Probably had to do with the fact that Milo and Alexis had been dating in real life at the time

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yea they have the best chemistry for sure

@@ewwhoisshebut so was jared and alexis

EXACTLY you can tell they have a lot more chemistry compared to her and her other pairings, plus the whole forbidden love trope makes it that much better. Both those things make them by far the most entertaining couple to watch imo so no surprise they're the most popular.

I hated that too. She was one of the worst mothers in the show but when we actually meet her she is a silly likable woman, wich is bad in this case, because it is not resonates with how she was portrayed by Luke and Jess.

i think it kinda speak to people who has terrible mother, but who appears as good person on the outside. like being fun and quirky isn't antithesis to being a terrible mother (but i completely agree with you tho)

I didn’t care for Liz at all. Even with her daughter she tried to pass her off to Luke half of the time. Not responsible or stable at all.

they show this later on too when she marries tj, in that episode when they crash luke and lorelais date tj mentions how she started screaming and throwing things at him and it's really not that hard to imagine liz as a neglectful parent especially when they mention how she used to do pot and possibly other drugs

I would have been ok with that evolution if there were more scene with Jess and more scene acknowledging how fucked up Liz was in upbriging Jess. But i hated those character and the hypocrisy of it all, and just didn't understand why they had such an important place in the serie. The idea of bringing Jess mom and giving her a redeeming arc could have been interesting if it had been treated in a different way, but i hated how they were talking about destructive and bad behavior as "quirky".

That’s so true! And yes, skipping school was not a good choice, but he didn’t influence Rory in a bad way by that - he never told her to quit school, on the contrary, he encouraged her to chase her dreams and even made her reconsider dropping out of Yale later on. Dean was rather bothered by how much work Rory put into school - which is forgivable, in my opinion. But the red flag about him was how needy he was overall. Constantly calling his girlfriend and showing up at her doorstep when she tells him she doesn’t have time and stuff like that isn’t cute. It always seemed weird to me how everyone in the show thought that was so cute while Jess was apparently bad for having a life that doesn’t only revolve around his girlfriend…

but the first scene that Dean and Jess interact in is a fight scene? Jess is literally having a fight with someone so Dean tries to stop them so he isn't in trouble however Jess then tries to beat Dean up. I'm not saying Dean was the greatest guy but people need to stop acting as though he is the most aggressive and abusive person when Jess also had a bit off a dangerous and violent side.

@Ashabe ogunrinde Jess had just moved there and didn't know that Dean wouldn't take the other person's side, or was actually just trying to break up the fight instead of join in - remember you've got a traumatised kid in a new location with no friends + no stable home life in the middle of a fight when a taller local kid joins in - it's completely understandable that he swings again as a gut reaction (it's not GOOD or the CORRECT choice, but it is understandable for a person in that situation) He never starts a fight, he's just a traumatised teen who's defensive + has trust issues - any time we see him he avoids violence as an option unless he's cornered or attacked first and always chooses to argue + storm off as his default reaction (which is part of his relationship issues with Rory + with Luke - his defensive isolation after/during conflict frustrates those trying to get close to him bc it's his way of preventing himself from hurting others or being hurt by them)

@@doctorwholover1012 You know what? I actually agree with this.

@@Diana-qp2rw dean turned up at rory's house or left her a lot of messages only because rory spent no time with him at that time. She had time for Jess but none for Dean. Dean was acting out of his fear that she's falling for Jess. I felt so bad for Dean at that time,I just can't understand how people didn't feel the same way about it!

I completely agree. Rory’s growth terribly declined while he flourished

Right?! We learn that he's dealt with so much trauma, then they bring Liz around and retcon her into just a free spirited hippie. Easily one of the worst parts of the show.

Wait, I’m really curious - do you have any examples? I’m just really curious, and have no way to stream the show as of now.

This. The fact that he has to sleep with the music blaring isn't addressed. He was neglected and abused his entire life

@@lizzy-wm5po1) He needs to sleep with music on 2) He mentions his mom bring men home as flings, which end up leaving her an emotional wreck 3) Liz doesn’t bother to call Jess over Christmas

I wanted this couple as endgame so baaad! I like The OC, but, damn, that show screwed up my favorite couple. Lane deserved so much better, and that is an opinion we can all agree.

Best relationship I’ve seen on the show. It was pure and just as exciting. I legitimately get so sad every time I watch Gilmore girls and then get to the part where Zac throw jabs at Dave for quitting the band and going away to college. They had so much going for them. An immense amount of chemistry

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Very great point. The lack of consideration for him, as if "oh he's already broken and a lost cause"

Yup, that really bothered me. Teenagers make mistakes all the time and do wrong things even without a traumatizing childhood. It’s insane that no one at least considered what Jess went through with his parents, but treated him like he had a totally normal childhood and family and was not still a kid. I’m glad he finally got his life together and even published a book later on. That is quite impressing considering the lack of support and understanding he had from the people around him.

