The Illusion of Free Will | Sam Harris, Schopenhauer and Nietzsche

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Who choose to read this? Why did your aye fall on this video? Was that your voluntary choice, your conscious decision? Okay, then where do your thoughts come from? Do you think them yourself? Upon closer inspection we will find that our consciousness is not what we thought that it was, that maybe our created ego is not in control of our choices and actions. What if all this free will was always an illusion?
---Contents of this video --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0:00 - Intro
1:00 - Part I: Thinking Thoughts
10:30 - Part II: Accountability in the name of God
15:07 - Part III: The Road to Compassion and Choice
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@edgregory1
@edgregory1 2 жыл бұрын
I've been grieving over a recent decision. This video has helped.
@kimyunmi452
@kimyunmi452 Жыл бұрын
Yes..buy book by amy karofsky "the case for necessitarianism" and " determinism, death and meaning" by stephen maitzen. I promise you..just by reading these 2 books..no more retrospective regrets ever again in your life :)
@happyvalleykid6324
@happyvalleykid6324 Жыл бұрын
Holy _shit,_ what an articulate, well-said, and well-edited video that summarized my own thoughts better than I ever have on my own. This is genius. As another commenter said: _instant subscribe._
@nargizasaydullaxnoa9713
@nargizasaydullaxnoa9713 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for helping to understand the "Fre Will"😊😊😊
@InfinityBlue4321
@InfinityBlue4321 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. In the end, it essentially shows the obvious contradictions and total failure of the reasoning behind the claim that free will ultimately does not exist. I wonder why this more or less absurd idea of the absence of free will persists in philosophy. Regardless of the degree to which the environment determines individual behaviour and decisions, there is always a choice. The claim that the unconscious determines decisions and therefore cancels out responsibility is absurd. Even in the context of religious social pressure, there have always been sinners by choice. They know that a certain action is wrong, but they find a way to justify it.
@TheAmishUpload
@TheAmishUpload 5 ай бұрын
But did those individuals choose to have a brain which would sin by choice, knowing it is wrong?
@lxstcheckll9348
@lxstcheckll9348 27 күн бұрын
@@TheAmishUploadfree will is to act bud not to ask why should this be created in my body. This is the dumbest claim because humans performed sexual reproduction and it creates a long time to develop the complex organism called homo sapiens.
@jonathanboram7858
@jonathanboram7858 2 жыл бұрын
My first real philosophical crisis was after reading Spinoza and doubting free will. I still think there is a good chance free will doesn't exist, but it's not totally certain
@johannesdecorte434
@johannesdecorte434 2 жыл бұрын
Of course it's certain: there is not a single argument for free will let alone proof. How is this still an issue in the 21st century?
@commandvideo
@commandvideo 2 жыл бұрын
We can't even define free will !
@nova8091
@nova8091 9 ай бұрын
@@commandvideo then become a scientist for a minute with me. Nobody can study what you were thinking they can get a vague approximation based on physical results, but they can’t actually get your Into your inner experience, so use your own rational mind and if you’re using it, that means that you’re free congratulations instead of relying upon external factors to explain what’s going on inside, just directly experience was actually happening. You’ll realize how stupid the rest of it is.
@frankteng
@frankteng 2 ай бұрын
There is determinism if you consider all the variables but that’s such a pointless matter to consider when talking about the human experience and the free will we live. We have been evolving to control our animalistic desire to give us the option of free will, to teach outselves the patterns of life and from their decide the move we wish the make. Free will is the final evolutionary stage of mankind
@frankteng
@frankteng 2 ай бұрын
@@nova8091exactly, deterministic free will not existing is a pointless meaningless argument. What matters is the free will we experience
@frankteng
@frankteng 2 ай бұрын
Free will seems to be an evolution of our culture and religion to teach us to control the physical aspects of our life and thus have the cognitive free will to decide with the morality we have chosen
@wintermute3402
@wintermute3402 Жыл бұрын
Your videos stir within my unconscious a fantasy to suffer in new ways that I cannot even imagine, so that I can be a mirror in which others can project their own primordial fears and inspire new horrors to amuse themselves with the way H.P. Lovecraft did.
