I've always felt that the Kwisatz Haderach was the God Emperor Leto II, who foresaw his own death and knew he was powerless to stop it, yet lead humanity in one of the longest periods of prosperity.

One of the more ironic things about the story is that love really does take a backseat to those who strive for power. Either to control it or have it, it's the one aspect that all the groups treated as superfluous. However, it's ultimately love that brings all the things to fruition. The love that Leto and Jessica had that lead to the birth of Paul and Paul and Chiane's love for each other. For something seen as so trivial it ultimately proved to be the final guiding factor in the breeding program.

I like your notion that those blessed and cursed with prescience feel trapped, but only because they can't bring themselves to make a lesser choice. The correct path is obvious. But the human spirit always longs to be free. To see futures before you and to judge one as the only option worth pursuing is death in a sense. There are no more choices to be made.

October feels like it’s taking an eternity.

Qwisatz Haderach means "The shortening of the way" and is described by the Bene Gesserit as "He who can be many places at once" I believe it was not Paul's training as a mentat or training in the weirding way that _made_ him the qwisatz haderach, as he states outright (in the deep desert with Jessica) that he is something _MORE_ . I think it implies that his extra training is what will make it impossible for any of the factions to control him as if he was _only_ the qwisatz haderach.

Dune: The Kwisatz Haderach is the Chosen One. Monty Python: He's not the Chose One! He's a very naughty boy!

HE IS the Kwisatz Haderach! [A Creepy little bald child with a black shawl and a devil voice told me to type this. Please send help]

I always felt that the Bene Gesserit believed that the Kwisatz Haderach was to be their own version of Jesus Christ. A savior that was open about their status and showed it to the people. However, the Kwisatz Haderach had to force humanity down the Golden Path, and in order to do this, they would have to be the common villain to humanity. This is why all other attempts at a Kwisatz Haderach failed, they were told that they would be the former and when they discovered they had to be the latter it drove them mad.

This is what I’m probably most keen on when it comes to the upcoming adaptation. Like how Denis handles Paul’s emerging abilities as Kwisatz Haderach and brief glimpses of futures. If done well I’m thinking that scene with Paul and Jessica in the tent after escaping from Harkonnens to be astonishing.

I always thought Alia was saying "And how could this be? For he IS the Cuisinart Cadillac!"

I think the most interesting part of the Kwisatz Haderach is that it changes the idea of the main character being the chosen one. In other stories the focus is put on the protagonist and the mystery of the chosen one. Are they the chosen one? In Dune it is interesting because the Kwisatz Haderach is Paul and we know that from the first few chapters. We the audience want the main character to be the chosen one. The twist in this development is what happens when the prophecy isn't the whole story. Great video!

I could literally just listen to you talk forever, your voice is so calming.

In Dune Messiah, the Bene Tleilax pretend they have produced their own Kwisatz Haderach, but he chose to kill himself rather than becoming its own opposite. Count Hasimir Fenring was also thought to be an almost KH.

