The King of Budget CNC? | Sainsmart Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 CNC Router Review (with Aluminium test)

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Sainsmart Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 Review and Test (Aluminium, Acrylic)
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Today I'm going to be looking at the Genmitsu ProverXL 4030 cnc router. Now I reviewed the 4030’s smaller sibling, the Prover 3018 over a year ago and I’ll leave a link to that video in case you’re curious. Now in the interest of full disclosure, Sainsmart did send me this machine to review; but they are not paying me for this review and have no input on what I say about the machine.The ProverXL 4030 came packaged in a large box with all the parts pretty well padded for the most part. More about the packaging later in the video. Now, Sainsmart markets this as an “easy to set up machine”. And honestly that is a real stretch. The Prover XL 4030 took me almost 5 hours to assemble and required a lot of patience to assemble. This isn’t a plug-n-play machine; be prepared to invest the time to get it running. The manual isn’t all that well written and mis-states certain details or doesn’t provide enough clarity on others. The most glaring example was the part that describes the wiring of the spindle. The manual states that there is no specific polarity for wiring the spindle motor. And yet the connectors on the spindle and the wiring looms are color-coded to assure proper connection. This isn’t a dealbreaker, but just something Sainsmart needs to work to improve. A few more pointers when assembling the machine. When attaching the x-axis drag chain to the frame, be very patient and careful when threading in the two screws, as there’s very little space to work with. You don’t want to end up damaging the threads by cross threading the screws. Again, another design issue Sainsmart can work on. Also, the wiring from the x-axis limit switches interferes with the screws that attach the mounting plate to the frame. I found that to be pretty sloppy design work and should just get fixed. There’s just no excuse for this. Another thing to consider when assembling the machine is the table or surface it will sit on. I recommend a table that’s at least 48 inches wide by 24 inches deep. This will give you enough space to accommodate the machine and control unit. You also want to make sure the table is extremely sturdy and can handle the vibration when the machine is working. I’ll leave a few table options in the description below the video, in case you need a sturdy table.

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@menons679 2 жыл бұрын

A very clear description and demonstration. Thanks.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jeffrogers5136 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent review and commentary! Seems like a solid DIY project tool.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yes, it’s definitely a good DIY or prosumer machine

@DuncsWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your review. Just a point of clarification. You say that the ER11 collet can only handle bits of 1/8" in diameter (min 5:10). In fact the ER11 collet system has 13 collet size options from 1mm to 7mm in 0.5mm increments. My biggest cutter is a 25mm face mill on a 6mm shank. (for spoilboard flattening)

@dgnmkt Жыл бұрын

Excellent review. Very informative and well presented. Really appreciated your recommendations and examples.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

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@crushvapor1147 2 жыл бұрын

Great review, informative commentary, very believable thank you.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

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@jacobzehel5543 Жыл бұрын

Your reviews are very in depth and in tune, which for a consumer like myself is amazing!! You covered everything!! I mean everything!! Thank you for your honesty and expertise! One question: is the price worth it??

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. I think it is worth it for a hobbyist or someone building prototypes. For anyone else I would recommend other models

@DaveGatton 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for for honest review. 👍🏻

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome. Thanks for the comment.

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 2 жыл бұрын

5 hours. HA. I have had my stepcraft d840 and official enclosure for 2 years and I am still not done building it or able to use it yet. The machine itself took me about 4 or 5 days to build & is awesome. The enclosure is a monster to try to assemble. It is an awesome machine. It is mostly my own fault and pandemic BS that caused my own delays. I am looking or a smaller machine so I can continue working on the stepcraft & only want to use that for large jobs because maintenance is a consideration as well (keeping things clean)

@alsaffarstudios Жыл бұрын

We’ll explained review. Thanks for sharing this video with us 🙏🏼

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

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@GabbyMoore13 Жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thank you.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

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@joehenthompson2023 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you for the review.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

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@ComgrowOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for your useful video👍👍👍

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment

@cf3213 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, Thank you!

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

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@cosmopswebelf 7 ай бұрын

Nice! Very useful video! but why imperial units? I have to watch with a notepad, pencil and calculator.

@genixia 2 жыл бұрын

Try a 2-flute cutter on aluminium. That machine doesn't have the power or rigidity to push a 4-flute cutter fast enough to cut a decent chip. You might even want to try a 1-flute cutter on it. Speeds and feeds are critical - you need to feed fast enough that the cutting edges take a new clean cut each revolution. If your feed is too slow relative to revolution speed then the cutter ends up re-cutting the same chip multiple times. That causes heat-build up, poor cutter life, and poor surface finishes. With fast, low-torque spindles you need to feed fast - but here you don't have the power or rigidity to do that. Halving the number of flutes halves the cutting forces and thus the power and rigidity needed.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. But despite the number of flutes, routers built on a aluminum frame do not have the rigidity to handle precision cuts in metal. However, the dewalt router gives it a better shot at cutting the aluminum cleaner and reduces the vibration rippling through the machine.