@DAMIANTORO
@DAMIANTORO Жыл бұрын
Really good content my friend
@maartennetwerken
@maartennetwerken 2 жыл бұрын
What makes this so difficult, I think, is that we view our ego, our persona and ourself as different entities than our physical mind. We think therefore we are is true, because all we are is "that what thinks". Without "that what thinks" there could never be the perception of the ego. Through its own complexity the mind tricks us into being (or having) something more than merely itself. In my opinion "the artifact of free will" is also a result of this. If we separate what "we" do from what the unconscious causes it to do there will always be a possibility of accountability and considering things as choice. The "I" becomes responsible for what it is forced to do. Of course the church manipulated this into a power structure. However, they might always argue that the human is more than its physical mind and that a metaphysical entity (such as a soul) could play the role of the observer and judge of what the physical mind causes the physical body to do. This then being almost similar to a super-ego, ego, id structure as described by Freud. This conflict between the predetermined devine will and conscience (knowledge of good and evil, free will etc.) can be found all over religious history. I think it may even explain many of the divisions and conflicts between religious cultures.
@toxendon
@toxendon Жыл бұрын
Instant subscribe
@_c0sm0_52
@_c0sm0_52 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@maxr.k.pravus9518
@maxr.k.pravus9518 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know more about choices without consciousness. At first it seems a bit oxymoronic since our choices are based on what we will or desire. So how does that work, how to conceive of choices without free will?
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 2 жыл бұрын
I would say that making choices is one of the primary things that animals and humans do. Only for humans the tools to make these decisions is a bit bigger than for most animals. When we were children we made choices but in our brain were lets say two possibilities that we learned from observing our parents i.e. lets say this is represented by 2 neuron connections. By no means does this have to come to our consciousness since consciousness is as Lacan describes the language that we acquire to "rationalise". But then when we are older we have instead of 2, maybe 5 neuron connections. And which one wins in a particular choice is effected by your mood, your surroundings, the circumstances, etc. Consciousness is then merely the rationalisation of the choice that was made. The best way to experience this choice making in the absence of "free will", is when you leave the house and doubt if locked the front door, most often you did, but you were not conscious. Or when you curse at someone in traffic when they cut you off, you are angry but not by choice. Now, if you have a lot of knowledge like Schopenhauer described, you can train yourself to react differently in these situations. In the end, think of consciousness as the language that we have to describe the events that took place, even if they came from within. In the next video we will talk about the Lacanian subject, or barred subject, and here Lacan presents the relation between the conscious and the unconscious from a psychoanalytic perspective. According to Lacan the problem in your statement "what we will or desire" would be in the "we", since this presupposes that the subject is the one that wills. I hope this helps a bit 😄
@maxr.k.pravus9518
@maxr.k.pravus9518 2 жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 I actually watched the most recent video and then saw this comment lol. So, you're saying we make choices, as in there is a deliberation or decision-making going on, but in our subconscious instead of our consciousness?
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxr.k.pravus9518 Yes that is the gist of it according to Sam Harris and psychoanalysts like Freud and Lacan. 😄 This connects to the next video about the subject of Lacan, where he stated that what we call consciousness is basically a creation of our unconscious through language that then retroactively takes responsibility for the thought or action. I do admit that at first I found this hard to believe, and I had many discussions with a good friend of mine where I argued for free will. But after some time of discussing and a few books later I myself had to let go as well. However, I discussed this also with another friend and my brother and they did argue for a form of free will, but just on another level. We came to the conclusion: "Free will exists from the perspective of the Ego". So "we", our false being does not actually make the decisions since that is bound by cause and effect, but from the perspective of this ego it does seem that it makes the decisions. 😄
@Alexgiovanez
@Alexgiovanez 2 жыл бұрын
"In order to experience full pagan enjoyment one needs to go through the christian experience" Zizek. What he means here is that the assumption of a free regulatory agent (what we call I) independent from the Big Other (the guarantee of meaning) that is partly responsible for ones fate is necessary for the experience of jouissance. So one could say what you are doing here is just the primitive desire of resolving all tensions or what i would argue is that because one cannot overcome the axiom of being free in ones experience independent of the truth of the axiom, when you argue about the abolition of the idea of free will you directly put yourself in a higher position than the others because you can not assume yourself in your life as an non free at least to an extent. And if hypothetically we abolished the belief of free will we would abolish desire as such. Lastly you could interpret greek myth that we are all playthings of the Gods as just a defense mechanism to the unknown known that we are responsible for our fates. In a sense the symbolic was and as it seems still is to caught up in the desires of the ego-ideal.
