bruuuhhh i would've shite my pants😭😂🫂

darn... true story friend? Ouch!!!!! you might have opened a wound. Diddo you know of singer legend of Quebec city, Alys Robitaille? Alias Alys Robi??? Brave woman... lived through hell of adjacent to loboto-manipulations of the cranium and brain typicasl of the era... cannot 'member which though

Was it gone, or did they perform Psychiatric Surgery on you and you lost the ability to perceive the certificate?? 😱

It’s true, I was trying to read the name of the “issuer” and I believe it was Dr. Freeman but I’m not 100% on that, it was a couple feet away from me on the wall, I would’ve had to stand up and look closely at it. But I didn’t, and next visit, it was gone from the wall. I’m 50 years old myself and this doctor was much older than me, definitely could have been from the 1950’s. Or 1960’s…

i need you to stare right into the red blinking section of this pen

You cry at your mother’s death and you get lobotomised, you don’t cry at your mother’s death and you get executed

Heartbreaking 😢

Horrifying and criminal!

No. No no no no

That poor man, I hope he’s at peace now

Well at least that story had a happy ending, unlike for those poor souls who were ruined by lobotomy.

there are so many instances of rape and molestation in institutions , that I have to be Negative Nancy and call bullshizzzz on "virginity"....

@@timflippance3040was it a happy ending? Her entire life was taken from her and there was only a small section at the end where she was able to be “free”. She was branded as a sexual deviant and a burden to her family until almost the end. I assume those mental scars never faded. I just don’t understand why you felt there’s a need to compare trauma. The example op gave is another shocking example of the horrific mental health system. It all ties together.

​@@timflippance3040 Do you think they ' know'? 🙈🙊🙉

@@BlueBonnie764 No neither of them know, because dementia robs you of the necessary insight to realise that you have lost a lot of your mental powers

Nowadays they just put them under conservatorship like my twin sister. She's not even allowed to use the internet.

Today Karen's just abuse everyone en masse Not much better possibly worse tbh

​@@nuclearcatbaby1131nowadays they make them teachers 😆

Just watched finished watching a fine doc on here called “Finding Lillian”.

Lock them away for being an embarrassment.

Wow no wonder the older generations are so adverse to mental health treatment. Professionals back then jad no empathy for their patients 😢

@@sillygo0oser I'm not sure that "empathy" is the right word. People can mean well and still do horrible things, out of what the doctors of that era seemed lacking in - humility. They played God, ignored ethical concerns and trampled personal boundaries, convinced that what they were doing was right, because they refused to think much about their own fallibility.

@@Astronomy_Videos Exactly. For all we know, most of those surgeons conducting the lobotomies really thought they were being helpful and caring. As time goes on, we'll find the same thing out about practices happening in this current age.

No hope in going to the past come to the loving savior today Seek his Holy Spirit in prayer today he can give you peace confort and guidance today Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Come to Jesus Christ today Jesus Christ is only way to heaven Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today John 3:16-21 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Mark 1.15 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Hebrews 11:6 6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Jesus

This kinda makes sense as to why the older generation sees mental health as taboo

I remember her! I don’t remember the exact mechanism, but basically the lupus was causing her immune system to attack her brain. Just horrible. 😢

Also, see the movie Brain on Fire, with Chloe Grace Moretz and Carrie Anne Moss. How many suffered before understanding took hold?

There are sadly multiple people in this situation and others that are in similar situations in our psychiatric led institutions. Having worked in this area for 8 years the stories I could tell are horrific.

How could she have had lupus when it's never lupus?

@@DavidRYates-tk2tq Is that a House reference?

What's most terrifying about this is that OCD is so spiritually draining and stressful that people might actually volounteer to get a lobotomy

what's really messed up is that the drugs used for OCD basically effect the same part of the brain that is manipulated in a lobotomy. Not that I'm advocating for lobotomies at all in any way, but arguably OCD drugs are just a chemical way to accomplish the same goal... and have just as many side effects. Pick your poison, I guess.

@Marlin123 There was a guy who tried to self end with a g* n. The bllt didn’t end up having the desired effect, but it did end up curing his ocd. There was a point in my life where that sounded very appealing. Luckily I ended up on an snri med that helped. It didn’t fix me, but it also didn’t destroy my brain. Anyway, to my fellow ocd survivors, keep going.

Sorry for all the silly censorship KZfaq is garbage

i have OCD Too,i Take Pills Every Day,But When Something Difficult Happens In My Life,I Need To Go See A Psychologist,I Just Think Sometimes In All Our Lives You Just Need To See Someone That Isn't A Family Member Or A Friend For A Different Approach,😺

Thats awful!! I live somewhat near Pennhurst, me, my friends, and all the kids around like to go there during Halloween because it's supposedly haunted by the patients who died there. But actually hearing about a real child, a person, who was there and died wrongfully is just so sad. When I go back there I'll definitely be thinking about your relative!

