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That's very sad I can t imagine the hell all these people were subject, it's a truely sick case.. I'm very sorry.

oh, brother, i'm sorry

@@bailey1493 What I don’t understand is that when Paul Cosner disappeared, why didn’t the police look into his phone records of the last people he spoke with I.e. the supposed callers of his newspaper ad. Wouldn’t that come back to Leonard Lake and if they did so wouldn’t they see that Lake had a criminal history. I think the police lacked in effort for what they considered smaller cases at the time. Small mysteries sometimes lead to bigger ones, they all deserve attention. May the victims rest with the Lord and those cowards that killed them pay eternally.

Thank you for your post. Lovely tribute. RIP

Its true but the world is such a messed up place....she was given immunity

If she were a black woman, surely she would have been indicted. Just to show that there's no justice in the white man's court.

Pretty rich coming from someone, calling himself Jason Vorhees, oh the sweet irony🤣🤣🤣

@@ToMegaTherion666 did it ever occur to you that there may just might be someone with the same name walking this planet?

@@BigAlWillis ur pfp says otherwise....but nice try😉

Mastermind that walked...

It's crazy to me how just because investigators wanna get someone, they're willing to let someone like her go free in exchange for a testimony that she didn't even give.

For sure. Psychologically one really has to assume she knew something. What & how much I’d guess they have to interview her & maybe even polygraph. But that can also obfuscate the facts & truth so only when needed. If I was an investigating cop I’d’ve been interviewing her extensively for sure.

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They should of taken that deal off the table since she didn't give them anything of importance that helped their case

She needs date with Sparky

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Agreed! What a pos

She will get her punishment.

If she was an accomplice, karma will definitely visit her. She will reap whatever she sown. No crime goes unpunished!

I'll add this. If claralyn was a submissive to them, It's logical th that she would not feel guilty about it because she was told what to do. That it's not her idea, so it's not her fault. I agree karma is a b*tch!

Karma is a myth. Lots of evil people live long, easy lives.

That is one of my fears when I buy a property. Imagine you see a property on sale and you think you're getting a good deal and then as you try to plant a garden, you end up finding a dead body. That would be horrible.

Imagine buying that property and living there. Damn.

why everything should be found?

@@Rock.manithan So that the families of the victims can finally know what happened to them and rebury the remains properly.

I don’t think they ever find everything,or tell everything they find

Ng was caught in Canada, but they are facing the same plague as California so your point still stands.

@@peepopoo4387The shoplifting was in SF Ng fled to Canada

Exactly. What I am seeing with the live stream stringers who chase ambulances and crime. Many calls go unanswered in SF or it is told that they don't bother in the high crime area's.

​@@peepopoo4387😂

@@Smorss2011 FRONTLIE BETTER NAME FOR THAT SHOW this was so obvious case SHE HID, DESTROYED ALL THE CUSTOMER BASE of SNUFF FILM operation selling to rich in LA [period] totally blown by THE POLICE, FBI [PERIOD] AND FILMS

Sick

They needed date with Sparky

I think it’s pretty bad, but I would think that killing the mother in front of a baby is just a bit worse. Neither of them are good though.

How could a defense attorney defend video of ing torturing and sexually asulting victims. Im gonna believe you or lying eyes.

Sometimes you gotta make deals to get the more important stuff as angry as that will make us

Well, she is going to hell, so there's guilt for the rest of life on earth and straight to hell!!

@@TheSinimatik I know, but usually such immunity deals are dependent on you actually contributing something. This woman didn't contribute anything

Need enough evidence

@@gabrieltomete4751 right? that’s a big difference.

why do you call them horrific monsters?

@@Rock.manithan If someone took your baby and killed it , what would you call them

Um you just prob pinged every law enforcement agency. Scary response

I absolutely agree !!!! She is disgusting and I'm sure that she and lake's mother removed things the night before that surely would have implicated her.

female privilege at its best

same a Karla Homolka up here.. got a sweet 10 year deal and never applied for parole, served full term so she could disappear.

