The importance of a horse having confidence in its driver.

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barryhook2

barryhook2

10 жыл бұрын

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This film illustrates the importance of a pony having confidence in its driver. We were concerned that Foggy's owners would not be able to drive him as he had no respect for them. We show how the pony behaves for us, and predict how he will react when his owner drives him. We advised them to take him home for a short period to see whether they could handle him in the correct manner, then bring him back to be finished off. However they stated that they wanted to drive him on his return. We did not think this was a good idea for the reasons stated on the film - they came to drive him prior to taking him home.
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@downhomesunset
@downhomesunset 8 жыл бұрын
I love your view on experience. Anyone doing something for twenty years still has something to learn in their 21st. If they don't know that they aren't going to have the right attitude to learn!
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 8 жыл бұрын
+Downhomesunset Thanks; it seems that this is often one of the hardest things to understand in the horse world! You never stop learning and every horse can teach you something - Barry often says he wishes he had another lifetime to spend with them as there is so much more to learn.
@annemcgrath3659
@annemcgrath3659 2 жыл бұрын
What a lovely trotter happy and confident in your hands
@carligarman7241
@carligarman7241 Жыл бұрын
I want my driving experience to make me a better partner for my horse, a better driver, not just a reason to say "I've been doing this for years." I like how this video shows the difference it makes in the horse depending on who is driving and working with the horse.
@MissRowanTree
@MissRowanTree 9 жыл бұрын
This video has given me great in sight. I have a lovely four year old friesian that drives lovely but has started spooking and being a handful. Now I realise I need to work on my skills. I'm only a novice driver. Time to get some lessons I think and work on our relationship.
@bernadettecartin
@bernadettecartin Жыл бұрын
Hi. Just seeing this seven years later. Wondering how you and your partner are doing now. Your horse would be eleven now, great age.
@tictactoe325
@tictactoe325 8 жыл бұрын
Poor Foggy, no wonder he was confused. There was no communication going on with the owner and Foggy. No wonder he got upset with that last turn - I felt like screaming 'Get off his darn mouth'
@4Mr.Crowley2
@4Mr.Crowley2 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I totally agree -- the way he was yanking on his mouth was painful to watch! Poor Foggy.
@noahman27
@noahman27 3 жыл бұрын
Barry, this was like 7 or 8 years ago. Do you remember how things worked out for this horse? I feel so bad for him watching him under his owner's command.
@laurawiiles7356
@laurawiiles7356 10 жыл бұрын
Great common sense advice, as always Barry. Nice pony. I hope he continues to make such positive progress.
@horsebabyhehe
@horsebabyhehe 8 жыл бұрын
I've been around horses all my life and I would dearly love to take lessons with y'all! nobody knows everything and if there were one right way to do things everybody would do it that way.
@laurawiiles7356
@laurawiiles7356 10 жыл бұрын
Having watched the end part now, I'm wondering how the poor pony ended up! The owner didn't appear to have any idea how to drive and wasn't communicating with the pony at all. His reins were like washing lines! To start slapping the pony's rump with them when it was unsure what to do was pure ignorance. An accident waiting to happen, unfortunately. So sad for Foggy. So many decent ponies are ruined by incompetent riders and drivers who think they're horsemen / women :-((
@c5ster
@c5ster Жыл бұрын
You can sure tell by the horse's ears... when the owner was driving, the birds was constantly flicking his ears back and forth whereas when Barry drove him his ears were pricked forwards mostly. He'd check in with Barry, 'Am I OK Dad?' and the confidence from Barry, 'Yes you are. ' the ears are pricked forwards and he's a happy horse.
