PE Foam FAQ I will update this with information regarding this mod as it comes to my attention, as I want to make sure those who try this mod are equipped with as much knowledge about this as possible. But as always, do this mod at your own risk! Improvements to my method: I saw this video (kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNZlqcWU2ti1moU.html ) after posting the guide and I now believe that the method they used in that video is probably the best (making cutouts for just the stabilizer housings and wires). For some boards, this is not fully possible (namely around the spacebar), but aiming for something at least close to that would be ideal. To compensate for not being able to cut around the spacebar, you can actually add a small piece of foam to just the spacebar just like this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lad0krF8vpjQXZs.html . The effect of this piece of spacebar switch foam seems to differ depending on the board. The GMMK Pro in the video seems to benefit from it a lot, whereas the effect on my 67 Lite is a lot more negligible (based on my own testing). How do I know my PE foam is non-conductive? If your foam is stated to be anti-static, ESD, or conductive (duh) it is conductive. I got someone I trust to test the conductivity of regular white PE foam with a multimeter and they confirmed it to be non-conductive. To be 100% sure that your specific foam is non-conductive, you'll likely need to use something like a multimeter to check (unless it's conductive properties are explicitly stated). Why do my switches sound "crunchy" after doing this mod? Chances are your switches are not fully seated, and you're hearing the sound of the foam being compressed. Double check that they're as far down as they can go! Why are my switches "ghost-pressing" or "double clicking" after doing this mod? Chances are your switches are not fully seated, or there is an issue with the pins. Is this better than tape mod? As with most things in the custom keyboard hobby, it all comes down to preference. Here's my sound test comparison of the two mods individually, as well as together: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb6imKaikt3Ufo0.html Why doesn't my board sound exactly like the Jelly or your 67 Lite? This mod produces a pretty loud sound that takes over the sound signature, especially in boards that are muted otherwise. Although, there is still obviously some variation: case design, mounting style, plate material, switches, use of sound dampening, dampening material, etc. all play a role. There is also a notable amount of variation between recorded sound tests sound and real life, so it might not even be possible to match a certain sound test's sound exactly. What happens if it's hard to peel off the thin plastic layer? If you're sure there's a plastic layer, try using something fine like tweezers - you should hopefully be able to peel it off like end the end of a tape roll. If it seems very very stuck on there you should be good to still use it with the plastic layer, but definitely poke holes for the large middle pin, and be careful when inserting switches! Depending on how strong the plastic layer is, you might get quite a few bent pins, but those are easy to fix. Be sure to support those sockets as shown in the video, and you should be golden 👍 If you have any more information regarding this mod, please let me know in the comments! If you or someone you know has encountered any significant issues with the PE foam mod, please drop a comment or email me at technologybrotherYT@gmail.com with the full details! I'm always interested in learning more and helping out.
@dasomannen3 жыл бұрын
I chose to not cutout for the spacebar, was that a mistake you think? :o
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@dasomannen that's totally fine! In fact, my current preferred PE foam cutting method (which I linked in the FAQ) has the foam under the spacebar intact!
@dasomannen3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Okey encouraging to hear! However my spacebar stab feels a bit... "waggly"? I was thinking that having the PE-foam under the stab bar has a negative effect on it. Anything you've noticed? :)
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@dasomannen hmm... that might be due to the foam rubbing against the bar, or the housing not being fully seated because it's sitting on the foam. If you make cutouts for both, I feel like it should fix your issue.
@dasomannen3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Ah yeah I made cutouts for the housings but not the stab wire, my bad :p But yeah in next build ill let cutout for the wire as well. Anyways ty for the answers and good vid!
@CEngi3 жыл бұрын
This definitely makes budget tray mount boards along with o ring mount mod so good!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@alfiegidney59923 жыл бұрын
plus the tempest mod
@muCephei_3 жыл бұрын
expensive boards have left the room
@breadoge80712 жыл бұрын
But the feel
@umi63762 жыл бұрын
O rings 😂😂😂🤢🤮
@virrze3 жыл бұрын
as much as I love the marbley sound of the PE foam case mod - I find it tends to ruin the unique sound signature of the switch and they all have the same marbley sound at the end.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
100% agree. While I'll likely be trying this in my incoming boards, I'll probably remove it in many of them so that there can be at least some variation regarding sound LOL
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I will say that some boards benefit from this mod more than others. Boards that are quite muted without it like the Jelly and POM plate Phantom definitely benefit greatly from this mod, but I'm not sure if I can say the same for the 67 Lite. Regardless, it's fun to experiment and learn more!
