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I was once told, "Practice offense on worse players. Practice neutral on equal players. Practice defense on better players." And I've tried to live and play by that philosophy ever since.

Woolie was mentioned The hanging pies were stolen The lies were spoken

Mirror matches are ok, if they don't steal your color.

Somewhat ironically, the better you are, the more you benefit from playing someone better than you. LK, Jwong, Sajam, etc., will able to learn far more from someone who is better than them than I would.

Disliking mirror matches is a cold take. That's been around forever. I honestly think sometimes people just don't like it because they have no bad match up/bs character/bs move excuses. If you have a big ego knowing someone is just better must hurt 😂

the last part was probably my favorite thing, by far. fighting games have been allowed to garner a really shitty energy of elitism that many other games somehow avoid. like, when have you ever heard someone say they need to learn how to do *something specific* in order to play an fps? they don't. they just play it, and have fun. and they might get better, but they might not.

I agree with new characters > returning characters, BUT they have to actually be new. Not just "we're taking this Old Characters function and putting it on this New Character." I feel like new character, new function is (almost) always great

my hot take: If making games less technical makes you lose, you're not as good as you think you are.

that thumbnail is the coldest take ive ever seen like actually refridgerated

I love how a good number of these responses are just middle of the road. My personal hot take is that offline content should be there for the times when you just don't want to play online or don't have a way to connect wired Also people shouldn't be afraid to go out of their comfort games, I have a list of 700 fighting games and there's always more out there but people just won't go digging.

The last one is very true, there is something to be learned in every match you play, regardless of skill level

On the mirror match take, I don't think you are mandatory better or worse if you win or lose. You might be better at the mirror match up, or your playstyle counter the other person playstyle. But it doesn't mean as whole, a person is better than the other. Of course, sometimes they are just better, but you need to really think about it, it's not just about win or lose

So true about the ego with learning characters thing. I totally do it now that you mentioned it and I’m not even sure why. I think it’s either because I personally am struggling to learn something or win with the character, and it’s easier to accept the character is difficult (or others are just easier) as opposed to I am too inept (whether overall or at the moment) to learn and do well with the character. Copium I suppose but kinda subconsciously. Actually fascinating lol.

I think ego thing for mirror matches is sorta true for most games, but I'll definitely say that it's not for GG. GG mirror matches feel real dumb because characters in general don't really have good tools to fight themselves or said tools involve doing what your opponent was doing.

Despite the overly aggressive wording of Masoma's tweet, I mostly agree with the sentiment that GG feels a bit archaic and too snowbally/violent, even Strive. As someone who's not trying to get good, it's not my favorite, but it's still fun, and it's integral to what GG is, so it shouldn't change. There are other games where high-level players don't have to get counterhit by meaties every now and then.

For Mirror Matches, some characters actually do a great job of countering their own offense/gimmicks. So it just creates this weird situation where you can't do the things you like to do with your character. Your optimal way to to play becomes waiting for your opponent to do the thing that you can't do that you normally do. There are some mirror matches I actually think are fun. This is usually the more well rounded characters with lots of options, but the mirror matches for the gimmick characters can just be really restricting and unfun at times.

This is one of my favorite types of video, I don't really care about the spice itself but the variety of discussion that it leads to is great.

4:47 This discussion reminds me as a new fg player of when my mimd was blown by someone saying that one of the characters didn't have a forward dash. I didn't know that you could mess with system mechanics that much to make characters unique. I think its sick.

We definitely still reference ur persona defense guide in the p4u2 community!

"My character is way harder to learn than that!" Ehh. Often there's a big difference in the different levels of play for how difficult to learn/win a character is with. Anji's basics are giga easy and at lower ranks it's really easy to win with him. But when you get into celestial, Anji is really hard to do well with. If your opponents know the matchup well, it becomes really hard to win matches. The difference is bigger than the majority of the cast. Meanwhile Anji's more complicated combos are actually really difficult to be consistent with. Not because of execution which is still easy, but because a lot of the combos depend completely on your and your opponent's position relative to each other and the walls, and your momentum too. Basic combos are probably the easiest in the game, meanwhile the advanced stuff requires very precise situational awareness and estimating pixel distances. It's not difficult to execute, (except kara kou) it's just difficult to adapt to picking the correct moves so your enemy doesn't drop out.

masoma's was wild; weights are interesting but the legacy doesn't translate when you remove airtech, and RISC feels way better to me than something like a guard bar, especially for how many individual interactions/opportunities the opponent has when you're staggering them for long periods of time.

