also it uses very little data.. very handy when working in remote locations or locations were data usage is expensive (looking at you Falkland Islands)

It's always funny when people from the US tell you to "just use facetime" often not even knowing it's a service exclusive to Apple devices. On other phones you have to use a supported browser just to connect with it meaning most users outside the Apple bubble can't use it at all.

not to forget it can be used for free international phone calls

@@jasonnchuleft894 Now I wonder the user distribution across ios/android in the US. With that tweet it sounds like iPhones would have >80% marketshare over there.

@@HappyBeezerStudios I think the main reason is that it's one of those Kleenex type deals over there, where a brand name has replaced the actual term in the common tongue. Most people probably don't even think about it.

Exactly

Not really a flatrate. Even today data caps are the norm, and compared to other countries like France or Sweden the caps are fairly low. But one big bonus is that whatsapp uses fairly little data (unless you sent voice messages and videos), so it allows for lots of texts without reaching the cap.

That doesn't answer the question why people didn't continue using established IMs like ICQ or why vastly superior newer services like discord aren't used more. But yes, the central issue is that the lackluster apple devices aren't seen as the standard here. Apple stuff is fine for people who want to use their devices only to a fraction of their capabilities and are fine with being extremely gagged by the manufacturers and are fine with paying more for that than necessary. Older people, people without any technological knowledge or interest, fanboys and similar. Sadly Android and most manufacturers are following apple like zombies and nowadays one has to search to even find android devices that aren't pretty crappy.

Dude, I totally forgot. :D But yeah true, it was exactly like that. ^^

@@beageler ICQ has always been shit and discord is an OK VoIP application (certainly an improvement over teamspeak), but it's not at all usable as a messenger.

Yes, that's it.

It clearly states that Munich has one of the highest fiber coverage throughout Germany. Using munich as a reference is not valid here. I live in a small city and get 1000/50. With a 3 minutes drive i can get to some places where 50 Mbits Download is already the best you can get. These places are covered with 5G mobile network up to 300 Mbits though.

@@feelmyhate2 and on the other hand there is Bonn, where I had max. 20 mbit download and 9 upload and No wifi there or in Meindorf/Sankt Augustin. But then again. It is rather rural there despite the Autobahn

@@feelmyhate2 you are right. Munich is not a good example for bad Internet speed. Justed mentioned our speed to say the opposite actually "this is what good speed can look like" But i commented more to make the other point about the Internet outside your home.

For work I daily cross the border from Schleswig Holstein to Hamburg and every single time the internet connection as well as the phone connection breaks down....

Emails can be legal documents, it's just the governmental internal regulations do not allow them to be accepted as such. If you receive a written warning for copyright infringement by mail you better react to it just as well as if you had gotten a formal letter. It is just as valid and considered just as received as a formal letter.

@@Finsternis.. not really. E-Mails have the same legal status as a postcard. If you get one for copyright infringement, that either comes from a country where emails are considered official mail (not sure if that is the case in America, but in Germany it has no legal binding even if it has somewhere else), from a company that wants you to believe it is official, or you'll get it in paper a few weeks after ignoring the mail.

The funny thing is, most company faxes are send via email as an PDF attachment nowadays. You scan your document, attach it and send it to your companys fax converter service which then delivers the fax. More often then not there is also a fax converter listening on the receivers end who converts it back to an email. You can even set this up yourself since many routers like the Fritzbox have this fax to email feature.

A signed fax has the same legal status like a signed email or a signed letter. But it is easier to sign a fax correctly than an email. Und faster than a letter. (But in some cases only a letter is valid, because it is the only true stuff. In such cases, also a fax is not valid.) A contract can have any medium. In most cases you don't need any written word for a contract. But it is good to have it. In these cases also a postcard or a chat message is a "legal document". Or a checkbox on a internet site. Theoretically also a sheet of toiled paper could be use. But there could be troubles with the seriousness... If someone delivers something to you without being ordered and you tacitly accept it, this is also sufficient for legally binding contract. (But this depends on the situation...) So, no! A fax has not more "legal status" than an email. It is very similar and for the most cases enough. But there are some cases, where you need a paper version. "schriftform" / "written form", but this does not mean the text of the contract, it means that you need the original signature of both signers. In such cases, a fax is not valid and you will may need a notary. In some of these "Schriftform"- cases there is also a mail with a digital signature valid or a "DE-Mail" (which is a special email from an certified provider), but nobody knows about it or how to get it.. 😄 But it is regulated by a law with one of the best names: "DE-Mail-Gesetz" 😄 (Normally german laws have very long and complex names. I.e. "Gesetz über Rahmenbedingungen für elektronische Signaturen" which is the law for digital signed documents.