@jiejiemac3 жыл бұрын
I think you are right, the switches lose their characteristics. However, it does improve the sound =)
@nihalprakash88833 жыл бұрын
Consider that there is no unique sound signature for any switch. The same switch can sound different in different boards even without foam. But yes, stuffing the case with foam is obviously going to mask whatever sound you might have gotten without it.
@niko_okin44303 жыл бұрын
same, thats wy im not gonna use it on all of my customs and just some
@40ozrj983 жыл бұрын
Insane quality for someone with so little subscribers, good job man your board sounds great
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@YellowNotThe3 жыл бұрын
The amazon link in the description came in clutch, i was woried i wouldn't be able to get it at the right thickness and it also be antistatic. Thx
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Just going to comment here to clarify that the foam in the Amazon link isn't 100% confirmed to be non-conductive, but we have evidence of it being totally fine over multiple weeks of daily use so far. I suspect that most foam that has conductive properties will be marketed as anti-static/ESD/conductive, so I'm quite sure that the linked foam should be non-conductive (I'm likely going to be using it in future builds if I run out of foam from keeb packages). But, of course still try at your own risk! Also, I know what YellowNotThe means when they said "antistatic" but I want to reiterate for those reading this comment that antistatic foam should not be used as switch foam as it is conductive!
@massgrave8x3 жыл бұрын
I just did this to 3 of my boards (KBD8X MkII, 5 Degree and Tofu65) after finding out about it in a Discord server. The improvement in acoustics is actually shocking. All 3 boards sound MUCH more poppy and lively (which was especially needed with the 5 Degree).
@Viettzz2 жыл бұрын
But doesn't the PE foam can short the PCB? or where did you get a Non conductive PE foam?
@massgrave8x2 жыл бұрын
@@Viettzz used normal PE foam, never had any issues
@Agentfirestarter Жыл бұрын
@@massgrave8x I put some PE foam that I found around the house in the bottom of my case. Will it ruin my pcb?
@Wathyakoung3 жыл бұрын
just did this mod right after watching this vid, and at made a HUGE DIFFERENCE! and it only took about 15 mins. Thanks for the video!
@tide64473 жыл бұрын
gosheeeesh, u are one of the most, if not the most underrated keeb content creators out there, keep it up!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! More content coming soon :)
@tide64473 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder 1 more thing, i just want to say that this mod is one of the most effective mods out there.
@tide64473 жыл бұрын
OK OK OK THIS MOD IS ABSOLUTLEEY INSANE ON MY BOARD!!!!!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
@HotCoco_2 жыл бұрын
Foam mod is what tape modders wish they could be.
@PaladinSalt3 жыл бұрын
I have this in my portico now and it is an interesting mod, it makes it sound pretty marbley and more thocky than without the foam
@patricktan65243 жыл бұрын
I have a Portico as well and have been considering this mod, would you say that overall it's an improvement compared to w/o the mod? Thanks!
@PaladinSalt3 жыл бұрын
@@patricktan6524 I am liking how it sounds with the more thocky sound but it will depend on what switch you use I think. you should definitely try it out as you can always take it off later.
@patricktan65243 жыл бұрын
@@PaladinSalt Oh great, thanks!
@kurbbi4203 жыл бұрын
i just took my keyboards packing and shoved it inside of it lol
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Part of why this mod is so nice is that it's usually free! 😎
@XYZcity_hunter3 жыл бұрын
Man, you're a freaking god for us average entry level enjoyers. Thank you for making this!
@GuacamoleKun2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great info on how to do this mod... but I think the "before" sounds more satisfying on your board!
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Agreed LOL At the time it was the only board I could use to showcase the mod 😅
@NotPhil13 жыл бұрын
y know ur type of videos is exactly what i thought the keyboard community was missing
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! More videos on the way! :)
@MyPapa16 Жыл бұрын
Damn. First I though you were using candles since in the thumbnail the pe foam was positioned like it lmao. Good job on the video nonetheless
@tonym36592 жыл бұрын
You know what, even before you put PE Foam in there, it still sounded amazing!
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
I agree! Some boards definitely benefit from this mod more than others - I ironically prefer the stock sound of the 67 Lite over the PE foam one 😅
@tonym36592 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder I have the Corsair K100 and I modded it. I lube the switches, stabilizer's, tape mod, and pep foam mod. It came out great! Stabilizer's do need more work. I plan to switch out the switches with Durok's switches:)
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
@@tonym3659 that's great to hear! I look forward to seeing a sound test of the completed build! 👀
@batmansteel7782 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder do you prefer the stock 67 lite over the tape mod one? also, should I remove the case foam for tape mod?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
@@batmansteel778 I do personally prefer the stock 67 lite over any modded config yep! And you can keep the case foam on with tape mod if you'd like, but the case foam will just compress a bit.
