I just figured that many of Killua's non-Nen skills were simply genetic. As if he was physically just built differently than most other humans. This specifically applied to his retractable nails, but also his unnatural endurance and speed. Also, each of his assassin techniques sounded like skills that people could perform even without Nen, as long as they developed specifically on their speed and precision. Sure, Nen could explain it all in most normal humans, but Killua and his family are anything but "normal". HIs brothers could have also been seen as sort of "duds" compared to him. Mind you, of course, Togashi never planned on having Nen in the first place, but I don't think the sudden introduction of Nen really changes the parts where there was a lack there of. Now, when it comes to Killua's entire family, I think part of it was that they were... "experimenting" with each of the siblings. See what worked and what didn't. Although, now that I'm thinking about it "outloud" one main reasons why Killua never learned about Nen and Nen Users was in part due to his natural instincts... And Illumi's Needle in his brain. Obviously Nen Users (even low level) are a huge threat to Killua's life. And without being outright told what Nen was, he just simply avoided Nen Users "naturally" (as far as the needle is concerned) and because he never consciously realized what it was he was avoiding, he also never really thought about it being Nen.

Dangit, commented a bit too soon again. (Dragon Dive) Ehem. This would have been the first time that Killua would have actually seen the ability as a Nen ability (assuming that the manifestations of dragons are invisible to non-Nen users). However, regardless of if normal people can see Dragon Dive, Killua wouldn't need to see it to recognize it in less than a second. Killua recognized it by how it FELT, not by what he SAW. Nen is based in Aura afterall and that aura has affects on it's surroundings.

Maybe not being aware of using nen gives you powered abilities that don't really have to directly follows the rules of nen.

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What about Floors 120-199?

That's kinda of a contradiction tho.

@@wadewilson8011 Sort of, but it's not uncommon for people to think they know more than they actually do.

​@@wadewilson8011 If I'm gonna keep it a buck 50, it has been said by Wing that many great skilled people use nen without realizing what it is. We get a second example in Zepile, and Killua and Gon looking for valuable art. So in my opinion, there is no plot hole. Killua was isolated and trained and even if he said he didn't know what Nen was, he could have encountered it without realizing. Most in the hunter exam did not notice Hisoka or Illumi using Nen. It also stands to reason that killua may have heard a detailed description of Dragon Dive and had never seen it in person. Also illumi was in charge of his training and used that needle to control everything killua did, and it could probably affect what information he could put together and Illumi obv wanted to wait til killua was ready to teach him Nen.

@@wadewilson8011 how?

@@wadewilson8011 I don’t see how that’s in anyway a contradiction as he was literally homeschooled with no friends and his parents controlling his life. It’s the whole reason he ran away in the first place

to be honest, the master plan is work. (to know the power of nanika) gon must be dead or dying because of something, and silva tell killua to protect his friend no matter what. Gon already dead twice when facing pitou. first, kilua saved him. second, kilua leave gon alone to face pitou, yes gon win but the cost is too much (gon already dead i think) because kilua failed to save gon, he come back to the family. and ask nanika to help gon. in the meantime silva and the family want to know what the requirements to activate nanika power. and thats what killua do. the rest are history.

I like this idea a lot. It did still kinda work too since Killua returned to save Gon by planning to use Nanika. Man, them Zoldycks are a manipulative bunch tho, even the dad who gave off such a cool vibe, he's no different either 😆 How did Killua turn out so different, maybe we can blame Gon for that lol

You know what gets to me? When I come up to a rebuttal to a point mid video, start typing then the person in the video address that point lol. I think Killua not knowing Nen was 100% due to his father and Illumi’s desire to control him. My theory is that Silva let Killua go under the premise that Illumi’s needle would stay a secret and he’d eventually come back for more training after abandoning Gon or watching him die

​@l123 why did bisky even say that, I doubt she sensed the needle

@@Hargazer I don't think she noticed the needle, but I think she noticed Killua's habit of running away from tough battles.

since the techniques are super minor and provide minimal benefit even at a multiplied energy cost itd be easy for any nen affinity to accomplish it. unique hatsu limited to certain cultural/genetic groups are also well established in the show. the constant torture and pursuit of assassination could also be a nen vow enabling access to normally less efficient affinity skills

I like to think that it's just super human abilities. I mean, we saw non-nen users being able to open the testing gate at the Zoldyck estate. People who train hard are capable of amazing things that do not require aura in the HxH world. It's just that what aura can do overshadows that by a wide margin.