As always, loved your video. As always, it was very thought-provoking. One thing that has always been fascinating about Dune is how much Herbert's writing parallels points in the history of the coming of Mohammad and the situation in the Middle East which has echoes in the world we live in today. In this model, Arakis, as the source of spice or melange (I think that the two words are synonyms and not part of the same noun), is like a fusion of the history of the Middle East following the rise of Islam and the establishment over the course of centuries of an Islamic empire, a Caliphate which, at its height extended deep into Europe and Asia; writing chapters of world history that we in Christian countries tend not to talk about at length or too loudly, which eventually lost its its economic and military edge and receded to become a part of the world that was of only incidental interest to the Western Powers (The French occupation of Egypt with the discovery of The Rosetta Stone are practically a footnote in the Napoleonic Wars) until the discovery of the oil reserves (the parallel of melange) that made the remnants of the former empire an object of interest to the west following the two world wars. It is in this that the parallels between Paul Atreides and Mohammad, intensify because, when war was more a matter of the courage and determination of the combatants than they are today, the rise of the religion that Mohammad established, used the precept that anyone who died fighting to spread that religion would instantly be given admission to paradise, built an empire that at its height spanned across continents, wiping out what had been there before ("Constantinople" to "Istanbul") and leaving cultural artifacts that we see in things as disparate as the Arabic-derived names of many of our naked-eye-visible stars (e.g., "Rigel," "Betelgeuse," "Mintaka," "Alkaid,") to the Arabic loan-words that persist in Spanish (e.g, "Aguila," "Alfombra"-Eagle and Carpet, respectively) and the Enclaves of non-semitic practitioners of Islam to be found in widely separated parts of the world from the Albania, to Malaysia, to China. This influence, brought about by religious war, would even reshape the history of mathematics by replacing all the alphabet-based number systems with a set of compact, discrete symbols for numbers that made numbers far easier to work with than they had been previously, as well as spreading the use of zero from following its discovery in the court of a Hindu monarch that would free computation from the need to use an abacus or other counting frame. Even the ubiquitous croissant role is believed by many to have originated in celebration of victories against invading Islamic forces in Europe. This makes Paul Atreide's doubt and disgust at being the prisoner of oncoming history profoundly understandable because the forces that he saw his existence (not his will but the fact that he was alive), unleashing are, like the effects of the empire that Mohammad and his actual and spiritual descendents would lose upon the world, horrible means that achieved important ends. In the case of both figures, you see economics shifts resulting from plunder, the relocations of population segments as prisoners and slaves, and new bloodlines established through rape, and it is this that makes Paul a perhaps uniquely sympathetic character because, unlike all the other conquerors in human history, he is not only enlightened and civilized, but prescient: he knows and is capable of feeling for the tens of billions of lives he will be responsible for destroying by being the Kwisatz Haderach-by simply existing. On the strongly supported assumption that Herbert knew of the history in question and wrote accordingly, the idea of the Kwisatz Haderach, takes on a new depth as it is seen as a the result of God knows how many centuries of planning by the Bene Gesserit to "roll their own" prophet who, under their control, would have given them political control of the universe and put the reins of history into their hands after hundreds of lifetime's worth of planning. Given the combination of the Bene Gesserit's mistakes: their folly in not recognizing that the Kwisatz Haderach had been born, and their not trying to influence him directly or by brokering an arrangement with him, they had come to the edge of achieving their great and secret purpose only to stumble and fall at the finish line.

Thanks for all your research into aspects of Dune. You have cleared up a lot of questions I had.

Your Dune videos are always interesting to watch Elaine. Keep up the great work!

I got about 1 hour left to watch these before I gotta get things done. Thank you for this morning fun! Solid!

@Nerd Cookies, you have been doing an amazing and stellar work to enlighten us about the back stories to this EXTREMELY complex, many facetted and exciting backdrops to this - ever dynamic- säga! I cannot thank you enough for ALL your efforts. Please keep up your excellent work and take care and keep well and safe 🤗❤️❤️❤️🙏😊☮️

The best Dune lore on KZfaq Thank you enjoyed.

Kwisatz haderach- is in Hebrew, it means “the way jump”. Herbert chose to use some actual or near actual words and terms in Arabic and Hebrew.

Fantastic video, Love it. BRAVO 👍

When the Cabal that discussed how to deal with Paul Atreides referred to previous KH's suicides I took it to mean the KH's were genetically unstable. Thank you for the insight that seems obvious now but of course the KH's saw the horror of the 'Golden Path' and it was too much for them. Always a pleasure to hear your thoughts and insights.

Your voice is so beautiful and calming. Thank you for the great videos you make. Cheers!

I'm currently in the 4th book. Leto II is crazy. Can't wait to see what happens later. I feel really bad for Idaho. But I guess he's the other main character?

I can "see" multiple "paths" of my future, but the one I truly desire has thus far eluded my vision(s), it is so disheartening

More Dune! Love it. Good work.

You touch on a paradox of Brian vs Frank versions of the universe. The sisterhood determines the future of many individuals male and female during the novels Frank wrote, but they could not see the past of any male in their own lines. This was not a strictly genetic skill either, as we see during Heretics and Chapterhouse, when the Mothers share genetic memory (including their own) before they die. They only hoped that males would be able to see the past lives of men, with a potential of seeing all past lives. This hope is never addressed by Paul or Leto II, with their abilities to see the lives of their ancestors known, but never shared with the Sisterhood. They did not want Paul, because he had none of the weaknesses the Sisterhood hoped to exploit in order to control such a powerful person. A case could be made that males had a stronger ability where prescience is concerned, but it would be a woman who ultimately would be bred to resist the sight, ultimately building on the idea of men and women being bifurcated in their abilities with the "science" of prescience, which included clairvoyance. As for the X/Y references, that is Brian lore which conflicts with the original novels. This is why there are often arguments as to whether Paul was the Kwisatz Haderach, as it depends on what you think that person is. In terms of "seeing where a Sister dare not look," it is true. In terms of being the perfect human, able to see forward and backward through all of humanity of both species? There isn't even evidence that the God Emperor had the skill. Only by decided that Brian and Kevin J Anderson "fixed" the Dune universe with their retcon changes does the rest of this work. I like the possibilities of Frank's uncertain universe of possibilities more than KJA and Brian's inconsistent lore, but I get the attraction to the answers they offer. I also cannot stand KJA's inability to pace a novel or the bizarre magic he and Brian turned the universe into. Full disclosure

This is a needed youtube channel.

