Of course, all these Mommy & Daddy Dearest books was only published after the principal carrier passed away, so, not only was there no proof any type of abuse took place, recall, books are wrote to make money, especially gossip books.

Yes. The mother looking the other way astounds and disgusts me. If I’d been her….That man would go MISSING.

@@sphinxrising1129 I agree that a lot of topics (that some seem to take as facts) - came to light well after the trial and there validity does need to be questioned ... I am sure many involved wanted to present a different view but these do ( as you state) need to be taken with these facts in mind.

Sadly things were very very different in them days. It was very wrong of the mum not doing anything but back then they did for some reason

Sadly this was a very common occurrence and sickly it still is.

I'm so sorry that happened to you :c

Your mother is a piece of shit!!!! Sounds like the rest of the family isn’t too far behind, I’m sorry for what you have been through

My god so sorry

So very sorry for what you went through

I was molested by the same guy for years when I was a kid and don't need therapy and have no ptsd... unless the man violently beat you or did sadistic things to you I don't see how you have ptsd.

Her ex-husband hanged himself a year later

And then he throws her down the stairs

Absolutely, she didn't deserve to be hanged.

Her actions were proper. The man was a brute.

I would've done the same as her

I’m not surprised either bc women are really unpredictable and not in control of their emotions and actions. They are victims unless we protect them.

EXACTLY!!!!! And plus she confessed to it. Thus they could have given her a plea bargain (that's how we do it in the US)... Plus all the abuse he inflicted on her caused her mental anxiety caused her to react in this fashion...

No Crime of Passion in the Uk - and No Plea Bargaining in the UK either..... And when you read the court transcript Ruth did not seem to wish to paint David in a bad light.

@@WittyOriginalUsername pre meditated cold blooded murder plain and simple

Anybody feel "passionate" about you? Understandably, they might want to kill you. No biggie!

How is letting her grow old behind bars more humane?

There was always two guards on watch with a condemned prisoner during the time before an execution not just the night before

​@@jonldnshe didn't say there was two, only that her aunt sat with her

@@despicabledavidshort3806 and I was only saying what the rules were …..

Oh my !

interesting.@@jonldn

I remember hearing that to get that blonde hair they used a mixture of actual bleach and ammonia. 😲 I don't believe many women who did that lived very long anyway.

The Phineas Gage episode is really good. There were quite a few facts that I hadn't heard of before seeing it.

Eyo

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What else can it mean? American English is awful, does it have a stupid meaning amongst the stupid?

Ruth's former husband hanged himself a year later... I think he wanted to follow her in real love, he used a hangman's noose

Even more shocking hanging Edith Thompson in 1923.

@Greta Svenson what does that have to do with anything?

@Greta Svenson Yes, I agree in both points 😎 Ruth's former husband and also my ex-husband hung with short drop, I think both guys still had some fun at the gallows, not a dead instantly like her 😆😆

@@sigridbohne George Ellis committed suicide two years after Ruth's Death - and it's sad to see anyone taking pleasure in how people died.

@@David_Robert I am doing alright, little sleepy, thanks for asking.

@@David_Robert I am an Australian, born in Victoria now in NSW.

@@David_Robert Nope, I am not.

Hi I am from NSW too, are you single?

I agree with you ... Ruth Ellis was quite a woman, it seems, In an interview she says she prefers capital punishment. Ruth Ellis was a good defendant. She didn't lie about her actions. She didn't shirk taking responsibility. In this way, the judge could unequivocally hand down her death sentence. She didn't drag out the punishment. After the objection deadlines were met the hanging could be carried out

@Kerrie Wilson wow! Thank you for sharing that. That's terribly sad 😔

@Kerrie Wilson your comment is phrased as though Martin is living - could you not maybe attempt to contact him using genealogy resources? Thanks for commenting with your personal connection

Good casting! I'll look for it

Yes it was a really good film.