I agree. The last time I watched through the series, I wondered if things would have been better if he had been treated better when he moved to Stars Hollow. He was also compared to Dean a lot, which was unhealthy.

YESS ive been saying the same thing!!! Jess is a trailumatized child who need help and support! and to NOT be antagonized by a whole town!!!

@@bathtubmacaroni9576 YES exactly thank you!

Perfectly said honestly 👏

Thank you for your comment! Good to see that someone actually understand his character and not automatically judge him.

It's very strange that Luke lived close to New York, yet he didn't know his nephew until he was 17 years old. That's when they met for the first time. There are so many mistakes like this in this series.

@@agneskovacs9305 It's more about the relationship between Luke and Liz, how bad it was.

@@lavenderdream4117 This is not true. Luke lists the boyfriends Liz had, he took her money, took her TV, so they knew about each other. Later, Liz tells Lorelai that Luke always helped her out, gave her money, got her an apartment. Meanwhile Luke didn't know Liz's kid until he was 17? How could this be?

@@agneskovacs9305 Yes, but from the fact that he meet with his sister, it doesn't mean Jess was there(he is a raised by street kid, I don't think Liz care about where is her son, why his not home for x Time) but Yeah, it could be a plot whole

Yeah I do agree with you about rory and jess

Wow. Wise comments!

I completely agree. Jess and Rory were soulmates, but they were so much better platonically. Like that one episode where they sat with Paris and discussed literature; they had a lot in common and I would've loved to see more of that aspect. And honestly after what he did to her at that party, I never liked them as a couple afterwards.

It totally happens-- I have a soulmate that I cannot be with romantically for a variety of reasons.

The "why did you drop out of yale!!!!" Speech lives in my head rent free, to this day.

Well put! I love Jess. ❤ he *is* deep and smart and creative. He's super cute but has the personality to go with it. Logan only suits Rory because they can be rich douches together. Jess is hopelessly in love with Rory and it's sad since she became a rich douche. Jess loves her regardless.

The revival was vile. I couldn't finish it. But I saw Jess still pining after her and hated that. I wanted him to live his own life by then. Maybe be married and a successful writer, who tells Rory to go away and stop messing him up.

Yeah at the beginning of the show... Rory was too good for Jess and he irritated me. Then by the end, he's too good for her lmao

@@SerenaSkybourne Exactly! The thing is, at least you could always understand what circumstances led Jess to act the way he did. With Rory, it just seemed like excessive privilege

@@dishaaadiyaajit4888, completely agree with this. Rory lets the excessive privilege she comes into (and her overinflated ego) drive her actions. She is the caricature of the gifted kid who was constantly told she was wonderful and then couldn’t handle floundering or struggling. Everyone was constantly gassing her up and then she fell flat. She also struggles to deal with people not liking her. It leads her to cheat because rather than exiting the relationship, she doesn’t want to deal with conflict and dealing with people not liking her.

two words: the bedroom party scene

@@stargirlabi_111 that’s four words

But all his character development is off screen.

@@mayz691 i know lol forgive me

​@@folkloreuhthis. And during the main series, he remains a condescending douche who both can't bring Rory off the pedestal he put her on abd can't respect her life choices. Is she a goddess or is she a naive baby? Jess says, "¿porque no los dos?"

Yeah it really annoyed me when she assumed Jess was in a fight when that Swan attacked him. It wasn't his fault. But she wouldn't listen and shut him out instead.

I think Logan and Rory's break is just a remake of Rachel and Ross first break up from Friends.

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Jess still having contact with rory despite her psychotic tendencies doesn't seem like a good relationship quality

@@TheMarkmcr maybe not, but his Uncle and Rory's Mom are what got them together in the first place. The revival maintained that relationship. Knowing her behavior prepares him for any encounter. He does ok.

@@idfy2599 I just think a good amount of self respect is important too. Jess needs to choose someone who cares about more than being rich and famous

Definitely Jess, he saw Rory for who she truly was, and challenged her the most to be the best she could be.

Logan all the way!

I would go for Jess, for the growth he shows: I really like the person he becomes, too good for Rory!

Jess😂I just wrote a book comment about it. But definitely agree, not during the time they actually dated

Team Logan all the way ❤

I'm so glad!

Rory was too used of people brown nosing her.

I watched the show for the first time at 23. I do NOT like Jess. He is the living, breathing example of why it's a bad idea to date someone who only likes you.