@JohnHoranzy 2 жыл бұрын

@@Reviewlamp These do have the rigidity to cut aluminum if you calculate proper speeds, feeds, flute count and spindle power but nobody wants to do the math. Everyone just copies what everyone else does and says even if the information is wrong. Just think ow nice that aluminum cut would have been with a 2 flute bit.

@mikejackson9585 Жыл бұрын

+1 on the single flute cutter as well getting a 1/4 inch collet insert and end mill. The machine is plenty rigid for those feeds and speeds, but I feel like 3.175 end mills deflect a little too much for aluminum when loaded like that.

@wendelclement Жыл бұрын

I own one and your review is spot on!

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

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@seanvassar1117 11 ай бұрын

Why is the 4030, $400 more than the 4040?

@eluder25rs 7 ай бұрын

Great review, thanks

@Reviewlamp 7 ай бұрын

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@Festivejelly 11 ай бұрын

The V2 I think is deffo a game changer with the ball screws and closed loop steppers.

@Reviewlamp 10 ай бұрын

That machine does look very interesting.

@CaliforniaMist Жыл бұрын

Super helpful video

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment

@the_edge_of_time 7 ай бұрын

Very well done. Thank you!

@Reviewlamp 6 ай бұрын

You’re welcome. Please subscribe to my channel

@the_edge_of_time 6 ай бұрын

@@Reviewlamp Did and Done

@user-tw2kr6hg4r Жыл бұрын

er-11 supports shaft diameters up to 7mm

@iancrossley6637 2 жыл бұрын

For aluminum cutting try using a water based cutting fluid like Kool Mist. You will get better results.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. But cutting fluids are not something I would recommend on a machine that isn’t rated to be waterproof and even has an MDF spoilboard. Maybe with some upgrades that may be possible.

@websurfer48 Жыл бұрын

Great video review. I've never used CNC machine but I'm thinking of purchasing this for my wood working hobby. I have a couple of questions: 1) could I use my Makita palm router instead of purchasing the DeWalt noted? 2) What software do you recommend for a beginner? 3) I've seen mention in some reviews about spoil board sag being an issue with this machine. Have you had the same issue?

@Reviewlamp 11 ай бұрын

1) You can use your Makita router but you would have to fabricate a custom mount for it to fit this CNC machine. 2) As far as software, I recommend using Fusion 360 for the design work and inventables to interface with the machine. 3) Spoilboard sag isn’t something I have experienced with this machine.

@JacobGolds 5 ай бұрын

Hello. Would you know if I'm upgrading to the 1000 x 1000 extension would i have an option for a bigger 4-axis rotary module? I don't have any cnc machine yet I'm just looking into buying one.

@OzSteve Жыл бұрын

How do you connect the Dewalt router? Any video of that? Great review, thanks

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. To connect the Dewalt router, you have to use the provided mount. But speed control and power of the spindle will be manual.

@OzSteve Жыл бұрын

@@Reviewlamp great thank you

@Franfran722 Жыл бұрын

Hi ! Great video, thank you. But, can you add a little text when you use imperial units to indicate the metric equivalent. Because, I have absolutely no mental representation of inches… and I a sure that I am not the only one. (Just for the great dimensions, for end mills it is not necessary) Thank you !

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion. Will certainly incorporate that next time. Please subscribe

@waynehawkins654 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. Question? If one buys the laser. Does the Sofware that comes with it allow you to managed the power level of the laser so one can control how much you want to burn. EG a power level that only burns tracks for a PCB board, or control the laser level to the point it cuts a PCB?

@Reviewlamp 5 ай бұрын

I doubt the laser module has enough power to cut a pcb. The best it can manage is mark a pcb

@braydenmccracken9617 3 ай бұрын

Hey guys, I have a PROVerXL 4030 and I’m running UGS as my G-code sender. I’m keep getting an error code of “(Alarm 1) hard limit has been triggered.” But it happens when in the middle of a project when my spindle isn’t anywhere needs any of the limit switches. Anyone have experiences with this?

@innovativelightingaustrali1021 Жыл бұрын

Great review!! I need a machine with a 500mm high gantry. I need to machine the side of an enclosure that is 400mm x 410mm. Any tips will be appreciated!

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

There is no machine in the low budget range that has that much Z travel. You would have to upgrade to a more professional grade machine

@rpals5412 8 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for the review! Do you by any chance know if the extra spindle mount also works with makita RT700CX2J router? In shape it looks very identical to the dewalt router.

@Reviewlamp 8 ай бұрын

I haven’t tried it with that router unfortunately. The link to the recommended router is right below the video

@joeking433 Ай бұрын

You can't use the Makita router?

@andrewbarney5503 2 жыл бұрын

2 flute or 1 flute cutter would be better for aluminum. But, this machine is pushing the limit with metal. Still, good honest review.

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

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@flaviuspitigoi4406 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video! It really helps me. I want to buy one CNC machine and use it in my apartment. So, my worries....the noise, the volume sound of this machine. Do I will disturb my neighbors? If I will use it around 2-3 hours per day... Thank you!