@nestycb6702
@nestycb6702 6 ай бұрын
What's the source of the zen story in part one?
@rosemarietolentino3218
@rosemarietolentino3218 7 ай бұрын
I died to self was born again a living sacrifice for The Kingdom of God with free will to do so!
@minhducphamnguyen7819
@minhducphamnguyen7819 Жыл бұрын
Great video, but i have a question. If our choice is not a result of free will, if we cannot control the mechanism in our brain that make the choice for us, then when we judge someone in the justice system, what exactly are the so-called "guilty" party being judged for? What is this party being punished for?
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 Жыл бұрын
Very good question! The point that Sam Harris would make, and Buddhists for that matter, is that you are not to punish. It is not about hurting someone in return. Or as the christians would say: those without sin cast the first stone. We all sin. But the point is to not punish but protect. So we can remove someone from a given society to protect the rest seeing that this person did this and could most likely do it again. Today we look at guilt and we think that people can change, but this is often not simply so. So we can protect our society without hate and punishment.
@minhducphamnguyen7819
@minhducphamnguyen7819 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the response. I observed that we as a species often wonder if we and other people could've make different decisions in our lives due to concepts like "free will" and "responsibility". The fact that "free will" doesn't exist allow us to lift up the imaginary burden we put upon ourselves and hopefully let us become kinder towards other people.
@bottlebeard
@bottlebeard 10 ай бұрын
I think you could spin it around too: It's because the evil action that the guilty party is being deemed guilty for, is not caused by a "free will" or choice, that the danger of the subject is proven, because we cannot rely on the idea that a similarly evil action wouldn't be committed by the same person because they will simply "decide" not to ever commit such crimes after being told(or even convinced, by own admission) that they're wrong to do so. That's demonstrably the case too, that a criminal is more likely to commit another crime. So what the point of prisons in this context seems is to firstly, disconnect the harmful sources, that are demonstrated to be likely to manifest in society, from the rest of society. And secondly(the method depending on country in question), rehabilitate the person via attempts to nullify the motives that drove the act itself, by reinforcing contradictory motives or introducing a more "civilized meaning"(like the finnish prisons). As for the less integration/rehab, and more punishment oriented prisons such as ones in America, a similar perspective could be applied but leads to the opposite conclusion: "The guilty is merely another non-agent, and it is this perspective that allows us to sentence an individual to a prison lasting multiple lifetimes, as there is no loss in not simply doing so, as the idea of an alternative future of the so-called "individual" is easily discounted when responsibility is stripped away from them"
@UserBGE1
@UserBGE1 6 ай бұрын
​@@minhducphamnguyen7819 The will to protect, the will to remove danger living amidst society, family or ourselves is The Will to Power, nothing else. And that Will to Power is not “free will” but it is embedded in Life, to protect Life, or to put it in a more ‘vulgar’ way: “to protect the well-being of the species.”
@lxstcheckll9348
@lxstcheckll9348 27 күн бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476but who's to make the assertion that protect ion is good? Humans are designed to kill so wouldn't that neglect your claim?
@_XY_
@_XY_ Жыл бұрын
Nobody Is born free sadly😢😢
@Kar-Kan
@Kar-Kan 7 ай бұрын
Dude, the rehabilitation of the criminal is possible only in the presence of free will, and only by accepting the statement that the criminal can be a non-criminal if he wishes.