@@pippascode481 thank you, that's nice that you'll be thinking of him. Unfortunately I have relatives on both sides who went to, and ultimately died at, pennhurst. Apparently there are quite a few buried on the grounds, but in order to get the remains you have to prove you're a descendant. Of course a 12yo has no children, so my mom has hit a roadblock there.

That's so incredibly tragic, that poor boy. Pennhurst was a building of pure misery and suffering, truly evil. I hope one day your family can successfully retrieve his remains, he doesn't deserve to rest where he was torturedn none of the parients do, rest their souls.

VERY GOOD POINT!

Citation needed

True, but it changed him from being a thoughtful and sensitive boy into something much simpler and cruder.

That’s what I thought too…. So when his frontal lobe fully developed it essentially made up for the messed up nerves I guess

@@connorgoetjes6758 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dully

euh... which society would that be ? The US ?

@@autohmae varies state by state, I'd be surprised if this isn't describing Florida though.

this is why i never tell anyone about my negative SH type thoughts. i feel like i have to beat around the bush when talking to my therapist when i do, but i have meds and theyre working but im always afraid if it gets worse ill have nowhere to turn because this is how they treat us, which sucks and makes it that much harder to change, let alone get help.

@@autohmae Definitely not any state here in Australia as he'd be proclaimed the saviour of the world with his powers!!!! Same as in New Zealand or Canada - all far left woke sess pools.

Ya I would like to hear "society's side of the story" of why u got put in there lol. I bet it would change everyone's opinion here

Yeah, I have terrible ptsd from psych ward experiences and the worst thing is I feel like I can’t talk about it with a therapist because I am afraid of not getting taken seriously.

@@tomhanson4008I can't speak for all, but most therapists I've talked to have been very sympathetic to my traumatic hospital stays. One even agreed with me on several points that I was making.

For real.

@@tomhanson4008 Or worse, they’ll defend it and say it was for the best.

I'm so sorry that happened ❤. My Dr considered it for me a long time ago. Thankfully he decided not to suggest it. Wishing you healing

You still don't remember them? Or AS THEY TOLD YOU, you will have temporary memory loss. Do you feel better, or are you now latching onto temporary memory loss to be depressed?

@@dakawans83 BRUH HAVE SOME DECENCYY a person was severely depressed to the point of needing electroconvulsive therapy and you're just here saying these things to them

This is sort of what the film Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind deals with. It's wonderful to be able to forget the pain but what else goes with it?

I’m so sorry that happened to you dude. I’m really hoping it wasn’t forced on you. I take meds and I can’t remember basic conversations or who I was hanging out with either.

what.

Oof. Good luck with your continued recovery!

I hope the tumor is completely gone. Make sure you are doing mobility exercises in your daily downtime. This is similar to what happened with my dad and the mobility stretches made a huge difference.

I too had a brain tumor removed in 2012 at St. Anthony’s hospital. I still have bad balance, as well as forgetfulness. Plus, they put implants in me 😢

I have had two small brain tumors removed over the years. For me microdosing psilocybin has greately improved my cognitive abilities to a point where I feel the best I ever have been.

Holy crap, Julie! I've never heard of an entire forehead being cut out like that. I thought they always go in from the top/sides/back because of how thick the forehead is. That is an amazing story and I'm glad you made it. Was the tumor cancerous or no?

I mean, some men still want that kind of life. 😕

​@@kreskin0079 Some women still want that kind of life

@@croutendo2050 to be lobotomized? Sign me up

@@kreskin0079 Oh yes I know. Just last year I had a friend of a friend approach me asking about my work. Then he asked if I could "hypnotize people" and when I said yes, he asked if he could pay me to hypnotize his wife to be less intelligent and more docile towards him and less argumentative. I told him it was possible with enough sessions but would be unethical unless she knew what was going on. Then he lost interest because this was obviously for him and not her.

@@ihmen that's awful. Wow

So very sad, the medieval medicine then was barbaric.

@@jeaniehammond40 It really is sad. She was only 14 when she was institutionalized, and she stayed in health care facilities for her entire life. From what I was told, she got lobotomized when she was a teen. She horrifically even had a baby while in one of said institutions. It is hard to believe how recently this barbaric BS was happening.

​@@anactualprayingmantis5054 that's messed up

Oh my, that’s awful! I pray for all victims of this awful procedure!

