And, to expand on simplified and traditional (written) characters, the former is used in PRC/Mainland China, while the latter is overwhelmingly used in ROC/Taiwan.

All that seems so complicated, seems like the symbol written language is a somewhat an handicap in these "modern westernized" times when it comes to IT stuff. Wonder how all of this is applied to Arabic.

Also, it's a pain before Unicode was born and UTF-8 become a de facto. Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese both have various different encoding system, when you receive a file, you need to figure out which encoding it's using, otherwise you just see weird and meaningless characters been displayed.

they speak Chinese

​​​@@OmidionArabic uses an alphabet with similar roots to our latin one. The first two letters of the Arabic alphabet are Aleph and Ba, named very similarly to the Greek Alpha, Beta, which is where we get the word "alphabet" from.

there is another one called Wubi which is based around the 8 basic calligraphy strokes that you learn in kindergarten

I think there's no big difference for brain development. The time could be spent learning other things

Sounds like you're just coping Even ethnic chinese would rather learn 3 other languanges than mandarin lmao

The problem with using the sound/pronounciation of a Chinese character is that it is restricted to a single (spoken) dialect, namely Mandarin, where as the glyph based character entry is dialect-agnostic.

Cangjie is the fastest input method, because almost 95% character has unique input code Other input method are easy to learn, but too many code share by multi-character, that need a selection section after codeing

Tom Scott almost did this with his Emoji keyboard.

@@tyjuji news flash: Tarran was inspired by the emoji keyboard to build his macro system.

I always Thought Riley Was Attractive And Luke Was Looking Great Today Too.....Im Not Even Gay Lmaoooo

@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords Yea it's not an easter egg since its quite obvious.

@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords -Said the gay person

@@vracaze 🤣😂🤣😂If I where actually gay I'd be offended

好好学习，天天向上

@@rheart4423 哈哈对，慢慢来吧

Nightmare for people with dyslexia.

As someone with adhd- Yeah. No you’re right 😂

​ @dippinheadspeen I have doth lmao

​@@AlyDriscme too

twitter users stop mentioning your mental illness for 4 seconds challenge impossible

I'm a Chinese. Everytime Americans ask me about it, I would say, yes, we have a thousand keys on our keyboards.

basically Katakana but Chinese

@@pryn.darkstorm Chewing symbols are not used in Chinese writing, though.... You won't be able to see Chewing symbols hanging around in an article or some sort written in traditional Chinese. Here's the Chinese version of this comment response. 注音符號不會出現在中文的文章哦。你不會在中文的文章裡看到穿插其中的注音符號。 永遠不會放棄你，永遠不會讓你失望。永遠不會到處亂跑然後拋棄你。

​@@yusinwuI can't believe you've done this lol

@@yusinwu 可4閱讀火星文也是台灣人ㄉ必備技能之一ㄋㄟ (扭)

@@h.johnwei4797 我都忘了有注音文這種東西... 更正：忘ㄌ

So those keyboards I see with the japanese characters on them are not really used anymore? Japanese people just use the alphabet and predictive text to write?

Not sure if it is correct, the chinese pronunciation keyboard you are refering to could be 注音( zhuyin or bopomofo keyboard to some (the first few character in the keyboard)) which focus on the sound or phonetics. Some phone would label taiwan beside this type as it is very commonly used in taiwan.

People use pinyin because they don’t need to learn another method to input. Structure based input systems (like Chanjie, Da-Yi, etc) are faster. They are less needed to select words after input

yup, that's basically how we used to write letters when we only had number buttons.

