My recommendation: let's approach this from a purely methodological and logical point of view. 1. It would seem difficult to deny that intelligence is in some significant way heritable. 2. In many practical contexts, group differences in average scores simply don't matter: the problems faced by an East Asian with an IQ of 85 are exactly the same as those faced by a person of African descent with an IQ of 85. 3. We shouldn't be too hasty to generalize about group differences: I wish we had historical data going back over a much longer period of time! 4. Humans are developmental creatures, and the period from birth to age 3 is crucial--are we also looking at some pattern in this crucial period of development? 4. Caution is warranted by the fact that statistics can only tell us that these differences are non-random; we need more specific research to tell us about causality.

History shows that a high IQ does not stop people from being gullible or easily influenced by persuasive ideologies which are inherently destructive or anti-social.

Everyone watching this thinks they have higher than average iq

At the end of the day, the important thing is to enjoy life and be as productive as you can be!

My low IQ cat lives a life that appears more satisfying than that of any human I’ve ever known.

Well... my grandfather immigrated from Greece at age 14 to Ellis island. At the time you had to be 16 with a guardian or 18 without. He was 6'-2" and said he was 18. He had a 6 th grade education, and I have a masters degree. He could do just about anything and was a lot smarter than I will ever be.

So in other words with out the Asian and European engineers the ashkenazie would still be nomadic tribes with a gift to gab.

I can't take Stefan seriously when he says Jews don't make good engineers, when they have a space program and industries in pretty much all areas of technology.

I think politicians avoid this topic mainly because it inevitably leads to a conversation about whether or not you should have to reach an IQ threshold to vote. If i ruled the world not only would that be a definite yes, but you would have to show an understanding of specific issues on the line, and the stance each candidate has on them. As bill burr said, if you didnt bring a pencil youre already out!

Jordan B Peterson is absolutely correct. The problem of keeping lower-IQs employed is perhaps the most pressing of our time - and no-one wants to talk about it.

Individuals have different sets of abilities, and to the extent that each individual can be aimed at the ideal 'job' things will work much better. IQ has meaning, but it is a peculiar one, and not exactly 'intelligence'.

Assume separation by putting individuals with certain "characteristics" into social constructs and see if you can maintain a friendly, peaceful and happy attitude. That is the ultimate purpose of all beings, to be at peace and to be happy(to have wellbeing).

This is a good example of "down the rabbit hole". excessive intellectualization - there is absolutely no end to rationalizations and the traps that sounding eloquent can bring.

I read an article stating that warmer climates have been shown to be detrimental to IQ over time. There are many factors that go into intelligence and common sense, it's a very complex issue.

I wonder how these two would reconcile Asians having high spatial intelligence to the stereotype about them being bad drivers?

I think I should point out here that although someone may be low IQ, they could have other exemplary traits such as toughness, loyalty, honesty, hard work, commitment etc. etc. In general, I do think that high IQ is a benefit, but in the west today there seems to be developing a sort of snobbiness, laziness and general disdain for the "less intelligent." that is far out of line with what fruits intelligence can actually bring. There is something of a curse for smart people and that curse is that being smart they believe that they "have it all figured out" and that they can pull a fast one on "stupid people." This exaggerated love of intelligence has almost gone so far as to equate intelligence with morality. This is something akin to a "might is right" sort of approach to the world since a lot of times you very much can get ahead easier if you are intelligent. There's actually a long history of this of course because in the past many, many intelligent people were able to rule "absolutely" over the illiterate masses using whatever propaganda they could churn out. Those days, I hope, are going to be fewer and fewer though as us "stupid" people are able to share experiences and data with each other over the internet.

Maybe there are a lot of factors that might positively influence IQ especially at a young age. A healthy diet, regular exercise, a multi lingual environment, financial solvency, witty inter generational conversations, challenging games such as go and chess, playing musical instruments, singing, dancing, problem solving tasks, travel etc. Surely without such experiences, intelligence stagnates to some degree?

