In the year 2021, high above Macross Island in the South Pacific, a phenomenal event occurred in the skies that would forever alter the course of human history. Harmony Gold, Tatsunoko Productions, Big West, and Studio Nue set aside their differences and did the right thing for once.

Looks around shifty eyed........ Um we actually did a decade ago. You don't think we pay $1,000 dollars for a hammer do you lol.

@@GRIGGINS1 Paid Billions to de-commision Area 51 in the early 90's only to have it re-activated 4 years later with even more Billions of tax payer money.

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Didn't we reconstruct and launch the SDF-1 back in 1999? I heard it folded to Pluto but returned (conventionally) to Earth a few later. Perhaps my memory is failing? It seams like there was some kind of world-wide military battle in the intervening years... was that something to do with Iraq? Sorry, I have only questions but no answers...

Yeah, THIS.

They managed to kill it for me. I will continue on my own personal crusade to steer any who will listen away from Robotech and Macross for the rest of my life. They cannot be rewarded for letting HG get away with it in the end. This is my personal 'han shot first' moment. HG are detestable and I sincerely wish them nothing but utter ruin.

@@christopherings7996 I can't really disagree with you on that...

@@christopherings7996 amen brother, let HG burned to hell and beyond...

Finally, they got to their senses...

Right. Now we just need to see some shows before I die

Sony and Marvel proved to the world that sharing produces a ton more money than either could generate solo. Power of friendship?

Seriously, when I saw the headline I started looking out my window for flying pigs.

No one expect it too...

Word!

They are an IP troll when it comes to that license. They do other business now unrelated to anything they did in the past.

Wold you believe that Harmony Gold almost had Dragon Ball instead of Funimation? Funimation was created just for Dragon Ball because nobody else wanted it on their plate and HG tried it out and didn't like where it was going with all the comedy.

Real estate scams.

My guess would be the demise of the Mech Warrior franchise at the hands MicroSoft. They probably let their IP Rights expire as well.

@@toddmichaeljaniszewski it must be from spite. As robotech isn't that valuable of a franchise and not much is done with it. I also don't see to much merch for it so I don't think that makes too much money.

*80s anime pop culture Western comics had all kinds of other Infinity Gauntlet level shit going on at the time

Bound by Flex Tape

I've got it on Blu Ray. It looks great. No 4k copy even in Japan yet.

I have it on DVD best I can find so far!

I've got it on VHS with an English dub. lol

I have a supposedly legit subbed widescreen DVD released somewhere around 2000.

Well the original LaserDisc has both English & Japanese my first copy was a pirate off that laserdisc

Thankfully they worked out the mech rights a few years ago and BT has all the unseen mechs back.

Yeah, Battletech is free and clear of the whole mess with the decision from Mechwarrior 5. Doesn't matter though. This just managed to kill Macross for me in a single masterstroke.

i don't understand why this would kill Macross for you. watch Macross if you want.

Battlestar Galactica fans: "Look at the kids still watching cartoons."

@@dalethelander3781 Battletech isn’t a cartoon, I mean it was for a while but that stuff wasn’t cannon in the first place. The series is actually more closely related to Warhammer 40K than a children’s cartoon.

Awww. RIP

RIP Chris :(

Now i feel called out because i always end up buying costume DLC for games i like.

@@Klonoahedgehog your not being called out... just targeted by capitalists

It's worth also noticing the paper dolls which preceded the plastic by decades. As did the paper cards. And the plastic figures are still around. If there had been the technology to market the same form of piecemeal DLC in 1990, they sure would've done it (on top of, not instead of, all the other merchandise). Check out some of the y2k-era MMO's and their flimsy paid content. The fleecing is nothing new. If a potential customer exists, a product can be created for him.

But also less risk of cancer.

So what's the future, they sell the idea of stuff to kids? Edit: OH there is a way to sell the idea of stuff....stuff as a service, you don't own anything, your just buying a "license" as a subscription.

Megazone23 sure didn’t……

Man, you sound like a Differentiated Idioblast.

Orgusss....oh no the urbie

The only way it will truly ever end is when Hasbro buys all the associated companies. Till all are one!

More like American company since Sony main office is in California now and Sony is failing in Japan. The main thing is they can see the writing on the wall given that live action Gundam movie is in the works and making another mecha to capitalize on that movies probably success is smart. Also helps to throw around your connections you have to try and get something that seems like a safe bet funded.

