The video that he's responding to: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mch7gJZ3rp7HZYE.html

It's crazy that vaush still cannot comprehend that there are people who can't have sex who do in fact go outside and talk to people.

Dude claims he reacted to gerbert’s response but skips 70% of it, watches about 2-5 minutes of it and then goes immediately to crap on the comments 🤡

Vaush you gotta actually start reacting to people's responses. Speed it up or whatever but it's getting borderline strawman territory you only hear a tenth of what people have to say

I've never had these kinds of confidence issues... ..but if someone told me to "go outside," when I was depressed, I would become the most hateful thing in existence.

Vaush: makes a video giving constructive commentary for 2/3 of the runtime, with some polemics near the end. Gerbert: "His response was pretty reasonable and he made good points y'all no hate here" The comments on that video: absolutely deranged sociopaths convinced they are enlightened because they have found an ideology to justify their pathologic behaviors and mental illnesses.

He thinks he looks babyface because Hollywood. Every actor movie where someone is in high school then there's a time skip where they're now 20 ends up going from normal looking dude to having a 6 foot wide chin and it's just as damaging to men as it is women when all media depicts it that way.

How dare he skip the freestyle

I got into Gerbert Johnson a while ago and his channel never really struck me as a grift to take advantage of incels. He says this in his reaction, but he's trying to identify widespread problems that zoomers are facing, which isn't necessarily whining or doomer-posting. He's not always right, but he is honest and his concerns are shared by a lot of people in our generation. I think it'd be interesting if you had him on to discuss this stuff, since there's a general difference in perspective between zoomers and millennials that I think you two could genuinely work out with a little dialogue.

The issue I have with the "just take a shower" line is that it often feels patronizing and reductive if you're someone that showers regularly but still experiences loneliness, social anxiety, alienation, etc.. I'm not sure why that response to men's loneliness is so prevalent among leftists. Is there some recent epidemic of men refusing to shower that I'm not aware of?

I like vaush generally but he strawmans so hard when it comes to porn. 1) the argument that it’s a self report that you watch porn that’s made to objectify women is literally a braindead take - porn is literally designed and manipulated to hyper focus on certain body parts to appeal to the male gaze, the videos that get the most views do this all the time, it’s completely understandable that people who watch it frequently will objectify women 2) “all they want to do is enact violence against women” lol like I said, great strawman. He never mentioned violence, only objectification Vaush literally drops 100 IQ points when PMO is brought up because people with certain vices will go to extreme lengths to rationalize them. Doesn’t necessarily have to be a bad thing, but these are just poor arguments

I’m a big fan of gerb, I think you guys would be surprised if you watched the entire vid of his. He’s very genuine.

saying "go outside, touch grass" is like telling a homeless person to just get a job

What's wrong with this guy? He just skipped the entire video where he explains all his points? If he actually had some patience he would see that there are many valid points that he made. But no he has to go off to the comments and argue with them instead. I think he has the shortest attention span for a streamer I've ever seen, not even xQc is on his level.

If you're homeless just buy a house

It's funny how the comments both implied that Vaush is simultaneously chadsplaining and a loser at the same time

Gerbert: I am a disillusioned young man - I find life is difficult because of the lack of social opportunities Vaush: Uhh.. Source?! Lmao

Gerbert johnson literally speaks nothing but facts, u dont know because u dont have these problems. If ur not a male zoomer your life experience is drastically different. Society itself seems to do everything to put men down while blaming them for almost every social problem to exist. Even with friends your still disconnected, life itself is shit. U cant just be “confident”, it simply doesnt work like that. Imagine blaming an autistic person for having social problems and telling them to “just be confident”, this is the same thing. People raised being stuck indoors spending most of their life on the internet are gonna be less connected and you cant just “go outside” because kids are no longer raised like that, it’s literally embedded into the system itself and is unavoidable

Im actually not surprised by his measured response. Ive followed that guy since he had less than 5k subscribers and even though a lot of his titles are incel-bait, the actual video itself is a lot more nuanced than you'd think. I dont think it's fair to call him an incel or a reactionary. I think he's just a regular guy with some social problems but hey, who doesnt?

