The HS 748 and BAe ATP Story

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Hello everyone! :D
In a stark contrast to the Avro Tudor I highlighted in my episode of Flying Failures, we take a look at an Avro product which ended up being one of the best-selling British commercial airliners in history, the 748, a twin-engined regional turboprop which prided itself on its short-field performance and incredibly rugged durability which made it a favourite among bush airlines and other carriers operating to among the most remote regions of the world.
Unfortunately, 25 years later, the 748's domination of the rugged regional turboprop market was no more, and in a bid to try and reinvigorate the design, British Aerospace created a lightly modified replacement for the model that was meant to take on the likes of the De Havilland Dash 8 and ATR 42, only for the company to completely misread the trend in regional turboprop sales patterns, and thus leading to a monumental failure.
Chapters:
0:00 - Preamble
0:34 - Avro 748 Origins
4:59 - Avro 748 Entry into Service
6:40 - Hawker Siddeley Andover
8:48 - Hindustan Aeronautics HAL-748
11:32 - HS 748 Unrealised Variants
13:32 - HS 748 Commercial Performance
15:12 - Howard Hughes Takes Interest
17:34 - BAe ATP Origins
22:34 - BAe ATP Entry into Service
26:19 - Jetstream 61
28:05 - BAe ATP End of Production
30:06 - Accidents and Incidents
33:14 - Conclusion
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@simonlb24 Жыл бұрын

I worked at the Woodford factory where these were built and remember watching the first flight of the ATP. Thanks for this, brought back memories.

@jetmec Жыл бұрын

I worked on the 146 line

@davidphillips4958 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of memories, this was the aircraft I flew on as a kid from Tri-State airport in Huntington WV to my dad's house in Virginia. My personal joke is you know your old when you flew on prop driven aircraft in your life.

@gulfstream7235 Жыл бұрын

@@davidphillips4958 Plenty of commercial prop driven aircraft working all around the world today, many with infants on them, including America...

@tumakbaluk Жыл бұрын

As a Canadian, I am somewhat conflicted with my admiration of the ATP. The ATP was a great looking aircraft, but like you said, it's design was old and the mighty Dash 8 was just too much to compete with. Thanks for another great documentary!

@hannodearing1366 Жыл бұрын

Love this! Please everybody note: it`s an Austrian Airlines 748 at Innsbruck Airport depicted at 17:36 , at a time when we still had some steam locos for the Arlberg rail route. Cheers from Linz!!

@squadman3376 Жыл бұрын

As a young man, I flew a LAN Chile 748 from Santiago to Calama Chile in the early 70's. I remember how smooth and comfortable the plane was. Cheers

@mikesweet2554 Жыл бұрын

First time I ever flew was in a Dan Air 748 Cardiff to Jersey in 1982.Disappointed this airline wasn't mentioned in the video as I remember them operating this aircraft well!

@hybrid1608 6 ай бұрын

It's my belief their 748s were from Skyways who had been bought out by Dan Air, but don't quote me.

@anantr99 Жыл бұрын

One thing to note is that of the total of 109 HS 748s manufactured by HAL for the Indian Air Force, 57 are still flying. While the type is scheduled for retirement in the near future, the HS 748 has had an exceptional service record, and very high reliability. Over 59 years of service (the first aircraft entered IAF service in April 1964), the type has seen a grand total of 7 crashes (of which 2 were due to mechanical issues, 2 were lost in mid-air collisions, and 3 were lost to pilot error). As such, the aircraft has put up an exceptional service history and legacy.

@plugs313 Жыл бұрын

Throughout my career, I've flown quite a few types but, with a few thousand hours on this one, it holds a special place in my heart. My all time favorite.

@tumakbaluk Жыл бұрын

I too have some memories of flying on Air North's HS748's. My longest flight with them was from Inuvik, NWT (CYEV) to Old Crow, YK (CYOC) to Dawson City, YK (CYDA) to Whitehorse, YK (CYXY) in northern Canada 🇨🇦

@michaelturner4457 Жыл бұрын

I flew on Dan-Air HS748s a few times in early 80s, Bournemouth to Jersey, Channel Islands.

@cheobori4523 Жыл бұрын

I worked on the ATP and 748s aircraft in Blackpool airport for emerald airways as an engineer in 2007. It was still a good aircraft but loads of cannibalizing to keep them flying.

@mikekizzy5200 2 ай бұрын

I worked there to as a Connie, happy days 👍 The cockpit fuselage is at Avros museum at Woodford. Well worth a visit.