Sony: "Yall are going to sort this out?" "NOPE!" Sony: "Maybe you didnt hear me. Yall are GOING to sort this out." "Oh, yeah. No problem. We are already half way done before you came. We are good. Promise."

More likely Sony threw it's weight around, wanting to get in on the action, and forced an agreement. @@HeadCannonPrime 'Til all are one.

There's absolutely no evidence that Sony was ever involved in the negotiations between Big West and Harmony Gold. You're just assuming that they were because of the live-action movie deal they have for Robotech. Unless you were actually there or some official announcement stated that Sony was a part of it stop insinuating that they were.

I’m 47 and my son is16 and and we better get some new shit ASAP!

@@MATTA74 Let it go and be happy with what's been made. Unless you're also one of those "bring back Firefly" dullards.

50 and 18 and excited, too!

Robotech can go away but the rest is good. Except Delta. That's pretty much trash.

We are two. If this deal works well it would be a win-win for both franchises and yes, I´ll die happily if I see an official release of DYRL movie in an awesome package (though I have the deluxe limited edition blu ray box set from Japan) and an official sequels or continuation of the Robotech story.

I know what ya mean, I watched them all. All the series the movies read the books all of it. Huge anime O.G. from the 70s.gigantor and astronomy were part of my morning tv watch list as a kid. Then in later years capt harlock,gundam,space battleship yamato,voltron, dragonball,mazinger z,other shows similer I can't remember the names of. And yes robotech/macross. Shit got real though when akira came out. One of the best anime ever i think. it set the tone for the weirdness we have today.

I wish I could like this infinitely. HG has proven victorious, and it is a dark, dark day. I am done with Macross now, as Big West is complicit in the evil. I will never forgive them.

They SOMEHOW held on, like cochroaches after nuclear fallout . . .

If it's any consolation, they're probably getting pennies while Big West rakes in dollars. You have to remember that when the deal was struck, Harmony Gold was on the cusp of being frozen out of the European Union, after they'd already lost the license in China. It was pretty clear that Big West's legal strategy on the rights issue was to isolate Robotech to the US while it continued its downward spiral into irrelevance, and losing access to the EU would have sealed Robotech's fate. So in context, it seems that Harmony Gold and Big West struck a deal, but it was likely one whose terms were entirely decided by Big West, because they had literally all the leverage and were days away from killing Robotech's viability as an IP permanently.

That's true, but if I can have a Janis model and a Koenig Monster model I'd like that. Macross is better but both is better still.

We get that a lot, especially on the Top 10's. "You forgot..." No we didn't, we just can't see into the future.

Well... actually most people do pay attention, they're just pretentious dicks about it. I occasionally am one myself.

For truth.

Seriously, I find you everywhere.

Not everybody... Believe it or not, it is not always like that. We have many fans who comment not because we are pretentious and conceited assholes, but because we want people to have all the information and as much data in videos that are clearly trying to inform. It is not the same to say "you have everything wrong, and blah blah blah ..." than clearly it have a more conceited attitude; to say something like "in fact, there is data that was forgotten or ignored, and it is blah blah blah ... ". In this case, they skipped the previous reasons that led both companies to make the agreement.

That's the truth. It's also a good way to end a long running series.

that rhyming commercial was ROUGH

--Studio Nue, probably

"...because they're evil through and through!" -- Whoever wrote that clearly never watched the show. Britai/Breetai is deeply concerned with the survival of his people and eventually seeks rapport with his enemies to end the war. Even Kamjin/Khyron, probably the character in the show that could be called the closest to "evil", still had nuanced dialogue explaining how he did not want to give up old traditions but was still willing to adapt human culture to fit into his worldview.

@@NozomuYume Robotech was almost always a licensing money press. The toy licensees didn't care one whit about the show and were probably given only the most cursory descriptions of the characters. It's hard to fathom today, when we have Wikipedia and Fandom (formerly Wikia) giving us extensive character backstories and plot arc breakdowns at the push of a button, but back then nobody CARED except the hardcore geeks. And the most evil named Zentraedi character was probably Dolza/Boddole Zer. For humanity, the day Boddole Zer's fleet wiped out planet Earth's population was a near extinction event that will be remembered in history forever, but for him it was Tuesday.

@@bitwize ...and yet he was just trying to protect his people from Protoculture (or just culture in Robotech) by removing the contagion. Like wiping out smallpox. It wasn't base motivations, it was to protect his civilization (as he knew it) from being destroyed by a fearsome disease he could not comprehend.

