The Last of Us 2 - Why It's Great

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Stuart Barron

Stuart Barron

Жыл бұрын

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@qsr1776
@qsr1776 Жыл бұрын
I think The Last of Us at its core is a game about humanity. I think both the first game and a second game are examining different facets of what it means to be a flawed human being, which we all are, and they’re simply examining different sides of what makes us human.
@aaronbissonnette
@aaronbissonnette Жыл бұрын
exactly, and humanity involves the good and the bad, and im pretty sure people did not want to see the bad, especially in such beloved characters. somehow it was an expectation for them to be perfect heroes in a broken world, which isnt realistic
@lordshaxx667
@lordshaxx667 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
@Aaron Bissonnette well said, look at shows like the Walking Dead, Rick, and the groups are presented as the "good" guys, but have done some real shitty stuff. At the end of the day, Joel was a killer too, Live by the sword die by the sword.
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX
@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX Жыл бұрын
After all, it’s called The Last of Us. The last of humanity.
@kratosgow342
@kratosgow342 Жыл бұрын
I think in the show podcast elaborate even more it's about love and how dangerous it is in certain circumstances despite being see as a positive feeling
@Ryan-fk5hb
@Ryan-fk5hb Жыл бұрын
Something that's rarely mentioned is how they handled Ellie's PTSD from not being able to save Joel and as a consequence, witnessing his brutal murder. I suffer from an acute PTSD, and when that hellish vision occured when Ellie was in the barn with the lambs I nearly threw my controller across the room. It's such an accurate depiction of the terror. They nailed it. I've had the same thing happen, from doing CPR on someone who was beyond help and died. Sometimes I wake up in the morning and lay my hands on my own chest and it feels cold like his did and Slam. I hear the screams, I see his blue lips and his body convulsing, I hear the death rattle and feel his cold chest. They depicted the horror accurately for sure. I connected with it, though. Never felt like my pain was represented in such an accurate way in media before. A surreal but beautiful form of art.
@yourlonglosttwin8018
@yourlonglosttwin8018 Жыл бұрын
same here. trauma is rarely well depicted but im glad my favorite game franchise did it well. the terror never leaves you
@Ryan-fk5hb
@Ryan-fk5hb Жыл бұрын
@@superdupergi0 they had to humanise her somehow after what we just saw her do 😬
@derrickmartin9296
@derrickmartin9296 Жыл бұрын
If you wouldn’t mind me asking, what happened before this tragic accident that caused the person to die?
@percyjackson3885
@percyjackson3885 Жыл бұрын
@@derrickmartin9296 I would like to know as well.
@percyjackson3885
@percyjackson3885 Жыл бұрын
@@Ryan-fk5hb I am sorry that you had to go through that.
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree that the flashbacks are the highlight of the story and game. Seeing Joel & Ellie let their guards down and be so comfortable and happy with each other makes the tragedy of their fate so much more painful
@jr1364
@jr1364 Жыл бұрын
The last of us, part 2 felt really out of order to me. I think the TLOUP2 would have flowed better if they took out the flashbacks and just put more of ellie and Joel's relationship in the beginning of the game and built up to joel death, instead of doing a 4 to 5 year time skip between the end of the first and beginning of the second game.
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 Жыл бұрын
@@jr1364 While I do think that also would have worked, I do really think that the way they did it creates a very different and interesting exploration of grief. Us knowing that Joel is gone and where his story ends, makes those flashbacks of happiness or at least acceptance and love so much more tragic IMO. I don't think the non linear order of events was by any means arbitrary, and I do think it works. I have a ton of issues with this game's story, as I mention in my other comment if you want to check that out, but I actually quite like how they paced and introduced the flashbacks.
@Blexg
@Blexg Жыл бұрын
@@jr1364I think the point of killing Joel so suddenly and at the beginning and then showing his history was to express the idea that the impulsive decision to suddenly kill someone can happen in an instant, but you’re robbing that person of everything they ever were, or could be. - there’s so many things Joel was to Ellie, and so many places his life could’ve gone but he was suddenly killed in a heartbeat and all of that was interrupted - it’s meant to make you feel the tragedy of that loss and have it wash over you knowing that his whole history with Ellie is for naught because someone else suddenly took his life
@ineedmoreflavour1955
@ineedmoreflavour1955 Жыл бұрын
This just takes the cake though - people who love this crappy sequel claiming that the flashbacks are the best part? Which is hugely ironic because 95% is the exact opposite of that and what the fans wanted.
@emerystheimmortal417
@emerystheimmortal417 Жыл бұрын
Is it possible that the reason for this is because these are the parts in the game where players got what they actually wanted?
@lx-icon
@lx-icon Жыл бұрын
One thing I'd like to add to the point at 10:17 about how Ellie could easily turn around and leave - personally I think that's a massive point of the game. It's definitely about violence and revenge, but to push it even further, it's about how letting Abby live is the first choice Ellie EVER gets to make in her life. When she got bitten she chose to die with Riley, but whoops! Turned out she was immune. Marlene chose to set her on a path to save humanity. Joel chose to take her sacrifice away from her. Joel chose to take her her to Jackson. When she was finally ready to forgive Joel, Abby took away that possibility of fixing her relationship by taking his life - and she was once again powerless to do anything about it. Seeing a pattern? So when Ellie is set on a path of revenge, it's not because she is choosing to do so; it's because she feels she HAS to. Her MOTIVES are not her own. She's as much a victim as she is the instigator and is trying to be who she thinks she needs to be in the moment (hence why she is mimicking Joel a lot in her violence) - but the violence won't help her be free. Hell, even when she thinks she's finally going to get revenge on Abby, that gets taken away from her too when Abby wins the fight. But as soon as she chooses NOT to follow the path of revenge she was set on, she finds some level of inner peace. She doesn't necessarily forgive Abby in that moment - she forgives JOEL. She lets go of the weight of that burden... and is finally able try to move on, and find her own path in life. This is the main reason I don't actually know if Ellie will be the main character in the next game. I feel her story has more or less been completed, in the sense that her future is finally her own. We don't know for sure if she actually wanted to find a cure - it's just what Marlene wanted her to do. It could definitely be an interesting story, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Ellie's walk into the sunset be her final scene, leaving her future open to all possibilities.