@@Yodah97 lets not forget that creatures that they consider to be normal animals have nin-like non-nin abilities, like the human faced monkeys, or the hypnotic butterflies. Not counting chimera ants since they are from tbe dsrk continent

@@AngelNearDestruction I mean what we understand as "nen" is the Shingen-ryu nen school created by Netero. Which is where everything from the nen affinities to the principles of nen come from. There is definetly room in the story for more raw, unstructured use of aura and nen. Which is likely what a lot of magical beasts use without realizing. Maybe not as full on abilities, but as a bit of extra fuel to allow their bodies to behave in ways that traditional science can't explain. I mean it's crazy to think that Nen as we know it is only as old as Netero is. Who knows how people practiced Nen before that.

@@Yodah97 any1 at the top of there Profession is most likely to have nen the guy that infused his nen into his copy cat art without knowing shows nen is natural to everyone just u can learn or force learn/near through near death experiences

thats my opinion too. its like a self taught street fighter learning of technical classifications for the first time. Killua understood the applications and effects without understanding the structure and organization

I like this

​@@jellybeans336just explained me and fighting games perfectly

I think that what Killua can do is just normal assassin training and the reason he don't know nen is why he didn't want to be an assassin and is a lot more easy to manipulate or keep him if he don't know nen

I always thought it would be Illumi's Needle and some explanation would be given later. Like somehow it repressed memories or something because Killua was too powerful and had to forget Nen or something. But this makes more sense.

The initiation doesn’t happen until floor 200 which Killua never even went to after qualifying. They also sent Gon who couldn’t use Nen straight to floor 50 and Killua who had made it to floor 200 before to floor 180. If someone showed up who could already use Nen they would likely be sent to the high 100s if not floor 200 right away. Plus Nen is kept a secret from the uninitiated so it’s unlikely Killua would have encountered Nen users and even if he did Illumi’s needle and conditioning would make Killua forfeit the fight right at the start

That's a pretty good point! Although, Killua was able to sense Zushi's and Wing's Ren immediately and acted like he'd never seen anything like it before. And surely any fight with a normal Nen user would result in them using Ren at some point.

Killua never fought anyone on the 200th floor as a kid. He told Gon he left the arena and went back home once he was promoted to the 200th, never setting foot in it My guess is his family tried to get him initiated by that timec

Especially with Illumni's Needle in his brain making him instinctually avoid even weak level Nen Users... That's the real reason he never went to the 200th floor. He instinctually knew there were people more powerful than himself up there. However, the "fear" he felt wasn't real, so he never put two and two together until the Chimera Ant Arc where the needle was both discovered and removed.

​​@@manguy01 he didnt act like he hasnt seen it before. in fact he was even more interested to learn about it because HE HAS felt it before with illumi. especially with REN. He was just scared shitless.

@@manguy01 correction, he acted similarly to when Illumi also exerted his ren to him during the hunters exam (minus the freaking out, killing someone, and then leaving without a trace part)

Thank you for this now I don't need the video

This. It was never a plothole, Illumi and Silva simply chose not to teach him until he was older.

@@KaoruMzk It is a plothole because NEN wasn't in Togashi's mind yet at the start of HxH. He added it later as he goes. Not teaching Killua early is just a convenient excuse.

How do you explain his time in the tower then?

Killua was probably beaten into not asking what nen was and how to use it. The same way he didn’t exactly have close friends bc his mom threatened ppl to not go near him.

I think his snake awakens is just Killua dislicating his joints and enhancing them with basic nen to use them as whips

Yeah like, when you make a pencil look bendy by shaking it

yeah, his basics non-nen abilities like pain resistance, poison resistance, electrical afinity, speed, reaction time, bone control (dislocating joints and hand claws), silent walk, after-image clones... they all are way above or on par with what some nen users can do using nen abilities.

She plays a game gud, not blows buildings up lol.

@@extonjonas6820 i mean she plays a game so god an alien brained god couldnt ever win. Thats more impressive than killua tbh

@@davidbousi7845 Maybe technically but to her she is just playing a game better than everyone else. Kilua watching people do things that nobody else can do is completely different. Plus kilua is more that a little bit more perceptive than her

@@davidbousi7845 tbh everyone could do that by making same restriction as her but question is why would you want to make restriction that you die if you lose and probably when use nen for other things.Of course by everyone i meant nen users that know how restrictions works

It makes sense because such cases were explained when Nen was first introduced. IDK what are you all on tbh.

That is a massssive leap to take though lol I mean, yeah…he could just say that’s what it is(or something just as crazy) but that would just prove that nen very obviously was not apart of the series initially. If it were there would be no need to have to do some mental gymnastics in order to make this how thing fit…it would’ve never needed some off the wall explanation because he would’ve accounted for that from the start. It’s forgivable because the nen power system might be the best one in all of anime…it’s incredibly detailed, interesting, powerful, and best of all…it’s very well balanced(to this point at least) so it’s definitely worth having to retcon little things in order to bring the nen system into Hunter X Hunter

@@jordancave3089 is it really a stretch? Why not illumi implanting a command in the needle to recognise hostile aura so he'd either run away or find a way to deal with it, like dragon dive so he can evade it?

