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The Jang Changer?
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4 жыл бұрынTrialing the double disc opener for the Jang JP-1. Since I filmed this video I have continued to use this multiple times and everything I say holds up.
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@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Correction: The price is $140 but that is the only price I can currently find it at any distributor, not just paperpot.co.
@PetalsonthePavingSlabs 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an even handed and honest review of this, we can make our minds better now.
@movingnaturefilms 4 жыл бұрын
The handle on the Jang needs to be redesigned to be over the middle of the seeder and they should put some kind of weight over the front wheel. The wheels should be redesigned too. They slide too much.
@arguspanoptes6241 4 жыл бұрын
I love my HOSS! It's not the easiest tool in my shed to use but is definitely one of the most diverse and reliable.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Verdict is still out for me with the hoss. I like certain things about it but that hopper is my biggest challenge. I’ll give it a review when I get a little more practice with it
@jpoppinga8417 2 жыл бұрын
For what the hoss seeder costs put that money towards a Jang. Hoss seeder is junk. Been there done that, moving on. Now here's the long answer. The hoss sucks on any seeds that aren't perfectly round. By the time you get a hole big enough to not jam with oblong seeds,. You are double feeding. And the cheap plastic bevel gears that turn the seed plate that break if you get any dirt or dust in it anywhere. Not even fiber reenforced plastic. Like pop bottle plastic.
@carlkistner1235 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jessie, when I bought the jang I purchased the double disc option and have never used the shoe as we were always planting into trashy beds. Its certainly not a tool that will cut through debris but will push it out of the way and bounce around plant stumps. I have the disc installed on the triple jang and I feel that it was worth the investment.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Great insight. Thanks, Carl!
@kathivy 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. At some point I’ll be big enough to require a seeder, and I hadn’t thought about the problem of seeding into roots etc.
@j.gordon2098 4 жыл бұрын
Good Vid. Would love to see another test this spring when you're drop'n real seed, planting a full bed see how it works. Agree, wish it was standard on the Jang. As for the price, my brother-in-law explained it to me. It's a volume issue. If they were selling 100,000 units a year on that, the price would (maybe) come down. competition would come in and force it down. It's why so many of the coolest farming tools. Green Harvester, Jang Seeders, Six Point Seeders and the Terrateck stuff like the wheel hoe...are all mostly worth it .... but, pretty dang pricey.
@kirkjohnson9353 4 жыл бұрын
It' s great seeing a test like this.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Will try to do more!
@swamp-yankee 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers I'd love to see a trial/troubleshooting video with the double row plow shoe if you have one kicking around. I bought one a while back, and I've had no luck getting it to work in my fluffy compost. Maybe if I used a bed roller it could be effective, but I haven't felt like I need one for anything else.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that would be cool. I don’t own one but maybe I can pester someone for it
@waynebusse6376 4 жыл бұрын
I've been using the Earthway for twenty-five years and I always had trouble with sod or excess crop residue loading up in front of the shoe. This spring I bought the Hoss garden seeder with the double disk opener and I love it. It had no problem cutting through loads of crop residue. I think the Jang should have used a drag chain like the Hoss. I could see the drag -closer loading up on you. Thanks for the review,I'm glad I didn't buy the Jang.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
We’re still working with that hoss to get a good idea of how to feel about it. The hopper leaves a lot to be desired and honestly that drag chain has been burying stuff too deep for my liking, but like I said, still trialing it. We lIke our earthway. It’s a good tool for the price, but I say you should try a Jang before you say you’re happy you’ve never bought one. It’s really an impressive tool--and that’s coming from a once huge doubter.
@waynebusse6376 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers I used it primarily for sweet corn, peas and green beans. I transplant most of my lettuce kale and beets.
@waynebusse6376 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers I used the seeder for green beans, peas, and sweetcorn. I transplant most of my lettuce, beets and kale. If I knew how to order a Semanatoare manuala K2 from eastern Europe, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Look it up on youtube, it has a unique method of singulating seeds.
@farmerbobsgarden5554 4 жыл бұрын
if it works, it's worth the price. i wouldn't worry about the bearings. bearings are cheap and easy to find.
@BidwellCanyonFarm 4 жыл бұрын
Hey there Farmer Jesse! We also own the JP-1 and I wonder if you could fab up a frame that would accommodate different weight capacities directly above the double disc? That would be sweet. Love your videos and podcasts, thank you for your dedication!