Great Video LK, this kind of content is fr fun to watch.

I like new characters, but I love returning favorites way more. I think my fantasy wishlist roster (for any game getting a sequel) would be 80-85% returning characters and then 1 new original character per DLC season. Fan favorites are important. The only MK game that didn't have Scorpion had to get an updated version to add him in, within a few months, and any Street Fighter game that doesn't have the World Warriors ends up selling poorly. A single character can affect an individual's choice in getting invested in the game/series, and people are stubborn about their favorites. Also, every newcomer will eventually become an old favorite, so I think it's best to try and only focus on a few and make them unique than reboot the whole roster. Leo first appeared in Xrd, but he entered Strive as a veteran and we get to see his evolution as a character with his design AND gameplay. It's much cooler to me to see how a general idea of a character translates to a different game's mechanics and systems. But, you need your new designs to perfectly compliment those new mechanics, so obviously I think both types serve a purpose.

To people that don't know about Woolie, this is a hot take. To those that do, it's one of the saner opinions he has.

In regards to weight and how wide a character is, I like it when they don't remove your combo routes. Like for example, with my (bad) Elphelt combos, I pretty much did the same combo on every character. Though on some characters, you could get 2D>jc>j.P and do a confirm like that. Weights and size should add unique combos but your normal combos should work too.

play against tougher opponents who aren't vastly stronger than you to improve your skill ceiling. play against opponents who are weaker or around the same level to polish your fundamentals or new tactics. that's how i do it. also, playing against weaker opponents can help the mentals since that's like half the battle to getting good. so for strive, i'll set myself to play random opponents and accept anyone who plays me if their ping is good. celestial is all over the place in terms of skill so you'll get a little bit of every thing. if i want to play against a specific match-up or whatever, i'll search around for a bit.

I hate it when the easiest thing to do is also the optimal thing to do, specially combo wise (sf6 lol) Its not bad to demand mechanical execution from your players

24:30 This is kinda related to a “hot take” I have. I feel like there is a popular line out there that you can learn the game by just playing…. IMO no you can’t. If you play in ranked, you eventually get to a point where everyone around you is too strong for you to comfortably try new things. This is especially worse when you are trying a new character, since your fundamentals carry you super far… then you are stuck at a rank that is way beyond your character specific skills.

The mirror match one feels like a mild one. There are actually some mirror matches that when played feel like eggshells because of the archetype. or gameflow a character has. I've heard Zato's complain about fighting others Zato's, I think the only mirror match I can speak upon that I've had the recent displeasure of fighting would be asuka vs asuka quite literally the most looney tunes experience I had playing strive lol. I don't speak upon what the match up is or rating it but personally not a fun one to deal with.

Spice level 6/10 take: People pretend to hate kusoge but MK's popularity says otherwise.

I love the point you made at 14:32 cuz as a tournament Melee player every character in that game can be so damn annoying and I hate like nearly every character, so people say all the time "if you hate these characters so much why do you play this game?" and its cuz I find my character so much fun to play as.

My hot take is that more male fighting game characters should be shirtless

My FG hot take is that games need to get rid of this idea of honor in fighting games and add a surrender button in matches/ranked. Or people need to just take the game and keep it moving. It's 11 at night, I came off work, I'm tired, my moves aren't coming out like I want them to, just let me get out of here. Let me surrender, even if I lose more points or whatever. Or, just let me put my controller down and take the game. Just get me out of here.