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment! I would say two things: 1) rehabilitaion is not something we promote in the video. It is only the acceptance that for some people rehabilitaion is not a solution at all since there is no free will in changing, and, for some people change is not an option. It is however no use in "punishing" people that cannot be rehabilitated. Today the problem is a believe that people do something bad because they wanted to do something bad. Since it is their doing they are responsible and thus are "guilty" and should be punished. Nietzsche would say its the Christian decadence we see here, guilt and punishment. This is also why we let people out of jail after a certain punishment. We believe that the people have paid for their crimes and we let them into society again. Science however tells us that for some people, punishment has nothing to do with them changing into better people. We should judge on the probability of somebody being a risk for society, not guilt, punishment and vengence. 2) I would say that rehabilitation is possible. Not by free will, but by supplying knowledge. This presupposes a subject who CAN change and WANTS to change. There are behavioural therapies and treatments that can really change certain behaviours and patterns of thinking. Maybe even psychedelics? Curious to hear what you think! :)
@Forkroute
@Forkroute Жыл бұрын
Underrated channel. what a shame
@dancroitoru364
@dancroitoru364 2 жыл бұрын
Since you mention Lacan and Freud every other sentence you should know that Free Will or Desire is central to humans and emerges with the divided subject. You cannot "combine" Lacan/Freud with other philosophies because psychoanalysis is the clinic of discourses and is not a weltanschauung (a vision of the world) but quite the opposite.
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment. I would totally beg the differ. It is not like Lacan or Freud woke up one day deciding that there was psychoanalysis. Quite on the contrary. And Lacan even refers to the amount of respect he has for Freud as he is the master of symbology, story and myth. You cannot have Lacan without Schopenhauer just like you cannot have science without alchemy. I do agree that it is not merely a "combining" but rather a continuation. Regarding Free Will and desire, these are two very different things. Desire is that which emerges out of our interaction with the world. But in the beginning there is still the "delta" in the lower left corner in graph one of the graphs of desire, ‘some mystical, pre-symbolic intention’. This is the motivation, the will. Which is by no means free as expressed in the video. It is also here that Lacan later refers to the Real, that which resists symbolisation. It is that which lies underneath our symbolic world, the "push". It is here though that I partially disagree with Lacan. For according to Lacan this would be a state that we can never reach again after entering into language. But here Schopenhauer (and many others) have shown that there is a way besides the principle of sufficient reason, namely: music, dance and philosophy. In these moments we are shortly not in time, space and causality, but one with the world, in this moment we need no reasons at all. Lastly I would like to mention that I name Lacan only once in the video, but I assume that your over-statement was never meant to accurately portray the message 😄.
@dancroitoru364
@dancroitoru364 2 жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 Desire in Lacanian view is the endless search from the signifier to the signified. That is what animates the individual, the subject of language, to find meaning in his life and thus not to die for nothing. That you can also call it Free Will since there is no other thing outside the speaking human body. The faster you move out of manualistic knowledge, the better.
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancroitoru364 I do see why this might feel like Free Will. However, after the creation of the barred subject, which you have no control over, in the second graph of desire the subject creates the ideal ego (and ego-ideal). This is in no way voluntary or freely willed. Desire is then the motivation, need or want to reach this imaginary image of our selves. But we did not choose this ego, we did not choose to follow this, we just do based on the principle of cause and effect. And furthermore, by no means does this imagination arise in and of itself. Just like the painter needs paint for a painting, the brain needs experiences, symbols in neuron connections, to create this image. That is what Jung describes when we as a child have dreams in the forms of shapes and only later in the form of images. Hence, the ideal ego that is created is the sum and creation of our genes and experiences we have had in our lives and not the conscious creation of our ego itself. For the ego cannot create the ego, the classical philosophical argument that nothing can come from itself. I do think that this is exactly why psychoanalysis can be so valuable though. Exactly becouse we follow the rules of cause and effect it is the psychoanalyst that can find the cause of some symptom in another person. By studying the reaction to signifiers, and by listening to the symbols that people adhere to, the psychoanalyst can give a new story that alleviates some tension within the patient. In this way, the psychoanalyst is the cause for these people to think about thinks they never thought about. I have to say that even though your comments do sound a bit aggressive, I like them becouse you at least make me think! And I always appreciate that! So thank you. 😄
@dancroitoru364
@dancroitoru364 2 жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 Well , it's your channel so you're entitled to be right. You can draw any parallels you like - however the notion of ego in Lacan/Freud has nothing to do with the ego of Schopenhauer or of Kierkegaard. Lacan was not a Marxist or a Hegelian (in the Marxist interpretation). He didn't think that man is made for history. I noticed that these avenues of thinking are like candies for the millennial cohort because it gives them the justification they need to never engage with real life.