@@NeonNoodleNexus Yep, pretty much! "Romaji Input" is by far the most common. That's typing in English letters ...representing kana ...representing kanji. But some still use "kana input", which eliminates the middles step. There are technically also pure kanji keyboards, but they're very obsolete. Search for "IBM kanji keyboard" if you'd like to see some monstrosities 😅

I'm a Cangjie-only user here, and funny story about how I ended up learning it... One day when I was a kid, my parents were bringing me to some boooooring event where I'd have nothing useful to do for hours. So I brought along a book lying around for learning Cangjie, and I finished it before the event was over 😂 then it took me about another three months of practice before it became effortless, but I’ve been using it ever since! I find that it has really helped me with not forgetting how to write less-used characters as well, compared to my peers, since you have to know how to write a character to type it using Cangjie! And of course, it is immensely helpful when I have to look up characters I haven’t seen before and whose pronunciation I don’t know (which happens probably more often for me than the average peep, because I occasionally read classical Chinese). It also helps me in typing minor variants of characters (e.g. 歲 vs 歳, 戸 vs 戶, etc.) that most other pronunciation-based input methods do not give, though unfortunately Unicode combines most character variants into a single codepoint (though the variants can be selected using an additional invisible variant selector character), so it doesn’t work for the majority of character variants...

I only use writing pad, voice typing is not that reliable, anyone can use writing pad without learning keyboard layout

@@koalitaDormilona When theres a character I don't know how to pronounce I just handwrite the character into the writing pad and it spits it out instantly. Useful when some characters in Cantonese are not in Mandarin, though most Cantonese speakers have ways around it, for example using homophones or using English letters.

And yeah probably should start reading Classical chinese, makes understanding 成语 easier to understand!

@@Tyranitar66501 I don’t have a writing pad for my desktop PC... I can very slowly draw characters using the mouse with the default Microsoft handwriting input, but it doesn’t recognize Cantonese-only characters at all... Plus I come across characters I don’t know frequently enough (from classical texts) that it's really convenient to be able to type any of it in just one second, instead of drawing it every time. But for the vast majority of peeps, handwriting is more than sufficient! My dad solely uses handwriting to input Chinese, but he somehow is the one to frequently ask me, who almost never actually write characters any more, how to write certain characters 🤭

I can type äêìóū all on a standard US keyboard, which is what we normally use in 🇳🇿. On Linux, I use compose-key sequences to do them.

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 on windows you can use alt codes

I'm native czech speaker/writer. We got a lot "modified" characters. So we use QWERTZ layout. Y a Z are switched due frequency of using Y. All "weird" characters with hyphens (Ř, Ť, Ž, etc.) and with commas above (Á, É, Í, etc.) got mostly own key (shift + number). Commonly used symbols and diacritics are in "symbols" section near right enter. Less used are there aswell but with shift or alt. It's mostly displayed on key in corners. So no big deal. There is like capital Ň, u have to press "only hyphen" key (shift + key next to backspace) and then shift + n, but it's not used much.

@@The_Wallu Interesting. In Pinyin, we also have these modifiers. For each vowel, say “a”, you got 5 tones, represented by “ā” “á” “ǎ” “à” and “a”. Although that’s for marking the pronunciation, or the “tone” in Chinese. To type Chinese, these modifiers are not required. Unlike alphabetic writing systems, the pronunciation of a Chinese character is rather “detached” from the word itself. A pronunciation could represent many characters, a character could also have multiple pronunciations. So to type Chinese with Pinyin, you have to either choose the word you want using the number keys, or type out a longer phrase to narrow the possibilities. Using Cangjie or Wubi can avoid that, since there’s only one way to write a character. Languages are just fascinating. Chinese and English are so completely different in their writing system, and they essentially originated in the opposite side of the earth. Yet, they are incredibly similar in grammar. I think that’s really reflecting something burying deep in our human nature.

@@AltonV But then you have to remember numbers. Compose-key sequences are based on mnemonics. E.g. compose-e-equals for “€” sign.

Tom Scott made an emoji keyboard with 1k keys back when there were way fewer emojis.

you could make one with 2 keys

when the keyboard is created, there will be a mad lad, who makes it a macro keyboard, and it will either be a RPG player or Taran who needs more editing macros...