@markhaneklau5021 Жыл бұрын

As always, a well researched and professionally written, edited and narrated job. Aerospace engineer course quality. Thanks for all you do.

@dcanmore Жыл бұрын

16:05 that is actor Jason Robards, playing Howard Hughes in the movie Melvin and Howard (1980).

@marcusdamberger Жыл бұрын

Good catch. Jason Robards was nominated for the third time in five years for the same category, Best Actor in a Supporting Role. He won in both 77' and 78' but not in '80 for this role. He was only onscreen 7 minutes for that nomination in this movie. Oddly enough Mary Steenburgen won an Oscar for Best Supporting Actress Award in this film, mostly it seems for disrobing and no one else that year seemed to fit the category.

@dcanmore Жыл бұрын

@@marcusdamberger yeah he was a great actor, didn't see enough of Mary Steenburgen though (career-wise that is). Time After Time was great.

@everykenyan Жыл бұрын

Yess, Perfect audio! Thank you! always appreciate a long episode, will settle in for this later in the evening :)

@drdoolittle5724 Жыл бұрын

Truly excellent production Ruairidh, thank you very much! Latterly, being a resident of the IOM, the ATP was our 'ferry', and one of the truths you have not broached was the inherent instability of its airframe. It was shown to me first hand on the flight deck during a flight by the Captain, a friend who was an ex RAF Hercules pilot when he switched off the auto-pilot. The plane just stuck its nose to the right and would have skidded like that everywhere unless left boot was applied or autopilot re-engaged!!! The resultant drag/fuel consumption/lack of confidence by potential customers might well have been more to do with lack of orders than we will ever know!

@SimonWallwork Жыл бұрын

Steve Rixon?

@simongray8019 Жыл бұрын

Remember flying on the 748 with Dan Air, NCL-DUB. Great little aircraft

@propman3523 Жыл бұрын

I never got to fly on it much to my regret, but what a beauty. Oh yay, BOAC, the the deathknell for every promising commercial airliner project to come out of Britain for 30 years. Damn you Speedbird!! Someones sales department wasn't om their game.

@wolfganghobelsberger6720 Жыл бұрын

I can remember back in the late 80s that the German operator DLT used them. One day one of the 748s returned from a training session, and on touch-down the left elevator spar broke, and the complete elevator was hanging down an scraping te runway. There was BAe repair team in our Hangar to fix it. As far as I can recall, an Airworthiness Directive (AD) was issued after this event. Still in my memories is this remarkable sound of the Dart eniges. Love it. Thanks for uploading

@theobster Жыл бұрын

I worked for British Midland at EMA from 1988 to 91 and remember the ATP well, I always thought it looked really neat as I walked past it in the hanger. I worked in an Avionic workshop mainly on DC9 kit but I remember speaking to engine airframe chaps and recall them talking about engines running hot and de icing boot issues. It was alleged an ATP could fly from EMA to Heathrow on the same amount a DC9 would use to taxi from the apron to the end of the runway at EMA!

@blackdoublezero Жыл бұрын

ATP - Always a Technical Problem

@je7887 Жыл бұрын

I remember the great food in the canteen, just adjacent to the hangar and training center. David Whittaker? also conducted the ground school for new crew on the ATP at that time. He didn't want the Viscount simulator to be destined for the scrap yard, so he made that his project to rescue the device. The DC-9 ground school was a blast too, very intensive study for the ARB exams! John Bowker was Chief Pilot for the ATP amongst other well know characters such as Ron Hardy (707) and beyond to the 737. Good old days indeed.

@je7887 Жыл бұрын

@@blackdoublezero Or, Alternative Transport Provider!

@californiadreamin8423 Жыл бұрын

@@je7887 Good old days….really !! Riddled by a blame culture for everyone outside the golden circle, such as a Fleet Captain who went off the end of the runway at EMA in a Fk70….a Fk70 !!….and he got away with it, weeks after warning all pilots to improve , and a Pension Fund which went insolvent as soon as Bishop sold the company. Good old days indeed.

@michaeledmunds8796 28 күн бұрын

I worked in LHR line maintenance for BMA. We used to refer to the ATP as Antique Technology Perpetuated. They weren't hugely popular.

