Honestly! Less flashy sword swings and more of just two men trying to kill each other

Yeah... it's not realistic.... there are a lot of problems with how they fight considering their armors... I mean compared to other movies I think it's half decent

@@alexthepunk84 care to elaborate on why you say this isn’t the closest to realism?

@@Jknight416 @JohnKnight416 sure, no problem. I just wanna say first that I'm just a combat, armor and weapon enthusiast and a practioner as well. What bothers me with this scene is : 1 - They fight with sword while wearing plate armor (I mean this has been done in history for duels so that's okay, just not the most efficient weapon against an armored opponent) 2 - They use cutting techniques with these swords. Why? A sword wont cut through steel and padding so basically every cut that they do is only a loss of energy (also they seem to wildly flail their swords at each cut) 3 - Why would you punch an opponent on the ground while he his at your mercy ? Not only it is not efficient but it might hurt your hand also (there is generally a lot less padding if any on the hand protections). There are a lot of other things that you can actually do instead (especially when you still have your sword in your hands, you just won the duel basically). 4 - The blade geometry of these swords are odd for this time period (the point is broader and has almost like angles which isn't something contemporary) Also the guy with the decorated cuirasse has the mail of his sallet hanging way too low leaving an opening to his throat, pretty dangerous. Also they don't have any protection for the back of their upper legs which is quite dangerous to say the least. How they should have done the fight to look more realistic : - Use thrusts instead of cuts, grab your sword with a hand on the handle, a hand on the blade (almost like a spear, this is called "half swording"), attack the articulations and the gaps of the armor, while using your sword to block or deviate thrusts from your opponent. - If you opponent is down, don't punch him, take your dagger and finish him by opening his visor for example of jamming it in one of the gaps of the armour. - Use an appropriate sword (with an oakeshott type XV blade for example) I hope I showed you the unrealistic points about this scene (who tries its best to be realistic still)

@@Jknight416 here is a video explaining the points that I made : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i5p5m9Jiv5yWZas.html

Which is why it's kinda stupid they try go for cuts instead of wrestling and using the dagger from the get go

Better off with Maces, hammers and daggers.

Axes or maces would have been a much better choice. I personally like axes because of the extra weight, the cutting edge, as well as the typical blunt end on the backside

Not like they actually hit each other besides that hilt hit towards the end.

@@Giggle971 because higher chance of death, back then they usually tried to give them trauma on parts of the body and then kill them

You fight when the necessity arises

ACHILLES

Carolus Rex The last King who fought in battle

@@Madjo-qj2ge I was chosen by heaven say my name when pray to the skies see carolus rise!!

lol

@@Madjo-qj2ge Frederick the Great? George II?

Just wish they would have kept it standing for longer like in Zweihander I dont think a knight would be so quick to discard his sword, but a great scene none the less

@@esg3451 they're young and inexperienced though and full of emotion, I like how it portrayed that, as well as the adrenaline dump making them knackering in just a few minutes, when I used to box I'd get the same thing in the first round and feel fucked even though I could easily do 3 3 minute rounds in sparring.

@@rentalsnake6542 I hear that

Medieval style mixed martial arts involving full armor, contact weapons, and period-correct duel codes are actually very popular in many countries, particularly USA, Russia, and Japan. Participants don real armor and beat the crap out of each other with real swords and battle axes. And yes, participants get injured too. It is not for the weak stomach. Contests often end with authentic medieval cuisine and feasts. I recommend anyone interested to check them out. The Japanese events are particularly fun, as you got knights battling samurai and the festivities include both European and Japanese food and art and culture.

I've read that too. Plenty of fights did come down to pinning your opponent on the ground and methodically cutting his neck. The armor by this time was almost too good for a sword to do the job.

Ya Hya Chouhada.

It's a rondel daggar.

not a crysknife

Mua’Dib! Mua’Dib! Mua’Dib!

@@lanceleader163 My planet Arrakis is so beautiful when the sun is low. You can see spice in the air, drifting over the sands.

He isn't French he was brown in NYC. He is literally American.

@@nothing-oj1szFrench heritage

​@@nothing-oj1szhis Dad is French and I believe he carries dual-citizenship. Timothee is a little French alright

hah that is interesting

Many people DO know what it is to exert yourself like that. Most boxers, for one thing. In our Dojo, we had "stations" spread down the hall. At the word of command, we would each take station, then sensei would say either "Right" or "Left" and then "begin" And we would make running passes from station to station up and back down the hall, and keep it up till someone tripped and fell from exhaustion. Sometimes you would have 20 attacks, sometimes more.