@LaHortetadeBussy 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks men for video excellent idea👍👍👍
@TheLowCashHomestead 4 жыл бұрын
To me it seems like the entire device needs a weight tray , something you can put a brick in to make it cut . Your description of its use since the machine is unbalanced in its weight distribution . Anything that has bearings the bearings wear out I mean think about it you have to replace some wheell hub bearings on a car eventually.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say it’s unbalanced. The Jang is just not meant to have all the pressure land on that disc--I think that could ultimately damage this particular machine. The pressure is in the push and the weight of the machine is in the front. I think a couple times in the video you can see me actually lifting up the back wheel because all the weight is on the front one, just not in the center. I think a hand usher drill would be awesome, though, and that’s where you’d want the weight over the disc for sure
@magpier.5761 5 ай бұрын
Double Disc Opener Allows you to seed into heavier soils, or when some debris is present. For use with all Jang JP Series seeders and the Jang TD-1 Precision Seeder. NOTE: Not intended for seeding into beds with excessive debris or to be used in "no-till" systems.
@ryanwillett728 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great review! I love the honesty in your review. Is it good? Yes. Is it $100 good? No. Perhaps Diego and Curtis will pick up the undertone here in that the marketed product is flawed, and this is a solid fix for that. Change their production model and offer the double at $50 to renovate already purchased models.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
That price does seem to be the standard for the double disc from everyone but I’d love to see the double disc, not the shoe, as part of the base model . I think it’s definitely more versatile overall
@ryanwillett728 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers While the Jang is a superior piece of equipment, it's just too expensive for small/part time farmers IMHO. With that said, I'll keep rocking the earthway and learning to use it better. - Harlowe Custom Microgreens.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
I get that. That Jang is not cheap. For sure. But It does pay for itself. I never have to thin anymore. My carrot production has become profoundly consistent. I love it. I love my EarthWay, too, but honestly, when my EW finally goes down for good I will be replacing it with more rollers for the Jang. It’s just a really exceptional tool.
@westoversoutheast 4 жыл бұрын
I sold my earthway and bought two more rollers for the jang lol. Jang is expensive but you get what you pay for. Like you said two beds of carrots and done.
@DiegoFooter 4 жыл бұрын
It's very easy to pull prices out of thin air. These things simply don't cost as little as you think to manufacture. If I was to sell it for $50 (including shipping) then I would have to be buying it for around $20 and that isn't even close to the actual cost.
@TheLowCashHomestead 4 жыл бұрын
I should clarify I do not have any mechanical seeders I either seed by hand, throw and sow, (I do that a lot for greens and such)or start in flats.
@darinwilson5089 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I am hoping to establish richer top soil in a sandy high desert under hoop houses, via no till and cover crops. My goal is to use no machinery aside frome manual seeders, a sythe for mowing. What do you recommend for seeding through chop and drop/green manure?
@DavidQuispeCampbell 9 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm also looking into this question. I have a cover crop that I will cut down and look to seed through in a couple of months (South America). Would love to hear if you found something that works
@Tiki71 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think this would work well for direct sowing over drip tape burried in a furrow?
@offgridcurtisstone 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool. Thanks for sharing.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for selling it! I think it’s got huge potential
@ianharding2590 4 жыл бұрын
I just got the double disc. It seemed to throw move more soil than I was used to with the standard shoe. Maybe that a height adjustment? I just set it the same as the shoe. But I didn't have to stop once to clear out any debris, whereas normally I'd have to unclog the shoe like every 15-20 feet if there was a lot of residue in the bed.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
I think it’s possibly the height adjustment. I noticed that too then brought it up a but and it was perfect. Still tinkering. That depth may come in handy from time to time. But the clearing thing--totally. I have not stopped once in three beds. I love that. I also think it will help in covering the full bed.
@sandroshanidze6060 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for this video and the other too! 4 months later, would be good to know - did you use that utility this season and if yes, how were the results, what's your idea of it now?
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Funny you should ask .Going to do another video on it this week. Short answer though is I still love it.
@kirkbarley4999 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like you need a pull design so weight resides over the wheels in your walkways. Something like a human scale tractor, quick adjustable row width, likely electric motor driven.
@MrJustb116 4 жыл бұрын
Can you try and test Neversink's Gridder?!? I need a better way of marking my beds (a landscape rake with duct taped cut sections of hose isn't cutting it any more) and I'm really tempted to get a set of gridders.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
I love the gridder! Happy to review it. It’s a superb tool. Truly.
@JeremyinGreer 4 жыл бұрын
Those gridders are brilliantly simple.