@FDovigo
@FDovigo Жыл бұрын
uuuhsh... that was on point my man, great comment
@irisshea6313
@irisshea6313 Жыл бұрын
My gut reaction is “noooo you better be wrong I want more ellie” but maybe, like Ellie, we need to learn to let go🥲
@trevvy2124
@trevvy2124 Жыл бұрын
This is something that I've had on my mind for a while. Most of Ellie's choices and agency is taken away from her. Some of it is just because of life and some by other people. Like you said, she couldn't die with Riley. I think both the Fireflies and Joel took her choice away from her because I don't think we FULLY understood Ellie's POV about being the cure until the end of the first game and again in TLOU. Ellie couldn't fully repair her relationship with Joel because of Abby, so on and so for. What's interesting when it comes to the cure storyline is that I really do believe that Ellie made that her "purpose". In the letter from Ellie's mother, she tells Ellie to find her purpose and hold onto it. Ellie tells Dinah she can't infect her but she can't cure her either. I think a lot o Ellie's story is purpose and when that is take away, what does Ellie have? What will be her reason to survive? I'd like to think with the ending that she's going back to Jackson. Ellie has the bracelet from DInah so there's speculation that the two of them are back together but I like to think she's going back to Jackson, that she has a place with them in that community. The only thing I could think about for a TLOU3 if it continued Ellie's story would be the question of, does Ellie have the same purpose? If we put the cure storyline to rest, what would Ellie choose? To be the savoir to mankind? Or does she have a bigger purpose than that?
@digranes1976
@digranes1976 Жыл бұрын
Ellie will definitely be a big part of 3. It’ll come full circle where she’ll sacrifice herself for the cure. I hope Abby is in it, she was my favorite character in part 2. Voice acting for Abby was great.
@Controvi
@Controvi Жыл бұрын
I feel like the whole point of the revenge "drag" of Ellies part of the story IS the feeling the player has about "Ellie, stop this and go home" It is the exact same feeling I got at the end of Part 1 when you have to shoot the whole god damn hospital down to get Ellie out of there. I felt very bad and it was a real gut punch to have to do that knowing that this was not good at all. I litterally doubted at some moment if I would finish the game as I didn't want that. (Until i remembered, its not a game where I play the hero, it is a game where the devs let me play THEIR story). Same goes for Ellies story. And half way you basically act on that feeling with Abby. With Abby you feel together with here that all the violence has to stop. She is trying to coop with things herself as others tell her how she is a piece of shit. Really nice contrast and very well executed to give people the feeling they should have. And to be fair, i think that the biggest reason for people hating the game is that they are not playing the hero storie they wished it was. No heroes death for Joel who doesn't deserve it, no revenge arc with a happy ending and a forced perspective change to let you see what happens after revenge.
@aaronbissonnette
@aaronbissonnette Жыл бұрын
11:40 i personally loved jesse and was petrified when he got shot and died so quick. he was extremely likeable and you spend a good amount of time with him as ellie. he was a good dude, sadly roped into everything
@xXGizMonkeyXx
@xXGizMonkeyXx Жыл бұрын
as Stuart said in the video, there was nothing particularly special about Jesse. The sections where you ventured out with him as your companion as Ellie felt different than with Dina, or Joel, though. Ellie was protected by Joel in the first game, then became the protector of Dina in the second game, but with Jesse they felt driven by the same goal; protect Dina (even though Ellie's want for revenge eventually becomes more important), and I really liked the dynamic of Ellie not falling into either of those roles with Jesse. Jesse felt more understated, but the sections where he talks about his mother were really compelling, and, personally, he represents someone less brutal in a very brutal world; he's a son, and preparing to become a father, and those things are important in their own rights, even if they appear unremarkable in a story about more remarkable people. The way they handled his death - the quickness of it, the way we had no time to linger on it, and instead, advance to the Ellie/Abby fight, I think, really represents how quickly humanity is snuffed out in a world as cruel as TLOU, and that not adapting to the cruelty (in the ways Ellie and Abby did) will catch up with you. Jesse was a cool guy. RIP.
@aaronbissonnette
@aaronbissonnette Жыл бұрын
@@xXGizMonkeyXx well said, but i just clicked with jesse idk. i was really sad when he died, when you go to find tommy with him the little conversations added a lot to their friendship, along with the beginning of the game when he wakes her up
@Blexg
@Blexg Жыл бұрын
@@aaronbissonnette i liked jesse dying suddenly--people are all mad at TLOU2 bc Joel didn't get some heroic death but in reality that's not how people die. In war, the most special and interesting and funny and loved people you know will die like dogs instantaneously by the most random shit bc that's just how life has to go.
@aaronbissonnette
@aaronbissonnette Жыл бұрын
@@Blexg yeah im not sure what people expected. joel isnt supposed to be a hero. ironically enough, him doing a good deed by saving abby got him killed. so technically he died for doing the right thing. much like in real life, you arent gonna be rewarded for doing the right thing, usually ends up being the opposite
@aaronbissonnette
@aaronbissonnette Жыл бұрын
@@Blexg and the thing about jeese’s death, of it being so quick and you process it, i found that incredibly real and raw. i dont see how its a negative that “oh its just for shock” then people complain about things “not being realistic” when that’s probably the most realistic way to die in a scenario like that. you’re shot in the face, and you’re fucking gone
@too-bright
@too-bright Жыл бұрын
Favorite part of this game is just the brutality of it all. Nobody dies a heroic death like in most games/movies. People you play with for hours and hours are just shot and killed like its nothing. There were multiple times I had to pause the game and just sit there to process what happened. No other game affected me like this one. It took me months to get over the ending of the game. Seriously one of the best, if not the best game ever made.
@jaundice_japlin
@jaundice_japlin Жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@steveotatooed
@steveotatooed Жыл бұрын
It was brutal.and beautiful
@greytakerrev7147
@greytakerrev7147 6 ай бұрын
Tell that to all the people who prefer New Hammond’s death from Dead Space remake. Weirdos
@too-bright
@too-bright 6 ай бұрын
at least with Dead Space though I was never invested in the characters except for Isaac. I know the remake helped flesh them out a little bit more than the OG, but The Last of Us actually invested in the side characters and you come to like them.. and then 1 second and a headshot later they are gone. @@greytakerrev7147
@TheNightman.