@jeaniehammond40 how exactly a procedure done in the 1950s medieval (time period between ~500-1500 AD)?

Isn't it awesome what therapy and little magical pills can do these days? No more ice picks to the brain for us xD

Five? That's crazy. Hope you still have time for yourself. But some people enjoy their kids selflessly so maybe you're one of these. Anyways, hope you're good.

🦾🦾🦾

But what has it cost our society? So much. So much.

It's worth checking out Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind: A Powerful Plan to Improve Mood, Overcome Anxiety, and Protect Memory for a Lifetime of Optimal Mental Health Book by Dr Georgia Ede Beyond that, psilocybin mushrooms. ✌️😉

That's not true. Together, they developed the Freeman-Watts technique for prefrontal lobotomy, and completed over 200 procedures between about 1936-1945. In 1945, Freeman adapted the procedure, moving to the periorbital method. This is the procedure that disturbed Watts, and led to his decision to sever ties with Dr. Freeman.

Is Walter Freeman related to Gordon Freeman?

@@venicalfebgaming73 explains why Gordon doesn’t talk

Fascinating

You probably never knew her when she was a sensitive, caring, intelligent but troubled woman

@@mxRian4 Lmfao

I mean, I've never had a lobotomy but I've smoked an entire pack of cigs while drinking at a party.. (not good, I know. Alcohol makes smokers smoke more for some reason)

@@StrangeScaryNewEngland Well, alcohol is a depressant, so it probably makes nicotine (a stimulant) less effective, thus needing to smoke more to get the same effect. And combining stimulants with depressants is really stressful for the body

I made a comment expressing the sentiment. A biographer of Rosemary Kennedy's actually bothered to look through her archived notebooks and she was mostly fine. She did better, academically, after she was transferred to a school with different teaching methods ('30s-'40s Montessori). She was a middle 1 of 8 siblings, statistically, one of them will be more willful than the rest!

I've wondered that myself, too. Was she really ill or was she just inconveniently autonomous for a daughter?

The reason Rosemary was mental ill was because when she was being born the doctor was not in the Kennedy home. So the nurse held Rosemany in for something like 90min causing lack of oxygen to the brain causing permanent brain damage

She enjoyed life too much

I'm inclined to think she had bipolar disorder.

NGL I got to see a betterhelp therapist a couple times through a work program. I was thoroughly impressed with the treatment I got. Only reason I quit going was that I left that job.

I really thought that outro was going into a better help sponsor spot and was bracing myself

You funny

Yep, another one who was bracing for that.

@@Paperbatvgchampion there are good therapists on there for sure (I used to see one as well). The big issue is that the company was selling patient data.

There wasn’t much she could do. Joe Sr (may that man rot in the lowest pit of Hell) was also a serial cheater (among other lovely personality traits and behaviors) and at one point, Rose actually left him, but was told by her father “you can only forgive once”. Thus she stayed but chose to look the other way. I think Rose either suspected or she figured out what her husband had done. However, since he wouldn’t tell anyone about where Rosemary was and clearly didn’t respect his wife, he kept his mouth shut. Rose (knowing her husband pretty well by this point) just did what she had always done, knowing it was a lost cause.

Joe Kennedy was a monster. My family had first hand experience with him. It didn’t end well.

@@janeyrevanescence12 exactly. Absolutely a disgusting excuse for a human

Now tell us the history of the trans cult.

​@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 ?????

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 tf that got to do with anything????

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017the wat??

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Me when I am a normal person and not at all weirdly obsessed with weird bigotry

I mean, have you not had interactions with people online, where you would consider such to be a success and a positive contribution to "Life, The Universe and Everything"?

Isn't that what modern psych meds are supposed to do?

Technically they "cured" the behaviour problems" But its the same as saying a dead person has all its problems solved.

Same thing with "anti depressants". They literally have the side effects of possibly making someone more depressed, but also the side effects of feeling nothing at all any more. So that's considered an effective treatment. ADHD, just take a kid who hates being sat in school all day and wants to be doing something more interesting, and just destroy their energy levels by dampening them with drugs. Person thinks theres something wrong with their body, in certain cases it's considered valid treatment to make futile attempts to change their body to fit their beliefs. Psychology and medicine is still very much a joke in how they consider certain things to be a success or not.

@@ChrispyNut no because i'm not a psychopath and can understand that even if someone says some horrible stuff online, blocking them is an easy enough procedure that putting them into a vegetative state is unneeded, unwarranted and a completely nuts response to "mean words on screen"

Which some men desired from their wives which is why so many "opinionated " women were victims of this procedure. I cannot imagine how much potential we've lost, loosing the life and light in their minds:(

@@margodphd So true

horse man

Bojack, obviously​@@francisyankovic

@@nashnasheeta better to a bojack then a joseph

Yes . . .