@GiyuuTomioka13 жыл бұрын
The second last one in the intro was just 😩🤌
@shahrierhuq3 жыл бұрын
Technology brother face reveal got me feelin a type of way
@pekomsmink2 жыл бұрын
i just did this along with the tempest mod and i have to say that it changed my board completely and in loving the new sound signature
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@Nat3rTat3r2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video! Just subbed and it turns out I was your 1000th subscriber! Lol
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@GS-ls3ls2 жыл бұрын
bro, the sound is amazing
@OnlyLucid63 жыл бұрын
Why this shit make my mouth water, I just want to take a bite.
@coganada24683 жыл бұрын
I love how this is my exact build! Wil have to pick some up.
@frankieiero68593 жыл бұрын
your keyboards sounded good even without the PE foam mod
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
The beauty of it is that you're able to choose whether to mod your board or not! The purpose of this video is mostly to educate people about this mod just in case they DO want to do it!
@frankieiero68593 жыл бұрын
Will try this mod soon!
@user-1wy8wu019 ай бұрын
QUESTION: I put a 1.5V battery under a sheet of PE foam. My logic was: To take a multi meter measure of a battery wrapped in PE foam. If the multi meter showed something when touching the wrapped battery with the leads - then the foam is conductive. If no measurement - then it is not conductive. Well, took a measure and it showed 1.5V. So my question is: is my method correct and is my PE foam conductive? Thanks!
@nickieboards3 жыл бұрын
Dang this video was extremely well made! Thanks for including me!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for letting me use your sound tests!
@chups47903 жыл бұрын
This is awesome, your video quality is🥵
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@daeganj3 жыл бұрын
Love that tkc sticker lmaoooo
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Sure is a nice sticker :)))))))
@jyl34253 жыл бұрын
I was watching ASMR Keyboard full blast with my earphones and fell asleep and woke up because this. I forgot about auto play lol.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry LOL
@jyl34253 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder it's okay tho, I was actually planning to watch your video anyway, and besides it's also my fault
@H3Y0o2 жыл бұрын
Love video like this, short, sweet, and straight up to the point Edit: I subscribed because your videos are like that :)
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Cheezy! :)
@someoneontheinternet79003 жыл бұрын
I love when every switch sounds the same and the only sound is foam
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
LOL the beauty of mods like this is that they're optional :)
@someoneontheinternet79003 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder ye but when boards go for 1k on the aftermarket cus they got a piece of foam just makes me smh my head
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@someoneontheinternet7900 Fair enough 😅
@zl_3903 жыл бұрын
sounds like the pe foam makes the keyboard sounds clackier? I have a top mount cf plate gateron 8008 which sounds kinda muted with eva plate foam and poron case foam etc, might give this a try to see how it goes
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I personally would use "poppy" over "clacky" to describe how it affects sound but who knows what these words really mean anyways 😅 It will definitely make muted builds less muted, that's for sure! GL with the build if you end up trying it!
@zl_3903 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder I made the mistake of using tangerine for my first build while my intention was to get that thocky sound haha, the words for the kb sound are confusing sometimes my bad for using wrong words, but uh I'm curios how much difference the pe foam compare to the eva plate foam I have rn, plus having the sa profile keycaps which alrdy louder than standard cherry profile
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@zl_390 PE switch foam tends makes the switches louder and alters the sound signature a bit. Plate foam, like that EVA plate foam you're using, absorbs sound between the PCB and plate. They do two different things, and IMO they pair very nicely together (from my testing, plate foam tends to "clean up" any harsh sounds the PE foam might product).
@zl_3903 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder I'm really appreciate with how details your explanation on different setup, hopefully I get the correct non static pe foam and try out all the setups see how it matches with my keyboard
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@zl_390 Make sure it is NOT listed as "anti-static," "ESD," or "conductive," as counter-intuitive as that may be. Regular PE foam is your best bet! Something similar to the Amazon product in the description should be solid.
@thawzie3 жыл бұрын
imagine doing this and the tempest mod together...