Every time I hear Jordan discuss IQ differences of different ethnicities, he uses to positive example of the Ashkenazi Jewish population, which I think is calculated and a smart thing to do.

Considering the different expectations we have on a 120 IQ woman vs an 80 IQ male, IQ doest seem very interesting. Maybe we just adapt to existing barriers.

I wonder how trivial our cognitive differences would seem to an advanced alien species

I'm tipping stefan has a copy of his iq results framed and hung.

This comment section is a joke. NOPE! Get out of here and safe yourselves.

_"When ameasure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."_ -From *Goodhart's law* Don't judge people from IQ, you're supposed to learn from measuring the subject to better your own values. Not objectify its personal worth from the idea that IQ dictates everything. Because it doesn't. Check it out from this Wikipedia. » Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

and the full talk has been removed from youtube ? link is not working, what a shame

Concerning the pervasive tendency to shrink from confronting the IQ problem head-on, I have coined the following dictum: Well-intentioned reliance on error cedes the truth to sinister uses.

I am so glad my ancestors gave me the IQ to survive these fools on every level.

full talk got removed! link to somewhere else please?

"stupid for life"...lol..I think I'll get a bumper-sticker with that on it..

IQ can be temporarily lower. When I was younger, I lived in such an intense environment that I only thought about how to survive today, never tomorrow and that limited my thinking and I even thought I was dumb. However, when I had a chance to get some education, I was surprised at how quickly and continually I excelled academically!

I'm an educator. I have said we should IQ test kids in Kindergarten, 3rd and 5th grades to build an index to measure their progress. We gave a standardized test years ago measured in quartiles. We panicked when our students scored a 1 or 2 on the test, but without an IQ score we could not honestly say whether the kid did well or not. It would be better to tell a student and parent that college is off the table in elementary school and focus on skills the kid can learn. Hell, a plumber makes very good money nowadays. Better that, than alienating the kid for 12 years thinking he's going to be a doctor when he can't learn algebra.

The solution is simple. Accept the problem, so you have a chance of doing something about it. Denying the issue doesn’t make it go away

He already said low iq people can be trained to become really good at a task. This is all that is needed for most jobs. Not general intelligence.

Life is an IQ test.

The taboo subject of race & IQ helped me see the evening news as a documentation of low IQ, not race or sex.

Just once I would love to see Stefan give his very best impersonation of Colonel Clink from hogans heroes.

Twin studies reliably show that environment can cause up to a 25 point difference in IQ. There is a way to massively increase IQ and we haven't figured it out yet.

0:59 // JP, wrong regarding IQ! - Surveys found that the I.Q.'s of later‐arriving groups - Polish, Jewish and Italian rose over the decades until today they equal or exceed the national average. This historical pattern is not confined to minorities of European ancestry. Chinese‐ and Japanese‐Americans also had lower‐than average I.Q.'s in earlier surveys, but today both exceed the U.S. average in I.Q., as well as in other socioeconomic indicators. - Thomas Sowell

When you think of all the implications of isolating IQ as a criterion to judge human potential, it leaves me to conclude, this is an unnatural way to proceed.

Very interesting indeed

Michelle Ng: Well said and thank you!😊

Yeah, I've always been interested in this kind of thing. A big interest of mine (from JP's teachings) is also the lack of meaning and purpose that many young men have in their lives...that can push them to turn to party culture, binge drinking, and all kinds of impulsive behavior. Me being in college, it's everywhere. Seriously. If you don't go out and party almost every night, you're not "cool" to those people who do. Except zoom out and look at the larger picture...most of those people are the ones with lower IQs. And for some time, I've been focused on coming up with ideas on how to end the out-of-control party culture in young adulthood and help these people make better decisions and have a real vision for their lives. But the cold hard truth is that if they have a very low IQ, there's almost nothing you can do to change their mindset. We might be able to make a little progress, but many of these people will simply not be able to understand that their party culture lifestyle is wrong and bad for them and for society and they won't change it no matter what. It's a really unfortunate thing.