Agreed 1000%...All shrinks are fucking nuts 🤪

and he also was aperantly extreamly bigoted

And then some have the nerve to say conditions are invented. This is what happened to people who had conditions just 100 years ago.

Still do 😎

yea...I have both traditional epilepsy and NES's (non epileptic seizures) caused by other things. hearing about older procedures like this both fascinates and scares me ngl. i still wouldn't let anyone near my brain even with all the "improvements" science has made

Yeah my mom is Bipolar 1, and I was always so terrified of what used to be done. Worse now, that I've been diagnosed with a personality disorder.

Nobody's bipolar, but my son is extreme ADHD, my wife has agoraphobia/hyperactive anxiety/occasional depression, my nephew is autistic and my half-brother is on the spectrum ("Asperger's" - can't hold a job, can't hold a relationship, barely graduated high school, is 26 but acts 18). It's a really big issue in my family. At least 1 or 2 of them would have been lobotomy candidates 😢

@@User31129 what do you mean nobody's bipolar?? also aspergers is an out dated term

@@nenerosey From his wording and punctuation, he said nobody in his family is bipolar. As for Asperger's being "outdated" Yes, because using specific terminology for specific sets of issues became unfashionable. Using wide-open, non-specific terms makes it way easier for everyone to jump on the bandwagon and have an 'ism' to wash away responsibility for things like bad or lazy parenting.

Ice picks may have been replaced with chemical lobotomies

Same! I'm disabled, as much as I love old values... how the people of the time treated non-fully able bodied people was just terrible! Lobotomies were done to even the mildest, this is truly wild. The 21st century has it's stupidity and bad decisions, but 70 years ago also had its fair share of problems. x.x

Yes, you would have been reduced to a very simple, unimaginative and dull person.

Cool story bro

As an autistic woman who was fucked up enough to get picked out for examination... I feel this. I got misdiagnosed, and 0 help. I got fucked up a lot. And all I needed was psychoeducation and maybe medication. Unfortunately, I developed depression age 11. Beat it later in life somewhere in my 25ths. Unfortunately, it made my cognitive problems worse. The neglect, and depression have lasting effects worse than what I started with.

5 years wouldn't have made a difference, unless you're like 60 years old.

Yes . . .

According to the hospital 👹

Laughed so hard when I read "Ghosts in your blood" 🤣 😭 I have to remember this!

I remember a story my grandmother told me about the doctor who delivered her. This was 1931, in a very small town. Apparently he was so drunk that when he delivered her, he didn’t know what day or time it was so her birthdate is wrong on her birth certificate. He was paid for his services with a sack of potatoes.

Can I smoke rocks instead? I learned how to make them in my late teenage years 😁

Medicine has always existed. Quackery has always existed. The "puritans" were highly fanatical and reshaped american medicine into total nonsense. Americans, and to a lesser exent westerners, have a tremendous affinity for 'quick fixes' that purport to be mechanistic in a clearly explainable way. Lobotomies were invented in the 50s, yet the earliest evidence of brain surgery is in skulls from tens of thousands of years ago.

@@sarahhunter2855Or as they called them back then a sack a taters.

Its kinda like the phrase bless there heart ❤😂

Agreed, those “best of intentions” excluded the individual’s wellbeing, all consideration was for the “collective interests” of a highly authoritarian, conformist society. Irregardless of if there was or wasn’t a real medical issue (as plenty had nothing medically wrong with them), these treatments were never about improving the patient’s life, it was always about providing other people (the parents and/or a spouse) an “improved” version of the patient that can be properly controlled by other people. Conformity was so important they’d rather someone exist in a vegetive state in an asylum for the rest of their lives than be a fully realised individual who rejects societal norms. Women in particular who didn’t submit to their predetermined role in society were frequent victims of forced institutionalisation and/or lobotomies. Additionally, rather than trying to help someone genuinely suffering from a mental illness, all the sympathy went to the family and all treatment was about lessening the impact the mental illness and/or neurodivergence was having on them, not the individual suffering from it. Consequently, the wellbeing of the patient was sacrificed for the wellbeing of everyone else.

Yesterday's lobotomy is today's sex-change surgery. We're not doing lobotomies, but we're doing something just as destructive and irreversible. And, like lobotomies, a minority of the masses are brainwashed into believing it's a good thing.

Yes these were, and are experiments

agreed, it was difficult to listen to the types of what was essentially torture described, and believe that the people doing it had "the best intentions" in mind.

Oh yes let's follow the science?