@TheNightman. 5 ай бұрын
It's fucking dogshit
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813
@vigbjornblaskeeg5813 Жыл бұрын
I think it's so amazing that the one person who can accurately understand what Ellie was going through was the one she was hunting. But they were too far into their emotions to accept that maybe if they just talk to each other about their trauma and thirst for vengeance and the cost, they could gain far more than they ever could beating the crap out of each other. I personally think the story is amazing. However the game is REALLY long. Like almost too long but there is so much necessary development across both story lines that it's kind of necessary. And I love how the last thing Ellie lost in her struggle was one of the most important things Joel gave her, the ability to blay guitar. I don't care what the detractors say. The story is emotionally impactful and fantastic
@Blexg
@Blexg Жыл бұрын
A lesson I learned a long time ago was that life is a cycle of Loss and Growth. Growth means that you have to Lose things, and Losing things means you have to Grow to live without them. It's a perpetual cycle of growth leading to loss leading to growth leading to loss, but every time you complete this cycle you move on to greater and more permanent things, and through this cycle create something that'll change the world and the lives of the people you love. Or, you could be incapable of moving beyond your loss and never growing, or never growing because you don't want to lose what you have. Ellie and Abby are both characters that were incapable of growing beyond their losses, and ended up stuck in place and losing everything they had--because they just couldn't move on.
@brutevilgax777
@brutevilgax777 Жыл бұрын
I think if Abby and Ellie met under different circumstances, they'd actually be pretty good friends.
@arycorvette884
@arycorvette884 10 ай бұрын
Last of us franchise was base on movies like no country for Old men and the road characters in those movies and videogames the last of us are just plot device to drive the central theme of the story the characters were not ment to be fan service like the typical fans associate with
@seoul08
@seoul08 Жыл бұрын
12:30 Abby’s friends having a bigger role in Joel’s death would be kind of against the point of some of Ellie’s arc. If they were all just as guilty as Abby it would go against the whole “us vs. them” thing, where Abby’s friends are guilty by association. They’re on “the enemy team,” which is enough to justify their deaths to Ellie, because they’re all collectively “the bad guys.” That’s part of what makes her actions as bad as they are, because on a surface level Abby’s friends really didn’t have much to do with Joel’s death, other than supporting their friend Abby (not implying they are innocent.) If Abby’s friends had all taken turns beating Joel with a golf club I think we’d lose a lot of the weight and discomfort that comes from Ellie murdering them all, because she’d be way more justified in doing so since they all played a bigger role in Joel’s death. This would minimize the themes about the destructive nature of revenge, especially the damage it does to those outside of or less involved with the triggering event. Abby’s friends may be guilty, but they’re not nearly as guilty as Abby, which is why the “revenge bad” theme works in the first place. It’s a minor part of the whole games message, but it’s still important.
@neil8701
@neil8701 Жыл бұрын
Perfectly said!
@mateohodge6998
@mateohodge6998 Жыл бұрын
They helped her for the same reason Dina and Jesse helped ellie. They knew her dad like they knew Joel and they would've been fine letting it go but they wanted to help bring closure to their friend
@RickyhoImes
@RickyhoImes Жыл бұрын
I ain’t reading allat 😂
@seoul08
@seoul08 Жыл бұрын
@@mateohodge6998 exactly
@seoul08
@seoul08 Жыл бұрын
@@RickyhoImes who said you had to? Why even reply? Wasting your own time
@chrisd.2355
@chrisd.2355 Жыл бұрын
I'm someone that loves to be emotional destroyed by a story, and naughty dog nailed it. Part 2 is definitely my favorite game of all time. Never have I felt such a rollercoaster of emotions. It was a wild ride, and I enjoyed every moment of it.
@tyronedasher5408
@tyronedasher5408 Жыл бұрын
I was emotionally drained after playing..... I loved it
@ariannabevier
@ariannabevier Жыл бұрын
Yeah people came in expecting a happy ending for some reason, and then were furious when they didn’t get it. It’s definitely not perfect and I get why people didn’t like it, but I enjoyed it. I’m glad it didn’t end in a happy ending because I just don’t think that would’ve felt realistic. I think it would’ve felt much more hollow and lazy.
@TheNightman.
@TheNightman. 5 ай бұрын
The game is fucking poorly written dogshit
@kaico5265
@kaico5265 Жыл бұрын
FINALLY BRO. I've been searching so long for someone that likes this game. It's my favorite game of all time and I was really hurt when I saw that the people didn't like it.
@TheDanimal91
@TheDanimal91 Жыл бұрын
The fact that you had to search for someone else who liked it should say a lot.
@EXTENDEDWARRANT
@EXTENDEDWARRANT Жыл бұрын
@@TheDanimal91a lot of people are babies and couldn’t handle the unorthodox story! Gamers being retarded it’s a tale as old as time
@captainamerica6545
@captainamerica6545 Жыл бұрын
The majority like it. There’s just a load minority of people who have a weird hate for it. Hence why it won a couple of fan voted awards
@isaiahwilliams2622
@isaiahwilliams2622 11 ай бұрын
⁠@@TheDanimal91there’s a lot who like it, videogamedunkey just to name one, arguable the most acclaimed reviewer on the platform. The people who like it just never made a massive internet bandwagon
@Will-ob8xp
@Will-ob8xp Жыл бұрын
As the biggest TLOU2 defender, I think you made some really strong points both for and against. Some of the cons you pointed out are interesting for me to consider, especially the side characters being fairly dull. Great video matey x
@papalevan
@papalevan Жыл бұрын
Side characters being dull is a good thing to you?
@Will-ob8xp
@Will-ob8xp Жыл бұрын
@@papalevan I’m saying it’s an interesting criticism
@niallhughes2697
@niallhughes2697 Жыл бұрын
@@Will-ob8xp But that was one of the many top reasons why many of us strongly disliked the game.
