i know right? Things is a small Kaiju

The Shant is in the game The Isle Legacy branch and it IS bigger than the trex lol

they taste like chicken

@@scambammer6102 Wait What?

@@SpedSukuna he's trolling lol

That's true, although they surely didn't move using only their hind quarters regularly, since they were facultative bipeds. The title of biggest "bipedal" that we know of belongs to Tyrannosaurus.

Hadrosaurs weren't true bipeds, they only switched to bipedalism when running

@@gusfring6887 True, but still that makes Shantungosaurus the biggest animal capable of bipedalism that we know of,as stated by the original comment.

​@@gusfring6887 CAPABLE of bipedalism

@@gusfring6887 I didn't said that hadrosaurs are obligate bipedal

Common cow slam moose

I see them more as giant zebras/donkeys; they prefer to flee from a predator, but when there’s no other option, they’ll fight back by kicking, wrestling, and biting.

Funnily enough, it should be the Ceratopsians that should be considered cows. I mean quite literally cows and bulls as such!

They don't share a familiy with birds, birds are a familiy inside them! which makes the Birds the last dinosaurs and the best ones considering they've survived any major extinction event since the triassic!

@@TheFoshaMan thanks for the correction

Fr every change and discovery we make on t rex just cements it as the perfect powerful predatory king of the dinosaurs (hell it even has a straight up keratin crown now)

@@ghaniKSW2 A king with a crow, and his kingdom was the last Dino Kingdom, truly the best Theropod of the World

Very good!

Right! Got my butt handed to me by my friend playing as a shant while I was a T-Rex. I got T-Wrecked. 😆

Whenever we played on the Death Match servers, if you could, you would have been swimming in the blood of many a dinosaur that fell to the Shant.

Shants are fucking terrifying.

I love the Isle's pedophile developers!

@@snoom3350 What? Seriously?

I agree ornithopods are overlooked, but thyreophorans are very famous and beloved

That's hilarious!

Nerd

​@@sneckotheveggieavenger9380how

tbf sauropods are cool as fuck

kinda have an idea since the iguandon specimens are in the old stance in brussels museum and on the second floor your level to their skulls...

Not really, it was smaller than a rex in the isle 😔 I mean at least it’s not like how they made camarasaurus half its actual size or austroraptor around 1/10 it’s size

​​@@crunchybro123ustroraptor was big af for a dromaeosaurid, and poor camarasaurus... at least hes still strong.

@@BeegRanho fr

@@crunchybro123 Shatungosaurus smaller than t-rex in the isle? shatungo weights 11 tons and isle rex 5,8 tons so i think they are clearly much bigger

@@vratti2236 sorry yes it’s true but as usual the isle screwed up scaling so the shantungasaurus is for some reason smaller in size than a rex

Holy shit, you’re right, that must have been crazy

That sounds wild as hell. He somehow survived the purge of intellectuals less than a decade earlier.

Yikes! Perhaps only finding THE LARGEST HADROSAUR EVER! saved them from a purge or re-education camp.😢

Mostly because life went on like normal for the vast majority of people. That's like saying that every american died on 9/11 or something.

Yup! Elephants can be gentle to each other, but can be very dangerous to humans

Yes but unlike those guys hadrosaurs usually have a first instinct to run, maybe a larger individual would fight(since predators wouldn’t go after it)

@@Ealais76 Younger ones may have been more flighty, but there is safety in numbers. A whole herd running from a single predator doesn’t make much sense

@@averycheesypotato it does when you realize that a Rex is an ambush predator, if they run then the Rex has 0% chance of catching up, unlike modern mammals, most hadrosaurs greatly outsped their predators, which is how they survive. There’s a reason why they barely make it past their 1st year sometimes

@@Ealais76 The rex would prefer to go after the young, sick or injured only. By standing together a group can protect the vulnerable. We see examples of this in modern animals. Bison, buffalo, horses- they will form a ring around their young when a predator approaches. If they are spooked enough they will flee, but try to maintain those positions as they run

Dude you gonna be trampled

@@pierre-samuelroux9364 I haven't realised I hadn't wrote "don't" after "you".

@@afrovenatorprime3001 yea it ok

But it's gotta taste great, right?

@@monstersandmachines If you're a carnivore like me, the megalosaur, then yeah😋🍖

@@sauron6977 Bush Dogs aren't Dinosaurs.

olorotitan is my favorite hadrosaur

@@NextToToddliness given that non avian dinosaurs did exist for 150 million years I say it's likely some theropods hunted in groups but this would be the rare exception, not the norm as is commonly depicted. though mobbing behavior similar to komodo dragons and crocodilians seems more common.

Much like the effect aging has on elephants I imagine

I assume things like arthritis and other joint and bone problems took a serious tole on elderly individuals.

Overrated*

@@bagheerakiplingi2037 Underrated* they’re perpetually depicted as helpless predator fodder. As if everyone forgets that these were elephant sized animals or larger.