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Check out the "Foam Exodia" section of this video 😉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb6imKaikt3Ufo0.html
@thawzie3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder I SEE THE TAPE ADDS MORE CLACK TO IT! PE foam mod it is
@jeremytjtuan29013 жыл бұрын
I didnt expect this to work as well as it did. Great vid and tutorial as well
@HanaOuka_3 жыл бұрын
cute axolotl cable bite~
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Got it on AliExpress :)
@johnedwardl.gaspar79782 жыл бұрын
keeb still sounds fire withoiut pe damn
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Agree! I honestly prefer it without PE ironically 😂
@elitemindsetgoals2 жыл бұрын
00:44 take a good look at the 🔍 recommendations, the internet never seems to surprise me🤣
@jammies701 Жыл бұрын
Nice vid mate
@2b2c1d22 жыл бұрын
Didn't watch the whole vid, but I heard that you said .5 mm or less is good but u get even more thock with 1.5 mm packaging paper and I also verified it
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Yup - the thicker you go, the more "deep fried" it sounds, but as a general rule I recommend 0.5 because some PCB/plate/switch combos are not strong enough to hold the switches in place with thicker foam. If a thicker piece of paper works for you without issues and you prefer that sound, great!
@juliomiguelsalvador51343 жыл бұрын
This sounds so crisp! Btw, why didn't you put PE foam within the stabs?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Honestly, no particular reason other than it made cutting very easy. I think in the future, I will try to only make cutouts for the stab wires as per the video in the pinned comment.
@hgjgjfjfmd3 жыл бұрын
Since my pc isn't hotswap, would you know if it would sound any better if I just use it as case foam?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
It would work similarly to any other case foam - so it will reduce hollowness a bit!
@awong983 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, subscribed.
@gamma13y3 жыл бұрын
Really loved this mod! Made my tofu65 aluminium + brass plate + boba u4t so marbly but was too loud for my (and my fiancee's liking). Unfortunately had to reverse the mod. Have you considered trying out other materials that are thinner (like paper)?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
This mod increases the volume of boards for sure, and your U4T/brass combo is probably among the loudest you can get 😅 I have considered that, but haven't gotten around to actually putting it in a board. If you try it, let me know how it goes!
@Captainshark982 жыл бұрын
There are so many variables to thock
@HoneyBeanSam3 жыл бұрын
Are there any alternatives to PE foam? Maybe some kind of paper or cloth that closely resembles PE foam?
@HoneyBeanSam3 жыл бұрын
@@Dubufy Haven't really tried anything yet. Although i've read someone used masking tape on top of the pcb instead of the bottom, and they said that it had the same effect as the pe foam mod. I might try using crepe paper since it's basically what masking tape is made out of, just without the adhesive. I don't like the idea of sticky residue on my pcb XD. Not too sure if masking tape or crepe paper is 100% safe though.
@HoneyBeanSam3 жыл бұрын
@@Dubufy i just tested no foam, pe foam and crepe paper. Crepe paper actually sounded "deeper" or "thockier" than PE (sorry, i'm fairly new to this and i don't really know which term to use lol). Although, i'm not sure if i can call it better or worse.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Interested to know/hear the effects of crepe paper as well! Dubufy, regarding your earlier comment, Tempest actually posted a sound test of their 7V with tape on top of the PCB and it does sound quite similar to the PE foam mod!
@HoneyBeanSam3 жыл бұрын
@@Dubufy after testing it out more. I think it does still have the marbley sound but just more muted than pe :(
@HoneyBeanSam3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder is there still going to be a static scare if you put tape on top of the pcb then put the pe foam on top of the tape? or is that not going to work any more?
@levicervantes21703 жыл бұрын
Hi I am new to this and I really love your keyboard!!! What is your build and how much did it cost? Thanks!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! The full build details are in the description, and in total (including shipping and taxes), it costed around $375.
@jaydenjau3 жыл бұрын
Is the stock silicone you mentioning the silicone dampener pad that KBDFANS release recently or it's just the silicone gasket that sit between the pcb and plate?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Good question. It's just the silicone gasket that sits between the PCB and plate!
@jaydenjau3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Thanks!
@jiangxina95663 жыл бұрын
Do you have to make cut outs for plate mount stabs?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend making cutouts for only the housings to avoid a mushy/muted bottom out. If you like a mushy/muted bottom out, no need to make cutouts!
@kariyui3 жыл бұрын
Can this mod be recreated with the kbdfans switch pads which to my knowledge is just like a bandaid mod for your stabiliser but for the switches?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Most likely! It is made from a different material (poron) but I expect that it will yield similar results. If you get some let me know how it goes! I might do a review on those in the future.
@kariyui3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder ok ima try it then
@creal_2 жыл бұрын
which typing tool do you use? Nice job btw
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
I use monkeytype.com ! Thank you!
@datdang50423 жыл бұрын
why do I like the sound without PE foam?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I do too LOL currently running it without the foam - it definitely helps certain boards more than others!