Bro Vaush didn't even watch the video. It sucks so much because Gerbert literally agreed with the majority that Vaush said and gave actually good points but Vaush skipped most of the video. It's so ironic that he says Gerbert made him a strawman then procedes to claim stuff that Gerbert never said or advocated for.

I think the guy did have kernels of truth/some solid points in the video, but the editing and incel-ish vibes kinda ruined it. There is a real conversation to be had about male issues in society (suicide, loneliness, toxic masc, etc) but it gets overshadowed by red pill garbage

A cosplayer/con goer with some advice: I think that one comment about the cosplayers meeting up for a photo then dispersing as strangers can definitely be true. It's not enough to dress up and be there for the photo, I've done that and had the exact same post meetup, friendless walk away afterward. The meetup is more of an opportunity to start something than a garuntee. Compliment people on their outfits, ask for tips, ask where their coming here from, what got them into the series they cosplaying from. People love talking about themselves and they love talking about their interests so get the conversation rolling with questions and they do most the heavy lifting for you. Then if you're vibing, exchange instagrams/social medias (just as easy as texting but a lot less intimate) and try to ask if they're going to parties. I think if you're feeling vulnerable or nervous, just say that. Tell people straight up, "I'm trying to make friends". People generally respond well to that. But yeah don't just go expecting people to make the first move. A lot of them are just as lonely and awkward as you, so you gotta be the brave one

I'm 21 and shave my facial hair. Older people just don't know what young men look like without facial hair. Everyone I meet over the age of 30 thinks I'm around 16.

Imagine defending porn and arguing against it objectifying women. Dude truly lives in an echo chamber

Feel like I'm in the minority here, I really don't see Gerbert peddling a lot of these ideas he genuinely seems to feel isolated and behind in life even if he's playing up the doom and gloom to his audience. He might look "normal" for a 20 year old but he doesn't feel that way, even if it's obvious to Vaush. I do agree with Vaush that a lot of these issues can be addressed through self care and making and effort to put yourself out there instead of hiding online and feeling bad about it.

Nah the disrespect for skipping the essential freestyle!

The “incel guy” mogs u hard bro. Looks like a girls crush while you look like a discord mod

WE WANT A DEBATE.

im more on vaush's side here but ngl he could of spent more time watching the video and addressing his points instead of reading comments.

he is grifting incels he doesnt look average/ ugly at all tbh. If he really is an incel he disproves their entire worldview.

It's hilarious that they're claiming you're anti-male-self-improvement when you just got shit from the online left a few months ago for making videos about male loneliness and how men are also negatively affected by patriarchy.

instead of watching the video this guy just reads the comments and tickles his ego

I don’t think Vaush fully understands what it’s like to be introverted + socially awkward and not confident, however his advice is far better than any incel advice. Meeting people can be really hard depending on where you are in life and your situation, especially if you don’t know what to do or where to look. However it seems to me once you find that social group it helps a lot. Ironically, many more queer social groups are really accepting of a range of expression, neurodivergence, etc. and would probably have everything many of these people are looking for in a community, it’s just that many of these more incel types would never be able to join and get along as they are now because of their ideological commitments, hatred/dislike/blame towards certain groups/people not like them, and other cultural/behavioral differences they have adopted.

Didn't even watch the full video 💀 TWICE

I have always been very shy and ackward. However, I have moved to a completely new place, where I didn't know anyone, and still managed to make friends and have a group there. Three times now, so it wasn't just luck. Ngl, I've felt uncomfortable and not knowing how to interact with someone at many points. It's not easy, but it's not impossible either. What helped me most was joining groups of things I liked and finding nice people there. Also, making friends with someone who is more sociable and who wants to include you really helps. And, as everything, it gets easier with practice.

I was recommended gerberts channel naturally before vaush and I genuinely believe gerbert is not bad faith. Could be personal bias seeing myself in him but I would love to see you two actually have a conversation and hopefully bring him to the light a little bit

Bro spent more time hearing himself talk rather than other dude💀

HEY! There's a scientific reason we think our voices sound bad! When you're speaking, you hear your own voice exiting your mouth, and reverberating in your skull/inner ear, AND reflecting off the world around you. When you hear your voice in isolation from a recording, you're only hearing 1/3 of what you're used to hearing, so your brain thinks it sounds wrong. Same idea as when a person sees their face on camera VS in the mirror, because the mirror is always reflecting your face whereas the footage is your face as everyone else sees it. You don't sound bad, you don't look bad, your brain is just used to a self-centric perspective. Love yourself!