Correlation vs Causation.

As someone from post-communism country, let me tell you this idea. The historical events that kept people away from education, self exploration and diversity of thought have the impact to this day. Even though IQ testing shows higher results by average in one race than the other, very important historical and social aspects should be taken into consideration. First - the structure of the IQ test. Those in western world have no doubt taken it and found it pretty normal test. Someone who has little idea about how our system works might be branded 'stupid'. Secondly, historically some regions have evolved into technocratic societies while some regions of the world still live roughly the same for centuries, how can we expect the same results from both? I would love to see some tribal people making their own version of the IQ test in passing it into the world to show their 'superiority'.

I remember a study like that supervised by a Plastinian PhD, comparing Plastinian elementary school kids with Jewish kids and according to him the results were always comback no matter what test is with higher scores for Plastinian kids. But at that time many Plastinian Researchers commented on the results as irrelevant when IQ attached to Race

@ 2:47 Baldy says some bullshit. JBP kindly waits for him to finish, disregarding him completely and then continues talking. Love it. Moly-eew is about as intellectual as Jordan Peterson's foot.

The Bell Curve by Herrnstein and Murray is a wonderful book that tells us, through scientific data and using logic, the relationships between IQs and several other things. So if you have an IQ of 90 to 110 you are average and can do most jobs if you have the proper education, training and work ethic. But you should not try to be a physicist or mathematician, which would waste a lot of your time and effort. Most people probably hate the book because it does not make them feel good. But if you want to be a pro basketball player you must be at least 6' 1" and have a lot of basketball practice and skills. And people are not offended at that.

How does one quantify those who have an extremely high IQ in one context...ie. verbal... and an IQ on the sub-normal scale in math etc., or vice versa ?

I had a brother that was tested lower IQ ..and he loved baseball..he was a slow reader..but read every book he could on baseball..his athletic abilities were tops..he decided to coach little league baseball and ran a net with the other coaches..the bet was that would take every boy they rejected in the try outs....and take them to number one in the state.. He won his bet and ended up taking his team to number one in 2 different states. His special ability was strategy and assess people playing each player to their strongest area..I truly admire that mr peterson has a well functioning brain that is trainable like a dog vs s cat..but I seriously doubt he could pull me out of a burning building..cudos

Its been a very long time since i heard anyone mention the IQ differences between ethnicities. I think ive only heard it discussed one other time. Ive read it multiple times, but no one talks about it like this. Im surprised Stefan wasnt cancelled sooner. I dont think Peterson would allow himself to be cancelled haha!

As a black guy alot of these facts make me wanna die lol.

I can’t believe this is still on YT. This was back when you could actually discuss real topics without getting banned

Molyneux needs a comeback!!!!

Never separated the genetics from the environment and - above all - culture.

So IQ does not measure ability to perform specific tasks. So what?

I hate it when intelligent people like Peterson get interrupted when trying to make nuanced points

cool eugenics video!

It is weird that he recommends self-improvement but in the same time argues that IQ is genetic.

Could be that the need for say writing over engineering for particular group at a particular time is because of its social need at a given time?

Egalitarianism more or less assumes everyone is equal to everyone else. In what way are they equal? Height? Weight? IQ? Sensitivity to pain? Motivation? Experience? Environment? What does it mean for all men to be equal? Does it means all men have the same genetic makeup, the same set of experiences under identical circumstances, and interactions with the same individuals. All men are definitely not equal before the law as they clearly have different capacities to either represent themselves or access skilled representation. The proposition that "all men are equal" seems meaningless and absurd upon even the most cursory examination. Any nation founded upon such an absurdity is likely to perish unless it admits the error and corrects it. A proposition more likely to be true is "all men are very likely unique but definitely not equal in any nontrivial sense." (PS: if peoples' heights could be instantaneously measured to the nearest angstrom, there may be a significant probability that no two individuals out of the nearly 8 billion now living would even have the same height at that instant.) Equality as it relates to a set of unique individuals is meaningless bullshit.