Thanks guys. Great subject

KZfaqrs: What is the Kwistatz Haderach? Me: *raises hand* I kinda choked on some giant sandworm bile while fighting my way through the NJ Pine Barrens. Now I'm the Supreme Being or something.

Space Karen: Get me the manager! Paul: Allow me to introduce myself...

I wondered perhaps one of the reasons the spice agony killed the other males who tried it was because they saw their future under the control of the sisterhood and saw no way to a golden path. This realization led to them opting to dies rather than accept a doomed future. Just an idea.

Yayy new upload!

I’m still convinced the true Kwisatz Haderach is Clairby and I’ll never not bring it up Great video as always! Very well-explained, love that you tied the Golden Path in with everything else- helps to show how it’s all connected

Whats funny is the Bene gesserit actually presumed that a superior being would submit to them in the first place. Why? Why would something better than you obey you?

James mcavoy is the best part of ANY dune related anything. Ha. Fr. Really digging your stuff. More cookies please.

Your voice is so soothing and peaceful...

Best vid on dune I've seen. I rarely subscribe but you got me. I'm an old dune fan both books and movies. Keep it up. Do you have Leto the II vids?

I cannot believe you don't have more subscribers. Is it a glitch in the KZfaq system? Keep up the good work!

For your theory to be correct, Alia would not have been plagued the memories of her maternal grandfather. There would have been no path for him to reach her. Once Paul had been blinded, and with the death of Chani, I had hoped that Paul would take the pressure of the Golden Path unto himself. That he did not fell in line with Herbert's idea that all charismatic leaders should come with a warning label.

It was naive of the Bene Gesserit to believe they could control someone who could see through time.

It’s going to be interesting how they go about portraying the navigators of the Spacing Guild, considering the computer FX technology of this time. A subject that would also be of interest to look into would be how the Spacing Guild became an all male school of discipline, considering that the very first navigator was a woman savant.

I hope this dont sound as nerd simping but: i really love your videos and your voice because it hits the perfect spot of soft witout being boring.... Plus: you talk about da fakin dune verse and i love that!

i just saw the movie at the cinema today. it's as everything you mentioned in this video! i'm digging it so hard after i watched the movie it turns out this is more than just a film, the factions, plots, backstories, political influences, the mysterious of the bene gesserit and the indigenous people of arrakis so fascinating! .. no wonder george lucas had to steal some of the ideas from Dune to make his star war saga

you should do readings of Irulan's chapter intros as I think your voice suits her well.

Think it's about time I pick Dune up again. Been pushing 20 years since I last read it, and it was very heavy reading for a tween.

Is there a plan to do a video on the Gold Path and the God Emperor bringing it about. I look forward to such a video. I know you are concentrating on on the first Dune novel now. But I look forward to the expanded saga itself. I am becoming a big fan of the Dune lore you are doing and look forward to future videos.

hi all and @Nerd Cookies, "Kwisatz Haderach" is actually in hebrew: קפיצת הדרך , which translates as the jump over great distance. this is from jewish mythology. so are other terms in DUNE. For example : Bene Gesserit is actually: בני גשרית...

I would say he was able to see possible futures not the future. As Paul could not foresee how he created Leto, for he feared What Leto would produce

Like the idea of Duncan Idaho being the Kwisatz Haderach.

Thanks for this. So how do you choose the background music? Do you listen to Eilo, DJ Yuman , Stars End or Music With Space?

Great video but u forgot about the ultimate kfitzat haderch wich have much larger power level and was actually Duncan idaho

I always find it funny when an individual (s) or an organization create or attempt to create. A being such as this and think they can control them. To me it seems like the haderach would essentially be death of any real kind of free will as he can see all possible futures.