In the future there will be many documentaries made about the current day equivalents and their inevitably fallout... makes me sad, I wish we could learn from history, but we are doomed to forever repeat it...

Iud insertion sans pain relief springs to mind

We're not waiting 50 years. We're doing it now.

I'm curious to see if, as we develop and better understand AI, we see computational parallels to mental illness, and if tackling those challenges might lead to better mental health solutions in humans.

nah mate it's worse, it's taking out bits of hardware too.

Figuratively*

God created the codes

@@standalone2012 no

@@Mutantcy1992 Do you ever look at a painting and figure it created itself? Or buildings - that they just formed out of nothing, all on its own? Or that a computer just put itself together? No? Of course not. Something from nothing is silly. Creation begs for the explanation of a creator.

I may have heard of a lobotomy, but did not really appreciate what it was until near the end of the 1982 biopic, Frances, about the life of actress Frances Farmer, played by Jessica Lange. Farmer was not mentally ill.

Craziest part of this story is you have neither a motorcycle or a son. 😮

Apparently I’m not the same and don’t even speak the same after several concussions and TBIs. I’ve had a shit ton of therapy and I’m somewhat “back”, but I’m a lot more introverted and a loaner now. At least that’s all I can tell. If you ask family and friends you’d probably get a different answer.

​@@scoliosys8311try shrooms. Seriously. Look into it for TBI.

@@scoliosys8311 Being a loaner should not cause any problems as long as the others give it back reliably.

Tailor made babies.

There is so much more to say. Surprized this vid didn't go for 2 hours?

Maybe Joe can get into some of that in a future episode. I didn't know about the continuing changes as a patient is psychotic for longer. I do remember that, as a teenager, parents could no longer institutionalize an uncooperative teen easily but it still happened. A psychology teacher in high school (70s) talked about it and made everyone write down the ACLU number to call if they were arrested and that seemed to be the next step. (You know, back when most of us could remember a dozen phone numbers.)

@@silentm999 A lot of homeless and street people.

@@kitefan1 I hope Joe does do more on this. I retired two years ago. I was fairly expert at addressing substance use disorders in professionals, but I was never trained to deal with psychotic disorders. I recently stumbled across a KZfaq short from a woman called SchizoKitzo, and felt like my eyes were opened for the first time. My "broad" exposure to psychotic disorders was really incredibly limited, and I've learned more about people with psychoses just watching KZfaq videos in the last two months than I gained in my entire career. For the first time I view them as real people. I could have been much more competent if I'd had this experience 40 years ago. I've already talked to my old agency's investigators about training they might consider for them and agency lawyers.

lmao, you got me. I laughed out loud when I read this hhahha

same lmfaooo

I thought that too-until I saw your comment 😭

Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death??

@@nevergiveup5939 I'm so thankful to know all these answers. ☺

All in the name of science. SICK

Wow 😮

That's what midcenturies Germans were talking about when they said "blood" too. Not even joking, and most definitely not supporting that ideology, but it is a super common historical misunderstanding where people just assume that blood refers to genetics/people, but they were actually referring to the mind/soul of the German people. (Again: not supporting that ideology. I need to make that abundantly clear).

I'm so sorry you've gone through that.