I hate being reminded that Sony owns Funimation 🤮. It explains an awful lot of Sony's behavior and funimation's for that matter.

There is no evidence at all that Sony was involved. Stop assuming that they had anything to do with or influenced the negotiations.

@@bumbayker whoa easy there fella

@@bumbayker you'll note that I listed that as a guess.

@@nicholasromig5506 My apologies. But there are people spreading that baseless rumor around. Just because Sony has the rights to the Robotech live action movie doesn't mean they have a seat in the negotiation table. Macross is Big West's beloved IP and they're not going to let some mega corporation like Sony influence the terms of their agreement with Harmony Gold.

I think we've all been there as kids.

If your mum is still alive, give her a call and say sorry. You might have to preface this with a bit of explanation. She might not remember but say it's important to you and you've resolved to do better. My mum said she didn't remember about my "had to have it now, can't wait till after the weekend, ended up not using it much because it was too big, too heavy, and hurt me and already had a better alternative toy" story. I don't beat myself up for that childish behaviour but I do remember it on occasion and endeavour to make better decisions. If your mum isn't still around in person, you've told us, another person has already replied saying we all have stories like that, so you're not alone in your childish desires that you wouldn't repeat as an adult. Ask yourself if your mum would still want you feeling bad about it, and since that answer is no, just quietly whisper "sorry mum" and know she might have been surprised and a little hurt by your outburst, she forgave you and stopped thinking about it a long time ago.

close your eyes and hum Rick Hunter's Theme

As much of a fan I am of the original Macross score by Kentarō Haneda, the music Ulpio Minucchi made for Robotech will always be a favorite of mine. It's just an amazing score that I listen to fairly regularly.

If they wait much longer, Toby Maguire will be old enough to play Captain Gloval.

Spidey?

That was when Maguire bought the rights and he was based at Universal. The project was stuck in development hell and went into turnaround and Sony bought the rights. Then it entered development hell again.

hea just swan songs the entire franchise of mechs but shure

Elite and anything Robotechy is a great Combination. You play in VR? It's a completely different game.

@@dariustaefreeman2171 No VR yet, but I have been wanting to for a while now. I'll make the leap soon. Along with the voice command ai mods/purchases. Lately I've played the newer games like Elden Ring and New World. My poor fleet carrier is just chilling with a few billion credits for upkeep.

M7 is the most skippable series BTW. Frontier is basically better in every respect.

Absolutely. Those streams really helped.

@@SecretGalaxyTV Thank you so much. If you ever need facts about Robotech or any of the Power Rangers series or "knockoffs" let me know, that's what I mainly write about for Den of Geek.

But it's also great because it's as much about the post-war as the war. We don't get many stories like that.

Now that's a Cannon film!

At this point, I just want to see HG burn. Proverbially, as a company. Big West assured that Macross will also have to be tossed onto the pyre. A bitter blow, but so be it. They've killed the series forever, as far as I am concerned.

I appreciate you acknowledging that we fans want to watch Macross and Robotech. I know this has nothing to do with the video but The Macross Elitists need to realize you can like both. It is not mutually exclusive that you have to like one or the other.

@@bradleyrenfroe2776 I like both very much. They are just different. Carl Macek spun a good tale. And the novels are particularly good IMHO.

@@christopherings7996 Stay salty with your hate.

@@bradleyrenfroe2776 Agreed i like both to.

Yes, at some point the former "import" action figures and models will reach specialty retailers and on line stores. The 40 th Anniversary VF-25 is in current release from Bandai. Good luck to you! :)

I'm subscribed to you. I didn't know you were down with anime!

Lol I would love to hear them put lyrics to the Star Wars or Star Trek themes

Can't agree with you more!!!! It's like they never bothered to watch the source content before writing the commercial copy!!!!? Oh yeah, and "I'll get you Rick Hunter!!!!"

They were incredibly cringeworthy.

I suppose if Robotech wants to make some fast profits, they don't even have to animate anything new. They can just take the Macross movies and series and re-dub/sub them under the Robotech name. And they just need to keep mentioning about Admiral Rick Hunter without him ever actually showing up, to make it tie in even more to Robotech.

I was thinking that too!

"Live action" is a pretty vague concept these days, I'm sure it will be a CGi movement porn extravaganza.

Did it? Does it use the old core rules or have the new fixed hardpoint garbage from the video games?