@@chrimu Of course an email has no legal status if it is not confirmed via digital identity certification

I don't think it would be a bad thing to remove them completly. It should be opt in instead of opt out for the third party cookies. Like you visit a website and have no banner because it only uses the necessary cookies. If you want to install those datamining coockies you can klick a button somewhere on the buttom of the website. Easy as that.

That was the intention of the EU and the GDPR, and definitely the best for the users. But, you would not believe, the companies that offer free to use services want to make money. And if a service don't cost anything the user is the product the company sells. So a marked developed, to make consent to only the least amount of cookies as hard as possible. Next step is, the EU will define clearly how much annoying the users will be allowed - cats and mouse.

The EU should stop bowing to businesses and get rid of the legitimate interest hogwash and really punish the the companies that don't set rehect as the general standart. And also give costumers information on how to set up their systems so all the spying is blocked on the client site. And of course put a stop to companies like Alphabet who throw a tantrum about any government regulation (ban all children and their mention from videos because a government implemented child protection standarts for companies, geoblock copyrighted material in countries where copyright violations can't be just bought off with dribbels of ad revenue, paying no taxes, milking their monopolies and so on).

@@koordinatoro3985 is a bad thing for corporations etc. which depends on informations about the interactions of the users.

There are add ons you can use to just say no to non-required cookies. But it's really not the regulators fault, the regulations are quite clear that any nonrequired tracking ought to be opt-in, that no undue burden should be placed on consumers etc. Unfortunately, this hasn't stopped companies from using dark UI patterns in the hopes of confusing end users into agreeing to being tracked. Most websites are somewhere between malicious compliance and straight up noncompliance when it comes to handling things like cookies.

That depends on each user's mobile phone contract. Many phone flatrates include SMS, therefore sending SMS is indeed free in these cases.

@@tobyk.4911 Yup, unfortunately though most modern contracts do not include that anymore due to its antiquated standard.

A good reason to send an SMS (instead of a message in Whatsapp or Telegram etc.) would be if I doubt that the other person is online at the moment, and I want her to see the message ASAP. If the telephone is on and active, but not in the internet, then SMS will be received immediately - but Whatsapp not.

I much prefer using iMessage over Whatsapp if possible. Apple is not interested in evaluating and exploiting my messages like Facebook/Meta is.

True, but WhatsApp belongs to Meta, a really shady company.

You obviously don't work for the city administration or have elderly relatives (those familiar with cell phones, but unable to handle smart phones). I do work with regular contact to people from city administration. If I want to send a high def photo of something broken that needs approval to be fixed I have to send said pictures via email. The city doesn't allow any messaging apps on their phones. And I do have contact to several people with so called "Diensttelefon" (phones provided by the company for work related use only). None of them have a messaging app. I have to use SMS or email. Germany in the 21st century.

@@CologneCarter nah. You are

The last time I did was when the whatsapp servers were down and I had to send a text to my mum.

​@@CologneCarterall my grand parents 70+ and thier friends use whatapp to stay connected they habe a big group chat haha

Anyone who has clients/business partners in India, Brazil or Europe needs WhatsApp. What did shock me is when I first came to Norway.. WhatsApp is not common here. They use mostly SnapChat. Even for work. My work place does rely heavily on WhatsApp as it's an international company but my husband who works at a Norwegian company has never used it before me. Only FB messenger and SnapChat. I was shocked as in Germany Snapchat is considered dodgy. Though WhatsApp is too tbh. Especially since it's been bought by Facebook/Meta. But due to its high market share and number of users people have no choice but to use it.

WhatsApp is also available on Windows PCs (Linux?) - For someone like me with bad eyes and hand size 12.5 this micro-tiny-virtual-keyboards on a smartphone are hell. Its more comfortable to type with an real keyboard the messages 🙂

Facebook is really big in the US, so most people use the Facebook messenger...