It'll be made by Artlebedev, have OLED's on every key and cost $25k

why make a keyboard with 20 thousand keys if you can just type the unicode character in binary with just 2 keys

im a certified pinyin hater, but i think its still better than Cangjie since it associates the sound with the character, and in a language where they are completely disconnected and many people forget the sounds, it's nice to keep it fresh when you type it out 😅

The last statement only holds true for regions like China, which is not the only user of Chinese input methods. In Taiwan the default Chinese input method is actually 注音(Zhu-yin) which is comprised of composing elements such as ㄅㄆㄇㄈ instead of abcd. Also it is known that while the leaning slope is relatively steep, 倉頡 and even 注音 input methods have better efficiency in composing Chinese characters as the average keystoke needed is lesser than the Pin-yin input method, which is also why they still existed and even thrived in the recent years.

Learning Chinese is just repeating exactly what you heard, but then being told you're pronouncing it entirely wrong. It's a really difficult language to get down, then you have the cultural differences as well.

@@Stealth86651 my experience exactly haha, I'm doing my best but dang is it hard haha

@@DogacBilgeI do. I think a lot of people who watched the video all the way thru and are interested in the Chinese typing method would find this comment interesting as well.

Korean uses an extremely well designed phonetic alphabet.

I'd watch that! Hey guys, comment here to notify me if y'all decide to do it

Agreed

Fancy seeing you here, you're from Politics Hub right?

Linus doesn’t press this key anymore.

Linus Hard R Sebastian strikes again

I thought I was the only one who was surprised by that one!

LTT Flashbacks

Linus used to drop the Hard R all the time.

But why do you use PinYin if you can type faster with Cangjie?

I found the answer in another comment. Cangjie is not designed for Simplified Chinese. That's why PinYin is more convenient. But there is also Wubi.

@@airplot3767 Cangjie is an input method editor (IME) used to decompose Traditional Chinese characters into their constituent parts, making it easier to type them on a keyboard. If you need a similar IME for Simplified Chinese, you can use Wubi, which is another input method that uses a different method of character encoding. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with Wubi.

@@airplot3767 Additionally, because Cantonese is spoken in Hong Kong, its pronunciation is generally considered more complex than Mandarin. Moreover, the Traditional Chinese writing system is also generally considered more complex than Simplified Chinese. However, with Cangjie, I am able to type any Chinese word without needing to know its pronunciation.

繁體中文萬歲！注音符號萬歲！

Guangdong or Cantonese people also use traditional, same as Japan... There's no reason to get "we need to preserve this" with it, it's an older font that slows down efficiency and adds difficulty to learning, both for children and for foreigners whom learning how to speak the language for them is already challenging enough. You don't see people still writing in 甲骨文 now do you...

@@stealther1401 That's a fair point. But the problem with simplified Chinese taking over traditional Chinese is that our culture will be gone with those beautiful characters. Nowadays people in mainland China have problems reading Chinese articles written just less than 80 years ago because they are not able to read traditional Chinese. Traditional Chinese has been prominent for Chinese culture as well as the entire history for centuries. People shifting from traditional Chinese to simplified is a clear yet sort of disturbing trend in the Asian community. It would be such a shame to discard or at least not be able to understand our culture in the future if we just put traditional Chinese aside from now on. Therefore I personally believe traditional Chinese should be preserved

​@@stealther1401 Nowadays Traditional Chinese is only sparsely used in Guangdong, with most use cases being trademarks/logos. It was more prevalent in 1980s and early 1990s due to the closer cultural and economical connection to Hong Kong and Macau, but later it was no longer the case. I was born and raised in Guangdong. In my generation, Schools only teach simplified Chinese (exceptions do exist, like in calligraphy courses). Though, Cantonese people (esp. those born before 2000) can generally read Traditional Chinese with no effort due to the widespread of Hong Kong TV programs in Guangdong. Japanese Kanji is not exactly the same thing as Traditional Chinese. Many Kanjis also “look the same” as Simplified Chinese as they share the same origin of archaic characters or 俗字，vernacular characters. Japanese also created some 和製漢字, (lit. “Japan-made Chinese Character”). Also, even though some Kanjis have the same structure as TC or SC, the actual appearance of the glyphs might be different due to regional standards (re: github.com/adobe-fonts/source-han-sans/raw/release/SourceHanSansReadMe.pdf)

If you teach people to be good at memorizing but fail to teach them critical thinking skills outside of a compartmentalized area and add in fear of government retribution, you have a society that is enslaved but doesn't know it so it will be hard to rebel as long as you feed them some carrots from time to time, in between beatings with the stick. I'm glad no one would do such a thing though. Whew!