@Millerman77 Жыл бұрын

My Grand-dad who worked @ Avro's Chadderton was heavily involved with the 748 project @ Hindustan Aircraft Limited out in India in the early to mid 60's

@MorganThomas757 Жыл бұрын

The ATPs days in service left are numbered. They finished operating in the UK back in August 2022, where the aircraft was operating the EMA-ABZ route on a daily basis. They then finished operating in Europe a few months later, where the aircraft SE-MAP was operating a route on behalf of UPS from CGN-ZAG-BEG. The aircraft was taken off this route, and out of service when it was hit by a set of steps during a storm, and required extensive repairs before a special ferry flight back to MMX at 10,000ft was authorised due to pressurisation issues. The remaining two aircraft still operating are SE-LGZ and SE-MAM. LGZ is operating on the OSL-JKG route on behalf of FedEx, and MAM is operating on behalf of Norwegian Post on the OSL-BOO-TOS rotation. Their days are numbered however, as the aircraft will be taken out of service in the next few weeks once the contracts are transferred across to new operators. My advice to anyone who lives in Scandinavia and near the airports mentioned above would be to take photos of them while you can, as they're soon to be an extinct species!

@patriksonestad8208 Жыл бұрын

I live close to MMX and have seen the ATP quite often over the years. West Air used to have a parts-frame at MMX, don't know if it's still there though (seems like it's gone, looking at Google Maps) Sad to see them go, but so has the 146s of Malmö Aviation, err, BRA.

@MorganThomas757 Жыл бұрын

@@patriksonestad8208 SE-MAM ‘should’ be flying to MMX on it’s last flight on 10th Feb, if all goes well, arriving at 0525am.

@andysedgley Жыл бұрын

My era. I spent a lot of time flying on the 748 between SYY, INV and GLA as a kid, and had several cockpit visits, marvellous!

@NakulDalakoti Жыл бұрын

Finally... thank you for fulfilling my request. Indian Air Force will soon replace these with Airbus C-295.

@anotherfreediver3639 Жыл бұрын

I remember as a young child flying from Portsmouth to the Channel Islands in these, and disliking them because they were really noisy, and being low wing, I always ended up not being able to see out, as I always ended up sitting over the wing!

@melvyncox3361 Жыл бұрын

Excellent piece.Well researched and written.Great job!

@johneddy908 Жыл бұрын

The Rolls-Royce Dart, the most famous engine of its kind ever built. The Pratt & Whitney Canada PW120 series, a VERY close second.

@MrAvant123 Жыл бұрын

Flew in Andovers many times -- great and informative video

@Peter-MH Жыл бұрын

100k subs closing in!.. will be a very well deserved milestone! Keep up the great work! 👍

@12345fowler Жыл бұрын

Truly rermarkable information from historical, industrail, financial and technical point of views. Very well done !

@james6608 Жыл бұрын

Love all your videos, a great amount of research involved, the one video I would like to see you do is on the British Rail Class 37 and class 20 locos, still in use today and going strong, keep up the great work!

@tigerskys6810 Жыл бұрын

Great presentation! Loved the budgy.

@torgeirbrandsnes1916 Жыл бұрын

Great vlog as always! In Norway there was only one 748. Fred. Olsen airlines. It later became a cal. for the Norwegian FAA. How about a vlog about the Fokker F-28. Scandinavia and Australia has been Fokker turf since day 1. Keep up the good work!

@peterflitcroft9756 Жыл бұрын

G-ARRV was the first aircraft I ever went inside. It was parked up derelict outside the hangers at Woodford. At one of the air shows it was a great (unofficial ) attraction for the kids to explore. We had to climb in through a window if I remember correctly.

@JohnS1704 Жыл бұрын

The "Budgie". My only choice of transport during my Sullum Voe contract. Many a Gordon's and Tonic levelled out the bumps.

@Hemidakota Жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@ianr Жыл бұрын

Excellent video!👏🙂

@acward2007 Жыл бұрын

I never knew that the 748 was so successful and on the other hand, how unsuccessful the ATP was. I used to see so many ATPs as used by Manx Airlines I really thought they were a great success. Shame that BAe decided to stop producing civil aircraft as I was a big fan of the ATP and 146. Ah well, things move on. Great narration as always 👍.

@jameshennighan8193 6 ай бұрын

OUTSTANDING Another fine and detailed analysis Ruairidh... Well done for all the historical background and details. James Hennighan Yorkshire, England

@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Жыл бұрын

Great video...👍

@karenbaisch2868 Жыл бұрын

The ATP was one of the sexiest aircraft ever made. Sadly I have never got to fly on one. Thank you for the very informative episode

@victormwalo903 Жыл бұрын

ATP Passenger aircraft flying again soon in Nairobi. Make arrangement.