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't even really think it's debatable that they dropped the ball with a LOT of the side characters. This is one of my favourite games of all time, and I'll still admit that I couldn't give a fuck about a single one of Abby's companions beyond Owen. When Manny's dumb ass got plugged unceremoniously I literally chuckled. Ellie's companions are only marginally better, I think Dina's & Jesse's actors did a fantastic job with very underdeveloped roles, but it wasn't enough to make them very interesting. The character writing outside of Joel & Ellie in general feels off. Even Abby & Lev who they REALLY try to develop don't work particularly well and stand in STARK contrast to the nuance and wonderful character writing of Joel & Ellie. With that said this is a game of highs and lows IMO, and the emotional impact of some of the best moments outweighs almost all the flaws for me. This game genuinely affected me emotionally and I find the exploration of Ellie's grief and her forgiveness of Joel to be heartbreaking and beautiful.
@mattmiltenberger145
@mattmiltenberger145 Жыл бұрын
I find the point about the side characters being dull interesting as well. But I wouldn’t say I agree with it completely. I think that if you were going to put any more stuff about these characters in the game it would have distracted from the main characters and the theme of the game. Also not a lot of side characters get that much of a coverage in most linear games. Maybe one or two but that’s about it. Open world games are different though. I’d say that the dullest out of the game was mainly on Abby’s side with Leah, Jordan, nick. Everyone else felt pretty rounded to me. For Isaac, since he was mentioned in the vid, you learn more about him as you’re going through notes posters on the walls. So if you’re intensely scavenging you actually get a pretty good idea of him both on Ellie’s and Abby’s sides.
@ACORNyMOFO
@ACORNyMOFO Жыл бұрын
You liked it?!!! I LOVED it!!! 💯
@thouartseraph
@thouartseraph Жыл бұрын
just finished. one of the greatest games i have ever played. truly nothing like it.
@axelotlgaming7921
@axelotlgaming7921 Жыл бұрын
It's the perfect sequel imo
@bombay_8368
@bombay_8368 Жыл бұрын
I finished a few weeks ago. I agree with you 100%
@ghostyhype_btw4303
@ghostyhype_btw4303 Жыл бұрын
completely disagree but glad you enjoyed it
@synopsis5480
@synopsis5480 Жыл бұрын
If this is the best game you ever played the bar is extremely low then
@DepressedPistonsFan0
@DepressedPistonsFan0 Жыл бұрын
@@synopsis5480 some people are casual gamers man. Not everybody wants to play games with amazing stories that are hard as fuck.
@xen_x4440
@xen_x4440 Жыл бұрын
8:25 runners and other infected (though it may change throughout the stages) can be killed in any way a normal human can be killed aside from starvation or dehydration. It’s expanded on that some infected just drop after 2-4 months, going the typical route for Ophiocordyceps unilateralis (the real world type of cordyceps that thé game was based off of) by puppet-ing the host to an area and then growing from the body and releasing spores to further spread the infection. A lot of clickers (and specifically bloaters/shamblers) are people who were either weirdly genetically predisposed to survival in this situation or who were larger/stronger/more resilient. Infected do canonically eat humans/game animals etc (beginning of tlou 2, when Ellie and Dina run across the eaten Moose) . If you’re wondering about how they survive the runner stage/how they survive being infected before turning, the cordyceps fungus would eat you inside out for fuel, and once you have a severe enough deficit of what’s necessary to sustain the host/the fungi (and I assume the energy expended to upkeep and influence the hosts body) it’d just settle down on a wall. Same thing happens when the brain dies before the host turns. Think left behind when Ellie is searching for a Medkit and finds the body of the pharmacist in the knockoff american girl doll store. The pharmacist either turned and became a clicker (the likely route from what I remember of what their face looked like) and then after being locked in for 20 years couldn’t go on and just settled in the corner. More intact bodies surrounded by fungi probably killed themselves before they turned/died as a runner. OH! We can also see in the stalker stage many infected have concave stomachs and a very starved form. It’s possible that the reason stalkers become so strategic is because some hosts aren’t enough on their own to survive to the clicker stage, and so they have to hunt and be sure to catch their prey without expending too much energy wildly sprinting after anything that makes noise! The end of this sort of spiraled into theories I have but! Interesting question! ( it’s also possible they ate rats???)
@thabreez456
@thabreez456 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think TLOU 2 is about revenge but more so about forgiveness. Joel and Ellie’s last canonical scene is her trying to forgive him. That’s the memory she has of him while she’s strangling Abby.
@greytakerrev7147
@greytakerrev7147 6 ай бұрын
She doesn’t forgive her it’s just that she realizes it’s all for nothing.