@fatheroftwo4865 4 жыл бұрын
Jesse do you normally have issues with slugs? I see a potential problem due to slugs eating baby plants after sprouting from where I'm from... if I plant an established seedling than the plant usualy survives, but seeding directly is challenging. So please give me some feedback if you do have slug problems how you deal with those.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
We had some issues with slugs on our lettuce overwinter last year, but that seems to have subsided this year. We trialed some beer traps which worked pretty well. Unfortunately don’t have a lot of advice beyond that.
@davidadamkemp7302 4 жыл бұрын
Have you tried the narrow shoe? I can see those disks dragging at times through that loose mulch. You might do just as well with less displacement?
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Hey David! Is there a more narrow shoe than the standard that comes with it? I’ll have to check that out.
@davidadamkemp7302 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers There is. I run them on a jp-3. They've been a huge improvement for not grabbing root balls and rocks. Still expensive, but the jp-3 was pretty much a bulldozer when I had standard shoe's. I've always wondered if the double discs would have been better, but ultimately it seemed like the narrower profile would just pick less fights with whatever happened to be in the bed.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Someone wrote me on instagram and said “Just saw you video. “We recently up graded to a jp5 . I will tell.you that there must be space between the double disc openers. I tried to push them closed together for tighter spacing but it constantly got jammed up and would not function properly.” Great to know!
@davidadamkemp7302 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers Hey hey! Sounds like I can stop second guessing my shoe purchase!
@anabolicamaranth7140 3 жыл бұрын
Lil Seeder by Ferris Farms, Polyplanter is another name for it. Any experience with these?
@M107SASR 3 ай бұрын
I feel like the hang needs more weight to it and yes the soil will need to be nice n loose
@bioboertuur 7 ай бұрын
3 year update on the discs and if you still use them?
@Xxfades321xX 4 жыл бұрын
Having never used one... would a rig that allows a 25-50gal barrel for weight make this work well for market scale "drilling"?
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Good question. Because of the price and precision of this tool I probably wouldn’t risk overloading it. I do believe someone needs to invent the push-drill. Not seen one yet! Maybe with a bucket on top that could be filled with water
@Xxfades321xX 4 жыл бұрын
@@notillgrowers that seems wise not to risk with the hang, hopefully this gives someone some inspiration to design the right tool
@davidr.2598 4 жыл бұрын
I must be missing something. What problem does the disc solve??
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry if that wasn’t clear. The shoe catches on root balls, the disc rolls through them or over them (though sometimes around them), making it easier and more efficient to sow into rougher ground. If you’ve ever sown a bed with roots with the shoe, it’s a pain.
@davidr.2598 4 жыл бұрын
Okay. so it's like a coulter on a moldboard plow. If you ran the BCS rototiller at a 1" depth would that eliminate the flail mower pass and take care of any root balls in the seeding zone at the same time?? Thanks,
@ryanwillett728 4 жыл бұрын
David Ruggio It would to a point but the roto doesn’t mulch it up as well.
@tombauder8489 4 жыл бұрын
If you amortize the cost of the double disk opener over say, 10 years for example, $14 a year, then I think it's worth it
@SailOrNothing 4 жыл бұрын
$100 is pricey. But it’s actually $140 womp womp
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
Whoa good call. Seems like that is the price everywhere now. It used to be 105--shoulda double checked.
@SailOrNothing 4 жыл бұрын
No-Till Growers just makes it a little more difficult to justify the purchase. I do agree with ya that this should be the standard shoe.
@justaghost1014 4 жыл бұрын
Why I love the 15hp Russia tractors. Gives you the mass to attempt that properly but without to much money
@TrickleCreekFarm 4 жыл бұрын
And where would you find those in the US?
@justaghost1014 4 жыл бұрын
@@TrickleCreekFarm truth be told.... No idea but I'm not in the USA. Look on ali should find what I'm talking about
@swamp-yankee 4 жыл бұрын
@@TrickleCreekFarm in my region of the USA we have loads of old N series tractors around if you are looking for 15-25 hp tractors. They're wicked dangerous though
@countryboycharlie9793 3 жыл бұрын
U need your soil work a lot more, u need to till, till, till I have no problem with it. I have finer soil not has trash corn shucks u need to mulch it up a lot better in the winter time
@j.gordon2098 4 жыл бұрын
$hit, and I bet that doesn't include shipping.
@notillgrowers 4 жыл бұрын
I actually think it does (at least for paperpot.co). They are free shipping to continental US. Johnnys is free after $200.
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