You know what does work to increase IQ? Early intervention.

Well you cant judge iq by ethnicity or race there are always some special people among so called " lower races " ethnicity and race doesn't matter sometimes

I was just reading a relevant study, which was showing that correlation between consciousness+extroversion and financial success was waaaay bigger than between iq and success. So it’s only partly true.

While some do better and others worse what evidence is there that intelligence is being measured by IQ tests? Merely labeling a test as an intelligence test does not mean it measures what it purports to measure. So, I would be interested in seeing the rationale for the design of the tests and the history of their development as well. Additionally, one wonders if there are not various forms of intelligence which these tests do not measure because cultural conditioning makes such other forms of intelligence hard to see or relegates them to a lesser status due to current contrived cultural norms of success. Any testing to be valid has to be both repeatable and validly measure what it purports to measure. One wonders why various IQ tests exist if each is supposed to measure IQ. I had heard for instance that one needs to achieve a specific score on one of several tests to become a mensa member. How many standard deviations in measurement are found among the various tests, does it matter at what age they are taken, what if eye sight is poor or the environment too hot or cold, there are myriad factors that are of potential influence, etc. To me it seems these are foundational questions which have to be addressed carefully. One of the first with regard to this video would be how to define race and whether such a thing is fluid and to what extent. Is it merely observable skin color and a collection of physical features? Is it rightfully called race to begin is tribe a better descriptor? Are there sub-tribes or sub-races? How are these rigorously defined? If it is all so genetic then one should be able to separate groups by genetic means alone, but again what are we really measuring? One should remember that correlation does not prove causality. For example, just because all Leftists die does not mean they die because they are Leftist, (well at least until they establish their self-consuming utopias like Venezuela).

IQ is susceptible to environmental factors though. Just look at how education, socio economic status ect.. all enhance, or inhibit the growth of one's IQ.

Smart people are not obssessed with competition with other races. Life is not determined by cognitive abilities alone. Example - human society.

how quick the brain moves data from the hypocampus to long term memory drives IQ and it’s chemistry and therefore genetics

Individuality, creativity, and common sense are where it's at. The concept of the intellect fosters narcissism, and favoritism. All of us are created equal.

1:10 so the difference in IQ between ethnicities renders Molyneaux ‘heartbroken’ - like hell. He loves it. Rubbing his hands together with glee ‘oh look we are better after all’.

So why did Molyneux get cancelled but not Peterson or Sam Harris?

Does IQ measure cognitive potential or current performance? If it's the latter, then we might rightly suppose that culture and socioeconomic status have fairly large hand in determining IQ results.

They do not even bother to clearly define what an IQ test actually is and implies.

I'm interested in taking an IQ test (A real one and the unofficial ones that float around online) Can anyone share links for a few online versions so that I can get a general idea of where I fall on spectrum? Also can anyone share any data or studies concerning the topic of IQ and race? An aside: What's always seems strange and somewhat disappointing to me is that IQ doesn't account for certain intangible or immesurable aspects of "intelligence" or that perhaps we have a limited understanding of the manifestations of intelligence? Idk.

Who needs IQ when you can keep up with the Kardashians!?

Desperate for bodies can be a misconception due to improper paperwork. I was support deployment and i learned that officers will purposely fuck up their paperwork to make it look like they need more combat soldiers when we really needed more support. So you end up with a shortage of mechanics, cooks, etc. That carries on to when we are back state side. We were met by a severe over staffing of support because, due to that lovely paperwork filed down range, recruiters were told to get more support jobs filled. We were so over capacity for some jobs that we werent even given the opportunity to extend our contracts. Which is how they like it anyway. They really dont want lower enlisted ranks who have been deployed. They want fresh, younger, guys who havent been through that mental stress yet. So they tell us we have to change jobs if we want to extend, but to change jobs we have to be promoted, and theres no slots for promotion. We get forced out. Forced out of an army that is desperate for bodies?