Just scrolling through the comments and I noticed there hasn’t been much mention over the Battletech Unseen Mechs. I always considered this to be the main reason why everyone was furious with Harmony Gold in the first place.

@@nicholasdufresne3934 it’s my main reason. I’ve been a fan of BattleTech since MechWarrior 2 came out, loved piloting the Marauder around blowing stuff up. Was super disappointed when MW3 came out and it was one of a number of the older game’s mechs that wasn’t in it. It was as I was looking up the reasons that I learned about Harmony Gold’s antics. They’ve been on my shit list ever since.

@@gotindrachenhart yes it did. Still uses old core rules as well as a 2nd way to play "Alpha Strike".

@@Ghostwolf82 I'm with you. Marauder was the way to go.

If Sean Schemmel, who’s a rather bad person but is respected as the voice of Goku, can leave Funimation, then I’m gonna be a lot prouder than ever before. But that’s unlikely.

The only problem is literally everything they did after. If they hadn't just sat on the IP for the last 20 years I would have no animosity but they did and through the most shady means possible. One act of goodness does not overcome two decades of pure evil in the form of legal shenanigans.

That reminds me of the pen and paper RPG, now there is another company with a death grip on the license.

It doesn't make up for the damage they did to the industry by suing anyone who wanted to make any production involving mecha. Robotech was my introduction to anime and it will always hold a special place in my heart but I would trade it in an instant for Harmony Gold never existing.

@@MrChainrule The deepest sadness about all of it is the fact that yes in an alternate universe one of the numerous anime companies of which all but basically FUNimation no longer exists (even FUNimation isn't the FUNimation of old any more) someone like ADV or Manga entertainment or anybody else could have done a much better job than HG ever did or could have done. The universe where things weren't held back for decades because one company decided they were going to sit on what they knew was a pot of gold at the time. The fans may be getting what they want (finally) but as far as I'm concerned HG's actions and behavior should never be forgiven or forgotten.

That's kinda how I feel about Harmony Gold. Also, Carl Macek taught me a lot about how television syndication works, and I appreciate him and that knowledge. But I like Macross better than Robotech. ;)

Bandai have the rights to the old moulds, they put out some reissues in the mid-2000s that are still gettable on the secondary market. Mandarake have some VF-1As for around $110, and Hikaru's VF-1J for around $150. Search for Bandai Origin of Valkyrie and you'll find them

@@lorcannagle Yes, I know that. Still hard to find what I want, which is the VF-1S Super Valkyrie (not sure of the exact, true name, the one with the FAST Pack add ons) in the shape I want. Like I said, I'd love to see these sold in the USA and at a reasonable price.

@@TheACcam If you just want a good VF-1 toy as opposed to a reissue of the original, the 1/60 scale Arcadia VF-1s are fantastic, usually come with FAST Packs and one gets reissues every couple of years. Not easy to get at retail in the US, but I've ordered 12 or so Arcadia Macross toys direct from Japan to Ireland with minimal hassle in the last 8 years or so.

@@lorcannagle No, I want what I've stated. I have a very nice, complete G1 Jetfire that I have cleaned and fixed up. More than anything what I want is the "real" Macross version next to it on my display shelf. And you are very much correct, there are much better versions out there for more reasonable prices. I just want what I want, preferably without having to pay five hundred dollars, lol

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I agree. Harmony Gold should have died long ago. Back in the 80's Robotech served it's purpose but it's unnecessary now. Delta was a pretty bad series though so they can leave that show there.

@@kellinwinslow1988 The 2nd Delta movie is at least going to be post-series, so they may be able to salvage something now that the focus isn't on the Windemerian conflict.

both of them after 1987: "hot gaaaarbage! get yer hot garbage heeeere!" (macross plus was the exception)

@@christophersummers1939 The fact that you say "both of them", as though you think there were only two series after DYRL, tells me all I need to know.

@@JoelBurger i'm referring to the jp & us producers, not series, you burger

Same here

So do I and the soundtrack on CD

@@rickmiller3522 Perfect collection? I got it too. I know the words to "look up the sky is falling" by heart lolz

I want new Firefly, but THAT ain't gonna happen.

Still have the OG video release of Robotech: Macross on VHS tucked away in the basement storage.

Someone needs to introduce you to Battlestar Galactica (reimagined).

Exactly.

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It’d be nice to have a new Tread and Legioss toy...