@khalidjamal2160
@khalidjamal2160 Жыл бұрын
The last of us part 2 is my favorite game of all time
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 Жыл бұрын
I overall really love this game, from it's dynamic and incredibly tense gameplay to it's amazing world building and beautiful visuals, to the best in class voice acting/facial capture and sound. However, I do think there's a lot of issues with the script, a ton of irrational behavior and contrivances that don't hold up to scrutiny and often feel mechanical in order to advance the story and reinforce the themes regardless if they make much sense. With that said, what I think this game NAILS, even more so than the first game, is the quiet moments. The slow exploration sections where you learn about the world's factions and conflicts. The long slow trek through Joel's house while Ellie grieves, taking the chance to go over some of his prized possessions and even smell his jacket. The musical section where Elie plays Dina the song Joel played for her, but stops because it's simply too painful to remember. The scene with Ellie & Dina in the basement smoking a joint, knowing that Joel will never get to see her happily in love. The flashbacks to a time where Ellie & Joel seem to really have embraced the father daughter dynamic and seem to really love each other, the absolutely gut wrenching flashback of Ellie finally beginning to forgive Joel, presumably, right before his horrific death. Ellie sitting in the water completely defeated after finally learning to forgive Abby the way she forgave Joel, and finally Ellie putting the guitar aka her last memory of Joel in the empty house where Dina and her lived, only to move on with nothing left to live for, yet somehow finally healed from her intense grief. These moments are so emotionally powerful and add so much to the overall narrative arc that the first game started, that I'm extremely happy this game exists, warts and all. With that said, I think the core revenge narrative particularly in regards to Abby's sections, are lacking anywhere near the same emotional heft and nuance. Perhaps there's just too much stacked against her, with her BRUTALLY killing our protagonist, and us already being so attached as an audience to Ellie & Joel. I think this is the challenge they were very brave for taking on, getting us to empathize and care for a character we desperately don't want to.. It's a great idea, but I don't think it was executed nearly as well as the Ellie & Joel arc, which is still absolutely the heart and soul of this franchise. For starters, Abby's "revenge" on Joel, feels unbelievably sadistic and cruel.. I understand it's the apocalypse, there's not much to live for, and he took her father away.. BUT.. Preparing for YEARS and YEARS, stalking, then brutally maming him slowly to death with a blunt object after he SAVES her, while never once throughout all those years stopping to consider why he killed her father in the first place... It's a little TOO much to ask us to sympathize with her after this IMO. Even Joel never displayed this level of sociopathic sadism, simply in the name of revenge. He killed ruthlessly and efficiently to protect who he loved or to survive. He didn't go on a fucking 20 year revenge quest to slowly torture/kill someone out of nothing but spite. At this point, Ellie's resulting sadism and bloodlust feels like a pretty justified response considering the absolute savagery with which Joel was killed. I understand the whole cycles of violence angle and how difficult it is to break... but I think Abby REALLY upped the ante & set the tone in terms of ruthless and inhumane brutality here. Abby's redemptive arc of saving a couple of kids who happen to be part of the tribe/group she's been ruthlessly slaughtering with her douchebag military buddies for years also feels like WAY too little, too late. Also Abby is generally even in her quiet and humane moments way less endearing, funny, charismatic and generally likeable than Joel or Ellie. Her fear of heights and her insecurity regarding Owen & his new relationship are clearly meant to make her relatable, but it's simply not enough IMO. I don't HATE Abby, she's cool to play as, and I actually think the actress did the absolute best she could given the material.. but it's a very tall order to make an audience buy into her as a protagonist, and for me at least they didn't quite pull it off. & TBH it even seems like they knew this, because they put the best gameplay segments, boss battles, set pieces, weapons etc.. in her sections lol. It feels slightly manipulative. PLUS, ALL of Abby's companions/friends are very underdeveloped and bland. Particularly people like Manny, who I couldn't have given less of a fuck about when he randomly got plugged by Tommy. Owen is by far the strongest character from Abby's sections, and even he isn't great. At least he is a little more interesting and conflicted. Ellie's side kicks also are generally lacking in depth or real character arcs, but at least Jesse & Dina are charming / charismatic enough to see why someone would like them in the first place. IMO there was a lot of overreach in the script of Part 2 that leads to a pretty inconsistent experience. Ultimately though, what it adds to Joel & Ellie's story and the emotional impact those sections leave are 100% worth the stuff that I didn't enjoy as much, and despite the flaws I consider it to be one of my favourite games of all time.
@marnixvangestel4082
@marnixvangestel4082 Жыл бұрын
You perfectly summed up my feelings for this game. Great analysis!
@b1thearchitect401
@b1thearchitect401 Жыл бұрын
@@marnixvangestel4082 Thanks for reading my long ass opinion piece, I didn't realize how much I wrote initially LOL.
@KSTED1980
@KSTED1980 Жыл бұрын
But like actually, this is incredibly reflective and well thought out, and I'm glad somebody can see all the work that went into this experience to make it different but just as impactful as the previous game
@ixizn
@ixizn Жыл бұрын
Just want to say you put this so well. I disagree with some parts personally, I didn’t like the game and absolutely do hate Abbey and sadly these parts where the game is lacking taint the whole overall experience for me too much, but you summed up what so many people have big issues with perfectly. I fully respect if people did like it and it landed emotionally for them, but it drives me nuts how many people act like it’s a masterpiece that can’t be criticized in any way, because even objectively from a writing perspective that’s just not true. I really wish Abbey’s character had been written with more care so it would’ve been an actually “morally grey” area emotionally for the player, it could’ve been incredibly interesting. But like you said, they let her go full on sadistic sociopath and there’s just... no way to make her actions “justified” after that, no matter how much backstory they want to put in there. By the end of it I wanted to kill her off so bad if for nothing else just to keep the rest of humanity safe, lol. So many of her key actions in the game are at best selfish and at worst cruel, and it doesn’t line up realistically with how personalities work if they want us to think she’s also somehow so caring and tender with Lev etc. You don’t just flip that behaviour on and off and whether they meant to or not, Abbey came across well beyond someone who’s simply doing what she can to survive while living in a horrible environment. Anyway, didn’t mean to rant but it’s so difficult to find people giving nuanced opinions on this game, lol. Enjoyed reading your take on it.
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
Very well put. Yes, there are some issues with the script but the positives massively outweigh them, but you could probably find fault with any story if you look hard enough. It doesn't however justify the amount of hatred aimed at this game.
@juhjaybrums1119
@juhjaybrums1119 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed Part 2 as well. However, I do think there’s more to the story than just being a condemnation of revenge. It’s an exploration of what revenge does to a person and how someone can come back after everything they’ve done and restore their humanity and peace of mind.
@sopebarrofficial3557
@sopebarrofficial3557 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad there’s other people who like this game a lot too, and not just for its gameplay!
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
Don't worry, there's plenty of people who like the game. Unfortunately, it's the haters and trolls that have the loudest voices drowning out the fans and even those with well thought out criticism.
@chadmann2724
@chadmann2724 Жыл бұрын
It’s almost like that’s because you hold a radical opinion that no one cares for
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
@Chad Mann No, it's your lame option no one cares for.
@sopebarrofficial3557
@sopebarrofficial3557 Жыл бұрын
Guys guys! Can’t we just politely agree to disagree on this? Do we have to push down EVERY opinion we disagree with?
@Killer24313
@Killer24313 Жыл бұрын
@@MrVexedviper well the majority definitely dont like it, its unfair of u to just call them trolls when the majority do not like this game for very valid reasons
@maestercraig3990
@maestercraig3990 Жыл бұрын
The Last Of Us part 1 & 2 are really one story. Some people just like the first part, but i find both to be fantastic games. They could have pandered to the audience, made a comfort fiction Joel and Ellie adventure, but instead created something much more interesting. This is what story telling is all about. Thank you to Naughty dog for creating a very grim and adult story, in a world filled with nothing but comfort fiction, it was truly refreshing for those of us who enjoy these darker and more thought provoking tales.