@maozedowner5915 Жыл бұрын
I just put a towel beneath my keyboard and it does the exact same thing lol
@dom26813 жыл бұрын
just did it ands soooooo good sooo much thock and pop
@petern97762 жыл бұрын
Do you have to do anything different if your PE foaming a solder keyboard? I have a tofu84 and I want to do this mod for it! Excellent video can’t wait to try this out. :)
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Only difference is to be careful to not melt the foam with the iron! Happy modding! :)
@petern97762 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Thank you! Can't wait to try this out on my new build. I've been looking to make it a bit nicer sounding.
@joenuts83233 жыл бұрын
hi i have a question, the pe foam im about to buy says its anti static, is it the same as non conductive?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Good question! Anti-static means it is slightly conductive, as it is intended to dissipate static shocks away from electronics while they are being shipped (not intended for use in plugged in electronics). I would recommend against using that unless it's your only option. Although, I should note that other people have used that and reported no issues so far, as it is only very very slightly conductive.
@joenuts83232 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder ok thanks man
@Snafu_3 жыл бұрын
Amazing how much difference a piece of foam can make! How did you manage to peel the plastic off the foam? Ive been trying but cant seem to find an edge...
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Most foam I've seen doesn't actually have the thin plastic layer - I just included that part as a precaution. If you're sure there's a plastic layer (i.e. it's not super easy to pierce the foam), try using something fine like tweezers and you should be able to peel it off like end the end of a tape roll!
@Snafu_3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder mine definitely has a very thin layer of plastic that is near impossible to peel off as the foam is sort of ribbed. Do you think it would be ok to use with the plastic still on? I cant find any other foam available for purchase in the uk :(
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@Snafu_ you should be good to still use it, but definitely poke holes for the large middle pin, and be careful when inserting switches! Depending on how strong the plastic layer is, you might get quite a few bent pins, but those are easy to fix. Be sure to support those sockets as shown in the video, and you should be golden 👍
@nathankennedy45563 жыл бұрын
is there only a problem with static if you have a metal case. I have a plastic case and am wondering if there will be any electrical problems between the switches or the pcb.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
If you're using regular, non-conductive foam there shouldn't be any issues regardless of what material the case is made out of. But if you're using conductive foam for some reason, there will still be risk of damage to your PCB, albeit slightly less than if you were using a metal case.
@danielsullano86213 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Have you tried KBD Fans Switch Pads? Have you tried using both PE + Switch Pad or would this be an overkill already? What's your take on this?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I have some on the way! I honestly am expecting the combination of both to be redundant. In the meantime, check out this great video covering the switch pads by TJP Tech! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/asWWoMaGqLO5imw.html
@yassharrathi13373 жыл бұрын
I have one lying around but I don't know if it's non conductive or whatever it is
@1700tt3 жыл бұрын
Trying this out soon. Can i combine the tape and the pe mod? Or pe mod is good enough on kbd67 lite?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
You can definitely combine the two! Here's my sound test comparison of them separately, and together: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fb6imKaikt3Ufo0.html
@user-bn3fo8zx5g3 жыл бұрын
What should i do with RGB leds on the pcb? Cut some holes for them? Cause i guess they will overheat if i dont =C And about ESD - is there an risks if i have plastic case for my keeb? idk about conductivity of my PE foam, so i'm a bit worried to try, but want so bad
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I asked a PCB designer about this and they said that it should be fine! I've been using it for a few weeks on my 67 Lite (LEDs on for a few hours a day) without any issues, but yeah that's not exactly a rigorous test. If you want to be super duper safe, making cutouts for LEDs would definitely help. I do want to reiterate that you should try this mod at your own risk but I personally am confident enough in its safety to use it on my personal builds.
@user-bn3fo8zx5g3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder tysm,man. I'll try to use the foam I have,even if it kills my PCB. The difference in sound is huge,so I want to try. If I'll get a dead PCB - I'll let u know :D
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@user-bn3fo8zx5g LOL hopefully it doesn't come to that, but it would be nice to know if/when it does happen. I'll do the same 😅
@techalex19922 жыл бұрын
This will block the RGB lighting.
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
If you use thin enough foam, its effects should be negligible. But if that's still a major concern, you can use the switch pad stickers or pre-cut foam offered by KBDfans and other vendors!
@techalex19922 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder i will do this to my keyboard. since i already have caps with no rgb support. actually i wanted to do it even earlier,but was not convinced enough...it gives more deep sound.
@Agentfirestarter Жыл бұрын
So I put some PE foam that I sound around the house in the bottom of my case for sound dampening. Do you think it will short my pcb?