I agree with you about RISC, and I also think that systems like Stun or burnout in SF are good too. People react negatively to systems that punish them in addition to getting combo'd, but you have to look at the intended purpose of those Systems. RISC is stop turtling and Stun meter is make people think more about their exchanges.These systems facilitate activity in fighting games and when you dont have them, you get Dragonball Fighterz, a game where you'll be forced to block for 45 secs, and then STILL have your character talkin to T.o.D. Guess what... no one likes that either.

I get that jumping one cause melty air movement have been really fun

Strive shouldn’t have had weight in the first place it hardly affected the game at most it just meant you had to slightly delay a button in a combo risc is only a issue cause we have infinite block strings and in fact Arc sys made doing those block strings easier and buffed them

You don't need to fight people overwhelmingly better than you all the time, but you MUST do so, as much as your self-esteem will allow you. You can end up forming nasty habits of things that work on scrubs but not good players. When you catch up you're just gonna have to unlearn a bunch of stuff. Good players also tend to give great advice if you reach out to them after a match too. Also, you are a saiyan, If you fight tough opponents you'll get tough

Ooh I’ve been waiting for this one. Here’s my hot take. I disagree with the notion that matchups only matter at the highest levels of play. Here’s what I find interesting, I almost always see it parroted by the people who only go to locals, cause there are many top level international players who say just the opposite. I believe that once you get halfway decent at the game, learning how your character performs in respect to another character is a crucial part in learning how to effectively utilize them going forward. While it is true that you can make it decently far without doing so, that kind of mindset/ playstyle will only take you so far.

It's always a surprising, but welcome, treat seeing Woolie in the wild

19:17 Man, we had multiple Litchis in the PNW during CS. It was my least favorite match up because it always just felt like her combos just took forever and ended with daisharin in the corner.

The interestingness of mirror match depends on the characters - some mirrors are super interesting, some are just meh

6:36 So that’s probably not the big reason Street Fighter 3 did so poorly. 2 things that had more to do with that are the other street fighter games out in the arcades at the time (alpha, ex, and vs X-men/Marvel Superheroes) and New Generation kind of felt bad to play (if you don’t believe me try New Generation, then Second Impact, then 3rd Strike)

What you said about that second one is a fact. There will be people that will ALWAYS gas up how hard their main or game is to play regardless of the community, new or old.

normally id accept having a bunch of returning characters but nowadays you're going to be paying for a lot of characters you use and i think paying for returning characters just feels worse than getting a completely new one always rubs me the wrong way when i have to pay for a char who i used to have for free

8:36 I kinda vibe with this implying that the only old comers would be sol/ky or sin/ram

I hate mirror matches because your gameplan just has to completely change on a mirror match because at a certain level, both you and the opponent know pretty much what your going for at all times, or at least as the player you have to assume they know as much as you, so you have to generally just take a few more unsafe options to get anything started. Personally in like a 2 out of 3 set in any game I don't think a mirror match is going to tell you whose actually better with the character in most cases because the gameplan has to change in general on both sides. Some of my most random feeling matches are mirror matches and that's the only reason I dislike them but its not something I like actively avoid. I'm not ducking sets because my character came up for example lol.

I think a good explanation for old vs new games, old games are obtuse and had less thought out design, as for new games there streamlined and moves are made for a specific situations

My biggest reason for not like mirror matches is because my favorite part of fighting games is using the best traits of my character to beat the worst traits of my opponent’s. A mirror match reduces those number of unique interactions a ton and it just becomes, generally, who’s better a neutral and nothing else. It’s just boring. Sure I’d say maybe my ego is a part of it but I don’t even enjoy playing mirror matches if I’m winning either so

I agree with Willie, to an extent. I’ve seen people with a take after SF6’s release that essentially was that we’ve moved past the need for the World Warriors, and it reminded me why just because you play a game in an established franchise doesn’t mean you know what’s best for said franchise. I think SF6 strikes a good, healthy balance; even though I can understand people missing certain characters (I’m surprised we didn’t get Makoto on launch too) to say that we need to get rid of some of the most iconic characters in the entire genre is crazy

I've had people say they suck playing on tcg tournaments and I would always go with the same response, "yeah I guess so"

As a May player Yeah shes easy as fuck to learn and win with, I went from struggling with other characters in that same quadrant like baiken for ages, picked up May and suddenly learned and started winning so quickly

*Me scrolling through my recommended* Also me: Why do I see Woolie?