@maureenstevens6824 Why are you calling her useless women?

​@@Rock.manithan..she was useless... She was in it up to her eyeballs and wanted to save her own butt,, the State should have said,, well okay immunity for all that serious stuff, BUT THEN come up with another charge that isn't specifically about homicide but rather a charge of failure to report a capital crime or something,, ANYTHING to slap her behind bars for basically screwing over the prosecution....

Well said. I can’t even begin to imagine what fear, horror, pain, suffering, torture that those poor victims/children had to endure…. I just can’t…. 😭it’s absolutely shattering that they had to suffer such a horrific death by the hands of those PUTRID VILE MONSTERS! The worst part is I believe they all got off easy without any suffering whatsoever. No justice at all for the families of the victims/ victims themselves. So sad.

@joan why do you call them psychopath?

@@Rock.manithanare you f@cking kidding me?

Rock, what would you call them?

​@@Rock.manithanNig had a lil ✏️

Because its california.

That’s our country. Stupid bs one way or another. She wan’t convicted per Deputy Chief of Inspectors Joseph Lordan “without her we would be many steps behind in our investigation…”. Though she never received immunity. Like that matters. Our country is so tied up with bs in our judicial system, I highly doubt there is any way she will ever be tried. But truthfully, there is likely a substantial lack of evidence to prove she was actually involved (yeah yeah, I don’t like it either, but that’s our system).

I wonder if these 2 went to cabin to bury the videos. The soil was loose where these were buried.

They are worse

​​@@888Longballthere used to be a video of her online on liveleak or gore website where she talks about how it would be nice to lure underage girls to the cabin. A genuine Clara Lynn btw. I found her facebook later couple of yrs back and she has grandkids. Sickening world...

why do you depict them as devils?

Where are the actors? Those are the real people..

Clean weed? What does that even mean?

Jesus Christ! Can you kick down some of that luck?!

@@harryparsons2750 Back in the days weed had seeds in them

@@harryparsons2750 you could be trimming Marijuana plants and removing stems and seeds for resale

Holy shit

So see

Who knows how much they’ve been abused and forced against their will and threatened with not just there own painful deaths but anyone they’ve cared for too …. You’d keep ur mouth shut too!

@@aftercarecarez Hell no! I’d rather die than let countless women be tortured and murdered and know about it. Keeping quiet is for cowards!

Am also for life sentence of the wife and mother, the court was not fair

Their women that’s why no matter how much people like to say were equal we’re not treated as such!!

It does suck, and it's beyond belief how anyone can be so cruel!!! I will share with you how I would be able to get some sort of peace!! The Bible tells us that we will eventually turn to ashes, and that our earthly body is just a shell that God gives us for our short journey on "this" Earth! But the most important thing that can't be destroyed is ...our "Soul"!!! Our "Soul" belongs to only GOD, as long as we accept Gods Son into our lives, and believe that God's Son, Jesus Christ, died for our sins on the Cross!!! "Merry Christmas Everyone"!!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Dear God, those poor families, it is so incredibly cruel 😔 I think they're evil and straight from hell who live to torture people's hearts, minds, and souls, and kill God's beautiful creations.

My cousin was one of their victims. Jeffery Dean Gerald

@@jesinotermann7999 Very sorry for your loss🙏

@@jesinotermann7999 So sorry for your, and your families loss. I hope you have been able to find some peace.

