The journey to Presbyterianism (w/ Isaiah Long)

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@isaacsandoval9316 27 күн бұрын

Just went to my first Presbyterian church service. Converting from Pentecostalism. Pray for me. If anyone teaches reformed theology I would love a Bible study!

@isaiahwlong 27 күн бұрын

I'm thinking about starting an online Bible study. Would you be interested?

@isaacsandoval9316 27 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong yes absolutely

@isaiahwlong 27 күн бұрын

@@isaacsandoval9316 Bet

@isaacsandoval9316 26 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong send me ur info so I can be added.

@isaacsandoval9316 25 күн бұрын

@@isaiahwlong shoot me your info so I can be added.

@TheScholarlyBaptist 28 күн бұрын

“Finally get saved and join the Presbyterian church.” Waking on thin ice Mr redeemed 😂

@Woolf729 28 күн бұрын

Wild *RedeemedGenAlpha* sighting:

@JoWilliams-ud4eu 28 күн бұрын

His last name is redeemed, not zoomer.

@TheScholarlyBaptist 27 күн бұрын

@@Woolf729 well Im 13 so i don’t know if it counts

@TheScholarlyBaptist 27 күн бұрын

@@JoWilliams-ud4eu same difference

@JoWilliams-ud4eu 27 күн бұрын

@RedeemedGenAlpha you are so Gen Alpha. Don't worry, though, you have a good head on your shoulders, and I'll be praying for your future Mr redeemed Gen Alpha.

@augustine.c8204 28 күн бұрын

ok i think this video is convincing me to actually convert to presbyterianism... I'd been listening to youtube videos by theologians explaining issues like paedobaptism and my mind still held onto the baptist definition of baptism so i was still confused. Was a very helpful talk, thanks guys

@keelanenns4548 27 күн бұрын

As someone who attends Sproul’s church and interacts with ligonier people regularly, I can confirm that the majority of them are presbapterians or Puritans

@redeemedzoomer6053 27 күн бұрын

cringe and disappointing

@keelanenns4548 27 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 it’s a bug not a feature. We need more Anglo-reformed people there.

@DrGero15 17 күн бұрын

@@keelanenns4548 Anglo-reformed?

@keelanenns4548 17 күн бұрын

@@DrGero15 Anglo-Reformed people are Anglicans who are very confessional (adhere to their Denomination's confession the 39 Articles of Religion). Anglicanism was designed to be pseudo-reformed by Thomas Cranmer. Anglo-reformed people are people who follow the Reformed ideas of salvation, the church, and its sacraments but who still affirm an episcopal style of church structure. They are generally low church anglicans, and to me they are similar to High church Presbyterians.

@DrGero15 16 күн бұрын

@@keelanenns4548 The 39 Articles are much closer to Lutheran than reformed, and an honest and knowledgeable Calvinist couldn't affirm all of them as they were written. The Anglican Formularies explicitly endorse; a general, not limited, atonement, a true Christian forfeiting salvation and being lost, instrumental baptismal regeneration, prevenient grace, God working with us for salvation, and resistible grace, among other things. Anglo-Reformed would be just as far off base as the Anglo-Catholics in claiming to adhere to them. It gets even worse for both groups if you read the Books of Homilies. (Which are explicitly endorsed as "godly and wholesome Doctrine" by the 39 Articles) As an example for the Anglo-Reformed, Homily 8 "On Declining From God" explicitly says a true Christian can forfeit salvation and be lost.

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool 28 күн бұрын

"There comes a heathen and says, 'I wish to become a Christian, but I know not whom to join: there is much fighting and faction among you, much confusion: which doctrine am I to choose?' How shall we answer him? 'Each of you' (says he) 'asserts, "I speak the truth."' (b) No doubt: this is in our favor. For if we told you to be persuaded by arguments, you might well be perplexed: but if we bid you believe the Scriptures, and these are simple and true, the decision is easy for you. If any agree with the Scriptures, he is the Christian; if any fight against them, he is far from this rule." - St. John Chrysostom, *Homily 33 on Acts*

@YourBoyJohnny94 28 күн бұрын

Papists hate this quote.