My take is that 92% of player base of all fighting games in general flowchart without truly understanding or playing neutral.

I don’t like mirror matches for a simple reason I pick the most annoying character in every game, and don’t want that torture aimed back at myself. I can dish it but can’t take it.

I think Woolie is spitting hard with his take because I 100% agree. It's always needed for an existing franchise to have some returning characters so that way it is part of the same series, but I think if a game just has the same characters that every other game in a series has makes it feel like it's not that special. It's why I love the fact that SF6 has lots of new characters because it adds a new flair to the roster while having plenty of old favorites that help keep it tied to the series

To woolies point, every character ever put in a series was at one point a new character.

Certain games and characters make fighting pros to get good impossible. How can I practice combos or anything if I'm cornered unable to block 50 50s

What are your thoughts on drinking pedialyte during a tournament?

The mirror match take is 100% correct. Hate to admit it but thats why i hate them. You lose and there’s no way to cope and you just have to hold that L. I also dont want to use something on them that they’ll then use on me that they didnt know the character could do. But i sometimes play them to see if they’ll show me something i can steal. More often than not i avoid them though. Partly why ive always gravitated to obscure/low tier characters

I never thought of it before but after you mention it, yeah fighter Z is what arena fighter would look like it they decided to turn it into a fighting game.

People made kenshi sound impossible in mk1, but he was not nearly as hard as people said.

the main reason i dislike mirror matches is becasue asymmetry is one of the core appeals of fighting games for me. weighing my options against the options my opponent has is less interesting when we play the same character.

When save that shit for nationals was the real tech

8:42 NO BADGUY NO BADBUY

thanks for years of free content

I definitely could get better with my baiken.

Peak easy fun is Divekick and Footsies I don't think games will get easier than them or at least I hope not lol

Kinda agree on woolie so thats why i more interest in new fighting game base on established IP like injustice pokken DBFZ granblue etc more than legacy game sequal where every new character is also a returned fan favorite

i don’t always want to use every match to improve myself sometimes i just wanna hate on the game

As a new fighting game player I personally love when there are new characters in a fighting game. It personally feels like I'm at the same experience lv as everyone else (even though I'm obviously not) when we're practicing them for the very first time. It's the reason why I picked up Manon and Marisa as my first sf6 characters as a newbie. It actually gave me motivation to stick with the game.

I'll never understand people who hate the mirror match. It gives me an opportunity to learn or show off the stuff I know, so it's atleast a win-win to me either way

"I found the character more fun than the game" Sounds like me with Vega in SFV.

On the mirror match point. As a potemkin player, any bustah is a good bustah even if I'm the victim of said bustah.

New characters isn't too much of a hot take. Because the other take is way hotter which is completely change how the returning character plays. I used to love to play Jacko in Xrd but I hate how she plays in Strive. They unfortunately couldn't just port her over as she was so they had to drastically change her design. Making that a new character would've helped me want to explore that moveset more but since I just see her as a completely different than how she was I'm now completely turned off by the character.

My hot take is SF players love to talk about how bad anime neutral and then complain about how they can’t deal with Drive Rush

That take about why people hate the mirror is nuts. I hate the mirror because my character is straight up bullshit, you think I wanna deal with the stuff I put other people through?

All of my favorite fighting games are games that I consider bad kusoge for the win

if deflect shield was tied to risk i think the game would personally feel better especially considering it feels practically useless sometimes, sure its 1 more resource but its right there anyway

**Scrubs after seeing this video** “Actually we identify as low stress opponents..”

My spicy take is. Fun>>>Balance. Particularly at a game's launch. Gimme like 25 characters from the start and get ready for a big balance patch in 6-12 months. Also only releasing 2 new characters to the roster a year is so damn slow. Release new characters faster and just ban them from ranked and tournaments for X amount of time(s) so they can be properly balanced.

the "i'm so trash" take happens mostly in casual matchmaking channels in fighting game servers, not tournaments. Comes from younger users putting too much self worth in the game imo.