@bladelazoe
@bladelazoe 4 ай бұрын
I love that ND chose to go for a much bolder dive into Hatred and Revenge and really make the story interesting. Because there is nothing 'comforting' in TLOU world, it's a very dark time in humanity and the game reflects it. A lot of the music and art I consume is quite frankly is quite dark and misundertood ALL THE TIME. Some people have not made peace with their inner demons and only want the happy times in life. I love both the light and dark, but I frequently dive into the darker subjects much more often.
@RobertSimmonsAirship
@RobertSimmonsAirship Жыл бұрын
Finally, a youtuber echoing my feelings and impressions of the game. A lot of the YT community succumbed to the hate zeitgeist that followed the leaks because they have infantile understanding of storytelling.
@dream6562
@dream6562 Жыл бұрын
Nope they understood, also from a narrative point of view it took a very weird method to tell the story pacing wise, it would have been better from a pacing standpoint to do their parts in order
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
or they simply didnt like the story god forbid
@dream6562
@dream6562 Жыл бұрын
Idk it seemed like no worse looking at it as a part 1 and 2 thing, but like I said the thing I had a problem with was pacing
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
@@dream6562 who are u referring to
@somanytakennames
@somanytakennames Жыл бұрын
@@Z-Mikes00I don’t doubt there are people who gave it a chance and didn’t like it, which is fine. But you can’t deny the impact the leaks and the hatetuber reactions to the leaks had on it. I genuinely believe that if the leaks hadn’t happened the reaction would have been different. Still fairly divisive, but not a vitriolic.
@sproutswithjoy
@sproutswithjoy Жыл бұрын
This was so well done! I’m shocked that you don’t have way more subscribers haha
@paperchasindude6578
@paperchasindude6578 Жыл бұрын
You’re becoming one my favorite film video essayist. Any advice on becoming a film video essayist? What type of equipment/laptop you use? What editing and how do you find footage? I really want to start my own channel.
@ansser0
@ansser0 Жыл бұрын
The story was top tier in my opinion lol. Especially if you loved the first one.
@taco_stranglerllc8435
@taco_stranglerllc8435 Жыл бұрын
They should rewrite Jesse in the show to be a Step Son to Tommy. I just think it would make him more central to the group and the mission of finding Joels killers once Tommy puts his neck on the line.
@Neftoodles
@Neftoodles Жыл бұрын
That would have been so much better
@SamanthaNStuff
@SamanthaNStuff Жыл бұрын
Ohhhh I like this idea! That could definitely work
@FoxyGuyHere
@FoxyGuyHere Жыл бұрын
This is THE video I have been waiting for. Sums up my thought excatly.
@FilthEffect
@FilthEffect Жыл бұрын
It's the metal gear solid 2 situation all over again. People hated that they were made to play as Raiden, instead of snake. But years later MGS2 is now considered one of the strongest entries in the series.
@maurov.1232
@maurov.1232 Жыл бұрын
The best of the series is MGS3 and 1 , and no, apples and oranges, Kojima is a GOAT druckman fired all the good creators and imprinted his sexual depravity in part 2 and the Series , so STFU
@FilthEffect
@FilthEffect Жыл бұрын
2, 3 and 5 were the best. Mgs1 was good for it's time.
@mr.tacituskilgore1136
@mr.tacituskilgore1136 Жыл бұрын
This piece of shit will never be considered that
@hishkapish4817
@hishkapish4817 Жыл бұрын
It was considered good later on for different reasons
@TheDisKit
@TheDisKit Жыл бұрын
I liked it, too. Of course it stresses me out and I had to take several days of a break when that Ellie boss fight at the theatre broke out, but overall it was a marvelous experience to go through all the rage and sadness with both Ellie and Abby.
@AkramHossain-og8lj
@AkramHossain-og8lj Жыл бұрын
As someone who loved the game to death early on when it came out only to see hate everywhere, I knew that with time there will be much more positive views about the game. Over the last couple of years, 90 percent of the videos related to the game is overwhelmingly positive. Many hating it won't stop it from going down as one of the most iconic video games of all time.
@justadude3789
@justadude3789 Жыл бұрын
The fact the praise came years later after the discourse was old and gone says alot about the defense of the game. It should've been able to stand up when the game came out and the critisms were being made. Being the last person in the debate hall after everyone's left and the discussions has closed doesn't make you right.
@AkramHossain-og8lj
@AkramHossain-og8lj Жыл бұрын
@@justadude3789 i mean, the game won a lot of awards from both critic and fan voted polls and up there with Witcher 3 and Elden ring so there's that
@justadude3789
@justadude3789 Жыл бұрын
@@AkramHossain-og8lj yeah and so did the transformers movies. They're still garbage. And let's be fair main stream critics haven't exactly been the most unbiased objective people the last decade.
@AkramHossain-og8lj
@AkramHossain-og8lj Жыл бұрын
@@justadude3789 what about the transformers movies? All I have seen is critics and fans calling the Transformers movies substandard. That is a weak comparison to the product of arguable one of the greatest video game developers of modern time. Yes critics aren't unbiased but their opinions and assessment are more coherent to how the geneeal public appreciates this
@ashish_sunny
@ashish_sunny Жыл бұрын
Great work man! Will tune for more
@darrensucksatgames
@darrensucksatgames Жыл бұрын
I have only ever platinumed two games. Bloodborne and now TLOU2. It’s a great game. Divisive but great.
@HishamA.N_Comicbroe
@HishamA.N_Comicbroe Жыл бұрын
Loved this thorough analysis of the game! Also great to see more talk about the gameplay too as ppl rarely mention that.
@noelatcheson4174
@noelatcheson4174 Жыл бұрын
I love Part 2. Even with the pacing being a little off and the game being a bit longer than it needed to be, it's an absolutely stunning experience.
@Caladria88
@Caladria88 Жыл бұрын
I'm not really into the gameplay type of TLOU as much as others but the animation blending in combat was probably the first thing I noticed as a real highlight XD. I ultimately enjoyed the story, mostly because of the composition I found fascinating and really well done - if not easily digestible. Its a deeper delve into a well trodden genre and IMO worked pretty well in a video game. To me up there with the better games over the last few years.