@@Saurophaganax1931 overrated because size isn’t all

@@bagheerakiplingi2037 but I mean literally nobody overrates them. They are the stars of no movies. They’re no child's favourite dinosaur. They die without a fight in almost every dinosaur documentary and videogame, often to predators who would have no chance of killing one. They are perpetually underrated.

@@Saurophaganax1931 I am talking about how overrated they’re in fights because their weapons are to scare predators but can’t kill

Lmao we barely saw Hadrosaurs in action in any JP/JW film how can you say that?

Same

But where are you’re nerd emojis

@@Mrkreebbs the nerd emoji is ganna give the wrong message

@@mohnplayz8859lmao

Me too

It would need to put up a fight because apex predators often took down pray twice their size.

the movies make them look weak and they never fight back...also the documentaries are even worse making them the size of an large bull or an ox when some were bigger than an elephant...

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Apart those big items will murk trex to death

Eh. Nah, Brontosaurus was still huge in body and muscle too. Even if you got rid of the neck and tail, it’d still be a larger animal.

If you compare body size shatungo looks very large, this also happens among sauropods, the largest specimens of Camarasaurus look larger than Diplodocus, because their heads and legs look more massive, despite the second being longer.

@@An-kw3ec I think its also worth noting that the side profile of the animal is deceptive. If you turned Shantungosaurus to face you head on you’d find that, despite being long and tall, hadrosaurs are remarkably narrow animals width-wise. A lot of the mass in Sauropods on the other hand is hidden in the fact that they are comparably quite wide animals.

It's large zebras

idk how anyone can come to that conclusion ,even a 6m hadrosaur would be strong as an ox at least ...just look at the femur bones and its skeletal structure as a whole...

@@Dinoquaoar-ts6lj Hypsibema crassicauda messaures between 45 and 49 ft in length. That's a lot bigger than 10m.

iv no doubt alot of the big hadrosaurs reach 17m as adults ,some photos iv seen they tower over the 6ft2 guy ...

Atleast in adulthood, young individuals may have been targeted, similar to modern bison calves being taken by coyotes, wolves, cougars and bears when they are left unattended

Tarbosaurus?

tarbosaurus did reach large sizes and is known to have been to 12m in the largest specimens usually based on the largest skulls and a few larger skulls from private collections....still it was slimmer than t rex but the skulls were more robust and larger than any other tyrannosaur except for t rex..

@@jackstraw4222 that would be the largest possible sizes. I dunno about the 12m figure, but it could check out given that the largest skulls are almost the same length as Sue's, of course a T-Rex known to be 12.4 meters in length. Your average Tarbosaur would still be around 10 meters and 5 tons, significantly smaller than the average size for Tyrannosaurus Rex. The biggest T-Rex skulls for reference would scale to an adult about 13.6 meters long, so there are always outliers.

But like all those tipe of predators, he must be carefull with hes own food.

​@@BeegRanhoDefinitely! No pushovers themselves, it ensures natural selection so only the strongest and most successful predators continue to thrive. The weak ones get stomped

​@@Spag419yesh

@@Spag419orca victim

@@Spag419 that's not how natural selection works.

X-rex does outscale current shant estimates, but ofc he’s not the norm

@@Ealais76I thought X-rex is around the same size as a shant not bigger, 15m vs 15-16m

Maybe. But we have more complete remains of closely related species, I think the estimations are decent.

I'd hardly call Shantungosaurus scarce given that it is known from well over 100 individuals in Chinese museum collections (Based on femora, there are a minimum of 55 Shantungosaurus individuals at the Kugou Quarry alone). That's vastly more material than most non-avian dinosaurs.

I agree that the initial estimates are probably off by a wide margin, but specimens of the good ol shant are far from rare, now, and a 50 foot estimate clocking in at over 16 tons isn't beyond imagination, and based on proportions compared to closely related hadrosaurs, it seems to be a pretty conservative weight to decide on.

who knows maybe there is an even bigger theropod that we havent discoverd yet

It's also a commonly mistaken idea that larger predators take larger prey. Brown Bears in North America are some of the largest terrestrial predators on earth, and in times where other nutritional sources are depleted, they will take caribou with surprising effectiveness. This is opposed to wolves and cougars, who regularly clock in at less than a fifth of the weight of the smallest brown bears. Both wolves *and* cougars obligatorily rely on prey populations of animals that can handily weigh over ten times their own weight, such as elk and moose. It's also possible it's like a bison or elephant scenario, where the adults are immune to any form of predation, but often fall to the elements, or their young may be vulnerable enough to be regularly taken by predators in their environment. Tyrannosaurus rex is very similar to a tiger in ways, where it likely primarily hunted animals of similar weight, while avoiding giants like triceratops or anatosaurus out of self preservation.

@@juiceart9199 Brown/Grizzly Bears are omnivores so they're not really the best comparison. You have to remember the North American ecosystem is a shadow of its former self before the megafaunal collapse, if it was Bison would be filling a similar niche to modern Cape Buffalo on the African Plains. Hyenas & Wild Dogs can bring down Buffalo but almost NEVER healthy adults. Bison's primary predators were probably Saber cats & large Pantherine cats that have since died out.