@michaellaurencruable
@michaellaurencruable 8 жыл бұрын
This is a perfect example of the type of person who has NO business having a horse. The things both Barry and Melanie repeat over and over in their videos is the fact that it is people who ruin horses. It is unfortunate this man has control over Foggy's life. This man shows the difference between thinking of yourself as an owner (you are my possession like a tractor and I will do what I want with you) versus viewing Foggy as part of a team. This is a great example of being penny wise and pound foolish. If you send a horse to a trainer and at the end of 6 weeks and he says the horse in is not finished, why not stay the extra time. If the trainer says the person who will be driving the horse needs instruction to drive this horse in a way to be confident, safe and happy and that person refuses, shame on this man. How wonderful this is all on video. Perhaps this will shame this man into either doing the right thing or allowing the Hooks to finish Foggy's training and then place him with an experienced driver so he can have a good life. The sad thing is Barry is correct when he says driving and horsemanship standards have slipped and continue to slip. The horse suffers. People want the quick fix, quick training and quick driving/riding lessons to get the ribbon. It also breaks my heart to see it here in the US. It is a fight we will all continue for the horse who has no voice.
@dozerdriver55
@dozerdriver55 10 жыл бұрын
foggy was a completely different horse once barry got hold of the reins,nice one barry
@TaniaSpies
@TaniaSpies 10 жыл бұрын
I wish you could stop this beautiful pony having to go home with this man. Poor Foggy.
@Benj8211
@Benj8211 2 жыл бұрын
A lesson in humility me thinks! I would love to spend a year learning a fractions of skills you have -
@Leathurkatt
@Leathurkatt 10 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY why if you're going to do ANYTHING with a horse, whether it's riding, jumping, driving, whatever, learn to do it properly from the start and never assume you "know" what you're doing. A horse that has no confidence and trust in its handler will be skittish, fidgety, and will fight against the reign every single time.
@karineekg
@karineekg 5 жыл бұрын
Leathurkatt such a shame after all that amazing work that had been done, so easy to just mess it all up in a matter of seconds 😓
@Oakleaf700
@Oakleaf700 10 жыл бұрын
The owner-driver's hands look all over the place....it is inner determination that animals pick up on. Animals will look for the weakness in people and exploit it..and horses are superb at finding out a person's weakness. No shame in having lessons- we never stop learning. Pride is what gets in the way.
@lisspen123
@lisspen123 10 жыл бұрын
The last couple of minutes showed more of the owners inexperience than the horses!
@colinbateman8233
@colinbateman8233 5 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your videos I’ve got to learn how to do this
@cocochanelleke
@cocochanelleke 9 жыл бұрын
8:44 I wonder why he starts pulling the right rein suddenly - it looks as though this confuses the pony.
@kljbell00
@kljbell00 10 жыл бұрын
Im starting my cob driving and have never driven in my life , hope I dont ever become ingorant and do silly things. Im only up to walking on the roads in his harness I have a cart but it will be some time before I even think of putting it to him as im a novice at driving im taking things very slow and patient with him. I will give him a good few weeks to look the cart over and all its movements and sounds an smells. I have messaged you and am waiting for a reply but love the way you go about training as I belive punishing a horse is unacceptable and you will lose all the time, let a horse think what you want be clear in what you want and praise for the things you want but praise in a way the horse understands. What you do in months will prob take me a year but im in no rush and want him happy.
@GoldenLioness100
@GoldenLioness100 7 жыл бұрын
I know people who "have been riding horses for years". Four of them - FOUR! - couldn't work out that the pony one of them was leading was bucking under the child on his back because he was an older pony, he was stiff, he wasn't given a chance to stretch out and warm up, and was uncomfortable. Me being a lot younger didn't have the pluck at the time to say anything. Two of those ladies regularly had a school master horse taking the mick with them too. It's easy to see how people ruin good horses.
@karineekg
@karineekg 5 жыл бұрын
Golden they're called 'barn witches' by one of my favourite utubers 😭
@heidimule
@heidimule 10 жыл бұрын
I want lessons...
@marciareeves5752
@marciareeves5752 7 жыл бұрын
Pretty horse. It seems like the horse is not sure with the owner. Muxed signals. I think the owner is wanting to do better or he would not have come to Barry. He had a bad experience with another horse. This one seems to want to please or know what to do. I think the owner and Foggy will work more with Barry now or soon. What happens? Such a strong, beautiful horse.