@karenbaisch2868 Жыл бұрын

@@victormwalo903 thank you for the heads up

@tomdixon7264 Жыл бұрын

I flew as air crew on one of these back in the early 90's in northern Ontario. On takeoff you would monitor the prop hubs for power. We would normally see 360 psi. When you kicked in the water/meth injection for takeoff, the gauges would peg past 620 and you'd be sucked back in your seat. This thing was a truck with wings. If you could get it in the cargo door, it would go.

@PaulR1200 Жыл бұрын

I well remember the scream of the Mount Cook 748's taking off and landing here in Christchurch, very distinct engine note. Thanks mate NZCH

@jwboatdesigns Жыл бұрын

I've flown on both the 748/2 and the Andover, really liked both. Very good aircraft of the time.

@TomKwan Жыл бұрын

Nice video, informative

@breathtakingblue Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video Ruairidh! I remember the ATP and HS-748 from days spent at EMA. The ATP was quite a cool looking aircraft but clearly not a match for the likes of ATR. Great video as always. 👍

@johneddy908 Жыл бұрын

Both the ATP and the ATR had one thing in common: the Pratt & Whitney Canada PW120 engine and Hamilton Standard six-blade propellers.

@ManxAndy Жыл бұрын

Great to see Manx Airlines make an appearance….👍🇮🇲

@AndrewG1989 Жыл бұрын

Never seen these planes or aircraft before but my Dad nearly flew them before he started flying helicopters. When he was in the army and knows a lot more about aviation as it’s his hobby. Interesting to know about how these airplanes were used before and after the war.

@auntbarbara5576 Жыл бұрын

merveilleuse!

@boblatham7696 Жыл бұрын

At 24:30 you state that Air Winsconsin withdrew their aircraft in September 1993 but they were still operating for the airline in 1995. On 5th January 1995 I flew on N856AW operating from Chicago to Central Wisconsin as UA5033 and on 11th May 1995 I took N860AW in the opposite direction as UA5030

@kennethsooley9938 Жыл бұрын

Flew on one of these with First Air in spring 2001 from Iqaluit to Pangnirtung.

@alxa4739 Жыл бұрын

Great video! Please do the dash 8 at some point

@mxyzptlyk Жыл бұрын

Regarding HS 748 accidents, I seem to remember an HS 748 went off a runway in Scotland, killing some people in the 1980s. I saw the scrapped airframe when driving past a junkyard somewhere in the south on England and stopped to check it out and even managed to walk through the airframe. Memory fades, but that was what I was told at the time about the history of it..

@kenward9501 4 ай бұрын

This accident was coursed by the unoficial home made gust lock which had operated preventing the aircraft from lifting off the Runway.

@mxyzptlyk 4 ай бұрын

@@kenward9501 Thanks Ken, I remember that now you mention it.

@johannesbols57 Жыл бұрын

No autopilot staggers me. I should've thought it would be required standard equipment by the 1960s. I remember a local airline here in Washington State flew the HS748 in the 1980s.

@scottwilson8105 Жыл бұрын

I was an avionics tech at Air Wisconsin from July 1991 to April 1992 when Air Wisconsin filed bankruptcy and many of us there were laid off. The ATP was despised by maintenance personnel. We called it Advanced Turbo Problems or A Terrible Plane. It was plagued with fuel leaks and electrical problems. We had a number of winter write-ups that the entire EFIS system had failed in flight, not a good thing on a cold Wisconsin night in blowing snow and low visibility. BAe determined that the issue was caused by the airplanes having been built with no electrical bonding straps between the flight control surfaces and airframe and no electrical bonding between the windscreens and fuselage. Static electricity built up and arced between those surfaces and the arcing caused the EFIS to shut down. My last days at Aur Whisky were spent installing bonding straps. There were other electrical issues too. The ground power relay failed relatively often and could only be accessed by pulling out several rows of seats, then pulling up the carpet and removing a floorboard. That caused long flight delays at the terminal gates, which sure didn't make our passengers happy.

@lanbaode Жыл бұрын

Philippine Airlines in the 1970s and early 1980s operated both the HS748 and YS11.

@stevem-h3562 Жыл бұрын

Im sure I flew into Glasgow in the early 1990s from Stornaway in an ATP... weather was utter shat and there was a lot of windshear. I remember it otherwise as being a very good flight though.