I feel like "just be confidant" is like the self esteem version of saying "bro, why don't you just do it already? If that was me, things would have gone different". Clearly the solution is to be more confidant, but that type of advise fails to address that the solution is also the problem. Would showering and dressing well make them feel better? Probably. But it won't give them confidence and they know that, so instead of trying it and maybe feeling better about themselves they decide that it isn't the solution they're looking for so they just don't try it. I think a bigger part of the advice we give needs to be focused on the fact that none of what we say is a solution, but it can all help regardless. Will going for an hour long jog daily get you bitches. No. Will it give you something to do that stops your mind from going on the blackpill deathspiral? Yeah probably. Will it be more healthy than CoD or porn? Yeah definitely. Will it suck? For a bit, but whenever I've ran it always feels great until it starts to hurt, and then when I'm halfway recovered from being out of breath I want to run more, because it felt good. We also need to stress that just because the people you cosplayed with don't become your lifelong friends doesn't mean that the experience of meeting them wasn't worthwhile. There are a lot of people in my life who I will probably never see again, might have only talked to them like once, but I'll be forever glad I did meet. There was a girl in my senior English class who I never spoke to, barely knew her name. But when graduation came we where next to each other in line and we had a chat. It sounds crazy to say, but that one conversation with what was practically a stranger really meant a lot to me. Because I had told myself for years that I was a boring loser who couldn't talk, and she proved me wrong in an instant. She also told me to treat myself more like how I treated others. The simplest advice but it was good, I needed to hear that. I had always tried to be nice to others, to make sure they where alright, but I had never given myself that same priority. I though that to focus on myself was selfish, because I thought in 1D cartoon logic, but the truth was if I was a stranger I would immediately stop telling myself that I was a boring loser. Those small exchanges between strangers who will never meet again, matter. And you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise. You can never convince me, that my one encounter with the cashier at a store I went to twice, didn't matter. That the simple joy of understanding how my friend always seemed to hit it off with strangers, wasn't real. Maybe going to a convention won't make you any friends. So? Did you have fun? Did you make memories? Do you regret what happened, or are you just upset that it didn't bring you the magic solution you where looking for? I'm not like Vaush, I'm not this emotionally invincible super redditor with self esteem buried deep into my bones. I'm really a lot more like Gerbert when you get down to it, I've been where he is and I was there not long ago. All I did to change that, was get into a place in life where I felt satisfied to spend a few years in, and in that time I've realized that maybe that's all "having stuff figured out" is. Just a guy telling himself that we'll be alright, we don't know where we're going but no one ever has, and when we get their we can enjoy it for what it is instead of beating myself up for not getting here sooner. I really don't want to belittle anyone. I don't know your story just like you don't know mine. But I really hope that one day his fans can put this stuff behind them and realize that they where beating themselves up over nothing, and that's ok because it's over now. Will it be back? Probably, but the same enemy is never as tough the second time around. We didn't get here by going around the problem or moping about it, we went through it. We'll do it again, because that's what we do. Something something, the indomitable will of the human spirit.

Autism brain (good): just go outside Depression brain (bad): no to scary Autism brain: but you feel better Depression brain: I’m stuck in a cycle Autism brain: take a shower, that will help Depression brain: but my bed is comfy Autism brain: just get dressed Depression brain: but no one is coming over Autism brain: go to a park, meet someone Depression brain: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Half that clip was just reacting to comments and not what gerbert said

"Just go outside" I did and now I have long covid. Thanks bro, great advice 👍 👌 💯 My life is ruined 🙃

I know it's a streamer thing, Code Miko does it, Sweet Anita does it, even Hasan does it. But I find it funny the idea of another persons followers first impression of Vaush will potentially be him shouting at his chat to go outside and touch grass. But he's not saying the touch grass part, he's just shouting go outside like an owner might do with a puppy in training.