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 most people dont train bro

@@logankowalyk2580 He didn't say "most people" buddy. He didn't even say "Many people", sport. He said "people have NO IDEA what it's like to" and that is just asinine. ( If that last word confuses you, go look in a mirror )

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 bro you good?

@@uncletiggermclaren7592 OP made a general statement regarding peoples' lack of knowledge of fitness, and you got offended and tried to brag about your martial arts training. You ok?

didn’t even notice that, thought he was just going for a double leg but that’s a cool detail

It's not though, it makes no sense. There's no armor there to protect his hamstrings or his femoral artery. Going for the grapple is pure idiocy at that point. There's no chainmail, because it would have been worn between the metal plates and the cloth gambeson, and there's none present on the backside of his suit, so all Henry had to do there was draw his sword across the legs, cutting his hamstrings rendering him unable to stand as he cannot support his weight, and potentially cutting deep enough to nick or rupture his opponent's femoral artery. The fight should have ended at 1:17 because of this move, but because "muh gritty medieval everyone punches everyone because they're all dumb" it continues.

@@Polarisk2106 It doesn't look like it would have been that easy, anatomically or practically. How _sharp_ do you think either of those swords are? The main cutting power from those types of swords required swinging them, and letting their weight carry to lop parts off or chop into bodies. Now we have to look at how he was being beaten and struggling to maintain that hold, I don't see him shimmying back and forth with his arms while major blows come down on him. Now, he should have pulled the other dude's dagger after he took him down the first time and ended it there, if he saw it.

It's really basic actually lol.

The duel itself? Yes The movie? Except for the year and place the battle took place, historical accuracy is terrible

@@sachoune3416 fool; it’s based off the play by Shakespeare, it’s mean to be accurate to the PLAY not history

@@Bornst3ll3r I was answering to guy who spoke about the realism of the movie, I know what it's based on

@@sachoune3416 Not even the duel is all realistic. They really should be halfswording with those swords and better yet, using polearms. The only good part is when they tussle on the ground and henry stabs percy with his dagger. The armor in this movie looks like grandpa joes buttcheeks. Forgive me, they do halfsword but for a second and then thats it.

@@tannerthepanman9202 I get what you mean What I meant to say is that it is at least a little bit more realistic than in most movies

except in reality they'd be using polearms, not swords, because as this fight depicts quite well, swords are essentially useless against plate armour unless you go through the gaps. grab a warhammer with a spiked tip and smack and stab your enemy!

Both of you are wrong lmao. This duel is not realistic at all and no, a duel between two knights would not have used polearms. And no, swords are not "useless" against plate; they are just applied differently.

@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 and what makes you an expert on this?

@Timothy House If you had even bothered to do any research on the subject you'd realize my comment was true and you could have spared yourself the 2 seconds you used to make this comment.

@@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 Your taking this to seriously - I think it’s safe to say duels, not all duels but some looked like this during that time period.

I Seriously recommend the movie, it's more political than action packed but that's why I loved it. Not to mention the fight scenes are brilliant because they're not full of explosions and graceful sword fights. It's a dog pile and a mess but with strategy. More realism than anything. I highly suggest you watch it.

You have to watch it. It’s a must. Especially in this barren wasteland of shit films. Also if you did let us know how it was for you

@@Cerabratesama yeah it was good but nothing on par with this. Something bout the cinematography in this one was so realistic almost even horror like

If you are expecting an accurate depiction of the Battle of Agincourt, you are going to be disappointed. It's not a bad battle sequence it's just not accurate.

@jasonscottjenkins I agree, there were some movie tropes I didn't like. I'm kind of over seeing archers shoot directly into the air to be honest. The movie wasn't bad, and it had some really strong points; However it did fall flat.

So much realistic that one of the protagonist wasn t even here in the real History and their mail chain werent even covering their neck correctly....easy to stab under the chin 😂😂😂😂

That must have been so heavy fighting and moving around in all that plate armor. Not surprised they got exhausted so quickly.

Lances used in tournaments after the 1450s are pre-broken. They are designed to break upon impact and shatter into thousands of pieces for theatrical effect. By the 1450s, the "Attitude Era" of chivalric tournaments was over and kings and nobles started placing more emphasis on making sure participants don't die or get too seriously injured.

@@BlueSkyCountry And typically you'd rather them yield or wound for ransom later

Henry V

Who's Edward? This is a dual between Henry V and Henry 'Hotspur' Percy (although it never actually happened irl).

@@albuseisenhorn3385 You wouldn't really kidnap another participant and hold them for ransom though...

wastrel

Before this the guy took a fuckin' arrow straight to the side of the head. On top of that he had to go through absolutely horrific surgery. Bro definitely had his share of war before he was king.

Hungary?