So fvcking what? Life is full of stories like that.

Bernard , that's a sad story that happened often. Such a shame .

She was probably too embarresed to talk about it, as she should have been - so I'll give her credit for taking responsibility for her own personal actions/decisions.

@@sunnyjim1355 What on earth do you think was embarrassing about that story!? Troll.

@@Celisar1 What she'd done to get dumped, I'd imagine.

Not when you (in some cases) eat better, never have to pay a household bill and, by proxy, your victim's family is paying for your upkeep 😡 For some, it's better than life outside. I don't believe that someone who commits cold blooded murder should be kept alive at the expense of tax payers money. I totally disagree with the notion that people who commit murder have mental health issues as there are many hundreds of thousands who suffer from mental ill health who DO NOT KILL. There are many cases where the killer was just plain evil. Ruth was different, abused since puberty by her own father and the mother just looked the other way? Clearly pushed in the wrong direction but, at the same time, knew exactly what she was doing so, punishment deserved.

There's a reason criminals in first world countries agree to the "lesser punishment of life in prison". Because it's rarely ever truly life in prison, and they can have a spread of benefits that good, kind people who never committed crimes in their lives may never see. Like. You know. Shelter. Healthcare.

@@janloughran1503 Capital punishment costs the taxpayers a ton of money too. Even more I reckon with the endless appeals process and special segregated housing on death row. It can be decades of extra court hearings and extra guard hours being billed to us before the actual execution.

@@MakerInMotion And this question really shouldn't be about money in the first place, should it? There have been countless cases that had seemed completely airtight, but it turned out that the person was innocent.

@@JuMiKu Yeah. The important thing is that they never get the opportunity to commit more crimes. Execution and life sentence both do that. Although with cases where guilt is not in doubt like the Aurora movie theater shooter (he's never denied he did it) I wish they could just take the guy out back and shoot him in the head.

The poor girl found death a relief than the hell she faced on earth.

Nobody deserves the upbringing she had but she if she'd only shot the once she might've got jail time instead. She knew what she was doing and didn't try to deny it. It was her only way out of her messed up life and she was not going to go quietly.

it certainly is.

Yes she did. She took someones life deliberately. Stalked them, waited, planned and walked up to them in pure rage and shot them over and over again. Not someone in fear of their abuser. She was not abused by him.

​@@hazelhadley-britt6396he caused her to miscarry! That's definitely abuse and warrants revenge.

@@andreaplavkova1037 nope

He bad past, however awful they might be, doesn't forgive her sins and toxicity. She got what she deserved for committing 1st degree murder. Y'all really like these sob stories and defending monsters

@@user-sz2px8pv3f So you agree with wife beating/girlfriend beating ?..He got what he deserved but Ruth should not have been hung after suffering at his hands .Yes she deserved punishing, but after suffering at the hands of men all her life I do not believe the hanging was appropriate. I'm a believer in the death penalty as our UK court /penal system is far too lenient. If a man wants to beat and bully his weaker partner he deserves to be killed .Karma comes to mind and he got that ..Good on Ruth and shame on the judge for passing that sentence on her. ps...Sob stories !!! f==k u--- cretin.

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@@user-sz2px8pv3f She was no monster.

@@nicolad8822 wtf ?

The argument's of whether the death penalty is a good idea and if our (in my case American) justice systems use it correctly are very much separate issues that too often get thrown in as the same argument. No the death penalty should not be used in any case that there is any sort of doubt, but YES there are monsters out there that society is better off ending their continuing danger and existence, that we know for unrefutable fact are guilty. Does the system need to change? Yes. Does state execution have a place in that system? Yes.

.... and the likes of Ruth Ellis i.e. cold-blooded murderers.

I agree

​@@Omniversee I don't know.I study history & do archaeology.Many of the death punishments during the centuries,were more than vile.But it didn't seem to stop murders & abuse etc.Perhaps if one was so poor,it was a risk worth taking for a chance of a square meal or some money in your scrip.I don't know.Hoomans are a sad species.