He does seem genuine, and you can tell that he's garnered a generally bitter audience cuz despite his genuineness and his openness to your criticism, his audience is still malding about you in the comments. Just tells you what their priorities are as a community.

gotta love the paradox where you care too much about men's struggles for the left but don't pander to their insecurities enough for the right

Dude looks like he got good genes. Looking younger than average is not negative.

Man I feel like you completely mischaracterized his content and him as a person, which really sucks because I feel like you're capable of providing nuanced, informative perspectives if you would just sit and listen. Gerbert seems like a pretty genuine and respectful guy that raises some legitimate issues worthy of discussion, yet you skip portions of the video and label him as "incel guy" which is pretty disrespectful and sort of disingenuous to the thought and motive behind the content. You claim to want a better world for everyone, but if this is how you treat people who you even mostly agree with, I don't think you're doing a very good job of creating that.

Girl, I don't even know what his issue is, he just looks like a fairly attractive college dude. Also if whatifalthist is the same age as me, ouch that gives me pain

Bros reacting to a reaction of a vid and laughs at his own joke, i cant bro

Are you scared Gerbert will make some good points that you can't debunk? Just watch the video instead of going to the comments and fighting his community instead of him

I don't know anything about the dude but I love how Vaush spent like 2 minutes actually watching his response lol

I wish you spent time going through his actual response rather than his audience's comments.

Vaush and Gerbert should chat lol. You guys don’t actually disagree on that much in reality.

bruh stop skipping the video man

They should talk in person! I mean online in person

vaush seems like he already made up his mind about gerbert and placed gerbert inside a box he could understand before he ever decided to watch gerbbys video. Then he instantly skipped half the video to dissect very specific fragments of media that he could easily argue against. He uses ad hominem attacks against gerbert as a person to make himself seem smarter and more insightful. It would be similar to pausing a song every 15 seconds to slander how the previous notes in the music was dog shit, instead of listening to the entire song to make a critique of the music.

I feel like much of the hate in the vid comes from the tittle. Both Vaush and Gerbert seem to agree on almost everything regarding to the video but Vaush still calls him an incel on the tittle, and that predisposes everyone against him. Like genuenly id like Vaush so much more if he didnt call everyone he gets a bad impression of a nazi or an incel. It feels like he jumps to conclusions trough prejudice and stereotypes way too fast. Wich is in theory the least lefty thing you can do. Wich makes him appear dishonest, as hes this lefty that fights discrimination but throws stereotypes arround as actual arguments often

Vaush in a nutshell: Caricature for thee but not for me.

Funny thing is that the whole video was basically Vaush reading the comment section as opposed to actually doing what he said in the title, reacting to the video. It’s easy to misconstrue and not understand Gerbs points if you don’t get to hear them in the first place. Maybe next time watch the video bruh 🤤

"If i move forward a bit," skips the whole video

He’s kinda not bad looking. Is it just me? If he was gay don’t think he’d have as many self worth issues.

His commenters were so offended and defensive, shees

That guys comment section is literally this meme. Npc: I can't socialize with others anymore. Vaush: have you tried going outside? Npc 😡

JUST GO OUTSIDE

There is a scientific reason why people don't like listening to their own voices. When you talk, you don't just hear the voice that everybody else hears, but your voice makes your scull vibrate and transmit low-frequency vibrations straight to your inner ear, so your voice sounds deeper to you than to everybody else or recordings.

Whats so painfully ironic is that Vaush is one of the few people on the left who takes men's mental health seriously. He's the one arguing for these clowns getting help and they treat him like this.

Feel like vaush is just responding to responses constantly so he can get the last laugh. Kind of cringe

What was the point in even responding lol. Literally skips most of the video while cherry picking here and there and then goes into the comments. If you're going to have the audacity to attempt to patronise someone; at least have the decency to hear what they have to say. This just comes across as incredibly arrogant

Its a crime to skip the freestyle

I like how we watching, a reaction video, to a reaction video, to a reaction video, to a video. this is a meta level youtube content folks

I got out of anime specifically because most of it became boy has a harem.