How awful. I'm glad you are able to function somewhat and understand/express what's happening. Please, please be sure you've "covered all the bases" for any nutritional causes or treatments. Please look into gluten and dairy intolerance, possible exposure to toxins like mold or heavy metals (there are so many possibilities), and vitamin deficiencies, perhaps starting with D, magnesium, and B12. There are documentaries and educational videos about all of these topics on KZfaq. Don't just go on the first 1-2, but watch at least a dozen by different people with different approaches, until something starts to make sense. My personal belief is that since the brain is part of the body, we should assume it's a physical problem like every other illness or condition, rather than treat the brain as something special we can't quite understand. It's an organ, right? The chemical imbalance theory has never been proven (and in fact has probably been disproven in many ways), and the last thing I read or heard was that now they don't think it's about serotonin either. I couldn't remember where I saw that, so I did a quick search and anyone can do the same, but here's a snippet from a website called The Conversation. Someone could look up the article by its title. I have become passionate about knowing the truth about depression not only because I have it (moderately) and have been able to reverse it with things like B vitamins, vitamin D, magnesium, and a gluten-free diet, but because I've seen too many friends who go on medication and either aren't helped or are made worse. Please be your own advocate and become an expert on your own problems! Doctors don't really have time to keep up with the latest research, and they aren't trained in nutrition. I wish you ALL THE BEST!! ----------- Depression is probably not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain - new study Published: July 20, 2022 1:12am EDT Updated: July 21, 2022 6:32am EDT For three decades, people have been deluged with information suggesting that depression is caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain - namely an imbalance of a brain chemical called serotonin. However, our latest research review shows that the evidence does not support it. Although first proposed in the 1960s, the serotonin theory of depression started to be widely promoted by the pharmaceutical industry in the 1990s in association with its efforts to market a new range of antidepressants, known as selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs. The idea was also endorsed by official institutions such as the American Psychiatric Association, which still tells the public that “differences in certain chemicals in the brain may contribute to symptoms of depression”. Countless doctors have repeated the message all over the world, in their private surgeries and in the media. People accepted what they were told. And many started taking antidepressants because they believed they had something wrong with their brain that required an antidepressant to put right. In the period of this marketing push, antidepressant use climbed dramatically, and they are now prescribed to one in six of the adult population in England, for example. For a long time, certain academics, including some leading psychiatrists, have suggested that there is no satisfactory evidence to support the idea that depression is a result of abnormally low or inactive serotonin. Others continue to endorse the theory. Until now, however, there has been no comprehensive review of the research on serotonin and depression that could enable firm conclusions either way. At first sight, the fact that SSRI-type antidepressants act on the serotonin system appears to support the serotonin theory of depression. SSRIs temporarily increase the availability of serotonin in the brain, but this does not necessarily imply that depression is caused by the opposite of this effect. There are other explanations for antidepressants’ effects. In fact, drug trials show that antidepressants are barely distinguishable from a placebo (dummy pill) when it comes to treating depression. Also, antidepressants appear to have a generalised emotion-numbing effect which may influence people’s moods, although we do not know how this effect is produced or much about it. (etc.)

I did 3 months of ECT twice a week. I had some brief hypomania after a couple sessions, but for the most part I came out feeling exactly the same, and seemingly no memory issues. I was so comfortable with the procedure that I started waving bye bye to the staff just b4 the anaesthesia put me out. I don't say this to discredit or downplay your experience, but rather point out that it's a very different experience for everyone and as far as I'm aware has the highest odds of recovery out of any other treatment for people with major depression and gives people who've tried therapy and medications a last resort that actually has a chance of helping them where nothing else would.

We have proper terms for "sewer slide" like "wanting to end it all."

I almost had to do ECT bc no medication was treating my mental health well at all. luckily i finally found a combination that worked for me when I was around 20 so I didnt have to, but it was very close bc i feel like i had tried every medication on earth. it turns out the medication that works for me isnt allowed for people under 18!

That means a lot, thank you!

Why are we here in this life? Why do we die? What will happen to us after death??

@@nevergiveup5939 your mom

​@@nevergiveup5939 Q; Why are we here in this life.? A; Chemistry. Q; Why do we die.? A; Chemistry. Q; What happens to us after death.? Guess what...... A; Oh, it's chemistry. Again.

@@AnOldeSpartan lol

@@nevergiveup5939 no really... chemistry

Bad voice dictation, no biscuit. The word is segue, even if French spelling is an abomination against Latin.

Does it rhyme with hodgers?

I always felt it was improper to attribute his behavioral changes to brain damage alone. I reckon anyone who has a meter of steel rod blasted through their skull would experience behavioral changes regardless of brain damage, shits traumatic. Left him disfigured and disabled, little more than a circus attraction. I'd be irritable too

15:04 didn't the Press give his vehicle that name? Didn't Jack Kevorkian use a similar vehicle for his trade?

18:00 ECT is a modern non-invasive version - medical doctors regard as not proven safe but psychiatrists swear by them.

Now they prefer a handheld Mixmaster as it's much quicker and effective.​@@KOZMOuvBORG

ironically not that different since alcohol harms every cell in your body every time you consume more than 1 - 2 low % beers

@@saturationstation1446 a bottle rarely renders you a vegetable in one go

​@@AammaK 😂😂😂 big facts!

Firesign Theater is magnificent, I used to listen with my uncle when we were tri... well, nevermind. lol

That was expanded to: I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobotomy.

????

​​@@chewycooking9013it's a misspelled timestamp it's 1:29

​@@stevensteph3153Ur the goat, thx

I was too oh my god

that poster has ADD on it too, which became a diagnoseable thing in 1980. I almost think it might be a subtle satirical reference, definitely from the after-lobotomy time.

The term "post-traumatic stress disorder" came into use in the 1970s, in large part due to the diagnoses of U.S. military veterans of the Vietnam War.[25] It was officially recognized by the American Psychiatric Association in 1980 in the third edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

So it seems like the poster shown is a spoof. But given the context in which it is shown, it's likely that whoever chose to include it, didn't realise that and took it at face value.