My husband is a forensic psychologist in several prisons and has met hundreds if not thousands of criminals over the years all at different points in their sentences. He is yet to meet one who is reformed.

So blood lust?

@@C-Rex1 I have not the pleasure of understanding you. Are you saying that I exhibit blood lust, or that I could more easily summarize my stand by saying I only favor DP in cases of blood lust?

Explanation please. What exact crimes are worse than murder?

​@@johnvanzyl2960interfering with kids

Horse manure! maybe???? the same but not worse.

If the people committing hideous crimes had a conscience, then sure, keeping them alive to relive their guilt would be a good punishment. But, you lack understanding to think they do. It takes a complete lack of conscience to commit most of these crimes and time heals all wounds - including the pain you cause yourself when you hurt others (if you feel it at all). Capital punishment can be a deterrent for reasonable people, but why should we support people who make our society worse for the rest of their lives? Some lives aren't worth keeping around after they have done certain hideous things. Take serial child molesters, and violent rapists. Why is it worth burdening good people with their upkeep? That's what prison does. We need to get rid of the worst dregs of society, and do what we can to rehabilitate the rest.

as an american taxpayer , i am all for CAPITOL PUNISHMENT . there is no second chance for the victim of murder. we have out of control criminals that MUST PAY THE PRICE . , NOT LONG COSTLY PRISON TIME , DEATH THE FINAL DETERRENT...

@@rpmzing7712 The death penalty doesn't deterr anything but you could make a case for the citizens not wanting to pay for the lives of such monsters in prison. However the legal system should be close to perfect for the death penalty to be applied so that it can be used only for those whose guilt is proved without doubt. Are you confident that the justice system with all its issues isn't going to punish with death someone who is actually innocent? It has happened many times in the past all over the world.

I don't consider it a deterrent, I consider it a method of getting rid of humans who will do nothing but cause pain for others, it's removing a problem. There are absolutely people that don't need to be on this planet, but this woman was not one of them. This woman was abused horrendously for years with no help, execution should be saved for the worst of the worst- like pedos who act on their "desires". You can never know for sure if someone is guilty or innocent, and it should come down to whats better for society as a whole.

Disagree sadly the capital sentance is the only answer for some crimes not all people are capable of feeling guilt and remorse

Why shuld we give those monsters an easy out anyway? Why lower ourselves to premeditated revenge killing even for them?

Well put!

Lol lets see your plans to make everyone not fucked up good luck its impossible

We could but people these days are ruthless. Like we should have a Extange program. Where we send our "prisoners" to a 3world place where they serve xo amount of time but like yeh bet they'd appreciate America and have remorse. You know. Not these repeat offenders

@@Lola-lh5kl Please be a Poe.

Beautifully articulated. I applaud you.

Absolutely. Cussens also chose her first solicitor, Bickford. In return for Ruth's not implicating Cussens as an accessory to murder, which he was, Cussens would look after Ruth's son after her execution. When she realised that Cussens was unlikely to fulfill this deal, he was hot footing it off to Australia instead, Ruth sacked Cussens solicitor and got Mischon instead. She confessed Cussens part in the murder and Mischon tried to get a stay of execution.

@@David_Robert get lost you scammer!

... yes, but under your reasoning the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 would have been executed. They. Were. Innocent!

Even if there was 100% perfect proof for every case it would still be wrong. What kind of society lowers itself to premeditated revenge killing?

@@mycosys I agree with you. I'm not in favor of the death penalty at all. But so many people subscribe to the "eye for an eye" thing. And what I said in my original post is directed towards them. We may be killing people who committed no crime, and that shouldn't be acceptable to anyone.