@timothygriffith2740
@timothygriffith2740 Жыл бұрын
It is not fair at all to be little the involvement Abby's friends had in the death of Joel. They in fact, are the ones who made it possible. Not only did they help her make her way across the country but even if she had managed to do that on her own they quite LITERALLY held down Tommy and Ellie AND Joel so Abby could do the killing. Without her crew for support it would have been Abby vs 3 people. She would have stood no chance. Her crew are JUST as responsible for Joels death. Factually
@zaidabraham7310
@zaidabraham7310 Ай бұрын
Also Ellie's focus was Abby anyway. Killing Abby's crew was more of an incidental goal
@bet0neiro
@bet0neiro Жыл бұрын
Both games are amazing. Such a deep, bold story with very well developed characters and a complex, original view on the the good old “vengeance crusade.” People who hate it just can’t take a beloved character being killed in a brutal way. Even though he himself was brutal and killed innocents several times throughout his life.
@mr.tacituskilgore1136
@mr.tacituskilgore1136 Жыл бұрын
Is like playing modern warfare 2 and not killing Shepard
@Kfo221
@Kfo221 Жыл бұрын
I don't mind that Joel was killed. I mind that he decided to act completely out of character and give his identity away to someone he's never met. It's lazy writing and you know it
@kragestafa4065
@kragestafa4065 8 ай бұрын
It's not like it's a crime to like mid shit, hope for all our sakes it won't be
@reduxkai9100
@reduxkai9100 Жыл бұрын
Damn dude! While watching I thought someone with 100k+ subs made this video, surprised to see such a good video and such a low subscriber count. Keep going dude!
@Oskrrr
@Oskrrr Жыл бұрын
love part 2 of the last of us. only complain i have is that we cant change skins to ellie and abby like we could with joel and ellie in the ps5 version of part 1
@NewOrderOfAlexandria
@NewOrderOfAlexandria Жыл бұрын
Many TLOU2 haters weren't even gamers, they were just crying about politics.
@niallhughes2697
@niallhughes2697 Жыл бұрын
No. They destroyed two beloved characters and made them unlikeable in favor of new woke characters. The story was a boring teen drama with cringe dialogue. I for one did not wait 7 long years with pure excitement for this, after the writer promised they’d do right by us.
@Fangtorn
@Fangtorn Жыл бұрын
@@niallhughes2697 They're still beloved characters, for me even moreso after Part 2, they're just not heroes and they never were. They didn't "destroy" them "in favor" of "woke" characters, whatever that means. You waited 7 years for a sequel to the last of us. You got a sequel to the last of us. No one promised you you'd like it.
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@niallhughes2697 “Woke” eeeeeyup your just mad about politics lol
@niallhughes2697
@niallhughes2697 Жыл бұрын
@@whiskeycompany13 ONLY when it destroyed my favourite characters and video game of all time.
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@niallhughes2697 I think you’re being a little dramatic
@xXGizMonkeyXx
@xXGizMonkeyXx Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I personally loved TLOU2 and in some ways felt more connected to Abby's story than I ever did to Joel/Ellie's - which isn't to say both aren't brilliant. I guess, while I don't like the way some people talk about the plot (Joel dead, Abby bad = bad game, bad plot) I enjoy that its allowing for nuanced dialogue about plot in video games that we wouldn't have been having say 15 years ago. When I first played the Ellie/Abby fight in the theatre, I was immediately struck with how /gross/ it felt, to hunt Ellie like she was an infected. But, to me, that was one of the greatest parts of this game. Ellie's vendetta had completely robbed her of her humanity, on a similar level to the infected - there is a person underneath the fungus and infected, but they are being completely driven and controlled by something foreign and brutal - which mirrors Ellie in the situation. I also think that Lev being the only thing that stopped Abby killing Dina after learning she was pregnant is extremely significant not just thematically in this game and the first game, but going forward in the series. There are so many lessons to be learned from children (Joel from Ellie, Abby from Lev and Yara, and Ellie from killing the pregnant Mel - which had way more of an impact than any of her brutal murders up until that point), that I can see the series continuing to explore this theme of when that childlike innocence and purity becomes corrupted, and how long it can survive in such a brutal world, if at all. I would also imagine that the key to possibly finding a cure to the infection could somehow be linked to children. This comment wasn't supposed to be this long, I swear! I could talk about this game forever, and this video is an awesome representation of so many things people who couldn't move on from the intro missed out on. Keep it up man!
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
Fantastically annalised perspective on this amazing game.
@xXGizMonkeyXx
@xXGizMonkeyXx Жыл бұрын
@@MrVexedviper thanks so much!
@d0gwithmullet
@d0gwithmullet Жыл бұрын
Very true, I personally love the addition of Lev and Yara. While some people may think that the Scars as antagonists are bland/unneeded I think they gave Abby a new view on morals. Especially on the Scars' religious beliefs as Abby had previously only skimmed the texts of their people. It was nice to see Lev's perspective on fear and the aforementioned morality of killing a pregnant woman. Not to mention his loyalty and love for his mother, to endanger himself just to see her again and to hopefully change her mind even if Yara said she was beyond helping. Abby says that Lev is almost never wrong and he seems to be the voice of reason in their friendship, even if he's younger, I like how Abby still treats his opinions with respect.
@aerohk
@aerohk Жыл бұрын
I am happy that HBO has made the game viral. Lot of people are playing and talking about it now.
@lackingcreativevalue
@lackingcreativevalue Жыл бұрын
My favorite line from TLOU1 that crops back up in TLOU2 is during her interaction with Sam. “…Being alone. I am scared of ending up alone.” And by the end of TLOU2…
@cured_bacon647
@cured_bacon647 Жыл бұрын
Ellies worst fear is being alone and she was left with nothing in the end… Her hatred towards Joel… its all a mirror image of what Joel did in the first game and it just further elaborates on what you will do for the ones you love. For better or worse.