2:42 yes this is a hot take but it like half right half wrong. I do agree that the old heads going on and on about how hard older games does turn people down from learning the game but bro Xrd is just hard in every single aspect of the game beside combos, which is ironic to me. Like playing something as simple as neutral is a nightmare and when first learning offense, you tend to get stump by 0 frames throws and what you suppose to use as meaty to not get oki to oblivion. Add that in a bunch of broken and unnecessary mechanics, pressure that has to be fd’d to get out of, knowledge check, Roman cancels and oppressive obnoxious gameplay that give makes you wanna give up cause you keep getting grab reset and taunting really make you wanna put your controller down and rethink everything. Good players will shook you at this game

The first one is logic

The characters I think are hot are often the ones I enjoy the playstyles of: Xrd Ramlethal, SF4 Juri, BBCF Tsubaki (literally has her boob jiggle as a visual cue for links), Peach in Melee, Red Arc in MBAACC, among others. The dude characters I play I wouldn't necessarily say they're "attractive" but I usually like aspects of their personalities: I'm a fairly reserved person so a character like Terumi being incredibly violent and sadistic is cathartic, Vaserga similarly just walks forward and beats the shit out of you. Overall it's mostly playstyle but there's significant enough overlap that I can't say it's not a factor

Sf3 new character problem gets overblown

My hot take, chip damage is bullshit and good defense shouldn't be punished like that. Chip should absolutely never be able to score a ko either

Mirror matches are weird. I feel a little dread going into them and I just aesthetically prefer having two different characters on the screen, but the games always wind up being really fun and satisfying. I know I like playing them, but there's always that feeling of "ah shit, here we go" at the start.

Something Id like to say about the take about fighting games being bs is that, fighting games (and any game in general) kinda cant avoid bullshit. Like sure there are games that are dirtier than others but you can never truly make getting punished a 100% a not frustrating experience. Another thing is, sometimes you have to concede to make a character a bit dirty in a fighting game if it makes them more interesting and fun.

My hot take is that OSing sucks. Probably no real good way of fixing it, but I think most games would be improved if you had to actually commit to a defensive option, and not 9 layer deep trying to bait wacky OS options. I remember just delay teching in SFV on wakeup and from rookie to gold nobody ever hit me because nowhere is it obvious that you can just time it, so you beat strike and throw. Probably seemed like I was cheating to these people. This is the absolute simplest case, too. Shit gets wacky real fast when you start throwing Zato in the mix. For the record, I don't hate strike/throw/shimmy but in general OSing just feels like abusing the system and not getting better at the game, and really wrecks new players.

imma be the cool guy who goldbursts round 1 *gets blocked* damn got burst baited what is life aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaugh -me, definitely as a floor 10 nago at least like five times so far.

I am not a competitive person, but i love fighting games as a dumb little party game, over the night you see people start with mashing and as the night goes on they start to actually learn some strategies and tech, Also, my take Being a newbie and playing against newbies in a fighting game is more fun than getting good at that game and playing sweaty

Baiken a super technical character and Nago a meme character loool you never stop capping, keep it up

Sf3 new generation had only ryu/ken, however the timing was the reason it bombed, releasing at the same time as other sf vs games, and its marketing was also horrible

great video

"returning characters" should be included at launch or free DLC.

Here's a few takes I got: If a combo isn't possible on both controller and stick than stick should be banned. Dashing and blocking on buttons should be more of a thing. Why are there free buttons on a controller that I can't even map to something useful.

8:46 NO BAIKEN NO BUY

I will say Jamie and JP are just about my favorite in Street Fighter 6 and I’ve been playing since Street Fighter 2

needing to lab defence and knowledge check characters are the number 1 thing that lowers how fun a fighting game is