I was born and raised in a little town about 90 miles away from Richmond,so hello 😊 I love Mr.Arrozz videos too watch them faithfully

Norfolk, VA here

@@christinasobczak9945 Hi Norfolk, VA I am from a little town in Lancaster, VA

We must of been watching this at the same time. Luckily Skinny managed to keep her baby nourished 🙏❤️

Yeah, I’m surprised that they didn’t try to do something similar to skimpy, even though she was a baby. The baby must’ve been with her. Perhaps they gave skimpy some kind of special nutrition while they were sterilizing the mom. It’s just terrible humans really have taken it upon ourselves to do whatever the heck we want.

​@@Kimberly_11production of milk has nothing to do with losing ovaries. As long as the baby nursed, that release the hormone for milk production.

​​​​@@geminichalimarI think they mean while she was unconscious since babies have to feed often, hence why the pereon above suggests they might have fed the baby during the sterilization process. I'm really curious about those kind of specifics of the sterilization process though like what do they do with the yearlings caught or the babies clinging to their drugged up and kidnapped mom? Do some of them have trauma from the experience?? The way AM described how they sedate them honestly sounds horrifying 😬

@@karamichael2577 I have read that the procedures for spay/neuter is to wait for the babies to be a certain age before the snip. I don't recall now what the min age is. But definitely older than skimpy was at.

@PamPreston78 happy Independence day hun! I hope your holiday is a great one.

Hi Pam!

Happy Independence Day! Thank you for thinking of our troops!💖💖

Thanks, very late tonight.

I love how you are able to remember families and facts. My memory is terrible and that is way beyond my ken. Hence, my need for a list and use of the Wiki page.

Where is Teeny? I don’t see her anymore.

And to you Jen.

Hi Jen

Hi Jen 👋

Thanks and thank you very much for your updates.

How do you do that? You either have a fabulous recall or keep notes. Either way I’m beyond impressed. As I always am with your comments.

@@PamPreston78 I won't lie. I have some notes but most of it is stuck in my head. When I use my notes it's more to control so my brain remember it correctly. I was worse when I was younger. Now my memory isn't as good but it serves me and believe me it's so many subjects I know nothing about. Primates happens to be one of my special interests so I remember a lot because I have Asperger's. 🤓🇸🇪

@@ML_SE thank you.

@yvonneconte3040 Hey Yvonne how are you hun?

Hi Yvonne 👋🏻

Hi Yvonne

Hi Yvonne

Hi 👋

You can go back to 2016 on his other channel Arroz Marrisco. He started documenting them steadily then. At the time he called Bossy's troop the Ragtag Troop. Then he started calling them Our Gang. Many of the younger moms were documented as babies.

@@geminichalimar Thank you ♥️

right? at LEAST! was also worried about her...

I feel like everyone just knows what’s coming and unfortunately, it’s highly lied. That will add to the problem that will cause for a baby. If teen would have gotten pregnant at least there might’ve been a chance.

And hope that Teeny keeps her hands off of the baby.

Right now, I think Teeny is the biggest danger to Tina's baby. I think they may have saved Teensy last year if it not for her.

@debvit2353 Hey sweetie how are you?

@@jenniferlynn79I’m hanging in there. How about you?

feel this way about Tina...such a low ranking in a mega troop, i think only 1/3 of her babies have survived. she barely has enough for herself and what she produces just isn't sufficient for the babies.

⁠@@prpr44still, I wish they would have a system where they kept an eye on who has had babies, because sterilization for many primate species means inference to troop dynamics. Having babies can be a factor on a females ranking. A low ranking female who has one of two babies with only one being a girl or one who had had only one boy is still treated better than a female who has never had any. It’s like the females who don’t produce any babies are treated like ‘dregs’ for a lack of better term, because they aren’t producing anything to contribute the troops future. I would understand random sterilization round ups in places like India and parts of south east Asia, where monkeys like Rhesus macaques live constantly near humans are far more aggressive this population shown in Kam Shan country park, but these monkeys are generally a so well behaved around humans that it feels too rushed to sterilize the females without a plan.