Charles Ng got caught shoplifting in Calgary, Alberta. When he was in jail there, he was put in with a guy I knew, Maurice Laberge! Maurice had been in my home many times. He "WASN'T" a friend of mine, he would come over with my neighbour. Maurice always gave me the creeps, big time! This was before he got into all the horrific trouble he got into, and I mean bad trouble! Won't mention all of it in this forum. But he was bad to the core! Anyway, while he was in Calgary lock-up, him and Charles had some intersting conversations. Then I guess after some years I believe it was, Charles finally got extridited back to California. After some time, Ng started sending Laberge some really gruesome and graphic letters with drawings of brutally torturing his victims. I don't think he gave their names, just brutal drawings of his victims. And one of the pics was of the "baby" of the couple he raped, tortured, and murdered!! (Sick, demented physco.). To keep it short, Laberge wanted a deal with the prosecutor in Calgary. He'd tell what he knew from his conversations with Ng and give them the drawings if they'd let him out of jail early. He also wanted, it was either $25,000 cash and something else, just can't remember right now, but close enough. AND he got what he asked for, but he'd have to testify for the prosecution! Here's a freaky part...just before Laberge was set to testify, he was involved in a fatal car accident and was killed! Car went up in flames and they could only identify him through dental records!!! There's those that thought it was suspicious! I also knew his brother and sister. I heard because his sister took his death so bad, she walked into a lake and drowned herself! She was a bit older and had children!!! It's so damn sad how his life choices ruined so many lives.like I said, I know alot more about Laberge, but out of respect for the people involved, I'll leave it at that!!! Leonard Lake committed suicide as you probably know, after Ng got caught shoplifting, so the whole brutal ordeal was left hanging Charles Ng. And he's where he needs to be! It's just sadder and scarier when you know some of these monster's!!!

@@FLo-jc7ig holy crap, thanks for sharing

@@jnny7182 Your welcome!!! Very scarey people!!!

@t0pd0g She gave Karla vibes from Ken & Barbie Killers.

A lot of serial killers are caught by accident. They make a mistake and are discovered.

We also don’t know what they know we don’t though. The law isn’t in the business of letting criminals go … I feel like they saw something on those tapes that made her in fact a victim

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What amazes me is the amount of times we see women involved in heinous crimes it seems willingly. Like, how do they know, how do they come together like this? Epstein case in recent years for example with G. Maxwell's involvement! Fred West murders in the double digits, his wife willingly taking part in luring victims into the web.

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She got immunity, how'd you miss that

@@TheRoadhammer379 All woman have immunity

what do you mean by God?

​@@Rock.manithanIt's a figure of speech.

It's not a figure of speech, Also don't get involved with answering this 12 year old troll.

@@hhealy7199 👀😜

Yeah, she was granted immunity for nothing basically and walked

The stolen car of a missing person should have been their first clue. Find the car.

@gamaraallen215 why is it heartbreaking when someone doesn't get justice?

@@Rock.manithanwhat kinda dumb question is that 😭

IMMUNITY

Luckiest bitch on the planet.

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I just don’t know how a woman would support these baby killers

@@youtubeis... Don’t be serious. One of them would bathe in the blood of babies if thought it would take away wrinkles

Word.

Seems exactly like the "the deal with the devil" in the paul bernardo karla holmoka case. She told them where the videos theymade documenting their crimes were hidden. under the guise of a berated wife a deal was struck given here reduced sentence priveleges in Jail and anonymity when her sentence was up. The videos proved she was just as much if not more involved with the rapes as her husband. She served 5 Years in Kingston Penitentiary got a Psychology degree with honours while in prison paid for by taxpayers then moved to Jamaica and started working as a child therapist... i wish i was making this up

The woman who probably mastermind the whole thing got away with it And the dude was just the biggest wast of space ever

*fantasies.

@de.calebrobbins why is it criminally insane?

Clara Lynn was twisted like they were. She most likely was there while some of this happened

@_letstartariot why is that gut wrecnhing and heartbreaking?

@@Rock.manithan if you think about how much they suffered, the fear and terror they felt. That is gut wrenching and heartbreaking.

Especially the women that also had their babies with them when abducted. If you can't imagine the grief along with their own torture then I suppose you're a bot or a psychopath yourself.

​@@Rock.manithanDuh! What a st*pid question!