IQ, Egalitarian. Good Topic, I have a Saying which I use " You can't be a Smart Person unless you Realise there are Other Smart People". Jordon's Concern about where it is all going to end is a Good Question. To me this goes a Little towards how Our Democracies Currently Work and in that Regard some of Our Leaders are Trying to Lift the Collective Intelligence which goes to the Groups which Jordan and Stefan touch on. Again, we know we can Falter but Our IQ's tell us we should not except that Failing, so for Now I think we keep Improving Everything We Do, there is Much to Improve, there is Much we have About Right. Thankyou Stefan, Jordon for the Thought Provocation.

Has anyone read " The Brain That Changes Itself " by Norman Doidge ?

A Lord of the Rings vibe here

Downtown Eastside in Vancouver BC.

Space Force's first project should be to launch both of these men into the sun

In general I agree, however there’s a possibility this places to much value on cognitive ability as an indicator of success. I’ll submit in this day in age with the rise of the athlete as a sustainable form of success, including all of the support and ancillary occupations, that there are alternative successes for those outside your bell curve. Which at a minimum adds hope to your bleak IQ theory. Food for thought.

Two intelligent men pointing out the truth. Too bad there are still so many people still denying reality.

how do you measure IQ?

Just because we don't like biological reality doesn't mean it stops existing. IQ does vary...heavily.

What effect do you thing epigenetics has on DNA?

Molyneux needs to shut up and let Peterson talk. He keeps cutting him off.

Very exciting interview.

IQ can vary from race to race just like height, complexion, hair texture, eye colour, athletic ability etc. does.

You know once Peterson says the words Identity Politics, he is about to spew a whole bunch of bullshit.

OMG I'm surprised stephan didn't have a fit when peterson said IQ gap between the sexes is negligible.

Facts & Philosophy are 'strange bedfellows'. Like fire/water...

I´m not a genius, just gifted...

Jordan: "anyone with an iq of 83 or less, couldn't be trained to do anything that wasn't positively counter productive" Stefan: "*chuckles*" Jordan: "that should send a shudder of terror through everyone's heart" interesting

I tested a kid before addiction treatment, score low 80s and after high 130s. What's that mean

1:33 proof for papa ethan being a genius. papa bless.

Very Smart Man

It's refreshing to see this subject discussed soberly and candidly. The acknowledgement of racial differences in IQ doesn't have to lead to hatred or violence.

Racial IQ theories have been debunked time and time again. IQ tests are too biased and flawed to make huge generalizations about entire populations. For example, take Indians: In India, the average IQ a few decades ago was listed at just 82. In the US, Indian-Americans have the highest average IQ of any group, at 112. That's a huge contradiction right there. It's the same race of people, yet there's a huge 30 IQ difference between Indians living in India and America. Clearly, this demonstrates that social, cultural, nutritional and environmental factors play a much bigger role in determining IQ than race.

Ironic that intelligence is discussed with someone who said that cows cannot possibly be in competition with desert tortoises because a cow's mouth is up high and a tortoise's mouth is near the ground. Molyneux may have forgotten when he made the comment that cows are able to bend their necks sufficiently so that their mouths reach the ground. And Tortoises are able to eat leaves that are several feet off the ground if the plants grew fast after a rain and have tender stems subject to attack. A turtle can eat those same plants months after a rain, when everything has dried out...if a cow doesn't get there first.

The good ol days.

What I have understood from research is that the greatest genetic disparity within the human race can be foundation between African subpopulations. It is not the case that all Africans are more closely related to one another than they are to Europeans, for example. Conclusion: we still have a lot to learn on this subject.