RIP Donald Sutherland aka President Snow.

As far as Lucy Gray being related to the current characters, nothing has been confirmed, but popular theory is that her cousin Maude Ivory (the blonde who did the intro at their show) is Katniss' grandmother - her father's mother - due to strong hints in the book: - In the book Maude Ivory is mentioned to be able to remember any song after only hearing it once, which is something that the books also mentioned about Katniss' father and Katniss herself. - The lake is also something that really only Lucy Gray's family the Covey knew about, yet Katniss' father also knew about it and showed it to her. - And of course the Covey used the word "katniss" for arrowhead/swamp potato, as did her father. - The last bit is about the song The Hanging Tree: in the book Mockingjay, Katniss mentions that her father just sang it once, and when she and Prim started singing it, their parents forbade them from doing so again, and it was the only time her mother ever got furious at her father (since they learned it from him). In the book of Ballad, Lucy Gray performs it in public only once and tells Coriolanus that she was forbidden by the peacekeeper commander from performing it again; she suspects that it's because it's too rebellious, but she says Maude Ivory likes it.

Snow was never nice. He wanted to fit in so bad, im starting to think he never even liked Lucy. Just have a weird obsession with her as a trophy or something.

Lucy Gray's last name isn't Gray. "Baird" is her family name. All the members of the Covey were named after a person from a ballad and a color ("Maude Ivory", "Billy Taupe", etc.). In Lucy Gray's case, she's named after a character in a Wordsworth poem called "Lucy Gray", so her whole name comes from a ballad and happens to include a color. Read the poem - in it, Lucy Gray gets lost and when they look for her they find her footprints in the *snow* and they just kind of end and they don't know if she lived or if she died. Her fate in BOSAS is the same - we don't know if she's alive or dead. With respect to the music - I agree if this were a musical it would have been awful, but it's not. The original trilogy is steeped in a tradition of music. Katniss' mother had been dating the man who would later become the Mayor of District 12, but when she heard Katniss' future father singing, she was swept off her feet and ended up marrying him. He taught Katniss all the traditional songs. Her mom had trouble with the hanging tree song because it was so dark, so her dad wasn't allowed to sing it once her mom found out. Peeta tells the story of first noticing Katniss in kindergarten when the teacher asked who could sing the Valley Song and Katniss immediately raised her hand and started singing. So The Hunger Games trilogy is all about music. It ties the people in the present to their past. The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes gives us the backstory on some of this music - turns out Lucy Gray wrote The Hanging Tree and maybe some of the other old songs that Katniss' dad taught her. As others have pointed out, there's some speculation that Maude Ivory may turn out to be Katniss' paternal grandmother. That would be very cool. And my personal wish is that Lucy Gray comes back to 12, marries, has kids, and we know her as Greasy Sae - the character who in the movies (but not in the books) gave Katniss the mockingjay pin. While you're looking up "Lucy Gray" by Wordsworth, look up the names Coriolanus, Sejanus, Plutarch, Seneca, and any others you can remember from the Capital. The Hunger Games series transcends the young adult fiction genre, embodying elements of modern dystopian classics with rich historical allusions and timeless themes. These works offer profound commentary on society, power, and human nature, securing their place as significant contributions to contemporary literature.

"Rip Donald Sutherland

“She’s got a SNECK” will forever live rent free in my mind now 7:31

I think u guys mixing up between musicals and music in films

Did I just heard Slim Shady Snow? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but also RIP Donald Sutherland

Lucy became very first victor of district 12

And within days of Sutherland's death...what a shame. Great reaction. Can't wait for what comes next.

they knew what they were doing by making snow that fine, i was too distracted to see what his real motives were

" is this a musical " BALLLLADDDDD BALLLAD BALLAD . SONG HELLLO

if only we were all like Lucy, the minute she noticed the red flags she 🏃‍♀

I've only recently discovered your channel, but honestly I'm subscribing cause you guys are some of the only people who notice the small details in the movies and its really interesting when you point out stuff like that!

Rip Donald Sutherland❄️

People say katniss was a fighter forced to perform while Lucy is a performer forced to fight. This movie would’ve greatly profiteered from a narration where you could hear snow’s inner monologue. Early on in the book it’s very apparent what type of character snow, his personality really shine through.

New hunger games book coming out next year

44:54 Ever since this book came out, I’ve loved the idea that Snow witnessed Lucy Gray write this song and perform it and rather than it dying/disappearing with Lucy Gray, it was actually amplified years later and the whole country was singing it right back in his face.

the bombing of the arena happens in the book! it’s such a crazy scene

What do you guys have against music 😭

I like at the end of the movie when Snow is standing in front of the heroic statue there is a rainbow arcing across it, reminding Snow he will never be free of Lucy Gray.

Tigris now mentioning Coryo's complete name.

"Rabies, also known as hydrophobia, causes a fear of water because it causes intense throat spasms when a person tries to swallow. The spasms can be excruciatingly painful, and even the thought of swallowing water can cause them."