@YourBoyJohnny94 28 күн бұрын

@bluekazoo5378 And we agree with Church tradition as long as it doesn’t contradict scripture.

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool 28 күн бұрын

@bluekazoo5378 you should read William Perkins on Tradition in his book Reformed Catholic. 🙂 He’ll talk about the Reformed view. (There’s a free pdf online from Monergism)

@bradyhayes7911 27 күн бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94 Which Sacred Traditions contradict Scripture, and according to who?

@TheScholarlyBaptist 27 күн бұрын

@@YourBoyJohnny94this goes both ways

@dragonjo7550 28 күн бұрын

as someone who is attending a non denominational church, and i am currently called to attend it; im actually glad cause its very theologically sound, and while attending it and through my research I've been convicted of things like real presence, the importance of ritual and solemnity, the validity of baby baptism, and other generally considered by baptists not true bible. the one thing ive learnt is that a lot of these arguments are because of different definitions of things, and a general lack of theological depth of study. now i believe all churches have their different uses and strength, but i generally have better appreciation for big beautiful churches that focus on theology and deeper faith

@JodieJoe5 28 күн бұрын

This is such a good comment. I feel the exact same way

@warrenroby6907 27 күн бұрын

A truly great conversation. Some thoughts in no order of importance - One can be an optimistic amillennialist which is close to a post millennialist. I think it is more accurate to say Billy Graham was an inclusiveist than a universalist. Indeed theois is not a dirty word among the Reformed. “Praise God and baptize babies” should be put into some memes.

@cowboyschad5x778 27 күн бұрын

You’re content got me from Southern Baptist to the PCA, I know it’s not PCUSA but it’s a step closer. Also the speed speaking/ patient speaking thing is more of an urban/rural thing rather than a yankee/Southerner thing.

@mcfarvo 25 күн бұрын

God bless you, brothers in Christ

@yiannislampakis 16 күн бұрын

One God,one Christ,one church,one faith,one baptism divided in thousands doctrines....

@kamehamehaX300 16 күн бұрын

They’re so lost! They keep saying they have guidance but are constantly repeating how the foundations of their religions cannot be agreed upon

@Katie-om4bk 24 күн бұрын

Love my "Southern Baptist", "Reformed Baptist", "Presbyterian" and all Christian brothers and sisters.

@Katie-om4bk 24 күн бұрын

So important for us to focus on unity and our relationship with Jesus. 😀

@CooperTheGoosebumpsGuy 27 күн бұрын

Amen 🙏 Nice Video❤❤❤

@Songmyz 28 күн бұрын

RZ, how do you cope with limited atonement when the bible says God intended to save all peoples?

@redeemedzoomer6053 28 күн бұрын

The two don’t contradict

@Songmyz 28 күн бұрын

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Limited atonement doesn't square with when God forgave the Ninevites after repenting from their false gods. Also, how do you cope with Sola fide when Rahab, a gentile prostitute was justified for her works in James 2:25?

@lectorintellegat 28 күн бұрын

⁠@@SongmyzThe entirety of James 2 is explained by v17. James is rebuking the antinominianism of those who think because faith saves, they don’t have to be obedient. James - like Paul, like Jesus - is saying that faith alone is efficacious for salvation, but not the kind of faith that stands alone. A good tree bears good fruit. And the Ninevites has no bearing on limited atonement at all.

@Sebman1113 27 күн бұрын

This is where the Lutheran view comes in. The Bible says God chooses us, we are incapable of choosing God on our own merit. We are elected in our baptism. It doesn’t say we are retrobated by God but rather damned on our own merit for without Christ we are subject to judgement.

@pawlaovicto7824 7 күн бұрын

28:00 you guys speaking of research actually makes me more excited to read something. I found a bunch of Augustine's works in The Gutenberg Project and it woulf be nice to find other Church Fathers' works in the web. Anyway I gotta read some novels and study for getting a public office

@natevankoevering2423 28 күн бұрын

Mr. Zoomer I enjoy you videos and I was wondering if you could recommend any books that address "Kingdom Theology". Is N T Wright the only writer on this topic?