@@maia6192 interesting. Germany strayed quite far away from Facebook. At least the younger people don't use it anymore. 10 years ago everyone would have used it

@@bloodxcurse101 Same in Switzerland, of my group of friends no one uses facebook, most have an account just so other people can find them if they need to, but it isn't actively used. Here also iphone users use whatsapp (mostly), and most of us use android

@Name No, thats not weird. Apple has a high market share of about 1/4 to 1/3 in germany. iPones are very common here as well, but it is far from over 50% like in the US.

There is still some geoblocking, but it's much more rare now

I got age restrictions for Donut Operator and Active Self Protection very often. Even if they blurr the bodies 🙄🙄🙄 I want to see one tap shootings. I'm 38 and I proved my existence 2009, when I get my yt account.

@@AlexandraVioletta Yeah same, my account is old enough to officially make an account itself. Meaning I have to be at least 26 if I didn't violate the TOS when when I created it.

You sure about the VEVO part? Yes, some vids were blocked, but definitely not all of them.

VPN was never needed to bypass geoblocking. You only have to use a web-proxy.

In the US Apple is the number 1 on the market so iMessage is much more popular. But I think it’s only 2nd place after Facebook messenger

Have you got a statistics over "everybody in the world" ? There are many messenger services out there, with different popularity.

@@holger_p in 2020 WhatsApp had over 2 billion users, which makes it the most popular worldwide. After WhatsApp comes Facebook Messenger.

@@Jillberto "Most popular" is the better statement. Calling 25% of population worldwide "almost everybody" is still exaggerated. WeChat has also 1 billion, just by users from china.

@@holger_p Well, you could still say that its the most used Messenger worldwide. OPs Statement is still correct. Eventhough WeChat is popular aswell, it doesnt change the fact that WhatsApp holds first place worldwide.

imessage does offer the same, just limited to iphones. ive seen ppl commenting they use facebook messenger

@@Salzui facebook messanger is so annoying to use imo, had tolike 7 years ago for a student exchange

A big advantage of whatapp was its respect for privacy.. the facebook bought it.. i knewwhat that mend.. no facebook on smartphone or it will link whatapp and facebook info for targeted advertising.. Facebook claimed not to fo it.. for 5 whole years, when they had to admit linking it for years.. Thats the most broken thing about capitalism on the internet.. market leaders just buy up good alternatives when they became big enough, to stop any real competition, or slowly hollowing out the differences... We really need a social network and messaging app broadly used were mark zutterburg aint allowed to take a share in..

​@@Salzuijust start using sms again, the phone companies stopped using it shamelessly as milk cow, real privacy is WAY better then .. any internet app could provide , i try using more sms, but to long to expensive really made us think internet app for texting:-)

@@JeroenJA SMS isn't private at all. It's transmitted pretty much in plain text and your network provider can read and log everything (as do your regional government agencies, depending on where you are). If you want privacy, you need an app that provably uses end-to-end encryption, with the client being open source so it can be verified. Signal is the easiest one to use that meets that criteria. Whatsapp claims to use end-to-end encryption but their client is closed source so it is impossible to verify.

I thought a lot of ppl worldwide use whatsapp - apprantly it‘s not the case 🤷‍♂️

Actually, it kind of is the case. There may be some other regions, but aside from the US and parts of Asia, most of the world uses Whatsapp.

@@leDespicable well us and parts of asia aren't a small portion of the world

@@IAm-zo1bo Not small by any means, but there's definitely still a lot of people and countries where WhatsApp is the go-to messenger.

@@leDespicable yeah I think iphone being the overwhelming majority in the US made Imessage the standard there

Hallo, kannst du irgendein Browser-Add on für die Cookies empfehlen?

@@SD-ed8is Aktuell verwende ich das Addon "Consent O Matic". Das braucht noch etwas Zeit um mehr Webseiten zu unterstützen funktioniert aber ansonsten sehr gut. Falls dir cookies wirklich egal sind (im Sinne von alle annehmen) und du zu Avast keine starke Meinung hast ist "I don't care about cookies" schon lange vorhanden und funktioniert gut.