@@lionelhutz5137 Yup

So, did you saw the BTS of this scene?

i hate it when in movies or series a hit with a sword is basicly instakill for every guy in full armor. Like its a fking lasersword or something. Jesus christ does people know how fking solid hardened leather is???

Lol, it's way less deep than that. Swords are literally made for thrusting lmfao, it's just Hollywood fucked up every sword fight ever by making it theatrical and having them do big, dramatical slashing.

​@@ZZubZZeroNot only for thrusting. If it was their sole purpose, they wouldn't have sharp sides would they? A spear is made for thrusting, sword is both a thrusting and slashing weapon - the second form od fighting comes handy when controlling unarmed peasants with forks

@@graullas8981 I never said "only" or "sole purpose"

Agreed! I studied the Longsword for over 3 years under the Ringeck and Liechtenauer schoolbooks with an ARMA master, so knowing a little about the techniques always makes me super critical of flashy movie-moves where they treat Longswords like lightsabers. If you watch carefully at the strike you're referencing at 2:21, you can see him use half-sword with his grip on the _Starcke_ of the blade (the area just above the _Ricasso_ ) to align the sword's thrust axis with the visor, very accurate choreography!

Are you sure it’s not a rondel?

@@terriblycharismaticduck2717 Could be. They are very similar in general profile. Rondels resemble one of those early muzzle bayonets and some were actually made to function as bayonets for the early arquebusses too. Shove the handle into the barrel after firing your one shot and now you got a pike. Poniards are essentially mini-swords. Sword like handles, crossguards, and hilts. In a duel, you'd be a little better off with a poniard as you can use the crossguard to catch and deflect your opponent's blade. They make awesome letter openers as well for a gentleman who wants to be extra classy. Both existed alongside each other and were used by everyone from peasant to king. In the USA, frontiersmen of Scot and Welsh heritage took the poniard to another level and introduced a type of hunting knife called the Arkansas Toothpick, which was one of the most popular big knives carried by tough men in the Old West right up to the Prohibition era...

He got the dagger off one of the men in line

It's a Rondel, it was also used by the English at Agincourt. Poniard was not invented for another 100 years after the hundred years war.

Could also be a misericorde, although they're usually attributed to French soldiers.

seen him in dune. amazing. now about to watch this movie

Yeah so badass he shit himself to death lmfao

It wasn't a historical movie though, it was based on Shakespeare's play.

@@mrkiky Whatever artistic liberties were taken, the Battle of Agincourt did indeed happen with Henry V fighting in the battle.

Was he the one that killed the wifes?

sides Sandor beating the shit out of the Lannister men in that Inn

​@@rear9259 idk about that but i really enjoyed the choreography and realism in the fight with Brienne which happened only on the show, very brutal as well

Really, alright we will make another

Lies, Lancelot’s attack on Swamp Castle was just on point….

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pq-fmsSqqdLenYU.html Here's the scene where he said the line.

More like love making

It was so badass

Yeah the low hum really makes it tense and sinister. Nothing loud or over the top.

I hate camera cuts, if John Wick and this movie can make long take scenes the others dont have excuses.

Only who were able to buy a plate armor.

What the last duel, its ending fight is on the same level if not better.

@@andrewlechner6343 no

@@draco_1876 yes

@@pavan_kumar556 no

Aegon II to be specific. Great actor.

@@scorpioj3 Who's an absolute bastard. He nailed it though.

You speak the Truth.

Yea and he Percy was much older than the future King Henry V, but people don't realize this movie is not based on history, it's based on Shakespeare's play. Shakespeare is the one who made them have a duel, and made them around the same age as well.

Who killed Hotspur? Wasn't he able to fight back?

@@lonewolfshay7712 No one really knows, some say it was some random fighter, other accounts attest to it being an arrow nailing him in the face when he raised his visor for a better view.

@@imotekh6110 Well, that sucks lol

I have watched it again and again! What a story! And I love when he gets the backstabbers!

Is there like a marker in that place

@@noarvd8236 the whole area is called Battlefield. There’s a small museum and other stuff there.

Yea of course it's entirely fictional. It's based on Shakespeare's writings.

and eyeslits...

It would do well

The Outlaw King was a good one too

@@bh7742that one was good too!

Please no they are historically inacurate

Same as the crew of a modern battle tank taking repeated hits from mortars or rockets that do not penetrate. The noise and concussion of the blasts can be disorienting enough if kept up as to disable the crew and force a retreat.

The goal is to hit the hard part of your head on the soft part of theirs for a headbutt. Strikes would most likely hurt your hand but the tradeoff is that it would cause more damage to the opponent's head.

they wore somthgin called a coif to lighten the damage to the head. without it, they'd get knocked out with a relatively low force. still probably hurt af

There are accounts of knights being killed by a heavy sword blow to the head, not because it actually penetrated, but because it dented their helmet so much it knocked them unconscious and fractured their skull.