@maartennetwerken
@maartennetwerken 2 жыл бұрын
@@dancroitoru364 Obviously the ego differs between these as it only signifies a concept described by all of these. I agree with your noition there. However, one can still combine the concepts and descriptions into this topic. Kierkegaard did not live in a time with neuroscience and modern analysis of brain functioning, clearly he would not have drawn the exact same conclusions. You are fully right in that. I don't, however, believe that's the point of this video at all. The maker is not supporting viewing life as empty using Schopenhauer. This video puts all these concepts in the perspective of free will and, yes, the author draws a conclusion. As you say he is entitled to his conclusion the same way that you are to yours. Confined by the boundaries of our modern understanding of the physical world he takes examples from many symbols throughout the history of human thought. If combining symbology to contruct a paradigm explaining your view of the world is avoiding to "engage with real life" then I don't know what isn't. Obviously one may find the existence of free will through their own experiences and symbologies, one might even relate this to the metaphysical or their religious beliefs. The contruct that signifies "real life" is explained by a "millennial cohort" in this particular way isn't avoiding the engagement with anything. I don't have to agree with the conclusions or vision in order to see the essence of what he is doing here. He is not defining real life or setting the boundaries based on lose quotes of some famous philosophers or psychologists as though it were candy in my view.
@reddot_22
@reddot_22 Жыл бұрын
All is good except the ending, why does always have to be some sort of happy ending compelling to do good? The benefit I see is the reduction of stress as in the end you know you are just a puppet but somehow being compelled to be "good" or "evil" its redundant.
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment! I do understand your position and I think that for people like you the happy ending is not necessary. However, I could imagine that for someone that hears this for the first time can get somewhat nihilistic. Therefore I included a positive note. After wrestling with this for some time I do believe that even this positive note is not needed anymore. 😄
@reddot_22
@reddot_22 Жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 amazing video and response! Great work!
@commandvideo
@commandvideo 2 жыл бұрын
Does animals also feel like they have free will ?! Do they regret decisions ?
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 2 жыл бұрын
To be able to know free will and decisions they would first of all need concepts. And even though some animals know concepts, most do not know free will and decisions. It is like the little blind girl who is asked what "red" means. But becouse she never knew the colour red, the concept is completely empty to her.
@lxstcheckll9348
@lxstcheckll9348 27 күн бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476could've said no because they can conceptualize the making of social constructs in linguistics.
@coronaphone710
@coronaphone710 Жыл бұрын
He was right...I give up
@Alphardus
@Alphardus Жыл бұрын
The thing is, is that Nietzsche also rejects Sam Harris and his ilk, who believe in Determinism/Pre-Determinism. Nietzsche rejects "Free Will" but only the idea that we as single things are 'Causa Sui'. Nietzsche also rejects determinism/Pre-Determinism as mechanistic nonsense and the absurd I deas that there is some sort of teleology or roadmap of Nature that is set in motion at a certain time or that an 'Effect' obeys it's 'Cause'. The nonsense that me brushing my teeth 10 years ago 'causes' me to be here right now as if all prior events were obeying it or set in motion like clockwork. Like some people thing the 'big bang' set things in motion like a clock and everything follows as if on rails. This is just mechanical doltishness. Nietzsche believes that all exists are simply *Strong Wills* and *Weak Wills* (We could perhaps enlighten this further and include that everything simply is Strong Wills and Weak Wills, Strong Drives and Weak Drives, Strong Forces and Weak Forces). This goes for the *Organic* and *Inorganic* the same. Just of varying degrees and intensities. With the whole uniting pathos being Will to Power. To absorb, to command, to conquer, to become master, to consume, to overpower, to exploit, to gain ascendancy, to take that which is outside in to oneself, to direct to ones goals etc. The pertinent quote from Nietzsche is here - The causa sui is the best self-contradiction that has been conceived so far, it is a sort of rape and perversion of logic; but the