@patkins8319 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video, I do hear the freight ATP's as they continue to ply their trade on internal UK flights from Scotland while working nights. Not sure if I will hear any let alone see any as I transition to working days working out doors

@MorganThomas757 Жыл бұрын

Their days are indeed numbered. You won't see any in the UK anymore. I work for West Atlantic who operates the world's remaining 2 ATPs in Freighter configuration. There are currently 2 operating in Norway, but this is soon to be zero once the contracts for the Norwegian post expire in the next few weeks.

@hans8372 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the informative video! But i'm pretty sure that ATP's flew passangers until the mid 2010s for NextJet in Sweden and not ending passenger services in 2010.

@gabrielqitsualik6885 4 ай бұрын

I would have liked to have a 748 as a private plane, too bad I may never get that chance. I grew up with Twin Otters and HS 748B in Nunavut (NWT as it was known back then)

@ABrit-bt6ce Жыл бұрын

Somewhere I have bits and bobs from the production line. Happy times.

@johnmoruzzi7236 Жыл бұрын

The 748 had a high profile “crash” on takeoff from Stansted with the Leeds United team on board….

@macjim Жыл бұрын

Uk aerospace firms were experts at shooting themselves in the foot…

@johnmoruzzi7236 Жыл бұрын

Lucky BAe didn’t try to make an AEW version to match the Nimrod….

@Rodoeht12345 Жыл бұрын

The last passenger operations of the ATP wasn't in 2010, but in 2018 when NextJet went bankrupt

@Knight6831 Жыл бұрын

I could see in a non-declined British Empire scenario, the UK and Canada using the ATP and DHC-8 to basically strangle the ATR-42 and Fokker 50 out of the market

@andysimpson8974 Жыл бұрын

I used to fly on ATPs from Manchester to Belfast City and back fairly regularly in the late 90s. They were quite noisy but seemed OK from my point of view.

@rob7290 Жыл бұрын

I flew on RNZAF Andovers many times during the 1980s.

@rayjames6096 Жыл бұрын

16.20-Jason Robards in a film role as Howard Hughes.

@raulcrudele1 Жыл бұрын

There was also a Japanese version, the YS11, with 60 passengers capacity. Some of them were operated here in Argentina, by Austral Líneas Aéreas

@grahamfigg5817 Жыл бұрын

The YS11 was a completely different aircraft.

@raulcrudele1 Жыл бұрын

@@grahamfigg5817 Ok, but they had the same engines, and looked pretty much alike. We used to call it "The japanese Avro". By that time Japaneses used to copy everything from Occident

@toomanyuserids Жыл бұрын

While I'm sure they sold a few in the US the US carriers seemed to prefer the T34-powered CV580 conversions of the Convair 340/440.

@hybrid1608 6 ай бұрын

Sorry to correct you but Lympne is pronounced LIMM, I remember as a child watching the first 748s operated at Lympne by Skyways , those Dart engines were very shrill , I hated the sound but loved watching the 748s and old DC-3s at Lympne. My grandfather worked there for a while as a couseage with a very posh uniform.

@Mancozeb100 Жыл бұрын

Another huge amount of research there Ruaridh. Is it my system here, or is there an intermittent drop out of audio - seems to be at "paragraph" changes (for want of a better description!). Sounds the mic has VOX turned on !

@marcusdamberger Жыл бұрын

I hear that too. Some kind of intermittent dropping of audio frames in the recording. I sometimes hear a pop between these dropped frames of audio. I wonder what he is using to record the audio? Maybe it's a mismatch of sampling rate between the recorder and his editing software's audio settings. And the only way the editing software handles it, is by periodically dropping fractions of a second of audio to catch up again.

@skylineXpert Жыл бұрын

Only know of the BAE ATP due to Sun air of scandinavia

@mcjdubpower Жыл бұрын

Gud vid 👍👍👍

@deew6625 Жыл бұрын

LIAT was well known for the 748

@737driver8 6 ай бұрын

Air B.V.I. too

@pascalcoole2725 Жыл бұрын

Unbelievable, Britain created so much incredable aircraft, and we ended up with Boeing and Airbus, what went wrong ?

@marcusdamberger Жыл бұрын

Indeed, what happened to all these amazing manufactures, globalization and consolidation? Way way too much consolidation going on in every industry. What happened to competition? Governments way to willing to allow consolidation happen, or more likely politicians willing to let it happen for reasons..

@Deepthought-42 Жыл бұрын

The British disease: Government and management incompetence

@drstevenrey Жыл бұрын

Afterthought, had Avro taken the basic 748, replaced the engines with more modern units and shorten the wingspan to a sensible length, they would have had a winner. Stretching it was just the perfectly wrong move at the time. This would have been the Saab 340 of the day.