FRONTLIE IS BETTER NAME FOR THAT SHOW this was so obvious case SHE HID DESTROYED ALL THE CUSTOMER BASE of SNUFF FILM operation selling to rich in LA [period] totally blown by THE POLICE, FBI [PERIOD] AND FILMS

Neither of them were fat they didn’t try that hard to make this lol

The re-enactments were kinda cringy. I kinda wish they didn’t go to the trouble

As I understand it, it's not the owners or employees of this channel who made the video, they basically bought the rights to transmit it. It's an old video.

The actor who played Charles NG was awful

Well those youtubers get their info from these proper docos so you can't compare.

Ye cause these are literally re-uploaded docs that were on tv..........

@@matthoward7645 yeah that was my point..........

@@jarvis911 if that was your point you must be terrible at getting your points across 🤣 everything made for tv is going to be easier to watch then a 22yr old talking about a true crime 15/20/30yrs back that's not even a comparable thing really is it.......... 🤣

@@matthoward7645 well they're both crime documentaries I'd say that's pretty comparable. Bro are you really spending Christmas arguing with a random on the Internet over semantics? I'm taking a shit right now and I'm gonna be here for a while, I hope you had a good Christmas.

She made a deal. Is she a hit man, too? Did she know they were selling real snuff films out of Playboy magazine...? She sure stuck by that guy or something and that's the kind of thing women will do. He might have brainwashed the woman. Both men may have brainwashed her and it looks like the kind of thing those guys'd do.

It appears what u should really be asking is what an immunity agreement does 🤔

Cops didn't wanna do there job so they took the easy way out. N gave the wife a deal so she would spill the beans on them.

@@reztip-406_mt3 but I don’t see she helped any.

@@reztip-406_mt3 and she barely gave them much beans

The ex wife and the mother were both given full imunity if they testified on behalf on of the prosecution. Smh. It's pathetic. I would have said Fuck a deal for those two... they are equally as guilty. They all make me sick 🤢🤮

You can't tell people not to do something without the authority to do so. The cops knew they didn't have the authority, so they asked them not to. Got thirty minutes still to watch but the narrator is making shite up, Why he is doing that, don't know and I'm out.

Hope some righteous soul takes matters into their own hands, if these 2 scumbag ladies are still alive

Correct

@tracy why do you call them discusting psychopaths?

Well..there’s more. Domestic abusers People with anger issues Sadistic people Pedophiles Sociopaths Serial killers People with deranged mental disorders etc Unfortunately, a lot of people. People like you and me would think such an act is unfathomable but such people exist. This is why society should be more aware and alert with their kids.

@@blueshoes5145 all psychopaths

I despise people who harm kids, animals or anyone else who's vulnerable x

@@blueshoes5145It wasn’t actually a question

@@blueshoes5145 Yeah. So many it’s so disgusting, horrific and disturbing. How many people would do harm to a child.

I have duel citizenship with Canada and I COULDNT AGREE WITH YOU MORE. PUT ASSHOLES LIKE THIS ON THE NEXT PLANE TO AMERICAN JUSTICE..

@thepsdkytraveller3870 rest in peace? where?

She needs old Sparky

With the overwhelming evidence and even VIDEO of the actual killings, it seems completely unnecessary that her testimony was even needed for the prosecution. I know that in certain cases it is necessary to make a deal with the devil, but this doesn't compare to those. Giving that woman complete immunity was, in my estimation, unnecessary and a travesty.

@@joanodom2104 sure it was, but sadly women still get preferential treatment in courts. Are you familiar with the crimes and trials (or lack thereof) of Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka? Another one that got a far more lenient sentence than she deserved.

PSSST...SELECT YOUR WORDING ACCORDINGLY AS NO MALE WAS RAIL ROADED. THESE GUYS WERE GUILTY AS HELL

@@williamtobin7282 well done missing the point of the comment. Was that intentional or are you just that obtuse?