Not sure but it evolved from Shell Shock to Battle Fatigue to PTSD somewhere in the 70s.

You know, there is a point when dysgenics becomes a concern as well. Why have that many kids knowing you’re passing on the same issues?

@@donovanchilton5817 first, none of your business. Second, disabled people have always been and always will be, there is no ethical way of getting rid of all disabilities and disorders. And we don't have to. People are perfectly capable of helping and taking care of each other. Passing on issues... Do you hear yourself? What do you propose we do?

@@anitamihholap5926 hes right tho why r u bringing more people into a worse life

If you think autism is an “issue” or that they have a worse life then you need to research autism. You have been misinformed. 1 in 52 births so you definitely know some who you don’t realize are autistic.

I have a son who is autistic and I think his dad is as well. I had a great great aunt who was eventually institutionalized. Census record ms suggest that she was likely autistic. I was horrified to learn that the hospital was known for sterilizing their patients so they could not have children and pass their “conditions” on. It made me cry thinking of what could have happened had my son been born in a different time.

For anyone interested in the science, look up the human dive response.

"Gender" surgery

@@jonparsons6818Gender affirming surgeries literally save people’s lives (including those of my friends who have had gender affirming surgery). I implore you to learn from those who have had gender affirming surgeries about their experiences before going off about something you clearly don’t understand.

@jonparsons6818 Shut up

@@jonparsons6818 Exactly this.

@@jonparsons6818we already think they are barbaric and absurd

We're still largely in the dark ages of mental illness treatment. Talk therapy and its offshoots like DBT are the most precise and refined treatments we have. Different medicines help some people and not others, and the only way to tell if it will help, hurt or do nothing is to try. Like lobotomies, it's akin to hitting a broken machine with a hammer with very little understanding of how the machine works. Medicines are just a more gentle hammer that's more likely to help. Maybe one day we'll have scans that can tell just what's going wrong and where. Then we might stand a chance of correcting things reliably with medicine or surgery.

What condition did you have?

@@TheSalami General anxiety disorder combined with insomnia, obsessive compulsive disorder and the autism spectrum. I probably have some type of trauma but nothing diagnosed because too me the doctors are pointless... They couldn't help me with my anxiety so there's no way they'd help me with trauma. I've been doing better simply by trying to be excessively positive in my thinking and that has helped a lot; whenever that negative voice comes too my head I tell it to go screw itself and I tell myself something positive instead and this has helped a lot

I have anxiety, am doing much better now. But the first doctor I went to tried to send me to an eating disorder ward. Thank the Gods the nurse in charge of the ward listened to me and refused to take me.

@@lizanna6390 good to hear your doing better. Anxiety can be devastating

That's for sure. I'm a lot more cynical and frustrated from permanent head pain. At the beginning I was on my bed wishing my organs would shut up because they were too loud. I have the joy of being surrounded by cars with stereos that threaten a window's integrity. My head just wanted to explode from the throbbing pain. It took months of exposure therapy to handle even the faintest of light. Years of just getting the pain low enough to function is why I can interact with the world again. It took years to come to terms with what I lost. I'm unable to focus on anything for very long. Basically, once I have a thought I'm distracted by something. It might be something I really enjoy, but I barely can stay focused. I get along with only a couple of people. It gets pretty lonely. People online are easier since I can take forever to respond to them.

Same! I don't know if it's intentional or an unfortunate coincidence. It will probably get clicks though...

The ice picks were actually pretty sharp. Oh, you mean...

It was and is barbaric 😎

I agree, but be careful drinking ice cold water too fast, the sudden intake of too much cold liquid can cause unconsciousness because it irritates the vagus nerve, it's quite common on hot days when people try to cool down too quickly

The Kennedys are, as a group, AT BEST average intelligence. Calling any of them "hyper intelligent" is pure comedy.

Bro stop a$s worshipping those billionaires. They're not rich because they're smart. They're smart because they can afford higher education. Also they're not above average level mathematics geniuses lmfao

@@samuelclemens6841 That's how that earlier generation regarded themselves. Again, I really need to find that one biography; Rosemary's mother was reported to have said that Rosemary "couldn't keep up" with the family dinner discussions. Obviously, I don't have a time machine to see if these dinner talks had intellectual rigor or if it was ivory tower nonsense. My interpretation is that Rosemary would have been the type more at ease talking about the latest celebrity gossip rather than commenting on sociopolitical issues.

She was also “difficult” (aka not a subservient young woman). I think that’s a huge factor as to why her parents decided to get her lobotomized, and why lobotomies were more prevalent in females instead of males.