​@@dakoderii4221it's impossible to intuitively learn Traditional or Simplified Chinese with out rote memorization.

​​@@Epsilonsamawrong, I myself am able to pick up many common Chinese characters due to experience simply looking at the language and translating it, I do not see how this can't be extrapolated to most characters of the common language

​@@dakoderii4221I'm not sure where this idea comes from

It would be nuts for Chinese to use English (Romaji) or a syllabary like Hiragana/katakana. CCP wouldn’t have it. They use voice recognition mostly from what I’ve seen

No most of the Japanese people type in hiragana and katakana and then the keyboard converts it into a kanji character if a character for that exists.

@@aajohnsoutube I doubt you even watched the video before commenting.

​@@aajohnsoutubeI've only really seen older people do voice recognition unless it was for like an audio message. Younger people tend to use pinyin (Mandarin) or jyutping (Cantonese) etc, though ive seen others use less common input methods (I believe Taiwanese people often use zhuyin / bopomofo)

​@@ryugakishatu6372Very few Japanese people type in hiragana with a keyboard these days. The romaji based typing with a keyboard is much more popular with young people as internet usage requires Latin based characters.

He also barely mentioned Pinyin. Only at the end of the video, and only after mentioning Wubi for whatever reason. I think the team somehow things Cangjie is the main input system?? (maybe someone at the team uses cangjie or something)

Yes because Id Be Illiterate If I was Asian Lol

Oh, if you grew up with character based languages it is actually easier to convey in written form. Because for example the character "药 " may be pronounced differently in different regions or counties in the Sinosphere back when Kanji was the dominant writing system (China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam etc), most in the city will know that means medicine. Like Japan still has some form of formal Kanji education. So it is still possible for a Chinese person to write a letter in Kanji to a Japanese and able to mostly understand the message being conveyed. In fact, this was exactly what happened when westerners were first introduced to Japan via a Chinese translator. They just wrote kanji in the sand and they are mostly able to understand each other. But yeah, have fun guessing how it is pronounced in the region. But hey, at least back in the times when travelling through the Sinosphere you can write out "大夫" and you're able to tell people you are looking for a doctor even if you have nill knowledge of how to speak the local language.

all people can learn their mother tongue. And it's not big deal

The whole reason the Chinese characters were introduced was to have one common written language that covered hundreds of spoken dialects, allowing people that were unable to understand each other's spoken language to be able to communicate in writing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varieties_of_Chinese

lol🤣

Nope, we rarely use "官話" in Taiwan. We call it "國語" when referring to Mandarin Chinese.

“官话”, aka Mandarin, refers to a larger range of dialects than only Putonghua(普通话). Other than Northern Mandarin (北方官话), which roughly refers to dialects like Beijing dialect, there are also Southwest Mandarin (西南官话) which refers to dialects in Sichuan, Hubei, Guizhou, etc, and there are other Mandarins like Central Plains Mandarin (中原官话).

@@HeisenbergIsHere no

Yeah but the Latin alphabet is easy lol

the 'Yale romanization of Mandarin' is much more logical and easier when trying to pronouce words.

ppl in china literally have to learn english tho

@livod-qg9cy still pretty interesting how to write in chinese you would learn another alphabet

this. I've seen entire companies translated with just the Pinyin transcription which makes the whole thing confusing to non-Chinese speakers.