Thank you so much!

Yeah i remember when i first started watching the show, the dude honestly made me so uncomfortable and he was so aggressive lmao. I definitely grew to love him as the show went on, but it bugs me that people idolise how he was even at the beginning

Agreed!!!

literally, i hate that scene

As much as I hate this scene, he wasn't mad at her for not wanting sex his life feels like it's falling apart around him (failing out of school, can't take Rory to prom, Luke probably is going to kick him out) and takes it out on her and realizes it right after. When I watched this scene as an adult, I almost cried because I do the same thing to my husband and feel bad about it right after. The difference is once I feel bad I talk about it. To be honest, that may have happened if it weren't for Dean. I don't get why people misunderstand that he's not mad at her for that. Maybe it's because I rewatched it in my 30's with more life experience. I think he should have stopped as soon as she asked, but he wasn't mad at her for that.

Then there's the issue of him not doing the work. Not putting in an effort. It's annoying, yes. Because we all know he's not stupid. He could do well in school, even get into college, if he wanted to. But he doesn't want to. On one side there is Jess... not letting people see the good in him. Because as soon as he does, people will expect more. And he doesn't want to have to live up on that, like Rory constantly has. And she has. You can clearly see the contrast here. She is this bright shining star and when she slips, the fall is hard. To all of them. But with Jess? Yes, they are mad at him, yes they are disappointed, and Luke even blames himself, but they knew it was coming - at some point. Or should have known. And on the other side there are the people who are to easy on him. Giving him second chances over and over again. So he thinks he can pull this off... and then he's faced with the reality: It's not a fairy tale. He can't just skip school to earn money to give his girlfriend dates out of town, to go to concerts, to give her what he thinks she wants to have, and expect it to be okay. He messed this up and he knows it. And it's eating him. Because he cares. He cares about Rory, he cares about Luke - and he let them down. That's too much for him to handle too, because before there was no one he cared enough about. He didn't care if he let anyone down. But now he does and he has to figure this out. He can't. Because he never learned how. The moment in the bedroom at the party. I hate it. Because everything is wrong with it. Jess and Rory were always heavy with the physical interaction. From the get go. Is it healthy? Maybe not. But it's not all that bad. Rory probably never felt that attraction. With Jess she started to think about "it" - which was very sweet, I have to say. How she denied it only to realize that she does. And she was so shy about it. Loved her for that. Anyhow. While they were always touchy and Jess made it clear that he wanted more - he never pushed her. You could argue that he showed his disappointment when she told him that she had to go and Rory could've felt pressured, but I never saw it that way. There is nothing bad about letting people know what you want, that you know what you want, and letting your girlfriend know that you want her. Unfortunately we don't know much about their dates. How far they really were taking things. Because there has to be "more" before you know that you want to take THAT step. Jess had experience, I'm pretty sure about that. And he wouldn't have been the best option for her first time, because he wasn't safe, he wasn't stable - but still... he wasn't pushy. What they did with him in that Episode was unfair to him, to Rory, and their relationship. It somehow dumped everything down to him using her for comfort. Because that's what he's doing there. He tries to deflate, because he doesn't want to talk about his failures. He wants to feel the attraction. He wants to show her what he feels with his body, because he doesn't have the words (again: the joke!). And when she's rejecting him, he gets mad - for a moment, because it's too much in his head. I don't want to excuse his actions here, because that was just awful of him. And he knows that too... But then there is Dean, and Dean is throwing punches, and Jess takes the opportunity to blow off steam, built up tension, everything. And I really hate it. Because they needed the character to be in that place, so he goes away the way he does - for his own show, which never aired (unfair!). Amy and her husband have a soft spot for Milo, and by proxy Jess. They are close friends. So that would this to his character was surprising to me. Because it proved them all right. I never thought him and Rory would last. He was too broken for that. It had to fall apart at some point. But the way it did? I don't like it. It would've been enough to bring his father in the mix, to mess with his head. That he failed school, broke the "deal" with Luke, Jimmy coming back, just to disappear again, Luke hiding it from him. That would've been enough. With the bedroom scene they gave the impression that he would use sex as a coping mechanism when things are getting rough, and that's not someone anyone should be involved with. That just leads to taking advantage and probably abuse. I don't like that at all. Because he never was that guy to me. Yes, he was an asshole, he was moody, but he knew to keep his hands to himself. I think that had a lot to do with his upbringing. I bet he overheard Liz and one of her many boyfriends often. He saw things. And I can't imagine him doing that to anyone. Was he self destructive? Of course! But not that much. And as much as they did justice to his character - it's cheap writing, because he's introduced as this "bad boy". Then we see "huh, he's not that bad, he's just misunderstood" and that's WRONG. He isn't misunderstood. No one understands him at all. He's mistreated. Constantly. By everyone. Even by Rory. She drags him and Dean along for so long. She pushes HIM. Meeting the grandmother. She doesn't ask, she just assumed she'll get her way, like she's used to (Dean gave in everytime), and she doesn't give him a choice. And yes: She manipulated him. She misbehaved at her grandparents, how she wasn't letting go. He told her to talk about it later - not that I believe he would have, but he showed up, he tried to make it work. The black eye wasn't helping. That he was late wasn't helping either, but that wasn't on him... But in the end, all of it was his fault. Of course. Why not. Rory pushed his buttons and pushed him too far. She was so used to having Dean on a leash, that she thought she could project that over to Jess - which she should've known wouldn't work. Because he never was that person. She was just, in fact, spoiled. And him being that way - not calling, not living by a schedule - clearly helped in her relationship with Logan later on. Either way - they were both shitty in their relationship. Not communicating, due to the fear to admit that it wouldn't work between them. Not making compromises. Being to stubborn, for completely different reasons.