@@lunartears6761 so many dynamics to be aware of, indeed. i seriously feel for nona.

@@lunartears6761 agree

Moms know best when it's safe for babies to toddle. There may be any number of dangers, or risks, that we can't perceive.

And some are just very protective which is natural. All in due time.

Probably unwelcome babysitting. I could be wrong though. ❤️

@@Paula-u5hYes in some cases other monkeys who do not have their own babies can kidnap others’ babies. It has resulted in death of said babies. There are all kinds of dangers and some Moms are just very protective of their babies.

@@Paula-u5h from what we've seen, that IS a real danger. You are not wrong, baby snatching (well intended, or not) is among the many hazards.

She definitely will, low-born girls tend to not get pregnant until 5-6 years old.

Bossy's

I had the exact same question when I first started watching. It became clear after several videos.

She already have a name. MC named her Sapphy. 🤓🇸🇪 I

@@ML_SE I saw that after I posted. I probably should’ve deleted it.

@@PamPreston78 Nah, it doesn't matter. I do the same thing myself sometimes. I even let my tongue run without thinking first from time to time😁.

Don’t delete, it gives them an idea for the next baby’s name.

How about Sky?

Wish I had seen that but I find the long tails vile. I think it’s mostly because of the VO’s as they’re innocent but the behavior seems so much different. I can’t watch them anymore though. The VO’s are horrible to them and the activity at the shrine in Cambodia is completely different then these troops.

I think that the VO's have been harassing the long tails for a far longer period of time. Vos have had more generations to essentially rip up the nature of a proper troop dynamic. The long tails have gotten to the nature of rarely leaving the temple complex areas. The macaques know that people bring food. Why go and forage when you've got people throwing food at you. So the troops don't go and forage into the deeper jungle areas. None of them really do. So the natural foodstuffs they would normally have in their diet has long since been eradicated from the temple environs. Their dietary system isn't used to daily eating of the bread, sugars and other sweetened items. Ii have read that the long tails have a problem with stopping eating they're full. I would think that this behavior would be typical. If you come across food then you ate it. If you can access it. As you never know when food would show itself again. So basically they don't have a stoplight on their appetite. Then obesity develops with all the typical health problems that go with it. The breeding control used to be more typically in the hands of the breeding age females. Some would elect to have that one baby per year. Others would be more likely to skip an occasional year. That control has been usurped by the big males and their aggression. And most of the females now have a baby each year. The heightened aggression is not solely sat with the males. The females are also more aggressive. The higher ranking ones (even the higher ranking adolescents) will be more than happy to kidnap a lower ranking baby. I think that the kidnappings are more frequent and more dangerous. The higher ranks (females) kidnap because they can. They could grab a lower ranked baby. Keep it for a while and release it to mom. Which would be typical. They can also grab the baby and drop it from the tallest tree and kill it. None in the troop would lay blame on the kidnapper as this would be in their right. In fact if the lower rank mom tried. too hard to keep hold of her baby and therefore denying rights of the higher rank females. They can do what they want. So in light of the kidnapping issue the mothers seem to tend to keep their babies gathered close. Protection..This i think delays the development of the babies. The alpha males within a troop would typically stay in that position for longer periods of time. Now I have observed that they get overthrown sooner. A new alpha make is highly likely to kill the nursing babies (they likely wouldn't be his biologically) so mom will be more inclined to breed with the new guy. So many troops in such close contact leads to greater aggression by the big breeding size males. Those males attached to troops are desperate to breed. To ensure that their genetics are passed on. So the males are far more frequently breeding the females. Even thou the females are only in heat for one period of time thru the year. Mid-late fall I think. Then birthing season is about 5.5-6 months later. So the males are aggressive in their treatment of the other nearby troop males in addition to aggressive with the females. The males are also breeding the females ever earlier which drives them into menarche. The young males are being driven out of their natal troops earlier as well. I think that the freshly ousted males (who are supposed to join other troops) don't understand the process. They don't leave the area as it is the only area they have known. They can't get too far from their birth troop as that exposes them to the other nearby troops aggressive males. Typically a newly ousted male (or males) would bind together to form a transitory bachelor troop until they can get accepted to a more formal troop. So they have a hard time getting truly away from their mothers troop. So they have a longer period of being in that 'newly ousted' transitory troop to a true bachelor troop phase. The troops that normally would be looked upon to be adopted by mainly know the young males as something to be driven off. Now a lot of this is from general curiosity and watching videos and from doing some research into the long tails. And, in my completely amature opinion, I'm thinking that the VOs have greatly damaged the many generations of macaque structure and society. Sorry for the dissertation (not sorry). I just get interested when good questions/thoughtful insight come across my view.