extravagant pride of man has managed to entangle itself profoundly and frightfully with just this nonsense. The desire for "freedom of the will" in the superlative metaphysical sense, which still holds sway, unfortunately, in the minds of the half educated; the desire to bear the entire and ultimate responsibility for one's actions oneself, and to absolve God, the world, ancestors, chance, and society involves nothing less than to be precisely this causa sui and, with more than Münchhausen's audacity, to pull oneself up into existence by the hair, out of the swamps of nothingness. Suppose someone were thus to see through the boorish simplicity of this celebrated concept of "free will" and put it out of his head altogether, l beg of him to carry his "enlightenment" a step further, and so put out of his head the contrary of this monstrous conception of "free will": I mean "unfree will," which amounts to a misuse of cause and effect. One should not wrongly reify "cause" and "effect" as the natural scientists do (and whoever, like them, now "naturalizes" in his thinking), according to the prevailing mechanical doltishness which makes the cause press and push until it "effects" its end; one should use "cause" and "effect" only as pure concepts, that is to say, as conventional fictions for the purpose of designation and communication - not for explanation. In the "in itself" there is nothing of "causal connections," of "necessity," or of "psychological non-freedom"; there the effect does not follow the cause, there is no rule of "law." It is we alone who have devised cause, sequence, for-eachother, relativity, constraint, number, law, freedom, motive, and purpose; and when we project and mix this symbol world into things as if it existed "in itself," we act once more as we have always acted - mythologically. **The "unfree will" is mythology; in real life it is only a matter of strong and weak wills.** It is almost always a symptom of what is lacking in himself when a thinker senses in every "causal connection" and "psychological necessity" something of constraint, need, compulsion to obey, pressure, and unfreedom; it is suspicious to have such feelings - that person betrays himself. And in general, if I have observed correctly, the "unfreedom of the will" is regarded as a problem from two entirely opposite standpoints, but always in a profoundly personal manner: some will not give up their "responsibility," their belief in themselves, the personal right to their merits at any price (the vain races belong to this class). Others, on the contrary, do not wish to be answerable for anything, or blamed for anything, and owing to an inward self-contempt, seek to lay the blame for them selves somewhere else. The latter, when they write books, are in the habit today of taking the side of criminals; a sort of socialist pity is their most attractive disguise. And as a matter of fact, the fatalism of the weak-willed embellishes itself surprisingly when it can pose as "la religion de la souffrance humaine"; that is its "good taste." Friedrich Nietzsche - Beyond Good and Evil, 21.
@theelderskatesman4417
@theelderskatesman4417 Жыл бұрын
I am enjoying your videos, but Brahman is a Vedic (Hindu) concept and Buddhism is defined precisely by rejecting it in favour of Anatman (no self). Also the text you quote is from the Upanishads and is not Buddhist.
@blackbke
@blackbke Жыл бұрын
I am reading Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation, the chapter about free will (hence how I ended up here). He is talking about a kind of freedom though, but I don't understand what he means. He's writing: 'As for him [Kant] the complete empirical reality of the world of experience coexists with its transcendental freedom. For the empirical character, like the whole man, is a mere appearance as an object of experience - time, space, and causality - and subject to their laws. On the other hand, the condition and the basis of this whole appearance - which as a thing-in-itself is independent of these forms and therefore is not subject to time distinctions but is persistent and unchangeable - is his intelligible character, i.e., his will as thing-in-itself. It is to the will in this capacity that freedom [...] properly belongs. This freedom, however, is transcendental, i.e.., it does not occur in appearance. It is present only insofar as we abstract from the appearance and from all its forms in order to reach that which, since it is outside of all time, must be thought of as the inner being of man-in-himself. By virtue of this freedom all acts of man are of his own making.' I understand the empirical reality and appearance as object of experience, which has no freedom/free will. But what is this transcendental freedom?