In the case of someone caught "red handed", freely admits to (and almost brags about) committing murder then that person has no moral compass and there is nothing to study. There is only one punishment for that and that is death. Life in jail is no longer the punishment it used to be but even then, people still killed. Ruth knew what the punishment would be and she didn't even try to evade it. That was someone who knew she'd not be dealing with her messed up life much longer.

Well said. Frankly there's a laundry list of reasons to oppose the death penalty. Also strikes me as a pretty massive red flag when people get all gung-ho for the death penalty.

@@janloughran1503 People driven by vengeance to torture and murder like you are just sick.

As the hangman said: he didn’t deter a single murder by hanging anyone. Obviously nothing will deter murder as humans have being committing murder since their beginnings.

@@judycasley108 it may not deter them, but it certainly stops them doing it again.

Agree, serial killers and add family annihilators (which I guess counts as serial killing)

Yeah, weird itsn't it that it's women who are particularly infatuated with 'true crime' stories?

I find it more unnerving to provide, for example, a proven child murderer (the actual barbarian) tax-funded room and board while he/she spends 30 years filing appeals, getting fan mail, conjugal visits, married, having children, etc. I don't call that civilized, nor does this form of "mercy" encourage civilized behavior, any more than the death penalty deters homicide. We're animals at heart, and this is simply justice. Get rid of him. He earned it.

@@jodi2847 What about all those, who didn't, but still got killed, because the system fucked up? 'Get rid' of the people, who made mistakes or didn't have the technology, yet?

@@jodi2847 That you view any life as so little worth, that you are driven by revenge to premeditated torture and killing - this doesnt make you a good person

@@mycosys and those in jail for torturing, killing, raping etc because they want to and enjoy it, not just to adults but children also? they aren't good people, do they deserve your pity, when it happens to someone you love ask yourself that question , where was their compassion when they harmed others , people can be downright evil , WHY you'd defend that is mind-boggling, doesn't make YOU a good person either, have compassion for the ones left behind and the victims NOT the scumbags who don't care.

@@mycosys I suspect you would have a different view if someone close to you was killed.

Great idea! I’d love that, too!

Yeah me too!

Me too!

he should do Denbigh Asylum in Waless

Agreed!

@@David_Robert Doing well,you also?

Or those people could just spend the rest of their lives in jail. Nobody is saying we should rehabilitate murderers.

I agree with all that except with David Ruth had a chance to avoid things going too far this time, she had a decent man Desmond who loved her would have Married her and gave her a good life but she wouldn’t let David go even though it should have been obvious that Desmond was best for her, she was obsessed with David and got pregnant by him when she should have known better by then and her killing David wasn’t just about him she was shooting at all the men who abused which David wasn’t part of.

She didn’t stand up for herself she intended to kill him that night. She was driving to where she thought he was with a gun (then saw him otw). Waited for him to come out & murdered him. This was more if I can’t have you no one will.

This is why as a women I decided to die single and alone.

@@equarg lol

Except this time it’s the other way around due to feminism - women are the ones that don’t get the blame and men are the ones who do

assisted suicide is humane. its an injection and you go to sleep with mac pain relief and feel nothing. Suicide by hanging is horrific. unfortunately someone i lived with in a halfhouse hanged themselves. That could never be assisted suicide, or even close to, it's agony and no family or friend would ever let their loved one get assisted suicide by... hanging. I guess the difference is hanging is brutal, it really is, and nobody would ever want that for their loved one, as it's inhumane, but assisted suicide is done peacefully. So i do see a distinction between someone whos sent to execution on the orders of the state and gave up any will and hope for life by that point, and someone whos very ill and has assisted suicide peacefully and with the family and the individuals consent. you even have to get psych evals before assisted suicide is accepted because it can't be used for suicidal people who are not suffering from horrific pain/illness and peacefully and happily want to end it. suicidal feelings are the stark opposite of that and the grenade it blows off after for the loved ones is insane in contrast to assisted suicide. Just my two cents :)

Thank you, Sarah! It's really appreciated 🙏🙇

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