The helmet has padding inside, it's not metal directly on your head, or directly on the chainmail.

in that scene it wasnt a poniard though. 2:56 you can get a clear pause on the dagger after the stab. Poniards are more metal "stakes" than anything. In that scene you can clearly see a simple dagger with a double-sided and rather thick blade.

@@DuwMinh gotcha! Thanks for the updated info 👍😀

A mace duel ngl i would likke to see that

They would start off with swords because swords were a "gentleman's weapon", and duelists above all had to show that they were noble gentlemen. However, many dueling sites had various other weapons available on the side, or held by the squires who accompanied the fighters. As the duel progressed, the fighters may lose or ditch their swords and then go pick up a spear or battle-axe and continue the fight.

Its hard for the sword to penetrate the armor but it can still work some blunt damage which is significant if you need to soften up your opponent.

A sword is a lot faster, more agile, durable, and being longer has a lot more leverage in the bind. A single handed mace or axe would be a very unusual weapon in a duel, and at a big disadvantage unless the one wielding it was particularly good with one. There's a reason why all the dueling textbooks of the time assume either a longsword or a polearm.

@@Philweasel not to mention how you can hold the blade and attack with the handle and the guard

Full suit of medieval armor would have weighed about 50 lbs.

@@therelianceschool I'm using hyperbole to insult his thin frame. It's known colloquially as a "dis". It's a thing people did online before the mass castrations and lobotomizations of the 2010s

​@@Dontlicktheballoonshenry the fifth was very tall and skinny

@@Dontlicktheballoons People also used to actually be clever then. Unlike this piss poor comment which just sounds like an old man complaining in his recliner at the TV

Most men back then were thin, no steroids, hormones or huge steak dinners in the 15th century

He was only like 14-15 when doing all of this so coming off as unassuming would probably be sort of accurate to the real deal from the perspective of a modern audience.

@@ColonelBragg I think 14 yrs back then doesn't equal 14 yrs now. Ppl could easily die in their 30s, so they didn't have time to remain kids up to their 30s as it happens now.

At. Age 15 Henry took a Longbow arrow to the face snapped it and kept fighting but in reality the majority of henry the 5th army was longbow men every able body male from 11 to 50 was giving a longbow at 11 at 9 they had to hold to nd to build up strength but every Sunday they training at the bits we still called them that in the British army, in reality the English were ruthless killers ,

Let's go Brandon

That's because these two dinguses didn't think to bring a mace or a warhammer. William Marshall, the greatest tourney knight in the history of England, never used a sword. That right there should tell you something.

Yes haha

kind of different

most action movies have this type of scene

This is 100% the case. Ever play fight with someone? Its exhausting so you can imagine giving it your all in a life or death fight. You would be gased with in 2-3 minutes. Of course strength and skill are important but in the end it was who had the best endurance that would typically win a fight.

And tommen there.

It's to start out halfswording and go for a dagger as soon you're able if it goes to ground, both weapons get locked up/there's an inconclusive mutual grapple or you find yourself disarmed in rough order of preference You're right that there's very little use swinging a sword at an armoured man, for the quickest and easiest win you would hope to win a bind at halfsword by working the point of your sword basically as you would a dagger into the visor, armpit, inside elbow etc and failing that strike with the pommel and/or go for a grapple to either disarm or throw your opponent. Combining armour and halfsword you have a strong advantage over a man just in armour with a dagger as you essential have a dagger of your own in your left hand, a hammer in your right and a defensive bar between. They would have started the fight like that instead of at the end as seen after retrieving their dropped swords here. I think a less dramatic/more "realistic" version of the fight would have ended at the grapple following 1:11, King Henry comes under his sword for a nice arm wrap which likely would have lead to a disarm or throw and hotspurs counter grapple above his head isn't as strong, headbutts are a thing people try but they don't usually achieve anything and I would expect the guy with the better grip to tip the scales heavily in his favour. Just personal experience in HEMA with some reenactment armoured fighting

The King vs the Emperor

No

@@Ezio999Auditore Okay armchair warrior

@@MrJustonemorevoice it really isn't. A battle can go on for a few hours, although if you are wearing full plate you are most likely mounted, which makes it easier. But if your horse is killed, well, you gotta fight in that for quite a bit longer than 60 seconds

It's a long time to fight anyway lol, adrenaline dump is no joke, when I used to box I'd be absolutely fucked during the first round until I got a rest.

@@rentalsnake6542 Tell that to the internet tough guy up there who's claiming it was normal to fight continuously for hours.