@@williamtobin7282 and why all caps? Are you shouting or just confused about how capitalization works?

its bleak. depravity

right

We came across it tonight, too and we've seen it before and last night, too. This one gets us. Also, they advertised the videos and drug business in magazines big magazines which we recall seeing their ads. A guy told us he said the movies are real that they are selling in those magazines back when they were doing that in the 80's. Our phone was bugged by the CIA at the time, but the CIA didnt stop them. We did see the CIA get involved in trying to stop people hitchchiking though and with this other serial killer it seems sthey warned people. Noone in TExas would listen though. Someone warned them. We saw that one girl get kidnapped at the beach by 2 serial killers and they banned all hitchhiking after that. They'd hitchhike up and down teh beach on Spring Break and they'd kidnap someone every year from there, too. WE also saw the other serial killer kill someone one night. The cIA doesnt get involved. Of course the films were real. So there were 20 victims in the back yard that means they sold about 20 videos or so. They advertised them as they'd use their name in a snuff film or whatever. There's a big difference between acting and real life. It's shocking.

@@jgthhcfbgyujvfr6025 The guy's mother taught him to photograph nude kids as a child to teach him it's natural beauty. You have to teach kids on their level though. What's normal photography classes for adults may not be for kids.

When it repetitively repulses one then you know your not like one of them, your better than that and its a good feeling to know you've chosen the right side and not the sewer side of life .God Bless

Yes she most likely helped them torture and kill those ppl. She knew what was buried on the property and she obstructed the investigation. Now she’s running around free and I wouldn’t be surprised if she continued where they left off 😑

She was smarter than them all... Sadly

She must have known EXACTLY what was happening! Absolutely DISGUSTING! She is just as guilty and should be six feet under or given the death penalty. This whole case was just pure evil.

She was definitely an accomplice. The police should have come after anyone who knew her to see what they had witnessed before they gave her immunity.

why do you call then despicable people? and what do you mean by "God"?

Yeah she was given immunity in exchange for nothing and walked free

it's more creepy because they wanted to spend so much time on the victims rather than most end it quickly. These animals made their boyfriends watch then kept them locked up like lab rats for who knows how long. I just wish the dude didn't poison himself & went to prison so the prisoners would do the real justice, but he took the coward way out.

Killed 2 babies

Maybe it's that there's more to this case that they didn't mention. The part about the movies they were making. This one's shocking. These kinds of films. The victimes seem to be their neighbors and anyone they came in contact with. They seem to be using martial arts to us and just conquesting- stealing camera equipment when they want they kill for it. The woman with the kid was easy for them to overcome after they took her husband over for the video equipment. Those good cameras cost thousands of dollars. They were just renting them out though. Bet it was expensive and they were just selling videos for like whatever in the back of magazines. So they couldn't afford pro equipment for that video sell idea. It wasn't that expensive to buy their snuff films. That was a child bone in the one video picture the rib bone. Our parents they dug up a body at one of their houses once and we remember seeing the rib bones in the trash can sitting out on the block. yeah how they killed everyone they met. We just don't trust people anymore. They killed 2 kids at least. He told her they gave the kid to another family to raise yeah right. They killed the baby. The kid would need a false ID.

There were two babies

​@@BigAlWillisat least we know he went straight to hell, since the longer people are gifted life, the longer they have to see the error in their ways. I think maybe it was best to have this case over and done with as quick as possible

Why take 3 weeks??

why are you glad when justice is brought?

I am not enraged when monsters exact punishment on themselves. Sure it would have brought some satisfaction to see them tried and punished. Think of the countless others they might have killed had they not been stopped, even if it was by their own hands. Good riddance, I say. Saves taxpayers money too.

Think about the police that had to watch the tapes in entirety! That has to be traumatic and life changing.

They are paying for their crimes in hell. Best believe God does not let them go unpunished even in death.

Them tapes gave me nightmares

@@trock6921 gave the cops ptsd and mental problems that's for sure.