You know ive come to realize that fictional tails often come true. Like with whats going in the world now mirrors tales from adolphus huxley as well as frank herbert and other's. Their stories are warnings of what could happen and no one is paying attention.

the Bene Gesserit plan had one fatal flaw, they could never control the Kwisatz Haderach

Do you bring the shortening of the way?

the reason the emperors troops are going to disguise themselves are harkonnen soldiers before the attack of house atreides is because they didnt want to know there were hostilities between the emperor(house corrino) and house atreides. but, the harkonnens are part of the landsraad so why are the harkonenns openly being antagonistic towards the atreides when they are also part of the landsraad? or are members of the landsraad allowed to war? mohiam describes the government as a triangle of the emperor, the houses of the landsraad and the spacing guild

Thank you for this video! I just finished reading Dune again, and all these terms and concepts are still swimming in my head. Your videos are really helpful. I mistakenly thought the Kwisatz Haderach was originally intended to be a woman, because I still don't quite get Herbert's ideas of prescience and male and female differences. But thanks to your video I now understand that their super-being was always supposed to be a male, so he could see both branches of humanity's genetic memory. Jessica messed up their plans by having a boy a generation too soon, thus producing a Kwisatz Haderach that wasn't under their direct control. But I guess if Paul hadn't been sent to Arrakis and ate all that spice it wouldn't have mattered anyway. So really both Jessica and (accidentally) the Emperor messed with the Bene Gesserit's plans. If Jessica had a daughter instead of a son, would that have somehow stopped the Emperor from colluding with the Harkonnens and setting in motion the plan to wipe out House Atreides? It sounds like the Bene Gesserit wanted to save both houses, so they could be united under their Kwisatz Haderach. I suppose the plan was for Jessica to have a daughter and then make Duke Leto give her up to be married to a Harkonnen, whether he wanted to or not.

Scallion warrior from xenimus , I remember you Kwizzadhadarach

Apart from the difficulty of controlling a begin with such power.. what would have been the point in even trying to control the one being that knows what needs to be done and what decisions must be taken to ensure the Golden Path..? -"We created you, now do what we want" -"but doing what you want wouldn't lead to the Golden Path" -"Well.. umm.. then.. you do what you think is best I guess..." I guess once you succeed in creating a being that is the best suited to rule supreme, the logical next step is to let go of any drive to control that being and accept that you now have to listen to him.

Haderak, Haderak .... everytime I head you say "Haderak", my ears start to bleed

Nerd Cookies. Having been a fan of Dune since Lynch's version in 1984, the multiple cuts, reading the novel twice, I am beyond excited for Villeneuve's version coming this fall. After his rendition of Blade Runner, I'm expecting nothing less than amazing for the new DUNE! What are your expectations?

Love your voice

I know this is more geared towards the first book, but I feel the ultimate Qwihatz Haderach was Duncan Idaho. But he wasn't created by the Bene Generates ,but by the Bene Tlilax and Leto II. Sorry for misspellings.

The Kwisatz Haderach can fold his conscience through time.

I tend to say and hear it as "quiz that cataract" for some reason. 😂😂😂

The ultimate Kwisatz turns out to be Duncan Idaho who fuses with the thinking machines and brings peace to the Universe. Duncan is the actual hero of the series.

great video but the background music is a bit too loud :)

If Jessica is Harkonnen's daughter then Paul is a child of both Houses. Though, if I understand correctly, this isn't considered canon by many fans.

One of my only major complaints with the original novels is the apparent discontinuity regarding ancestral memory. In the first book, the Bene Gesserit go to a lot of trouble to create someone who can see down the male timelines. That someone would have to be male themself. But in later books, Alia inexplicably gains this ability as well, even to the point of channeling Baron Harkonnen. From what I understand, Frank Herbert was aware of this inconsistency, but ignored it because it was necessary for the plot to go the way he wanted.

Its interesting that the reverend mother did not inform the sisterhood about Paul fully and Jessica's disobedience, both are unusual and uncharacteristic and both claimed to not understand why exactly like is was pre ordained by a higher power , or a higher order intelligence , I liked in the encyclopedia in the ancient history of the sisterhood early attempts at this produced Alexander the great and other historical figures

Yes what is the kumquat hat rack!????

I suggest that the name is a corruption of Amharic, meaning “he who shortens the journey.” That is, ‘messiah.’ He will guide his people to salvation and end / shorten their suffering.

*nods* Ah yes the Quiz Hatch Adirondack.