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 Жыл бұрын
That is a good question! What Schopenhauer describes is Kant his critique of pure reason. Kant before Schopenhauer also wanted to know what the world is made of. So before Kant there were empiricists like Hume who said that objects in the world are seen by man, after which we come to know the object. However, Kant reverses this and concludes that we need intuitions of space and time to see the object in the first place. But beware! We never see the object as the thing in itself. We only ever know the object as a judgement which is based on our categories of the understanding. (basically the principle of sufficient reason for Schopenhauer). So we never know the thing in itself, only the appearance. Now here is the point where Kant also gets a bit lost. Since we as subjects are on the one hand a thing in itself (psychology calls this our unconscious), but we also feel that we make our own choices (our consciousness). So how come that we are a thing in itself, but do not know the thing in itself that we are? The point of Schopenhauer here is that we are thus ourselves a thing in itself. Our hart beating is the same as our thought emerging, which is again the same "objectification of the will" as the river flowing and the bird flying. And when we see that we are "it", we see that what we will was all along our own will. Even if our Ego, our persona that we created in language, says that it want something else. "We can only do what we will, but never will what we will." I hope this helps a bit! What helped me though while reading Schopenhauer was knowing more about Kant. We have on this channel also videos that explain the whole argument Kant makes in his critique. If you have any more questions please ask! 😄
@blackbke
@blackbke Жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 I understand what you are explaning, however, I don't see the link with 'transcendental freedom'...
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 Жыл бұрын
​@@blackbke I think Schopenhauer points here at the fact that free will does not belong to the object but only to the interpretation of the subject. Transcendental meaning "that which does not belong to the object". So this would mean that a happening would occur without a cause, since this is the only way that the happening is "free". But Kant does not believe that this is possible, and neither does Schopenhauer. I do admit that the last sentence: "By virtue of this freedom all acts of man are of his own making" sounds as if this is free will, but this is merely that we see that our acts are our own by way of the will as thing in itself. Or as Schopenhauer puts it in a different way: "we can do what we will, but we cannot will what we will".
@kimyunmi452
@kimyunmi452 6 ай бұрын
@@blackbke schopenhauer means at the metaphysical level ie. Noumenon realm, there is only the Will and nothing else..and this Will, by its own nature, can only do what it wants to do. Since there is only will in the noumenon realm, there is no external factors that can affect it, hence it is free trancendentally. But at the same time, this primordial will can only do (manifest) what it "must" do, namely what it wants to do according to what its own nature "dictates". So actually at this trancendental level, the will is both free (no external forces) and determined (by its own nature). On the contrary, in the phenomenon realm, everything is necessary and determined by virtue of PSR (principle of sufficient reason).
@kimyunmi452
@kimyunmi452 6 ай бұрын
@@blackbke now regarding your actions and choices / desires/ wants in this empirical world. Is it free or determined? It is actually both. The distinction does not exist anymore. The distinction dissapears. Ie. From subjective point of view, it is completely necessary and determined (given your in-born character and motivation in certain situations - both of which you have no control over). But at the same time, dont forget that you are part of the universe, you are not separate from it. Therefore, your inner kernel character (the core of your being) is part of this universal will. So from this perspective, all your desires / wants / choices / actions are free, since your inner kernel of being is a manifestation of this universal trancendental will (remember no external factors exist to effect this universal will).
@MrJamesdryable
@MrJamesdryable 2 жыл бұрын
What's actually having the experience that you call "my life" is God/The Absolute. Infinite Mind is pulling your strings, so to speak. You're a puppet with a brain. When the hand moves you think "I did that", well, yes and no. You could say the brain made the hand move, but who made the brain move? The river flows, the tree grows, the cow moos, the hand moves, it's all just happening on its own. “Events happen, deeds are done, but there is no individual doer thereof.” There's no I, there's just the memory of an "I/me" which then presupposes the existence of a future "I". The "I" is an illusion. There is no I. You're a verb with a name. PS: none of what I just said is true.