@soulflower8697 why do you call them sick monsters?

Yeah, pretty ironic given he was a so called “survivalist”. I remember thinking that at the time even. I lived in the Bay Area back then. My GF at the time was crazy about the renaissance faire (I was less so but went with her a few times) and apparently a few years Lake had a stand by the entrance with a “unicorn” (some animal with horn pasted on) so I’m sure I’ve walked by the person.

@@shader26 I am picturing him as a unicorn at the faire. Wow. Women would think how endearing he was which shows you can't usually know a serial killer just by looking at him. Who would think a guy like Lake would even be at a Renaissance Faire let alone dressed as a unicorn?!? I have never heard or read that before after reading & watching so much about the case. Thanks for sharing that. I live in Southern California and when I drove up North through that area, I couldn't help but shudder when I saw a similar area with a house very far off a winding road. They really did have a secluded spot. As far your GF wanting to go to Renaissance Faires, I felt the same back in the day.😁

@@vickicali yeah, I can still recall it dawning on me that that faire is a magnet for just folks like my GF back then, but also god knows. I don’t why but one time seeing a guy that had a parrot on his shoulder dressed as a pirate and being kinda loud and weird, specially towards the women also gave me a flash of insight, thinking “this is a guy you wouldn’t want to have around a woman in any secluded place” and it wasn’t Lake. Well, I don’t actually know as he was heaven set and bearded, but… yeah that struck me at the time when I read Lake had been at that faire.

@@shader26 The sheer terror & suffering their victims went through still really impacts me. They had no idea what kind of depravity they were in for when meeting that gruesome duo. It does make me think twice when meeting someone and I am sure it's the same for others who know this case.

I wondered that too but the police were extra alert- Wiki: The arresting officer noticed that Lake bore no resemblance to the photo on his California driver's license, which bore the name of Robin Scott Stapley, a San Diego man reported missing by his family several weeks earlier. The Honda was registered to Paul Cosner, who disappeared from San Francisco on November 2, 1984, after leaving his apartment to show the car to someone interested in purchasing it. The car's license plate was registered to yet another missing person, Lonnie Bond, of Wilseyville. The gun was registered to Stapley. He knew he was *****d.

I’m late commenting on this, but this is not original content made by this channel- it’s a television program that aired about 20 years ago on cable. Too many people seem very confused about this, so I want you to know too! Haha Cheers 🥂

He was camping in fish creek but APPREHENDED at the Hudson Bay company in down town calgary.. just pointing out the facts :)

The police who worked this case have life long trauma (PTSD) from it.

I think justice would be truer if ng was executed, I mean what's the point of death row when this abomination is still alive.

TOOOOOOOOOOO long to prosecute!

Hard to give kudos to those who gave Claralyn Balazs full immunity. If the information from this program is accurate, then it honestly blows my mind how that happened.

@@NomadHokie yep somebody should be fired!

I love to read also. I had book shelves of books,mostly true crime. My kids said if anything happened to my husband & police saw all the books about murder I'd be in trouble..lol..they were joking of course. ( he died 5yrs ago, age 70 from cancer) But now only books I can read are on my kindle, I can enlarge the print. I used to get large print books at the library but it's better for me to just use my kindle.

I love documentaries like this but haven't tried to read books...can you suggest titles where I can start off?

U have to be like them to torture them

Randy Kraft is one of the absolute worse

Careful now. You don't want to sound like you are in awe of those monsters.

Ng was so violent he thought he can flash a silencer and steal. HE also sold drugs so he may have been high. It was a violent robbery. And he had that gun in the car. When he got caught stealing in Chicago he pulled the gun, too and tried to shoot the security guard. He was probably a violent hit man out of Asia where they have a- lot of martial arts. To go in and steal like that takes some nerve. A- lot of people do pety theft, but still- he did it out in the open. He was daring the guy to call the police on him.