The VO’s have brainwashed you into thinking the Long Tails are vile. They aren’t. I used to watch videos of 1 long tail and 3 pig tails. The long tail always tried to protect the smallest pigtails and would get frantic if he couldn’t get them away from their captor. He was the sweetest of the 4 monkeys. But the captor always called him “naughty” “nasty” “mean” “bad” because she hated him and wanted others to hate him too and it worked, except for a few of us who saw how sweet he really was.

@@gsmith6026 I dont disagree. Like I said, I think it’s mostly because of the VO’s but the net is cast and I’m not sure I’d give watching those channels another chance. Partly because I’m unsure what channels are exploiting and what channels are on the up and up. There seems to be quite a few in Cambodia but I don’t think you’d disagree those monkeys behaviors are different then the HK monkeys. They’re very aggressive and very forward with people. Again, some of that is the VO’s fault but I’ve never seen the HK monkeys act with such candor. It’s unfortunate as I’m sure other monkeys are as enjoyable to watch but before I found these channels I had a negative impression of the Macaques. I landed in HK in 2007 and went to work for CX. I remember reading the paper when this sterilization program got underway. I met friends who had bad experiences with the monkeys and saw one or two TV stories about the program but that was it. I paid little attention to Kam Shan or the monkeys when I was living there. Didn’t really think much about them until I left and here I am today following them on YT. How ironic. Cheers…

​@jbielinski12 I really don't think we can judge long-tail behaviour on the AW videos. Those monkeys have been so tortured, tormented, harassed and affected by humans for quite some time. I don't think they remember how to be monkeys. Their physical structure and physiology has also been changed by the human food given them. I am sure all the sugar and additives in the food they eat must alter their brain structure too. They are forced into unnatural troops, leaders, and any that stayed wild were killed, or went missing. The AW monkeys are no longer true monkeys. I would imagine if this continues, these monkeys will develop into a new sub-species after a few generations. I'm by no means an expert or even really knowledgeable, but I can see it happening.

😂 but her name is Sapphy. Given to her by MC. 🤓🇸🇪

@@ML_SE Thanks 😊

That would be Charlotte. Her story doesn't have a happy ending. The videos about her are a couple of Arroz's most popular, so they are easy to find if you want to view them for yourself. Summary with spoilers after the gap. Charlotte was abandoned at birth by her birth mom and raised for two weeks by the daughter of a couple of the registered feeders. Due to legal and ethical concerns, Charlotte was released to Skullhead troop after two weeks, with Skinny being the one to carry her off. After that, Charlotte somehow transferred custody to a high-ranking male known as Enoch/Flea Picker/Gerry. He was too possessive to let any of the females get near Charlotte and nurse her. The feeders made a grab before Charlotte dehydrated, but it was already too late. She had already suffered a head injury at some point, leading to her death a few hours after the grab.

@@user-fp6iu3ol7c thank you for responding to my question, it is very heart breaking