@redeemedzoomer6053 28 күн бұрын

he's the most lay-level writer, the best introduction. Also listen to Abraham Kuyper's Princeton lectures they're amazing

@tylerkropf9522 26 күн бұрын

8:19 is basically "Ask not what church can do the best for you, but what church you can do the best for God's kingdom in"

@adamthibault6027 27 күн бұрын

From my experience, postmil drives what we do! We work for the Kingdom, and when it seems discouraging, it drives us to keep going since eventually it will change, and we get to be a part of that change! How exciting that God decides to partner with us! It is quite interesting to me how any of the end times views can be used wrongly for us to be lazy. If the future is great, there’s nothing we need to do since it’ll just be good either way. If we don’t know, than it doesn’t matter if I do anything or not since there’s no telling what will happen. If the future is dark, I don’t want to have anything to do with it. It’s also cool how all can be used to help us do our work.

@yeudler41 22 күн бұрын

At 49:04, I believe that is actually called pleuralism (the idea that there are multiple paths to Heaven, not just through Christ), whereas universalism is that God will save everyone eventually (basically that Hell is not eternal, and those in Hell will be let into Heaven when their punishment is done with).

@ericdanielski4802 28 күн бұрын

Interesting video.

@Marijanus 28 күн бұрын

Didn't even watch it.

@mmpog 28 күн бұрын

I’ve been very curious about the Presbyterian church. However, the only one in my city is profoundly liberal. Rainbow flags planted in the front lawn, and based on the few online sermons I’ve watched from them they hold scripture as a sort of “nice book” but that it is written in an antiquated way with limitations of how accurate and useful it is for the “modern world.” It’s a shame because I’d like to expand my knowledge of theology. I was raised Baptist and had a very similar experience as Isaiah here.

@pedroguimaraes6094 27 күн бұрын

There's no PCA church?

@angelbonilla4243 27 күн бұрын

'Non-denominational" is another name for an independent evangelical/Protestant congregational. It does not mean that they do not see themselves as part of a Tradition. There are Lutheran, Baptist ( a lot) , Mennonite, Classical Pentecostal (a lot) , Reformed independent congregations.

@zurielcelis6665 18 күн бұрын

As someone who’s gone from pre trib rapture to amillennialism i think it’s the easiest because how depressing pre trib rapture is, it’s so easy to let go and amillennialism is so hopeful

@GarrettHayes-qi1tg 27 күн бұрын

can do a video on acolytes or alter servers

@jamesweldon5037 4 күн бұрын

Has the PC USA released its membership statistics yet for 2023?

@laiquende9971 27 күн бұрын

The BFM2000 calls the sacraments "acts of obedience." That's a huge issue with the definition of baptism. They place it under the category of law not gospel.

@crazyonefan 23 күн бұрын

The R.C Sproul hit threw me for a loop. I asked my OPC Pastor for a recommendation and he sent me their ESV Bible with footnotes as a good place to start. Based off the footnotes I was a little sus'd out when it came to some commentary or takes. I'm just curious as to what made your personal opinion shift? Are OPC churches more naturally Baptist leaning ( Ik you said churches are all different)? I also saw what the other commenter said.

@devinodonnell1989 23 күн бұрын

As a postmillenialist I very much agree with your guys' sentiments as amillenialists. The amillenialists that I know seem somewhat ambivalent about the future and even cautious about attempting to transform the world because they don't necessarily see it as part of God's plan. Like personal santification for the elect, God gaurantees world transformation but we are still called to be faithful in pursuing it.

@PeterMartyrVermigli_is_cool 28 күн бұрын

"Our very righteousness, too, though true in so far as it has respect to the true good, is yet in this life of such a kind that it consists rather in the remission of sins than in the perfecting of virtues." -Saint Augustine, City of God, Book XIX, Section XXVII

@jacobpottage6938 28 күн бұрын

30:25 I have not read the Bible, but I know a way of reconciling transubstantiation with the verse you just mentioned, God knows the future, so the bread and wine only be transubstantiate if God knows that the one receiving it will be part of the Kingdom of Heaven.