Never understood why Jessica couldn't of had a Daughter then a Son in short order, or twins? Seems an easy solution to please The Sisterhood and give The Duke an heir...she presumably chooses what egg to fertilize so we could even still have Paul.

Paul could see back through other memory and forward through mentat lv mathematics fueled by melange mutation. Seeing all that was happening in moment was the fulcrum point. The balance must be maintained. The whole book is about balance of all things. Self, society, nature all connected.

As an Israeli, I can tell you that Kfizat Haderech (I know how it's spelled in the book) means in Hebrew "the jump through" as "ha" means "the", so whenever you say the kwizatz Haderach you're actually saying "the jump the through"

Kwistatz Haderah sound very similar to two words in hebrew and i think they ment kfitzat haderech... Kfizat in hebrew (קפיצת) means jump/leap and haderch in Hebrew (הדרך) means path

2:17 I am such an idiot but for a moment I thought you were gonna say "for more information regarding the function of CHROMOSOMES" and would link to a wikipedia article

Wasn't Alia haunted by the Baron? She became abomination right? So how does she access the Baron Harkonen if she only has access to the XX genes?

I have never ever watch any Dune films luntil last night when I saw Dune 2021. The first thing I thought seeing the revernd mother is mother talzin.

If the original plan was to join an atreides daughter with a harkonnen son, wouldn't that mean that both lines only had half of the needed genetics to make the final Kwisatz Haderach? Or am i missing something?

Hope you guys use translation for this !! Setelah saya pikir, saya kaget bahwa esensi dari Kwisatz Haderach dan Lisan Al Gaib mirip dengan konsep Juru Selamat di agama samawi seperti yahudi, kristen dan islam. Terutama dalam Kwisatz Haderach yang dapat dianalogikan menurut kepercayaan saya, yaitu dimana bangsa yahudi selama ini mempersiapkan Mahdi atau juru selamat menurut versi mereka sendiri dan untuk kepentingan kaumnya sendiri. Maka dalam hal itu mereka harus bisa menyingkirkan juru selamat yg ditunggu oleh umat islam dan kristen, dan untuk mewujudkan hal tersebut, tanah yang dijanjikan atau dalam hal ini Jerussalem harus bisa bersih dari umat islam dan kristen supaya messiah mereka dapat bangkit. Hal ini sama dengan Bene Gesserit yang menginginkan messiah versi mereka sendiri yg dapat mereka kendalikan, berbeda dengan Lisan Al Gaib yang bisa menjadi juru selamat bagi para fremen

The Kwizach Haderach was Nimrod on Hogan's Heroes.

Paul tried to avoid the future vision of a Galactic Jihad by his followers, but eventually he accepted it. Reminds me a lot of the Hari Seldon prediction of 10000 years chaos. Prescience can be a terrible thing.

i am the kwisatz haderach. i'm just a LOT more apathetic than expected. My mother tells me I have so much wasted potential.

The power to be in many places at once, but made horrible choices. His son had to create the golden path to save humanity. Poor misguided Paul, and arrogant sisterhood...🖖🏽

Kwisatz Haderach - Kfitsat Haderech - קפיצת הדרך In Hebrew this means a shortcut

Cuisinart Cadillac?

The name is from the Hebrew word קפיצת דרך which means a way leap

IMO the bene gesserit(sp) would have a real challenge on their hands trying to marry an atredies to a harkonnen. Considering what that family has become feud or not it would be a damn hard sell. If I had any kids, I definitely wouldn't want them to marry into that family.

1:17 is that Kaladin? 💀

Was there actually someone who was?

The Bene Gesserit aren't prescient, though. They can draw on the vast experience of their ancestral memories, allowing them to develop skills over multiple generations, which gives them their edge. The suspicion of being prescient is actually a cause of concern among Bene Gesserit after the era of the kwisatz haderach, as exemplified by Odrade in the last two Frank Herbert novels.

You've been turning off closed captions on your videos! Please turn closed captions back on!

If the goal of the Bene Gesserit social-engineering, was to give rise to the Kwisatz Haderach - a male god-like figure, then why were they so angry, when Jessica gave birth to the boy, Paul? Isn’t that what they wanted?

I am the Kwiksnacks Haderach.

When I read the books I loved it when Pail remembered his ancestor Agamemnon’s thoughts. House of Atreus!

He looks like that creepy black dude from marvels what if based on the picture in the thumbnail

Wait, if it is based on chromosomal expression, how was Alia possessed by Vladimir? She shouldn’t have his ego memory.