@herecomestheboi1285
@herecomestheboi1285 7 жыл бұрын
it always looks so windy and cold out there, you guys must draw the bad luck card for weather where you live. XD horses don't seem to mind though
@karineekg
@karineekg 5 жыл бұрын
Amanda Girard it's called 'lovely British weather'.. It's very famous for its unpredictability! 😂
@davegongwer106
@davegongwer106 3 жыл бұрын
I got a question. have you orsome one you know ever driven amish teams?
@lunagreyback4993
@lunagreyback4993 5 жыл бұрын
4:20 !!! It is EVERYWHERE with dogs with cats with riding with driving just everywhere. People think just because they did something for years that make it right, but it is not!
@digitjoe
@digitjoe 10 жыл бұрын
Amazing how you can undo 6 weeks hard work in a matter of hour/s think you need to open a b&b and have the owns spend the last few weeks in training aswell why do some people treat the rains like it a skipping rope......... good job you only use rubber bit how they stick to that
@annamcknight2573
@annamcknight2573 4 жыл бұрын
No wonder that poor horse was messed up. How to totally confuse a horse in one easy lesson. Do you know what happened to him?
@kathybradbury
@kathybradbury 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, another hour of that and that horse could be totally confused! Sad.
@Frozenfan1965
@Frozenfan1965 5 жыл бұрын
Lol he showed the guy he didnt know how to drive his own horse even though he'd been "driving for years" lol.
@carriagegirl4260
@carriagegirl4260 10 жыл бұрын
Mmm! I'm no expert but I can see quite a nasty accident happening before too long and the pony could end up getting the blame. A real shame. Hope the owner takes note of what you tell him.
@googleaccount5876
@googleaccount5876 4 жыл бұрын
It’s a pity that falla doesn’t now how to drive that horse
@userunavailable3095
@userunavailable3095 10 жыл бұрын
I hope the owner took your advice and came to you for lessons. That horse would be ruin in one drive at home. What a shame.
@brendareed8412
@brendareed8412 3 жыл бұрын
Sad. The horse felt uncertain.
@cherylstraub5970
@cherylstraub5970 10 жыл бұрын
I noticed that this pony tends to nod his head when he is standing for the young lady. Is this because this pony is still a bit fidgety and is trying to get the rains pulled out of her hands or is this something else?
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 10 жыл бұрын
Yes Cheryl; it is impatience and a bit of temper. He wants to snatch the reins out of her hands and move forwards. If she was hanging onto the reins tightly, his answer would be to pull as hard as he could against them, i.e. tuck his chin into his chest and just heave forwards; as she is asking him to stand on a loose rein, he does not know where the contact is and so he throws his head down trying to jerk the "block" of her hands out of the way, so he can move forwards.
@cherylstraub5970
@cherylstraub5970 10 жыл бұрын
Thank-you for the explanation. How do you train him out of that habit or is it something that will eventually go away with correct driving on a loose rain?
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 10 жыл бұрын
He will stop doing it once he accepts that he has to listen to the driver and can then relax until he receives a further instruction, i.e. when he stands still patiently. We wouldn't be concerned about the head shaking/nodding as a separate issue, because it is simply another "symptom" of the main issue, and attempting to stop that may mean it will come out in another manner (i.e. kicking back at the carriage). We need to solve the root cause of the problem, not mask the symptoms. Once we work on his discipline and listening to the driver's instructions without arguing, he will then stand still happily on a loose rein, and he will then stop trying to pull the reins out and nodding his head, because he no longer thinks he is "in charge" and wants to "argue" with the driver.
@cherylstraub5970
@cherylstraub5970 10 жыл бұрын
Thank-you for this explanation.
@kvhvtke1935
@kvhvtke1935 4 жыл бұрын
That's why I never let anyone else drive my horse my horse knows who has the rains and I don't want someone else to I doing something wrong and we have to retrain him again people like to ask to borrow my horse and wagon and I always have to tell him no I just don't trust anyone for drive- my animal you heard no saying he's a one dog person oh my horse is that one horse person
@susanbrown2909
@susanbrown2909 5 жыл бұрын
All horses are different ,they have different personalities it’s whether you can train one that’s skittish or bad tempered to get it to a drivable standard safely..and if Barry can’t then nobody can .