@@kontraproduktiv933 Danke für die Antwort. Dann werde ich Consent O Matic mal ausprobieren

Aaaaber wir brauchen ja 5G net an jeder Milchkanne

I live in cologne and my internet is at best 40mbits/s (even though I should have 50) but it often just cuts out or becomes very slow 0,1 mbits/s

NetCologne, the local internet provider, is one of the few that managed to build wide-spread fiber

I live in a 30k people Town in germany and have 400/200 mbits/s. I just testet it and it said 408/206 lol. My internet provider is "Deutsche Glasfaser". I think it is owned by "Telekom", one of the biggest internet provider in germany.

@@DerTypDerBrennt yeah and Telecom is usually complete scum

@@MaticTheProto never had any problems with Telekom 🤔

@@MaticTheProto that sucks, i heard storys like that before and i think i am lucky that i never had problems with Telekom. My new internet provider "Deutsche Glasfaser" is still better xD

It doesn't have the image of being overpriced, it is overpriced ^^

Pretty much. During my lifetime I had Sony and Apple smartphones until one time I lost my phone and needed a new phone the exact same day so I got a 230$ Huawei phone. Never again going back to Apple or Sony. So not worth it. I feel no difference performance wise and the camera is just as good if not better.

Just visited my parents (countryside Saxony) and I can confirm that the internet in Germany is patchy. I am living in Edinburgh (Scotland UK) and I am used to stream films via Netflix and co. At my parents I noticed how often the videos stopped due to unreliable internet connection. 😪

@@DM-nw5lu For 10 years, I only use Sony. It is a bit overpriced, but not as much as Apple. But hey, it never breaks by itself. I always keep my smartphone for at least 4 years and it always works as fast as at the time I bought it. And I usually get at least 1 android update and many xperia updates and that's not the top phone by Sony. Right now I have Xperia 10 II and I don't intend to change it. Before, I had Xperia XA and it still works even though it fell into bath with sea salt... Although I must say I thought of buying Xiaomi, but my mum has it and I found out I hate the UI...

@@saya-mi I had iPhones constantly breaking for me despite casing and all. The last time I had a Sony was like 10 years ago. It was the first Xperia released by Sony instead of Sony Ericsson (Xperia S). Back then they were a lot cheaper though. Haven't kept up with Sony much. Then I had a couple iPhones until the first Huawei. Had it for 6 years and am now using a Xiaomi that I got very recently. The UI is different but once you're used to it and customise it to your needs (can't even do that with Apple phones) it's pretty neat. I still have an iPhone third gen and that works but Apple discuntinued support. Of course they would. They always do shit to force customers to buy their new overpriced trash. No new iPhone holds up over a decade (12 1/2 years) like my iPhone 3G did.

It's the other way around too. Many US music videos are blocked in Germany, because KZfaq would have to pay GEMA (artist compensation) for playing them.

Correct. It also makes no sense to confuse Internet connection with Wifi or Wifi and free public Wifi. I pay my ISP for a 175/40 Mbit connection, because the officially cannot offer a higher speed at my location, but what I get is usually more than 200/40 Mbit. The speed of people Wifi of course depends on the the Wifi equipment they buy, hof they distribute it , on the physical properties of their house. etc. Free public Wifi is a other story again. This was for a long time twarted by german laws which until some years ago made everyone providing wifi responsible for any abuse. If someone for example provided copyright protected material via a wifi, the owner of the wifi could be hold responsible even if someone else used his wifi. Meanhwile thois law was changed, but nowadays public wifi gets less and less important, because most people use mobile data connection via their smartphnes, tablets etc.

The average internet speed is also a pretty bad incdicator of the general Internet distribution: If 1 out if 10 people has a Gigabit Connection, while the other 9 have no Internet at all, the average Internet is 100Mbit ...

@@Psi-Storm Is that still the case? I thought that was settled.

@@Psi-Storm The conflict aka negotiations between KZfaq and the German "Society for Musical Performing and Mechanical Reproduction Rights" (GEMA) ended 2016 since then No music videos are blocked anymore (because of GEMA) - Sorry this is 5 Years ago and you didn't recognized it?

Here in the UK we use WhatsApp too !

@@stewedfishproductions7959 I think all of Europe does

In Croatia we use Whatsapp and Viber. I prefer Viber because it is more fun to use in my opinion. My whole family use Iphones, but we never use Imessage.

I'm in the UK and use WhatsApp all the time, I've tried for years to get my Australian relations to get it, and they tell me it's unheard of in OZ and are "scared" to download it. So we just keep paying the phone bills.