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

It is a bit loud, but you might want to build an enclosure and use a sturdy table like this to minimize vibration: amzn.to/3jqXWDC

@flaviuspitigoi4406 Жыл бұрын

@@Reviewlamp Thank you!

@stanbunicu 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. I am thinking about buying this machine and i was wondering if you know or if you tried, what is the thickest piece of wood you can cut with a straight router bit. I hope you can give me some light about the matter. Thank you! (Ps. I want to cut wood about 50 to 60 millimeters, and what kind of bit should I use!) :) Hope to hear your opinion!

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

It will cut wood 50-60mm in thickness, but it will take several passes to complete the cut. I recommend using end mills like this: amzn.to/3D3P1O3

@drako6165 Жыл бұрын

@@Reviewlamp how much will it cut with aluminum using the DeWalt router

@ladronefpv4484 Жыл бұрын

Great review. Dude, could you cut a 6mm high plate of carbon fiber?

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Yes. You could, but you would need a end mill like this: amzn.to/3J6diIa

@ladronefpv4484 Жыл бұрын

@@Reviewlampmany thanks Mate... 🙏

@neilgettig2877 Жыл бұрын

You mention that the machine will control the router speed. Will it do this with the Dewalt router as well?

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not. With the Dewalt router, speed control is manual.

@rickdees651 2 жыл бұрын

There's a work around so you can power the DeWalt via the software without voiding the warranty

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 Жыл бұрын

What is it?

@rickdees651 Жыл бұрын

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@mikejackson9585 Жыл бұрын

@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 An Amazon relay outlet.

@sdavidrose 2 жыл бұрын

Will this CNC machine work with a piece of wood 3 inches tall?

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The machine can mill material as thick as 4 inches, as you can see in the specs: amzn.to/3oI4ZI2

@guitarchitectural Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this was a great review! Does it still hold up after all this time? And do you know if there's a 4th axis compatible with it? The website has been saying "coming soon" for a while.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Yes, it seems to hold up reasonably well. Again, it’s not a commercial machine but decent for prototyping. And I haven’t seen a 4th axis for it yet. Please subscribe to my channel

@RCwallRaceTeamOfna Жыл бұрын

Do you have a link to the aluminum upgraded mount

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

The aluminum upgraded mount comes with the unit. This is the 1000mm extension kit: amzn.to/3lcqYrW

@laurenwamp3706 Жыл бұрын

Can this machine cut All the way through a certain depth of wood in order to make wooden letters

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

Yes, it can cut as deep as the z axis travel will allow it to move

@jlssculpturedesign8140 Жыл бұрын

Hello is their much difference in the 4040 and this machine.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

They are two very different systems in terms of their build. There are pros and cons to both systems. I would recommend the 4040, if you’re looking for rigidity: amzn.to/42cSwhb

@gustavoaraujo4842 Жыл бұрын

Is the aluminum mount compatible with the Dewalt DCW600B as well?

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

No. Only with this router: amzn.to/3I25SCm

@gustavoaraujo4842 Жыл бұрын

Yes, it is. I have it and it works perfectly

@Kun373 Жыл бұрын

I wanna test neje laser would u buy?

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

I don’t anything about that laser

@ronin2167 6 ай бұрын

Are the motors are DC or AC? If they are AC, you don't need to worry about polarity and the color of the wires.

@Reviewlamp 6 ай бұрын

The motors are DC and stepper motors

@SitinuraChannel 18 күн бұрын

How to buy in indonesia?

@basilloizou1942 Жыл бұрын

Like to get on of these other Amazon who else sells them I’m in Australia

@kordelwilliams5770 2 жыл бұрын

Great

@Reviewlamp 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@mephistovonfaust 10 ай бұрын

Maybe the lack of QC isn't a deal breaker for you but for me it is. I can't trust a device to be reliable if it is delivered in this kind of condition.

@Reviewlamp 10 ай бұрын

Well, it is a deal breaker for me as well. However, my expectations at this price point aren’t very high. Most commercial cnc routers are 10x the price of this.

@neffk Ай бұрын

When the chips are dancing around on the surface of the material, you have a terrible vibration problem.

@workingTchr Жыл бұрын

With all the technical writers out there looking for work and the inexpensiveness of having nice manuals written, it seems counter-productive for so many companies to skimp in this area.

@Reviewlamp Жыл бұрын

True. I wonder about that all the time. It should be a no-brainer.

@brandonhoffman4712 6 ай бұрын

I was informed this machine uses ball screws, not lead screws. The ball screws are better. Seeking confirmation.

@Reviewlamp 6 ай бұрын

This is version 2, it uses ballscrews: amzn.to/4aQvAJo V1 used leadscrews

@brandonhoffman4712 6 ай бұрын

@@Reviewlamp ahh good to know!

@AndSendMe 3 ай бұрын

How do I find out what kind of duty cycle this thing is capable of? Meaning, how much downtime can I anticipate? Does one need to think of certain parts as consumables and anticipate X hours of servicing per X hours of use? This could mean the difference for me between buying one and just farming the work out or even doing certain things by hand.