs a prime Tyson 🤦🏻‍♂️😂😂😂 how delusional people can get. McLean and Shaw were nothing more than two debt collecting hard men who were made out to be supermen. Who would have gone unheard of if it wasn’t for Joey Pile and his money making schemes and the public blowing their reputations right out of proportion.

WELL SAID

@@darthpepe2994 your corny as fuck

@@ifiwas195 Very well said.

I fully agree with you, I'm a former pro MMA fighter and the hardest most dangerous guys I ever met looked like nothing and certainly didn't act hard because they didn't need to, I remember once a doorman at a fight venue was being a prick "suprise suprise" and wouldn't let this fighter in, the doorman was a big guy and was trying to intimidate him which didn't work at all and when he tried to put hands on him he was on the floor in a flash with his elbow almost being broken, the doorman was screaming like a little bitch it was hilarious, so the old saying is true never judge a book by its cover

He was a roid head

Totally agree Sam. Totally different being a big strong hard man in the local pub than being a professional boxer. Think he had 15 fights with gloves on and lost 5 of them, and that was not even to top British heavyweight fighters. Saying that i would have hated to have a street fight with the man. And yes he led an interesting life and I have read all the books. Hard man yes, but even local area top boxer, no.

@@pauljenkins3435 I knew him I am from Hoxton as is all my family.

@@samrowbotham8914 am just amazed at how many people think any big tough local hard man could take on and beat a professional boxer. In a street fight it may be different.

@@pauljenkins3435 Then they get hit by a pro fighter.

Celtic Spirit “also bad with money” like 99% of the UK then bruv hahaha

@@i_know_youre_right_but correct. Finance is the one thing they don't teach in schools. If people understood finance they would understand debt. Debt is how 1st world governments control the masses. But Lenny was particularly bad. he was short sighted. He would take a 20k advance on a book or film and run off with the money and just knock them. But the book or film would have made him 40k. That sort of bad with money.

@C Klan McLean said in his years of being a doorman, he had thousands of fights, sounds rite.

@@celticspirit2890 and how do you know

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Apparently if he took a shine to you it was a really good bloke to know we had a lad that used to work in a place that knew him very well and he was a sort of guy that would get picked on Lenny made sure that he didn't get picked he thought the world of Lenny pretty handy to have your own gorilla in toe lol

Class lol lol

They knew cliffy fields would knock them all into next week,,

Or Kevin paddock

I thought it was me going deaf

He’s fucking dead

@@jimtheburrito4080 Believe me mate, there's no way in a million years that Frank Warren was intimidated by Lenny.

Please tell me why he should be respected, the man is fucking dead!

@@calmingcrist4515 Don't worry about it Harry

@@thehomefront1905 The linguistic grammar and etymology of your words leaves me somewhat perplexed as my name isn't Harry

I don't think anyone is saying any different. In a boxing ring Mclean was average at best......its on the cobbles where he was a champ

McLean couldn't get a boxing license as he had convictions,he was unbeatable in an all in fight but not the best boxer

The majority of boxers would of beaten him under boxing rules. But bare knuckle anything goes he would of destroyed anyone.

@@matthewheseltine3018 Joe Bugner would have starched Lenny McClean within one punch

@@michaelmarron8441 😂😂😂

It was his stepdad mate

Thanks for clearing that up mate.

johnny waldron beat him twice, kevin paddock (a light heavy from southampton) KO'd him, cliff fields beat him twice and roy shaw once. Also, if you read judas pig, you realise his story about being shot outside a club was bullshit.he was shot in the arse by a sparring partner he took liberties with.

I know a bit about this too but good to read both the comments here , that Paul Sykes was a real case ha ha

Barry Dalton it was who shot him. Lenny couldn't do anything about it, he had to just accept it. Can't remember what they called him in Judas Pig and Lenny gives him a different name. But in real life it was Barry Dalton.

Insightful.

Our paths are set from childhood, and that's were so much damage can be done. as parents we have to be so careful and to show them the right path

Exactly.

Crazy the size difference and Roy Shaw was in his 40s Lenny in his 20s twice his size and Roy still beat him but there was other guys like Paul Sykes who before he was a mess with alcohol and had spent his prime years in prison.. he used to spar Joe Frazier and Joe Frazier said he was the only guy when he was in the UK that could give him a good spar and hurt Joe with his left hook.. Joe Frazier is on record it's on KZfaq talking about Paul Sykes and saying he's going to be a force in the heavyweight division the guy that beat Ali that's legit praise there.. and Roy Shaw said he wouldn't have fought Paul Sykes he was to big and to strong and a technical boxer.. Roy Shaw was a middleweight.. but Sykes ended up spending most of his life in prison and died a alcoholic.. and there was men more dangerous than him.. can't remember the guy's name but he beat Lenny McLean twice was a natural heavyweight Shaw also said he wouldn't have fought him he was to big.. he sparked Lenny out with a jab I'm sure.. and rumour has it he was supposed to throw that fight but hit Lenny with a jab flush knocked him out

@@carson3811 very interesting comment, but mine was about people calling Lenny a bully which I felt deserved some retrospect

Alot of people call men bullys wen they dont mind give out a slap the ones that say it are just gutless

Paul Sykes was some character!

@@ultraextreme8228 yeah i know lol.......it's sharks

@@drpepper4020 Sharks? You punch em on the bloody ear 'ole. Its the only language they understand.

@@JonSmith-cx7gr I had these pumps on when a did it

Was that be the same Paul Sykes turned his back on Gardener in the middle of a pro boxing match (don't usually criticise boxers its a tough game at any level but that degree of cowardice was the worst l have ever seen)and used to do work for Jimmy Savile and was alledged to be a prison bummer now deceased. E were right ard though ee by bum.

The fights he lost were proper boxing matches. Not underground

@@stevenspenadel5108 No, the fights he lost were unlicensed. They were in a boxing ring under those rules, but were not sanctioned. I'm not counting any that he may have lost "on the cobbles", only in the unlicensed ring.

@whybother now You have a choice. It's f*cking tough, but eventually (it might take days or it could last a decade) a person decides they've had enough. You either fight back or you leave and report the perpetrator to the necessary authority (whoever that may be). Anything else?

@@TheTruth-pl3mk 🤡

What do you mean allowed himself to be bullied? what was he supposed to do, give lenny a slap? if lenny decides to bully someone half his size they have no choice .

A managed. 20

Pretty sure Roy was older then 40 must keep u fit tearing off prison roofs. Roy loved a prison riot god bless him

He lived in lupset...every fucker was scared of him according to my uncle Tommy.. Guy would go into any pub & offer to fight the hardest bastard in there.. Lol.

@@jackdempsy8929 he was just a working man, same type of man the country sent to war.

Having watched that documentary on him, not a nice guy, a bully & became an alcoholic once his boxing career failed. His two sons ended up inside with one doing time for murder.

I thought it was shit. Sorry I had to put it down

I wouldn't go as far as to say that but they all Romance that's life when really at times it's pretty shity

​@@vmax1399absolutely right. Imagine coming around in a hospital bed as you cough up chunks of your former friends throat whom you maimed and nearly murdered in a booze-soaked rage... And yet these figures are venerated by some.

no, a lion kills because it has to or it will starve and die! not remotely the same as knocking the shit out of someone for a few quid.

@@garymeacham7353 wow I must have been pissed wrighting that can't remember. I think my point was your gonna get called a bully regardless because he has probably punched more people than he remembers on th doors, we've all seen it, doormen are some of the biggest wankers on earth . Good day