@IcePonyGoddess
@IcePonyGoddess 6 жыл бұрын
Ugh....foot on brake...while asking horse to walk. Poor horse. Get off his mouth!!
@paulbucklebuckle4921
@paulbucklebuckle4921 Жыл бұрын
Just for the algorithms
@hackneysaregreat
@hackneysaregreat 8 жыл бұрын
What a terrible, terrible owner/ driver.He has absolutely no contact with and feeling for his horse through the reigns, just a pair of very stiff hands not following the horses movements at all. "Dancing" reigns like this and held in this way are a clear sign of having absolutely no basic driving skills. Am I rude when I advice him only to drive a car in the future?
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 8 жыл бұрын
+hackneysaregreat Sadly we have encountered several people who drive like this who class themselves as "experienced drivers". Needless to say, I'm sure Barry has offended a fair few people who come here as he is always honest about what he thinks of anyone's driving ability, because at the end of the day the horse is more important than the driver's ego. Personally I don't think advice like yours would be classed as rude, but rather it is necessary to say it, in order to keep both horse, driver and any unsuspecting members of the public safe.
@hackneysaregreat
@hackneysaregreat 8 жыл бұрын
+barryhook2 This happened today on Facebook. Somebody asked for advice:I have a 3 year old Fjord and we are beginning ground driving. Both my horse and I need training. I have never driven a cart only ridden. The three trainers I know are in New York, West Virginia and Virginia. Does anyone know of a great trainer on the East Coast of Florida or Ocala, anywhere in Florida? Thank you!! There were more responses, but this was mine: You start with a very good driving course FIRST before you do/ try anything else. Then you get a response to that advice:Sounds like a great suggestion but we aren't even near ready for that step, ha ha. I gave a final response, as this makes no sense: If you are not prepared to start with a very good driving course, so that you at least have basic skills harnessing and driving and other necessary experience before you consider anything else with your horse, don't even consider starting driving. ( as a note: I will give up from this point).
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 8 жыл бұрын
+hackneysaregreat I saw that same post! Responses like that are why I never usually respond to anything on social media unless its on our own FB page or YT videos; I find advice can get misinterpreted, or ignored entirely (when I've taken time to write a lengthy and informative reply in the first place, it can get disheartening), and there's far too many "experts" that people believe without questioning how/why/where etc. In my own experience, I saw one lady telling others on a post exactly how to break a pony, when she had contacted us only half an hour before to ask about retraining one she broke in that had bolted, where she admitted she didn't know what she was doing!) Sadly I think this is where truly knowledgeable people get put off helping others, and so more people end up with less horsemanship skills. We've seen it time and time again, and you try and educate or warn people, but they feel you are only doing it to gain business yourself, or think "it won't happen to me", and it seems that its always the horse that suffers because of it. Also, in my opinion if someone asks for advice, they should be prepared for total honesty, and criticism too, which may be hard to swallow but is usually the actual advice they need to listen to!
@hackneysaregreat
@hackneysaregreat 8 жыл бұрын
+barryhook2 You are right, and I respond less and less to questions like this.Thought for a moment it would make sense this time...
@barryhook2
@barryhook2 8 жыл бұрын
+hackneysaregreat “One thing that humbles me deeply is to see that human genius has its limits while human stupidity does not."
@karenhoward2342
@karenhoward2342 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my god this guy needs to do his homework he don't understand the horse at all sorry it's true
@colinunderwood2095
@colinunderwood2095 9 жыл бұрын
the owner is to much of a novice for a nice pony like that;
@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim
@PhyllisGlassup2TheBrim 5 жыл бұрын
It's a shame that novices aren't prepared to listen to someone with more experience, everything has to be done in a rush. 9 minutes in just made me upset. He'll take him home and what might have been a nice driving pony, will be ruined and fit for nothing.
@horsebabyhehe
@horsebabyhehe 8 жыл бұрын
I've been around horses all my life and I would dearly love to take lessons with y'all! nobody knows everything and if there were one right way to do things everybody would do it that way.
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