@utdjustin3 жыл бұрын
I have a multimeter, what exactly do I need to test to see if my pe foam is conductive? Amps? Voltage? Ohms?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
To test for conductivity, use the multimeter to test for continuity between any two close points on the foam!
@utdjustin3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder So you’re saying to just put the leads close together on the foam? Sorry for the noob question lol
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@utdjustin pretty much yep! Just make sure it's set to continuity mode.
@utdjustin3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder thanks brother!
@utdjustin3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder one last question… I want to do this on my GMMK pro with an FR4 plate. So basically I would take out the stock plate foam, and replace it with PE foam right? Not use both? I plan on leaving the case foam too.
@sanapinon2 жыл бұрын
I winged everything without watching tutorial(s) first and I managed to make 10 switches not working (pin bent so bad it can’t be fixed etc) LMAO. Watch this first before modding! 😆
@PLILLY5143 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend also including plate foam or is the pe enough by itself?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend plate foam, as the PE foam mod can produce a quite loud sound without any sort of foam to dampen it. IMO, plate foam "cleans out" the harsh sound from the PE foam mod. But, if you don't have any plate foam on hand, others been able to achieve a very nice sound with case foam as well. Any additional foam alongside the PE foam seems to help a lot!
@PLILLY5143 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder thanks a lot for the help!
@kurious_kuromi2 жыл бұрын
:O can i use the pe foam that came with gmmk? i'm using it in my hotswap board right now withou any issues but i am suddenly nervous
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
You should be able to, many have done it in the past, and it's been a few months at this point! But of course still do it at your own risk :)
@xavoid15603 жыл бұрын
Is the linked PE Foam confirmed to be non conductive?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
It's not 100% confirmed, but we have evidence of it being totally fine over multiple weeks of daily use so far. I suspect that most foam that has conductive properties will be marketed as anti-static/ESD/conductive, so I'm quite sure that it should be non-conductive (I'm likely going to be using it in future builds if I run out of foam from keeb packages). But, of course still try at your own risk!
@jordanng54282 жыл бұрын
I will be using pe foam sticker which is pre laser cut and need to paste it yourself on the pcb. Can I add another layer of pe foam?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
You might be able to, but I honestly wouldn't recommend it - it starts to sound more distorted the thicker you go from my testing, and you also risk the switches becoming unseated over time if your board is hotswap. Others have used quite thick foam without issue though, so YMMV!
@yannickjulien1542 жыл бұрын
My local enthusiast keyboard store are selling these switch pads made with different materials like IXPE, EVA and Poron. But the store advertises them as Anti-static and ESD materials, from what you have claimed these types of materials may cause damage, therefore should i stay away from these or what?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Realistically, the chance that they will harm your PCB is very low, but the risk exists nonetheless. Many have been using anti-static foam for months without any issues (that I know of), but yeah do keep in mind that the risk (although very mild) is there.
@drinkingexpiredmilkat3am1743 жыл бұрын
Did you put the pe foam below the silicone and foam or on top?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Short answer: below Although, if you're going to try this mod please watch the full video! It's all explained there.
@Frankie-kn4ex3 жыл бұрын
Could I possibly use the packaging foam that comes with the kbdfan lite r2 pcb? or anything within that kit. I'm in Canada, so I can't really seem to find any foam at a reasonable price
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLSlisdj27DDXYE.html Based on this unboxing video, it doesn't seem like what the PCB is wrapped in is PE foam. But if what yours is wrapped in looks similar to what I used in the video, chances are you should be okay. Definitely still do it at your own risk though! Alternatively, you might be able to contact a local store to get some foam! GLHF
@gatomeong3 жыл бұрын
can i use this mod with packaging foam that came with my kb?? its redragon k530 if ur wondering
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
If it looks anything like the foam in the video it should work!
@_kr14343 жыл бұрын
How do I check if the pe foam is conductive or non-conductive?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
You'd have to use something like a multimeter! If the foam does not explicitly state that it's anti-static, ESD, or conductive, it should be safe. But yeah, to be 100% sure you will need a multimeter.
@Daniel-dj7fh3 жыл бұрын
What did you do to get this board to sound like this before the pe foam mod, and the last video where you showcased this board. How do I get marble sounds? Do I need an alu case, a poly plate, and durok stabs? Running: the cheap transparent aliexpress case, an alu plate, gmk screw in stabs (holee and lubed), gateron milky black (lubed with dielectric grease, trust me it works) and a ymdk set of iso carbon caps. No foam what so ever. I'm possibly thinking about getting this weird 42 buck alu low profile case from kbd fans and durok stabs becasue my spacebar rattles quite abit for some reason.