Probably Zeno just explained it but Killua believed it was a technique that can learn like the rhythm echo We can see people use nen already in the hunter exam so at least a few basic things were already made Killua also didn't want to be an assassin so this is probably why they didn't teach him nen

You could also explain it with simply not knowing it was nen if killua had seen it before. You see dragon dive and assume it's magic or a weapon, then much later you see it again but now feel the nen and understand what you're seeing.

@@Zithorius if is nen Killua can't see it so that Zeno just explained it is more believable

I like the idea illumi killed any nen user who wuold have faced Killua or threatening them not to use nen against him if they wanted to live. It is in character with illumi and makes sense as to why he never encountered them during those years

Yeah this video essay was missing this key piece that you mentioned about Alluka and Killua's wiped memories. If Illumi can wipe or block memories he can do that with any Nen teaching Killua's received before the needles were set. This all ties very well the plot holes in my humble opinion. Now Dragon Dive and Heaven's Arena makes perfect sense. Is not until Killua removes Illumi's needles that he begins to remember but slowly. He doesn't appear to gain instant knowledge of everything he had forgotten. Similar like Meruem post-Rose he was remembering as he was seeing or hearing things. Killua was slowly but surely starting to remember shit that he was told or witnessed when he was a child. Zeno's Dragon Dive, maybe he saw engravings or he listened explanations and actually saw it in action but he didn't know what it was back then (like he "felt" the attack, and witnessed the devastation of the attack, but he didn't saw anything as non-Nen user would).

@@Afreshio the thing is that Nen-based attacks open Aura Nodes. The only way they would still be closed at the start of the series is if they'd been forcibly closed. Considering that Killua is the only individual we've seen this type of needle used on, I'd say that Illumi probably came up with a needle that could wipe memories, close Aura Nodes, and control the target's mind on the conditions that the needle was only ever used on Killua and couldn't control him completely if his Aura Nodes were ever opened again. Illumi wouldn't risk killing a defenseless Killua, so Killua probably had open Aura Nodes prior to the insertion of the needle.

Or Togashi just wasn’t paying attention

@@sprawlz6466 that doesn’t really add anything new to the discussion.

That's a really good point... Although, if he really did want Killua to learn nen, he could have forced him to stay even after the 200th floor or taught him nen himself...

@@MarieJade4ever yeah but killua wouldve died if he kept trying n 200 at age 6

Reach just means qualify, if Killua had fought on the 200th floor and won then that would mean he reached floor 201 which isn’t what Silva told him to do. Illumi also used Nen as part of Killua’s conditioning to prevent him from going up against opponents who could use it so Silva would know that if Killua did go up to floor 200 then he would flee once someone started using malicious aura and come straight home

@@kori612 Maybe. We just don't know this for sure. Maybe he would have had to learn nen and would have succeeded. There is no actual way to tell.

I don’t think he’s ever seen Dragons Dive before but he’s definitely felt it before or at least heard about it.

@@LuisRivera yeah when I said saw I meant zeno used it in front of him. Not like can see it.

Kurapika couldn't see nen until he learned nen himself

@@jajinx2 to be fair it wasn't a giant lightning dragon. Like can regular see the one lady's vacuum or the one guy's finger guns? I imagine they probably can

(Head)Canon*, unless you're talking about suicide for some reason

Hahaha I mean if some guy can have chainsaw hands, why can't I have a cannon head?

I mean didn't illumi needle make kil forget about alluka and nanika? Isn't that enough proof of wiping out memories?

even if he doesn’t get his nen back this man was still superhuman without it lmfao

Agree. I just want to see them be kids together

Their hair doesn’t have anything to do with them leading the family. The reason Killua was chosen to become the head of the family was because he was the most talented and had the most potential to become a great assassin compared to his siblings.

I still don't understand why Kalluto learned Nen much earlier than Killua. Kalluto didn't even take the hunter exam, Also, it can be assumed that Kalluto [at her age] is a more advanced nen user. LoL. Remember, during the Chimera Ant Arc, she was already able to beat a not-so-weak Chimera ant. But when Killua was the age of Kalluto, He could not even kill any enemy that uses nen. Talk about inconsistencies. LOL

In the latest chapter where Machi unconsciously using Gyo when she was a child solves this problem.

Yeah that’s what I thought, he probably recognized his grandfather’s aura and thought “Wait this is gramp’s move” not as a statement but more of a surprised question

Yes i believe this as well. Which is why thid plot hole doesnt bother me too much.

He was able to recognize the thing Zushi did was similar to what Illumi does to him even when he didn't know Nen, so it's not farfetched for him to recognize it due to the feeling of the aura alone.