Actually, Lakes wife and her big mouth lead to a field of bodies. If that dummy didn't mention the cabin.

why do you call them criminals?

How expensive is the ridiculous Trump trial in comparison going to be! The lawyers here are also stuffing their pockets!

Yeah things and people get lost,.. But never disappear… 💯 They are somewhere 🤷🏼‍♂️ What scary Fu*ks those “men”!!

Thats false.. There are plenty of people that disappear bye there own free will.. Alot less now because of people using debit cards. And so many CCTV/Camras and smart phones.

If you would have looked at how many who actually run away from life situasions, Would make you understand why the police is hesistant at times

@@toprap88 Yeah i know but they still don't disappeared, they are either somewhere or dead, but to just disappeared nah.

take a life lose your life should be the rule

I know, right ? It's a common enough thing for anyone who knows a bit about such things. 😂

It's literally an old doc re-uploaded it's really not 'amazing work' it's ATV doc that got uploaded by a legit looking channel like almost all of these documentaries and channels

Best or one of!

IT does not compute

@@matthoward7645 amazing spectacular out of this world a blessing from God this s video is the best

What a sweet loving soul you are. ❤

@fjbon1681 why are you sorry for the baby? and how how do you define a baby?

Fr cost me nightmares especially after I saw some of the videos of the women that they were abusing smh sickening!!

😂😂😂

Poor people probably need years of therapy to recover from that trial. Sick fucks.

Entirely possible. A guy named Roy got caught and got life for a torture trailer he had and the fbi agent who was assigned the job of drawing sketches of the inside, WENT HOME AND TOOK HER OWN LIFE ! FACT so yha..if one sees enough depraved shit it can and will have long term effects on one's psyche. Hopefully they got therapy to get through the hell of it all

As good as this documentary is, there's a lot left out. The case is so multi-faceted that you have to read/watch other content to get more of the story. Charles Ng somehow called one of the jurors at home and made threats, in an attempt to force a mistrial. That juror had nightmares for years after that. He also had plans to escape and murder the prosecutors, the judge, and jury members. That's how diabolical this man is mentally.

cricket is probably a psychopath as well... she doesnt hide who she is and in at least one instance bragged about it a little bit...

The attorney who actually represented him during his trial worked for the public defenders office. He was hesitant to take the case because the evidence that needed to be reviewed to be prepared for the trial was so immense that Ngs lawyers before Kelley estimated it could take up to three years for their replacement counsel to be able to get prepared for the case. Working as the public defender he has limited options to truly turn down the case. This wasn’t a pro bono case - it was a court appointment which was Kelley’s job so he was paid whatever he would be paid in his job for the case. As for pro bono work for attorneys it’s certainly recommended and desired but not a requirement. The struggle for this case is that if the court appoints you to represent a client you have to show good cause to decline the appointment which is usually going to be conflict of interest, inability to work with the client, not being able to competently represent the client, or extend financial hardship to represent them. So if this was pro bono for instance, requiring Kelley to spend six years focused almost entirely on this case, it would have been that financial extreme. Kelley was removed at one point largely because Ng was trying to fire him but he was brought back on. Kelley requested to exit the case because Ng didn’t trust him and wouldn’t listen to him but it got to a point where it had cost tax payers so much and had taken so much time that it got pushed through to an extent.

@@Matt-cr4vv thanks for that extra info! Appreciate it.

oh come on! life is not that way, I have lived in USA and abroad and do not feel that way at all.

@@kilnmaster good for you you must be invisible.

Huh? Most people are decent enough…just have some self awareness and knowledge of human behavior and you’ll be fine.

@@kilnmaster Paranoid people like the one you’re replying to don’t really go out much anyway so it wouldn’t affect them anyway.

@@l9685 Your either - not from America OR - you live in the ghetto OR - Your just paranoid and watch too much sensationalized news ? Either way, chicken little - buy a gun OR - Move OR - QUIT watching boogie man tv

They are all COWARDS when caught.