@Daniel-dj7fh3 жыл бұрын
or is it just because my current board is case mounted?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Different boards will sound very different based on many factors including the mounting style! In the case of this board, the switches used in this video were Gateron Black Inks, whereas I had Durock L7s (Alpacas) in a previous video.
@VincentNah3 жыл бұрын
Can you do cutouts for wire and housing near the space bar or is it not possible? For kbd67 lite. And if so, what do I do.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but the pinned comment has some nice updates regarding how to cut the foam, as well as a workaround for spacebar foam!
@VincentNah3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder sorry for being unclear, I meant that since you said some boards may have a hard time cutting around stabilizer housing and wire near the space bar. I wondered if that was the case for the kbd67 lite. This still might be confusing though, so don’t feel obligated to answer me
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
No worries! That is indeed the case for the 67 Lite because there is no room below the spacebar stabilizer for foam to wrap around. I included a workaround for this in the pinned comment!
@tsunderechild27773 жыл бұрын
You can get antistatic pe foam
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Antistatic PE foam is slightly conductive and is not recommended for the PE foam mod - it's purpose is to dissipate static electricity away from electronic components while being shipped.
@seasaItlatte3 жыл бұрын
Do I no longer need to put PE foam under the stock foam? Just the one sandwiched between the silicone and PCB?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
In this video, the only PE foam I used is sitting between the switches and PCB, so yep between the silicone and PCB.
@lildinnercake38173 жыл бұрын
I looked at the link that you provided for the pe foam and went to the Question and Answer part of the amazon product. Someone asked if the foam was static proof and someone replied that it was. If it is static proof does that mean that it is anti-static?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I would take that answer with a very very very small grain of salt. Any random person can answer Amazon Q&As.
@jbbbbb7702 жыл бұрын
about the thin plastic layer, does the orientation of where it is facing matter? like is it better when it is facing the pcb or plate?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Ideally you should be able to peel it off, but if you can't for some reason, I think either orientation should work fine! I haven't done much testing with the plastic layer on, so I'm not definitively sure which would be best.
@nikosdacanay89822 жыл бұрын
Hey great video, can i do this trick on an anne pro 2 board?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but you will need to desolder the switches in order to apply the foam underneath. If you end up trying it, be careful when re-soldering so to not melt the foam. Good luck!
@JacobTech-35672 жыл бұрын
The Jelly Epoch with no or foam is disappointing
@milkman67123 жыл бұрын
Would I have the same effect if i use 2 1.5mm thick sheets or should I just use one? Is 1.5mm enough to make a difference? Or can I Just stack two together
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
1.5mm sheets of.. PE foam? If you're taking about switch foam you will need it to be thin enough to fit between the switches and PCB (
@milkman67123 жыл бұрын
My bad 😂 i meant 0.15mm. So does this mean it doesn’t make a difference how much I put as long as it’s below 0.5mm?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@milkman6712 to my knowledge, yep - should be good!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Although, I haven't tested with foam that thin. For reference, the PE foam the Jelly uses is 0.3mm, and the foam I used in this video is 0.5mm. So let me know if using that foam still produces a similarly poppy sound! I expect that it should but I'm still curious to know!
@milkman67123 жыл бұрын
Definitely will do!
@richardbrady18493 жыл бұрын
But why does it do that?!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, still not entirely sure 😅 Although, my current theory is that it has something to do with sound travelling through solids more easily than air. Perhaps the PE foam is absorbing and dissipating more switch sound than air normally would? If anyone in the comments knows or has any ideas please let us know in the replies!
@xianead182 жыл бұрын
May I ask what you mean by case foam? Is it the bottom foam that comes with the kit itself?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@izzyaussieisakavesiscooles54572 жыл бұрын
Should I buy silicone is it safe
@LuciFer45633 жыл бұрын
Is the pe foam that comes with the gmmk pro packaging safe to use?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Should be! Caloy's Keyboards tested it with a multimeter and confirmed it to be non-conductive and therefore safe to use! Check out his video about it to see a great showcase of the mod on the GMMK Pro :)
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5mYosp71NrOfoU.html
@johnathanchan65903 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this will change the KBD67 lite sound?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
LOL watch the full video and find out ;)
@ishanthtalanki74532 жыл бұрын
Could you use toilet paper or any other substitutes?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
I mean you could 😅 but I'm not sure how well it would work. I honestly wouldn't recommend it because of how frail and dusty toilet paper can be. As for substitutions, other foam like poron or EVA has been proven to work, but those seem harder to come by.