Yeah. If I remember it correctly, Killua mentioned that Silva could also transform his hand but even better. With Ging’s abilities as an exception, the expression of Nen is very individual/personal. That Killua would copy a specific Nen ability from his father could happen, but I don’t think it fits imo. It just feels more natural to assume that “assassin techiques” etc are not Nen at all.

When did they introduce magic in HxH? Also, I don't think the animals are magical because in a lot of other anime the animals have special abilities and it also not magic. It explained as just something that the animal can do.

@@gadaddo4794 like second episode / maybe forth chapter or so

@@gadaddo4794 they are literally called Magical Beasts though

@@MalkuthSephira hmm, maybe I need to rewatch the series.

Hisokas first kill was just stupied censor. And the way he was vanishing was just supposed to show his speed and this wasnt in the manga

I think the needle has the ability related to memory bcuz he also forgot about alluka.

sleep is for the weak

That's exactly what I thought. Killua ran away from home without nen. If he had godspeed early on... they never would have seen that child again.

I don't understand some people's obsession with making excuses for Togashi. He either didn't think about the nen system until he was well into the series or he didn't think about the plot hole that it created by introducing it later in the story concerning Killua. I still love Hunter x Hunter despite this plot hole.

Even if killua were unconsciously using nen, wing would have noticed and wouldn't have had to forcefully open his pores with nen

@@BeardFaceSuper yeah it’s cope I’m not serious

@@jonathanard7885 this is very true

Dragon Daifu, huh...

This makes a lot of sense he already knew how to use Nen because of his abilities but doesn't know he's using it, it also explains why he learns Nen so fast

As an addendum, Gon literally was his freeing light and why Killua said he was too bright to look at sometimes in the Chimera ark before the needle was removed. Their friendship broke him free from Illumis control. Which is why I think his Father let him go, because he knew that would be a way of freeing Killua from Illumi's control. An inner mission probably with him and zeno vs Illumi. As they knew that with illumi's character being the way he is he wouldn't relinquish control of him and that's why he made Killua promise to never abandon his friends to guarantee it happening.

Also had another thought I think Illumi hired Hisoka to help him keep Killua safe during hunter exam and that was mostly the reason they were both there as Illumi must've been following killua his needle acting as En. As they were friends back then and had phones to talk to each other.

I think the issue some people have is that this “plot hole” is very easily explained without any leaps of faith. Sometimes this whole “Togashi makes it all up as he goes” theory is vastly over exaggerated to the point where people point to plot holes that don’t exist because they are primed to believe that he hadn’t planned anything. Illumi established early on that he and Silva were preventing Killua from learning certain things until he was ready and that the whole family was worried what he’d do when he grew into his power because his potential is so high. They are both extremely capable assassins and could pull this ‘censorship of the topic of nen’ off easily. Nen in the HxH universe is ALREADY supposed to be a tightly gaurded secret by those who use it. It is widely considered too dangerous to be shared with the general public so everyone around Kailua even strangers in public settings would be trying to hide nen from Killua by default and probably even more so when they realize that he’s already so deadly even without it, they likely think it would be a huge risk to teach it to such a monster of innate combat potential. (Many times in the series is this consideration made about the risk of the wrong person learning about nen) Killua grew up with Alluka and Nanika, so fantastic magical powers were not that unusual for him to see and he easily could have witnessed plenty of nen from his family without having a word for it yet as it literally establishes that he had seen Illumi use nen before and didn’t have a word for it until he recognized Zushi using the same thing and had Wing explain it. His assassin abilities can be explained by two things, either 1 they are not nen related (just like many other unnatural physical and magical talents are in HxH) or 2 they are natural nen talents like Komugis nen. (Komugi is a proficient user despite not even knowing the word) Killua was known to have the most potential possibly in his whole lineage so this is an easy one to believe. The heavens arena problem is easily solved by realizing that Killua, again, was super accustomed to people with strange inexplicable powers and techniques growing up and so wouldn’t have made a big fuss about seeing new ones (just because he didn’t know the word nen doesn’t mean he hadn’t seen it before). The dragon dive “plot hole” is maybe the worst one. Just because he didn’t know it was nen when he saw Zeno do it before doesn’t mean he couldnt sense the amount of aura that was there (like he could sense Illumis aura before knowing nen) or that he couldn’t see the destruction caused by it. Or even just have been told about it without someone mentioning it was nen (remember Killua would be super accustomed to fantastic abilities with no explanation from his early childhood). Now that Killua does know nen, he can recognize that this ability Zeno has is nen-based and recognized the same aura he felt or the same style of damage (pretty unique/recognizable to have a carpet bomb for an assassin technique).

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it looked like the usual martial art stuff you would see in other shows

People forget hxh world has super human characters even without nen. Gon climbing the world tree thats like 2x the burj khalifa without nen was crazy. I can imagine they're also capable of other superhuman techniques like rhythm echo that don't require nen