@@juiceart9199 bison aren't exactly immune to predation, and we know T. rex did hunt full grown triceratops and edmontosaurus based on healed bite wounds from both genera.

@@Dinoquaoar-ts6lj Actually there has been either a reexamination or additional finds of Sinoceratops that have size buffed it to 7.8 meters & 5.7 tons, which would make it the largest Centrosaurine Ceratopsian yet known & would make it almost Triceratops-sized.

Brontosaurus is a valid species again.

@@ExtremeMadnessX how?

De-horned rhinos are just as immune to predation as their horned counterparts. Sometimes being big and hard to bite into is more than enough.

​@@juiceart9199let's not forget that getting rammed by a hadrosaur or rhino would feel like getting hit by a truck

Lambeosaurus, Shantungsaurus and Ouranosaurus I think top 3.

@@elmoheadourano doesn’t even come close. Top 3 on average are Shant, Hypacro, and charono. Though edmonto can get larger than all 3

Giant lambeosaur is now called Magnapaulia.

@@elmohead Ouanosaurus was an iguanodontid.

also there a large edmontosaurus skull in the museum of rockies and a lesser known hadrosaur footprint at 1.25m mentioned in older books...

Or knock the theropod down and trample it to death.

@@beastmaster0934 yeah if the tyrannosaurus is offguard

While this is generally true, its important to note this isnt always the case. For instance the largest animal in the Everglades is the American crocodile. For another example, the largest animal in the Amazon is the black caiman. All this is to say, their are always exceptions to every rule.

​@@Why79-dx4rfaren't American crocodiles larger than gators though?

@@IndominusRex-wc1ey yes, that is why I said American crocodiles were the largest animal in the Everglades.

@@Why79-dx4rf i swear to fuck my dumbass read that was American alligator I'm sorry LMAO

@@Why79-dx4rf Crocodiles are semi aquatic tho.

St Meteor don’t call me cause I can’t goooo

Think closer to 16, more likely 20

@@juiceart9199 20 is unlikely. most estimates put Scotty as just under 9 tons.

Diría más bien que el búfalo sería Edmontosaurus y shant un hipopótamo por la diferencia de tamaño.

Probably more like grizzlies for the T. rex and bison for a Edmontosaurus, kind of like what @hugomas5207 said.

@@connorwade9417 Exactamente.

A 9 ton T-Rex wouldn't have a problem with it.

​@@neganrex5693meanwhile ed with 13-15 tons

@@Dinoquaoar-ts6lj it seemed I was mistaken on olorotitan I must’ve been thinking of another duckbilled. but Magna is 15 metres long and 5 m off the ground in a normal four legged walking state, goodness knows how high it reared, probably 6. The mass though must be more than they’ve estimated, at least 7 tonnes looking at it. Saurolophus. In Mongolia, 13 m long and 7 tonnes they say. That must’ve been the other I was thinking of

iv seen olorititan in the brussels museum and its just slightly smaller than the t rex its displayed next to...the iguanodon specimens are equally as impressive ..

@@jackstraw4222 lambeosaurus- so forget olorititan, lambeo could reach 15 metres long, that's 2 more than t rex, and probably standing taller. and saurolophus is at a dead heat with t rex in size.

On the flipside, predators can grow larger due to the existence of larger prey that can sustain them. Although a very large herbivore would be risky for a predator if fighting fit or protected in a herd, a lone one that is very young, very old, sick, or injured could have enough meat to sustain a predator for weeks and be relatively easy to take down. Prey animals have various tactics to make sure only the fittest of the herd survive. Those too weak to keep up with the herd or young with any detectible defects are sacrificed to predators so that the herd may get reprieve from getting stalked. On the other side, predators become ever stronger or develop sophisticated tactics to take advantage of any individual with weakness. Solitary predators favor sheer size and strength. Pack hunters favor speed, stamina, skill, and society to take out prey much larger and stronger than themselves. Death by a thousand cuts.

​@@MunkyDrag0n A very strange fictionalization of actual evolutionary forces. Rarely do predatory animals grow beyond a certain point to take larger prey, as animals that are within reason to hunt at smaller sizes solitarily will always be more energetically efficient. Even in our modern world, bears are huge not for being able to take larger prey, they generally take smaller prey than other, less massive solitary predators would, such as cougars and jaguars. Usually, predatory animals attain larger sizes in order to hunt less often, and to create a buffer between themselves and starvation if times of low abundance occur. Factors like this show just how many factors are in play, and size for size's sake is usually a losing strategy.

@@MunkyDrag0n I have a good friend who decided to learn evolutionary biology after she retired. She taught sociology at California State University, Fullerton for 32 years. She loves Scholarly discussions like this.

Didn't Mapusaurus hunt sauropods?

​@@monstersandmachinesnot proved..

Shant was most bigger than rex..

And yea

It dwarfs magyarosaurus dk if i spelled right

I think

@@Dinoquaoar-ts6lj huh yes tgey are it not jw