Vaush skipped the entire video tho

Facial hair adds like 10 years of age on a young adult male

12:25 see how vaush skips past this comment when there’s a strong argument that even he knows he’s in the wrong completely

This is why I stopped playing video games and watching anime and now only read depressing 19th century Russian literature.

I know of gerbert and i dont think he is genuinely bad faith, so a convo with him would probably be worthwhile and interesting.

Im one hundered percent sure that vaushes: I am a chad, i can have anyone, getting girls is easy schtick is made up so he doesnt have to respond to anti feministst talking points when it comes to dating

I think a lot of those comments confuse the simplicity of vaush’s solutions with them being easy. They solution to male loneliness is simple, we know how to solve it, but it’s not always easy and it not being easy doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. I usually use darksouls combat as an example. When you boil it down, it’s pretty simple dodge or block when the enemy attacks, hit when they’re not attacking, but it’s still hard. I just see this tendency with incels I knew in real life too. There’s always a narrative they use to justify not improving at all.

Don’t worry dude, your voice is really annoying to me too.

Yeah, I am more forgiving when talking to a true believer on a topic, even if I disagree with their belief completely

we don't have splitscreen anymore because publishers decided they'd rather make everyone buy their own console, copy of the game and online subscription instead of letting more than one person play the game on a single consle at a time. People playing splitscreen probably aren't buying DLC or loot crates either, if they're even playing online. Its just publishers being greedy buttholes and not wanting to give players choices that don't funnel them into spending money on microtransactions, they don't want you doing anything that isn't in some way monetized.

Maybe I skipped too much of the original video, but he just seemed like a regular guy introspecting, pondering on relatable anxieties. But from his video thumbnails, the blackpill ingredients are there.

That dude will get back on the right track eventually. He's just young and confused. He doesn't seem like the type of dude who would go the Sneako route of adapting your character to your audience.

Weird deflection here: 11:35. I refuse to accept the rationalization that porn isn’t objectification. That’s bent logic. It’s dishonest.

9:30 Literally got invited to a dnd group last con I went to earlier this month

We gotta get this guy on stream

The biggest issue I have with Vaush's (and Hasan's) "chadvice" segments is that they're always the most general "no shit" bunk. Like I absolutely understand the cynicism towards him in the comments. He literally shouts "Go outside" like he thinks that's being helpful. I doubt there are many people whose minds you're blowing by suggesting they socialize and make friends or get some exercise. Really the only _good_ advice someone in Vaush's position can give is to seek professional counsel because these issues always come from a very personal place and he is a distant stranger to everyone he's talking to. Not to mention he himself has stated that he's never even struggled with what he's giving "advice" about to begin with.

What people don't understand is that yes the solution to being and incel is JUST learning how to socialize, just like any other skill you get it with practice, so yes go outside, take a shower, dress nice and be normal are actual advices, there's no "behavioral analysis" vídeo that will help you out. Ffs we do that with dogs, you gotta socialize them and make sure they learn how to behave around other people and other animals what makes those guys think there's a secret formula to a basic process that every person should go through

This is turning into that Bo Burnam covid special scene where he starts commentating on himself and gets stuck in a loop.

Vaush babyeeeey its time to get schwifty

Gerberts videos seem slightly off to me but im clearly missing incel dogwhistles because the comment sections are psycotic beyond belief.

Yeah but Vaush watch the whole damn video. I mean you do that for everything else lol I didn’t like the skipping around tbh

I hate how vaush skips entire sections of videos, it's annoying. Like in the reaction vaush skips a large section of it, gerbert literally points this out and the funny thing is vaush skips over that in this video.

the 5:39 "go outside... please" shout is my wake up alert sound on my phone from now on

Vaush actually has debate bro phrenology

The best advice to not Chad splain is to tell them to keep putting your energy out there. Absolutely do not tell someone to become something else. People are not golem, people are as people is.

Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity applies to this group so much.

A microwave is *not* the most appropriate device to use for drying an umbrella.

common Vaush W

8:35 I love how this has been exactly my life at times, due to depression, with plenty of sexual possibilities.😂 I wuz unshowered, barely dressed, stuck inside on the couch all day... either getting rammed daily or fighting off mates cuz I didn't want any. Pretty sad, and certainly caused by depression and social anxiety, not celibacy.