I LEARN 倉頡 FOR ONE WEEK 我學倉頡用了一星期

you dont specify direction. you just type in the correct combination and you get a character as far as i can tell (i dont use cangjie, i use zhuyin but the only thing on the keyboards are the radicals, and a disambiguation key(for code collisions) which is also used for difficult to decompose parts, and a special character key for typing symbols and stuff)

also cangjie (which is pronounced tsahng-jyeh, not kang-jee) is not even the most common input method. cangjie is mainly only used in hong kong; mainland china uses pinyin (which he mentions... but.. only after wubi); and taiwan uses zhuyin/bopomofo

+Techquikie ICYI canjie is pronounced more like tsang chieh. Riley nailed it when pronouncing the easier "pinyin" though.👌 Also the iphone typing shot is actually using pinyin. The virtual keyboard would display radicals when using canjie and keyboards sold in Mandarin speaking regions also have those canjie and/or bopomofo/wubi radicals printed on keycaps. No, no one start with memorizing the corresponding alphabet for those radicals if anyone is wondering.😅

They should just let Dennis host this episode. Or just pronounce it like Chaang Jeh

Oh, and the input method is not locked to character sets (simplified vs traditional). For instance I can output traditional characters using pinyin input methods and probably the other way around, too (a bopomofo IME or a Cangjie IME output simplified characters).

Even Cantonese, which Canjie doesn't matter simply because all u need to know is how to write, not say. But is gotten better as most OS's now suport voice typing of Cantonese. Source: Native HKer who uses Pinyin AND knows Cantonese/Mandarin

What's the reference?

@@ikbintom it's a spin on "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" by Joseph Campbell.

It can also be used to write Traditional, but In Taiwan, no one uses Cangjie anymore, only some older folks in Hong Kong who only know Cantonese use it.

I have to use it when mine asks for help on the phone and I have to write in Japanese. Everyone in japan uses this "kana input". It's very clunky but I guess if you get used to it you can get fast. Still not as fast as using two thumbs tapping the letters so I installed the regular romaji keyboard and just use it instead for Japanese input.

tbh it's basically a T9 keyboard for Katakana and Hiragana, then use the recommendation system to pick the kanji

@@ryoukaip yeah, and sometimes it's annoying to scroll through several kanji recommendations and not be able to find the needed word so I'd have to open up the dictionary and copy the word from there. Ugh..

This is because it came from the phone with hardware keyword. It is just multiple kana on a number pad input just like old phone there were multiple alphabet on a number key. English input on smart phone change to keyboard like but Japanese input remains like the old number pad input.

@@HaohmaruHL it's better to just write the character themselves 😂

I actually checked out his video as per your comment. I was amazed. He has such a wholesome personality and style. Thanks for helping me discover a new KZfaqr :)

Two main types at least for Simplified Chinese. The most widely used today is Pinyin which is basically “spelling” the pronunciation of each character or word with the English alphabet, like “nihao” is exactly how you type “hello”; the second type is Wubi (only widely used by the older generation), in which each key represents a stroke, and you put the strokes together in certain orders to get the character you want. Both can be used on a regular US keyboard.

And yet this video seems to mislead quite a bit. I lived in China for four years recently, and I'm not sure I ever saw the "Cangjie" system in action. Seems like that system would be logical on things like typewriters, but not in use anymore today. Most people use pinyin inputs via keyboard and select the character (as mentioned at the end of the video), but some use a system that replaces the keyboard with an input to manually write the strokes on their cell phone screen, which does a pretty good job at recognizing the character. I think that's more popular with technologically unsavvy types (think hunt-and-peck typers).

@@Thunderz2016 Wubi is nuts for anyone if they're curious. I used to watch a few classmates use it ages ago so I'm sure it's changed, but blew my mind to see how many actual characters/options it's able to make accessible. On the surface it seems impossible to learn, but it's pretty simple. Now learning Chinese, that's an entirely different beast.

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@@bcquon I believe Cangjie is mostly used in Taiwan, but do correct me if I’m wrong. You are correct that almost nobody in Mainland China uses Cangjie.