@Lewis_football7 Жыл бұрын
Bruh i cant get pe foam from any where wth
@Ryan-ro7fo2 жыл бұрын
How is the pe foam holding up now? Bought the same exact one and am planning to put it in my Tofu65
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
To be totally honest I removed mine since the filming of this video but I basically dailied it for a month without any issues!
@_paczki3 жыл бұрын
Could you recommend PE Foam in Canada?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
I unfortunately don't know anyone who's tried foam from Amazon Canada or another Canadian retailer yet, so I can't give any hard recommendations. Although, any PE packing foam you find that is
@DJaquithFL3 жыл бұрын
I use Cherry MX Blue clicky switches 👍😎 and WASD linears.
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@jiangxina95663 жыл бұрын
Can this create static and brick the PCB, or is this not a concern?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Please watch the full video and read the pinned comment! I cover that in both. If you want the TL;DW, just watch the "Which PE Foam to Use" chapter and read the pinned comment.
@sdgsdgeswdgfregsdm20182 жыл бұрын
is 1mm foam a bit too thick?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
It should work fine! Thicker foam just has a slightly higher risk of unseating switches and sounds a bit more "deep fried" compared to thinner foam, but I've seen others use 1.5mm foam in multiple boards so I think 1mm should be fine!
@sdgsdgeswdgfregsdm20182 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Thanks for the response! Really appreciate it.
@sdgsdgeswdgfregsdm20182 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Hm, but do you think that 0.5 mm is better to use?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
@@sdgsdgeswdgfregsdm2018 yeah, I would recommend 0.5mm (or less even) if you can find it!
@CookiePire3 жыл бұрын
what if you were to use two layers of foam or a thicker thoam?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Based on NearLucid's guide where he used 1.5mm thick foam, I don't think it would change much in terms of sound. Although it might compress more, and plate foam will be a bit more if a tight squeeze. I haven't tried it out for myself though, so if you do LMK how it goes!
@CookiePire3 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder thanks i will!
@Ken-zg3ze2 жыл бұрын
So you don't need any other foam between the plate and the pcb? If the board already has thick foam between the plate and PCB should I remove it to achieve this sound?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
You can include that foam (commonly referred to as plate foam) alongside this PE foam as well. In this video, I'm using plate foam along with PE foam.
@Ken-zg3ze2 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Oh ok I didn't see it in the video. If it doesn't have plate foam is it better to use 2-3 layers of the PE foam?
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
@@Ken-zg3ze it depends on how "deep fried" you want the sound. When using PE foam, I personally prefer going as thin as possible, even when not using plate foam.
@Brudder2 жыл бұрын
To clarify, a thicker switch foam/PE foam layer will make the sound more "deep fried"
@Ken-zg3ze2 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder Thanks for the clarification. I've never heard someone say "deep fried" lol but I get it. I ended up adding 1 layer for plate and 2 for the case and the tape mod and it sounds perfect for me.
@dylan25723 жыл бұрын
how can i remove the thin plastic layer? im sure my foam has it, but it just wont peel off
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Try using something fine like tweezers - you should hopefully be able to peel it off like end the end of a tape roll. If it seems very very stuck on there you should be good to still use it with the plastic layer, but definitely poke holes for the large middle pin, and be careful when inserting switches! Depending on how strong the plastic layer is, you might get quite a few bent pins, but those are easy to fix. Be sure to support those sockets as shown in the video, and you should be golden 👍
@dylan25723 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder will the plastic layer effect the sound in any way?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
@@dylan2572 I don't believe so, but I haven't tested to confirm. If you've seen/heard the Phantom build I did with PE foam, that actually had the plastic layer still on it!
@dylan25723 жыл бұрын
@@Brudder one more thing, other than buying a better board how can i make mine sound more consistent throughout? im using the gk61 with aluminum plate.. sorry for asking this but everyone else just said to buy a better board
@walterli5923 жыл бұрын
THis legit sounds better than a Jelly epoch!
@JasonGrover916973 жыл бұрын
So the foam you linked is okay to get?
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
While no one (that I know of) has officially tested it with a multimeter, I am quite confident that it is non-conductive and know someone that has used in their board for almost a month now without issues. If you have a multimeter, please test it if you can! Otherwise, use it at your own risk!
@Brudder3 жыл бұрын
Considering how much traction this video has received, I may grab some of the foam as well as a multimeter and test it myself in the future. Although, I am already confident enough in the foam that I plan to use it in my personal builds if I run out of PE foam from packaging lol