@cyrilmrazek6649
@cyrilmrazek6649 Жыл бұрын
love your videos, but this one is a bit poor. Harrisi's spiel is really superfluous and entirely dependent on temporality and individualism. In the ending you should at least mention Sartrian freedom since it is basically a more coherent version of your conclusion. The critique of christianity is really problematic since one of the pioneers of free will was Augustin of Hippo and his conceptualisation of it was the cornerstone of christian theology.
@_XY_
@_XY_ Жыл бұрын
Im in the Matrix
@rosemarietolentino3218
@rosemarietolentino3218 7 ай бұрын
The flesh lusts against the spirit and the spirit lusts against the flesh. Only my spirit can talk to Spirit.
@blackbke
@blackbke Жыл бұрын
Consequentally we have to be compassionate with the many people believing in and upholding the illusion of free will, since they don't have free will either :) More generally, if you are looking into the human condition from all perspectives: physics, quantum mechanics, astronomy, biology, psychology, sociology, philosophy, etc... we can only come to the conclusion that at any moment in time we are what we are, and what is simply... is. That doesn't mean we should just accept everything - such as war or torture -, but it invites us to look at humanity with compassion and the realization that it will take time for enough cause and effect to change what is. If humanity won't destroy itself I do believe that over the course of the next thousands (or maybe ten thousands) of years - we eventually will become more compassionate and peaceful. Since from an evolutionary perspective we just came out of our caves and created our 'modern' societies with still a caveman mentality. Eventually our genes will catch up. Pfiew, longer post than I intended :D
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 Жыл бұрын
I like your optimism about our future! I am here more of a existentialist. I do think that this suffering and torture is exactly what we as humans want. It gives us meaning and purpose. Lets say you were to dream and in this dream you were you but you could do everything you want. First you have all the sex you want, then you buy all the things you want. And you could do this for 10 days, maybe even 10 years. But then eventually you get bored and you want something exiting to happen. So there is a big red button in the middle of a field which says "chaos". And after a while everybody will press this button, and we wake up to the life that we are living now. Or as Dostoyevsky would say: “And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point!” (Notes From Underground)
@blackbke
@blackbke Жыл бұрын
@@eversbrothersproductions1476 Being optimistic about humanity in a timeframe of tens of thousands of years is a very cautious form of optimism. For the time being I definitely agree with you.
@IusedtohaveausernameIliked
@IusedtohaveausernameIliked Жыл бұрын
I am the otter of my own fat. At least I thought I was.
@rosemarietolentino3218
@rosemarietolentino3218 7 ай бұрын
You already lost credit with me with Allen Watts.
@eversbrothersproductions1476
@eversbrothersproductions1476 7 ай бұрын
Why? 🥲
@edgregory1
@edgregory1 2 жыл бұрын
Fear and Greed are the two primary emotions. All others are derived from them.
@zyxwfish
@zyxwfish 4 ай бұрын
I use to think Sam Harris was smart but I realized he is not after many years of contemplating free will and determinism. “Soft determinism” is true. If hard determinism is true then no experimental evidence could be trusted nor could our senses. If hard determinism is true then all debates are rendered useless. One cannot contemplate in a hard deterministic universe but only the illusion of contemplation. If the contemplation is an illusion then the results of the contemplation could never be seen as wise or correct. That would mean the person holding a belief of hard determinism admits they have lost a debate in advance. Obviously libertarian free will is wrong because minds are interacting with a world and other minds and they respond in an ordered way. If hard determinism was true crimes could never be said to be crimes. A person could always claim they couldn’t have done otherwise. Even if they were locked up to keep the public safe any feelings of guilt or wrong doing could never said to be objectively wrong. In fact if hard determinism was true thinking, logic, morality, truth, and intelligence could never be shown to be objectively true but only subjectivity true. Since objectively is necessary for truth nothing could ever be said to be true. In this video I assume hard determinism is being argued for and therefore the video
@lxstcheckll9348
@lxstcheckll9348 27 күн бұрын
Yes conceptualization can be said to be 100% truth bud. Their so much thing, such as what I reference, someone could say I know I’m gay even if it turns out many years later they weren’t. However, the person watching that would realize that they know that the conceptualization of him saying he’s gay is 100% true. Because with a social construct phrase in such to be conceptualized
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