Hyper intelligent people don't approve of icepicks bring shoved in their child's skulls. Even some regular folk knew it was a bad idea.

also iirc a cold shower was also another method talked about. so i can see where they got the idea for the bath of surprise lol

I have an ice pick that can fix that for ya' 😂

when I sensed the sponsored segment and it turned out to not be better help, I sighed with relief out loud LMAO

and even naming them here would get you flagged...

@@johntowers1213 🎯💯

I wonder if the people who spoke up against lobotomies were also called bigots and told to "trust the science" 😭 both prey on the mentally ill and children

@@BigMamaMaple Yep, exactly the same tactics. Were told they would hurt themselves if they weren't lobotomised. It was for their own good!

Both eggshells and the solid parts of human bones are made of calcium carbonate. So it might sound like crunchier than eggshells but not as crunchy as bones snapping (e.g. bones from chicken legs)

fews things are more maniacal and blood thirsty than well off eurocentrics lol. they were just making up excuses to torture people. none of them believed what they were saying about improving health. i think its funny we still have issues with professionals not understanding that correlation doesnt mean causation. like with what parts of our brain do what, when we really dont even know if the signals that go through our brain originate from our brain or our guts. modern science is showing they are nearly equal with body communication

Oof

My fibula snapping when I dislocated my ankle sounded like a wishbone snapping, FWIW.

I'm very sorry for your loss

I think it removes survival instinct, rather than actually motivate it.

​@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavanano, it produces awful hallucinations that makes you crazy

@@Kannot2023 People eventually get used to them. Most of the time, they are not even very distressing. Just weird, random, and irrational.

I have had drug induced schizophrenia due to meth I was hearing voices 24/7 n seeing stuff I was in this psychosis for 3 to 4 months lost all sense of reality was convinced my family was watching me all the time I heard my family voices 24/7 saying stuff like kill yours self your worthless we know your a junkie and just other really crazy shit one night i heard loud police sirens n sounded like a high speed chase this went on all night I had strong delusions they were watchinge through the Alexa speaker lol could hear them literally talk shit when I would sit in front of that stupid speaker i finally snapped almost threw myself off a bridge but ended up walking to state hospital was there 3 weeks it felt so real but it was all a delusions I was in my own world for those months it was like a nightmare that never stopped

had to look it up but it seems to be - tor//turing you into masking better to ease the discomfort of those around you. have i interpreted it right?

@@vulcanfeline Kind of. I'm eccentric but most people generally like me, the therapy I had to endure back when I was a teenager was about hiding my personality from other people, it was drilled into me that people wouldn't like me if I didn't; in actual fact people did like me but after being subjected to ABA for about 5 years I was left a broken wreck and I have trust issues to this day because of it. I don't exactly know if therapy is better for people today but I know several autistic people my age and we all have scars from it.

@@metalcascade4634 from my autistic experience, masking like that doesn't work in the long term. tbh, idk what would work but that aba sounds horrible /hugz ps) i found a supportive community on a channel called "i have autism, now what"

​@@metalcascade4634I'm so sorry 💔

Haha, just don’t put the 4 year old up for collateral if your van breaks down outside of Toledo and you miss your next gig. That’s funny you said that though, I’ve been trying for half the video to figure out if this a re-upload, or if it was another channel that had a similar video. Or possibly I’m crazy and it was all in my head, but as soon as I saw your comment I remembered writing the exact same quote. And now that I’m passed the the rose Kennedy part and into the ice pick lobotomies part, I’m certain it’s a re-upload. Joe’s video got age restricted and had to cut out some of the disturbing images or something. It must have got age restricted due to the level of gore.

Existential Blues. Beautiful reference.

@@ZXChrisR14 oh yeah T-Bone! I was taking the Tom Waits from the Ferndale tonight route.

Yo what the fuck. You could've easily not said this and spared me from that horrible thought

@@Hirosjimma You're welcome

locked-in syndrome /shivers

Oh 💔 no

@@Hirosjimma Which was an excellent reason for him to say it, and for the rest of us to spread it. Far better for you to briefly think of a horror, than for somebody to have to possibly live it. There are people out there who would bring these surgeries back, given a chance. If the rest of us are living in a cozy world of illusion, shielded from the horrors, who will be motivated enough to stop them?

In 2024 a doctor can still bury his mistakes.Not even a car repairman cab get away with this

Jesus Christ bro I’m glad you made it

@@blueclay22222 so am I. Ty

Lmao I did too!

Just got to the bit about ice baths so apparently I wasn't actually to far off.

😂😂😂😂You donut.!!!!

Ice is relaxin' that's not too hooped-up if someone has a "mental illness." as well but the title was a little strange Imao