@@acd1202 - I too am in the UK - Many of my relatives live in Canada (including two sisters) and all of us use WhatsApp to communicate and call each other often for free... Sad that you can't get your relatives to use it !

Currently we get around 80/40 vdsl in a 300 people village, but next year we get fiber with 500/100 or even 1Gb if you order a business account. The German average internet speed is skewed upwards due to the cable tv offers with up to "500 Mbit". Everyone who could sign up for it basically pulls up 4 other households 16 mbit internet to over 100mbit average.

@@Psi-Storm i can choose between 250 VDSL, 1000 cable or 1000 fibre 😅 but DSL is more reliable and cheaper than fibre.

I have good internet most of the time (it cuts out a lot though), but some of the neighboring villages have the WORST wifi. The fastest speed they can get doesn't allow them to even stream. In 2022. They also get ZERO phone signal, so no mobile data either. They're set to get fibre optics soon-ish though.

Yeah but having these speeds is exceptionally uncommon in germany, even in big cities.

@@meisterwu8922 not even in small cities 😅 I lived in a lot and everywhere was at least 100 MBits possible, most time gigabit.

We Finns claim him too since he has Finnish ancestry 😅

​@@mixllllllli think you can have him 😉

It belongs to FB? Now I know why I never got WhatsApp.

​@@CabinFever52it did not used to.. facebook saw almost no eu use of there app, and they bought what app we did use.. oh and lying for years they would not connect data of both gor targeted adds.. i never installed facebook on my phone, do they vould never link both my datas , got a special facebook registration email too for a fuck your desrespect for privicy facebook, why didn't google circles get more initial users so an alternative would really exist?

Moin 😁

moin aus dem Südwesten (:

Tell me you Liev in Germany without telling me you live in Germany 😂👍🏻

*live

universities are attached directly to the backbone most of the time and so they have unbelievable bandwith.

Depending on how modern your student dorm building is, heat insulating glazing of your windows might also interfere with mobile connectivity.

So try to manipulate a fax. Manipulating an e-mail is simple.

Time to grow up then, you should make emails as valid documents. Could just save tons of paper and trees and you can be more " Green".

@@MrReachashish As long as you can easily fake emails, this is hardly the right way. Paper consumption in the USA is more than three times as high as in Germany and the recycling rate in Germany is 79% and thus higher than in the USA.

@@GettingNervous manipulating a fax is very much possible, just not widely known. Fax is not encrypted or signed at all. Man in the middle attacks are possible, especially with access to the physical wires. (Just open up a "construction site" down the road on the sidewalk - probably nobody will ask questions). While VOIP makes it a bit harder, its far from impossible. Try to manipulate a signed e-mail though... Thats actually cryptographically verifyable.

@@kennichdendenn If you open up a construction site, you have to know which wire you need and you have to be there. And as long as certificates can be stolen, signed e-mails are not secure either. The is no 100% security, but it makes a difference to attack a local wire or attack from Nigeria via internet I don't think that a potential attacker would travel to Germany and dig holes all over the street to get any data.

I totally agree

YOU DO PAY...! 🙄🤦🏼‍♂️

In Shanghai we had 1000 SMS free.... but I never used it... I am not used to write SMS... I guess abroad they don't charge you as much for SMS like in Germany...

Meanwhile SMS are mostly included.

@@marcomobson here we use WhatsApp, if you want to pay do it!

Then German phone contracts must be pretty bad. In Poland, where I live, almost every contract since quite a few years includes unlimited SMS, MMS and phone calls within the country (sometimes calls limited only to mobile phones, not including landline ones, but for example my provider includes landline phones too in all contracts). Usually, only the data plans are different between various providers and tarriffs. So people here actually do use SMS quite a lot. But they also use WhatsApp for international messaging, as you still do have to pay for out-of-country SMS or calls.

20 years ago, yes.

so true 😂

then you are lucky. i live in stuttgart and am lucky to have 100/5. my friends 100m away from me have 50/10, not more is possible. so more upload but less download. the parents of my ex-wife live in a smal town and there is only realy slow realy expensive internet provided wireless by a smal local company. germany is probably one of the worst countries worldwide regarding to internet. every smal developing countriy has fast glass fibre internet since 20 years ^^

It's really sad that lazy development has shifted perspectives on speed so out of whack. My provider throttles speed down to original DSL levels when the data limit is reached. And that speed, which was blindingly fast twenty years ago and is enough for practically everything but video streaming is slow enough that plenty of apps say that there is no internet connection. If developers wouldn't waste bandwidth 8and storage space for that matter) that would be quite different.