They weren't good for each other when they met, when they got together, when he came back for his car, the wedding of his mother, her weird "I need to find myself without searching"-phase, and her out of line attempt to get back at Logan for cheating. And in the Revival... they're still not good for each other. Because he's too good for her, and I can't see him being okay with the decisions she made throughout her life. And I hate this longing look. Maybe it's misinterpreted and he senses that something's off with her and he's just worried. But boy, do I hate this. It doesn't do him justice AGAIN. His character is so strong and has so much growth. It hurts to see that go to waste. I can see the similarities between him and Logan at some points. But to compare them is as unfair to both of them, as comparing Jess and Dean. That's just night and day on both accounts. Dean had this stable family life, which Jess never had. Logan has the stability money wise, which Jess never had. Jess has the ability to tell people off, which Dean is never comfortable to do - and if he does, he back paddles. Logan has all those expectations to live up to, which Jess doesn't have - he can do "what he wants". I've seen the Logan video already, but I usually don't pay that much attention after Rory drops out of Yale, because I really don't like her at all anymore, and I just don't feel it. She's a spoiled brat, ungrateful, and just whiny. So my memory of her and Logan... not all that good. What I remember is Logan being a spoiled brat. Yes, Mitchum is an asshole, his family is trash, and he doesn't have the emotional support a child should have. That's similar to Jess and Lorelai. But the difference is, that they did something about it. They took off and made something for themselves. Build a life, became better persons. Logan is just comfy in his life. He's entitled, he's privileged. He likes that. So he is moping and playing victim, but he's feeling good in this role. And I'm just like "Boy, take your stuff and leave! You're smart, you may struggle for a while, but you can be in that place for yourself!"... But he just doesn't. He hates his father, but as soon as there is trouble, or he needs something, he's quick to point out who he is, who his father is. The Episode with the Yale Daily News. He doesn't save the day. He uses his last name to save the day. He doesn't have to make an effort. He just has to say "Huntzberger" and everyone does what he wants them to do. That's why I don't like him. It's the same as Rory does after the dinner with his family "Don't they know I'm a Gilmore?" - ugh. And there's nothing to be proud of for both of them. They didn't work for any of that. Others did the work, they are just inheriting the money and the status. Rory's trust fund is why she can travel back and forth all the time, by the way. She isn't using the money for something meaningful, like... buying underwear fcs. 250.000 is a lot of money. If I remember correctly. And that's just it with them: They are too comfortable with falling back on the family. Because, they don't have to work for something. And I hate that. That's making Jess the better man. Because he's doing the work, he's making an effort, and he pays owed money back, as soon as he can. He becomes this caring person, despite everything that's happened to him. He's there when his mother and his nut job for a step-father are in trouble. Maybe not as much for Liz as for Luke and his sister (Doula), but he is there. He is there for Luke and listens to him when Luke and Lorelai have trouble. Jess insists! Jess! He won't leave until he knows what's going on and if there's anything he can do. He's there for Rory, giving her advice (again!), after how badly she treated him. He just becomes the better man. Something we saw in the original show. He had the potential all along. Then there is Rory. Still cheating, still running back to exes, still being a spoiled brat. Logan. The same. Lorelai. Still judgmental when it comes to Jess. Still immature. They are all in the same place. And he is not. The irony! He's with Emily, Lane and Paris my favorite. Such great characters! Sorry for the long text. Just had to get it off of my chest. And I missed a lot of points again, I'm sure. ^^

Bull shit

logan has my 😍😍💓💓