My favorite part about this story is that the two main male characters names both end with a n u s hahaha

A lot of the book is the debate between if you’re born evil (that’s what Snow’s teacher thinks, that’s why she pushes the hunger games as something necessary) or if you’re evil because of your circumstances (that’s Lucy, she says we are born good and it’s our responsibility to keep that side of the line). With Snow we get his backstory, not to feel empathic towards him but to see how he chooses his greed over and over again. We only see Lucy from Snow’s perspective that’s why she’s kinda like a “manic pixie dream girl” in a sense it’s because Snow never fully understands her. There’s a quote that says at the end “Goodbye Lucy Gray, he hardly ever knew you” that incapsulates her character perfectly. I recommend watching the video from Clockwork reader, she does an amazing work at explaining this in more depth.

I was waiting for it!!!

For 19:59 I'm saying this before yall get to the end and hear Dean high bottom say that he Tried every way to stop the games but why would the rebels wait to do that exactly it . Had to be someone captiol

Y’all something just occurred to me…so the book makes it very clear Snow is basically a total sociopath and possibly a paranoid schizophrenic, as he was shooting at the sky hearing the Mockingjays sing her song (which mind you they only whistle tunes, jabberjays copy) he was shooting AFTER he just placed something wrapped in a sheet into the lake and it sank, only then did he realize Lucy Gray wasn’t around but how much time had past? Note it was raining when they got there and he was dry after putting something into the lake. But he still had the gun…it’s very possible he killed her the moment she started to run away and he blocked it out of his mind as to divert his guilt. Instead he forced himself further into insanity wondering about her. It looked like he was only shooting at a vision of her, I’m starting to believe it was a memory blip as her footsteps stop there but if you look at the ground the mud has a big space that looks like a small body fell there, where her jewelry happened to be. It’s highly speculated Maude Ivory the cousin of Lucy Gray is Katniss and Prims grandmother Fun fact: Snakes take cover under whatever they can when it rains, it’s also likely Lucy Gray only dropped it while running and the snake happened to be there, seems to be a lot in that forest.

The actor who played Lucy Gray was Rachel Zegler. She was Maria in Spielberg's 'West Side Story' for which she won a Golden Globe. But maybe not your cup of tea since it is a musical.

Her last name isn't Gray, it's Baird, her full name is Lucy Gray Baird, and Gray is also not a middle name, Lucy gray is her first name.

the covy names themselves after ballads but the same last names

Lucy gray made the Snake Cold hearted😢 .Rise (president Snow)😂

Are you really surprised of the music when the movie is called The BALLAD of Songbirds and Snakes? 😂🙃

I'm patiently waiting for Loki lol

So it’s not so much that rabies causes FEAR of water, it makes you hydrophobic. It alters saliva production, which causes painful muscle spasms in the throat that make swallowing difficult. In the late stages of the disease, even the thought of water can cause severe muscle spasms.

The wespons in this movie were more like how in pictured them when I read the first book. Rustic, crude, and makeshift, rather than chrome, polished and tactical. So sad about Sutherland. I wonder if Kiefer might play Snow when they do the next movie.

What exactly is your guys' problem with music? It's beautiful and can add alot to a story, and the songs in this movie are really good! Rachel Zegler (the actress for Lucy Gray) has an AMAZING voice, the lyrics are powerful and they just generally sound nice.

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I really enjoyed this movie and the book!

great reaction! i saw that you guys react to marvel, are you going to be reacting to the x men franchise?

Not saying is this a "musical" its BALLAD, BALLAD OF SONGBIRDS AND SNAKES

Good god, Snow is NOT NICE! He is a selfish possessive opportunistic psychopath. The movies made him look like a decent person when if you read the book you should know better. His thoughts are repugnant.

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I haven’t read the books. Have anyone read how tigris became all tatted up? What did snow do to her and why?

Rip Donald Sutherland 🙏

14:14 I’m not blaming you sir for coming to that prediction, but this is why I hated this movie adaptation. You can’t see it but Snow is already messed up in the head. He’s always been evil.

This movie has some things that I don't think were good enough, the whole third act felt a little dragging. But in general i really enjoyed this movie. A lot of people say it is not a good adaptation because it makes Snow more sympathetic than he actually was in the book but I think this was intentional and a really good choice. For visual media, you need to empathize with the protagonist in some way and unlike the book, we don't have an internal monologue that helps us understand the character. So the best next choice is to make the character likeable, at least at the start, so we could even care about them and what happens to them. Making Snow have a little humanity and approachable at the start, makes the story more interesting and compelling in my opinion.

The first twilight, twilight new moon,twilight eclipse , then the twilight breaking dawn part 1 and part 2

Marvel time, now?

why don't you guys make a reaction on House of the Dragons season 2 I guess you guys watched the first season since you're a fan of GOT

U should watch the movies of twilight

a disney movie