Yeah i live in a village in germany and only recently got 16Mbit/s and even that was a huge change for me cause i used to have a 7000kbit/s Connection that roughly translates into 7Mbit/s if i remember correctly

IMHO it would be quite "techno-illogical" to end a reliable service (SMS) that does exactly what it's supposed to do. Nothing more, nothing less, low complexity, high compatibility, no fancy features.

As a German who lived in Sweden this annoyed me there - hadn't used Snapchat before Sweden, but it was the only way to connect with people besides Facebook - and Facebook in Germany is only for old people; you just don't want to have an account there lol

​@Name Quelle?

@Jesse Pinkman kp wo du lebst aber hier in berlin kenn ich so ziemlich keine einzige person die nicht whatsapp benutzt

@Jesse Pinkman ich bin knapp über 20 und Student

mostly blocked by copyright the owner only has rights to the territories they have and not others hope this helps regards dave

It is not that they don't *want* to accept your euros, they are simply not allowed to because they don't have bought the necessary content distribution licenses for your country. A bunch of laws that originated for tv are beeing applied to streaming, if it makes sense or not. It is what it is because noone wants to make new laws specifically for it so tv laws have to suffice. Funfact: While you using a vpn to watch other countrys content is not illegal (in most cases), them showing it to you technically is. If you watch something with vpn, the streaming services break the law by showing you something they are not allowed to show you. They handwave and say "oh no, whatever will we do, we got tricked and had no way of knowing." as an excuse to not have to pay fines, and really, how *would* they or anyone know, thats the point of vpn, but they are also not interested in knowing because they want to sell you stuff if they can no matter where you are. But can't do so when you waltz on they servers announcing where you are from. That would be too obvious and get them into trouble.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it guys. It just seems awkward that the corporations wouldn’t be incentivized to somehow change the laws to work for them in order to get new markets and earn more profit.

To be fair, nowadays SMS are included in most data plans, but people just don't use them anymore, because why would they? Whatsapp has more features anyway, you can't send stickers or gifs via SMS lol

@@leDespicable some people don't want to be Meta customers... and I totally understand that. My father owns a smartphone and pays for an internet plan. But regarding messengers, he's like "Why would I need more than text? For everything else just use e-mail."

Nahh, they were there when people thought IMs were a new thing, and the established ones couldn't get out of their slumber fast enough. A slumber they were in because people had forgotten IMs had been a thing for years. True, ICQ was dead from being diletantly comercialised, but Trillian and Pidgin and Miranda and others were just too slow.

@@beageler Sorry, i had only phones in mind. Allthough ,Trillian, Pidgin and the others we're, at least among my family and friends, not established across people over 40.

@@MrFlo5787 That's why I said they were too slow. Actually the apps for smart phones didn't come out that late, but they missed out on the hype. I used SIM on my first smartphone without any problem, but after a while I just had to accept that many people just wouldn't use anything besides whattsapp on their phone.

wrong, only 33.25% of Americans use IOS.

@@marydavis5234 Wasn't Apple's marketshare in the US around 50%?

Android is actually also more popular in the us. It is almost 50/50, but android is still a few percent more popular.

I usually browse on my PC rather than on a phone, but I often find it easier to just delete the popup than trying to mess with the consent choices :D

I usually click "reject all" and most sites let me still continue...

@@carpediem4091 Very often you don't have this option, without further pop ups to specifiy more clearly what you don't want. I myself block most scripts, cookies and co. So it isn't a big issue for me. Just some websites are blocking me from using their site, because I am blocking their scripts. So if they don't want me to use their site, I don't need to do so. I just would like to be not one of a million.

@@sstundzia I only use my computer, because using a phone is like inviting spies from everywhere to visit your home whenever they like to.

@@pakabe8774 I'm in Europe too. It may vary on the type of sites you're at and I even have my doubts if they really don't collect any data when they just let me continue to be on the site but the majority I go to allow me to do that.