@JoWilliams-ud4eu 28 күн бұрын

Good idea, but you should read the bible. Not to say that your opinion is wrong because you haven't read.

@silaswatt9318 25 күн бұрын

I never expected to see my math teachers son in one of your videos but I guess anything can happen 🤣

@disreceded 28 күн бұрын

which bible was isaiah referring to at 26:52?

@ItsOnPaper 16 күн бұрын

Ancient Faith study bible

@disreceded 16 күн бұрын

@@ItsOnPaper thanks

@jacobpottage6938 28 күн бұрын

If you were baptised in a heretical group, do you have to get rebaptised if you convert to Christianity? And what if the heresy is not trinitarian but, docetist or pelagian?

@esserman1603 28 күн бұрын

If you are baptised in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the baptism is valid and there is no need for re-baptism.

@Bradford.C.Wallsbury 28 күн бұрын

It'd depend on the perspective of the denomination you're going into - and if you're not going into any then I guess it's on your heart to figure out through reading scripture and prayer. Would like to hear what any replies say so am commenting

@Protestant_Paladin440 28 күн бұрын

Yes. If you are baptized in a heretical group and believe their heresy and then repent afterward, you need to leave that heretical group and be baptized again. (Usually because they do not baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).

@justinscholl 28 күн бұрын

Yes

@Sebman1113 27 күн бұрын

If heretical group is a group that doesn’t baptize in the name of father son and Holy Spirit in that order, absolutely asap. Baptism saves, it is God working through the hands of man to claim you into his kingdom of everlasting life freeing you of sin and evil to go forthright into the world as a child of God ready to learn and transform the world with the guidance of Gods grace.

@cskandrsgyrgy 27 күн бұрын

A debate between Redeemed Zoomer and Doug Wilson would be great.

@wombatrepellant9809 28 күн бұрын

This is a brilliant satire

@Snowhater-jm1wr 28 күн бұрын

6:23 Did I hear that?

@quilesboy 28 күн бұрын

No tuxedo this time?

@briangronberg6507 28 күн бұрын

How does someone repent? EDIT: If I truly felt sorry for my sins, why would I have committed them in the first place? How do I repent, believing that without grace repentance is impossible while maintaining personal accountability?

@ihiohoh2708 27 күн бұрын

Repentance is a change of mind. Repentance starts with recognizing sin, and actively trying to stop it. It won't be perfect, but only through the work of the Holy Spirit may we overcome sin. Remember when you sin: _If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness._ *1 John 1:9*

@briangronberg6507 27 күн бұрын

Thank you for responding to such a fundamental and basic question. I’ve recently seen that I’m losing track of those fundamentals and I’d also never want to confuse Christianity with a self-help guide. So part of actively desiring to stop sinning is knowing that I need to actively seek out God’s help to avoid falling into temptation?

@justsomeguy9192-hx7jv 22 күн бұрын

@@briangronberg6507 Yeah, you need the helper..the Holy Spirit. One thing to remember is your focus shouldn’t be on not sinning in one sense. If that’s all you think about there are 2 outcomes: despair because you know you can’t do it, or pride because you’ve deceived yourself and think you’ve accomplished it. Be disciplined about reading the Bible and remember how Jesus rebuked satan when tempted..it is written..it is written..it is written. Willpower is important but it will fail when trying to conquer sin by itself. The spirit is willing but the body is weak. And don’t be so hard on yourself. The Lord says He will forgive you. Believe Him. Work on growing your faith (faith comes by hearing through the word of Christ-Romans 10:17) and replace that desire to sin with a love for Christ. It won’t happen overnight because the sanctification process is a lifelong journey.

@petermenkveld4162 27 күн бұрын

It is completely insane to accuse Doug Wilson of retreating from the culture. Doug Wilson has built institutions and shaped thousands of lives and families.

@redeemedzoomer6053 27 күн бұрын

he's got a good vision but objectively the "institutions" he's built are not even 10% as developed as your average state school