@bunyavissuthisorn5909 Жыл бұрын

... When I was a kid, I was scared by creaky sound of Rolls Royce Dart. Year 1971, my dad once took mom, sister, and me from Phuket to Hatyai. They are a well known provine and a county in Thailand. .........

@uingaeoc3905 Жыл бұрын

I find it strange that Avro levelled accusations against Rolls over the Darts. The engine had been in production since 1949, for the Viscount, and was the powerplant go to of choice for all the big twins of the period, the Herald, the Fokker F 27 and the NAMC YS11 and the Gulfstream I and many others! RM mis-spoke the 7482B was available in 1969 - not 1979. The RAF wanted the Dart Herald Military version but the Air Ministry would not entertain Handley Page as a contractor because it was not one of the Big Two groups of HSA or BAC. The undercarriage issue was to be resolved by it being located in fuselage blisters like the Belfast or Hercules which was a lot more straightforward than the rear kneeling 780 'solution'.

@Knight6831 Жыл бұрын

Would Avro been able to build Avro 730s and Avro 748s at the same time?

@jameshatfield1194 Жыл бұрын

748 was a wonderful aircraft we called it the budgie ATP was a disaster always getting grounded the leading edge anti ice ducts and the fire system were very very unreliable

@jimsvideos7201 Жыл бұрын

I somehow managed to end up working on 748s; what a pain in the ass they were in every sense of the word.

@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329 Жыл бұрын

I never saw that aircraft at all in my life

@awesome-xk8vj Жыл бұрын

Can you make a video taking about all 4 Thompson pacifics. The A1/1, The A2/1's, The A2/2's, and The A2/3's Please. Please respond when you get this please.

@benwilson6145 Жыл бұрын

ATP Another Technical Problem

@greateraviationgl91 Жыл бұрын

I was just even going to say, too: Another Technical Problem

@SimonWallwork Жыл бұрын

Aerospace Taking the Pisss?

@greateraviationgl91 Жыл бұрын

Oooh, that's an Australian Christmas bloody burn 🥵 💯

@simonatwill6865 Жыл бұрын

Ancient Technology Perpetuated

@johnenfield1930 Жыл бұрын

Lympne (near Ashford in Kent, and later renamed Ashford Airport) is pronounced 'Lim', not 'Limpney'

@hybrid1608 6 ай бұрын

Yes I had to comment on that aswell 😊

@egpx Жыл бұрын

Strange as it may seem, Lympne Airport was pronounced 'Lim'.

@cellpat2686 Жыл бұрын

1600 hp for a turboprop engine in 1960 was very weak. Notice how 3 years later they were making twice the horsepower (3200 hp). That's more like it.

@PhantomUAV Жыл бұрын

Not Howard Hughs but a famous actor, (name escapes me soz) great video though as ever.

@6yjjk Жыл бұрын

17:15 Chewie, is that you?

@AzAvShip Жыл бұрын

Nothing nostalgic about these two planes. Both HS748 ATP were in service with SATA Air Azores in the Azores archipelago throughout the 80s (748) 90s and early 2000s (ATP) both planes were underpowered and especially the ATP performed very bad in the Azorean Winter crosswinds. We only noticed how underpowered it was when the Dash 8 Q200s and Q400S began to arrive. There are some nice landings and takeoffs of these planes on my channel.

@tobihaifisch7558 Жыл бұрын

33:59 aka the 'British Empire'...

@senabecool7232 Жыл бұрын

The ATP's biggest issue for me: looks too much like the SAAB 340/2000

@tumakbaluk Жыл бұрын

The British were helping the Swedish with their turboprop airliners at that time. Once the ATP was axed Saab went on to finish the plane on their own.

@senabecool7232 Жыл бұрын

@@tumakbaluk really?

@Knight6831 Жыл бұрын

The 768 was the victim of being too big for the carrier lifts

@ridleyscurry2480 Жыл бұрын

How do you pronounce your name? I've been watching your channel for a few years now, and I can't figure it out.

@davidforman6191 Жыл бұрын

Roo ree mac vay

@mrbluesky2050 Жыл бұрын

..and not a mention of Dan Dare.. sorry Danair......

@tgmccoy1556 Жыл бұрын

MacAvia an American Aerial firefighting outfit. Had. A 748 outfitted with a 1800 gal Retardant tank. Due to the company not paying attention to it's engineering and maintenance people, plus their bookeeper The company failed before the 748 got a contract.