@FlashieBoi
@FlashieBoi Жыл бұрын
i made a rant video immideately after i finished the story becaus i didnt understand the ending but after playing it a few times after i realized that the game is about humanity and the lengths some humans will go to after they lose everything important to them
@phillipschouw2462
@phillipschouw2462 Жыл бұрын
Story good because: revenge bad
@SM-kt6zq
@SM-kt6zq Жыл бұрын
This is by far the best Last of Us 2 review on YT. Other reviews were too negative. Liked and subscribed!
@hope55th92
@hope55th92 Жыл бұрын
I just saw your la la land review, and instantly went to check out your other videos. and I must say, I love how well thought out your reviews are. And you make very valid points that I find myself nodding along with, well done :)
@Showmatic
@Showmatic Жыл бұрын
I loved this game from release, but I'm seeing a trend where some people who absolutely hated it at release are starting to warm up to it. I think after the rage of Joel's death wore off, some people were able to respect what the story was trying to convey.
@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi
@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi Жыл бұрын
I'm the same as you, but there was never denying the story did have some writing and pacing issues, even if we understand fully what they were trying to convey. Most importantly, about that rage to Joel dying, something I'll hand to those haters is that SOME of them were smart enough to say the issue wasn't him simply dying, but WHEN he died, and honestly I have to agree on that one. The fact that we had trailers with Joel alive past that point says him dying that early was a last minute change, and no, I don't believe that conspiracy theory that those trailer scenes were just for fooling us.
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 Жыл бұрын
B-but video game daddy dead...
@saintitchief
@saintitchief Жыл бұрын
@@CHRISCAMPO-wq8bi the first game’s trailer hinted that joel would become infected and ellie would have to kill him.
@roisinfornow
@roisinfornow Жыл бұрын
4:00 there's a gameplay reason for not immediately picking everything up too. sometimes before picking something up you'll want to craft an item. especially on harder difficulties when you want to maximise resources
@chewychewychomp
@chewychewychomp Жыл бұрын
This is SO well done and well put. Subscribed!
@stalagmite.5
@stalagmite.5 Жыл бұрын
My favourite dialogue reference from the 1st to 2nd game is when ellie is walking Joel out of the university, she says "If I get you out of this, you are so singing for me."
@novocaine2279
@novocaine2279 Жыл бұрын
do you think with the virus ellie can grow her fingers back?
@reesefleming1829
@reesefleming1829 Жыл бұрын
i will defend tlou2 till i die
@maurov.1232
@maurov.1232 Жыл бұрын
Still flopped in sales part 1 37 mill part 2 less than 10 .
@reesefleming1829
@reesefleming1829 Жыл бұрын
@@maurov.1232 i don’t care, it’s a good game
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@maurov.1232 It’s one of the best selling games on ps4
@joetaxpayer8180
@joetaxpayer8180 Жыл бұрын
@@maurov.1232 sales don't equal quality lol
@DeadX2
@DeadX2 Жыл бұрын
imagine defedning tlou2 though ill admit gameplay graphics and details are amazing story is dogwater though
@invisigoat
@invisigoat Жыл бұрын
I don't have the ability to critique a game or a movie so intelligently. I just know how something makes me feel. I agree with most that the story of the first game is better............arguably the best story that's ever been in a video game.............but Part II was AMAZING to me. No other game has ever made me confront the emotions that this game has. The game is a stroke of genius and I hope that Druckmann isn't discouraged from some of the criticisms.
@whatever7182
@whatever7182 Жыл бұрын
Great video, but you gotta do something about that framerate. I'm not being an FPS snob, the stuttering is so bad that it's uncomfortable during fast motion shots, probably made worse by the very low FPS of the video being out of sync with the source, making it look like a slideshow at times. But I still enjoyed your take on the game.
@gumball2960
@gumball2960 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I respect this game, I don't love it, it's not the game I wanted, but I respect it. Would I love to have something different? Probably. But the biggest thing that really breaks my heart is how the fanbase became toxically divided, tbh my experience with the fanbase of this especially when part 2 rises, is always never good. Esp now with the TV Show and all the edits coming along trending, it's kinda hard to talk about part 2 without getting a negative feedback, or saying your dumb, or how close minded you are. and to me thats just unfortunate how divided we are now. Personally my headcanon is "The Closer's Look's" version of this story. but hey again I respect TLOU2, alot of times this game has impacted me in alot of ways, and changed my perspective. But it's not the game I was expecting or love, but i respect it.
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
based. i hate the games ending and think so many things didnt work. but really looking at this game its clear there was good intent and a vision that i think is quite interesting and cool. i may not particularly like this game but i respect the living shit out of it. ill take something bold and unsafe than something bland and safe. even if it doesnt work.
@PaulyRules
@PaulyRules Жыл бұрын
Both games were amazing I’ve played the 1st one 8 times and the second one I’m on my 5th play through definitely in my top 10 games
@gerz3rker
@gerz3rker Жыл бұрын
I loved it too one of my favorite games of all time. I understand why some people might not have liked it and I can respect that.
@omiddana8007
@omiddana8007 Жыл бұрын
the story is a simple revenge story but the way they say it its amazing thank you for understanding this masterpeice
@AzureViking
@AzureViking Жыл бұрын
It's weird. As much as I love this game, I think a lot of stuff relies too heavily on notes you read along your adventures. I normally don't read a lot of these but in this case I did. And so for me when I finally met Isaac I actually found it really interesting because I had read so much about him from all the notes during my playthrough as Ellie. That along with the general environmental storytelling really fleshes things out a bit. So I think a lot of people who just sort of sprint through the game will have a different experience. I think thats contributes to a discrepancy of how people experience the game. Same can be said for Ellies journal. Her journal adds a lot of context to how she is feeling.
@GothamiteYT
@GothamiteYT Жыл бұрын
When I read some opinions on the internet it feels like I played a completely different game. I love Part 1 and especially Part 2, I think it’s a perfect sequel
@timtim9o5
@timtim9o5 Жыл бұрын
I loved this game through and through, screw the haters.
@thenightwatchman1598
@thenightwatchman1598 7 ай бұрын
"my ego is more important than empathizing with other perspectives!" okay so your a narcissist. sums up everyone who likes this trash and how i validates them in a perverse way.
@EntrEsprit
@EntrEsprit Жыл бұрын
This is the first time i see someone making a common title "Why it's great", but not going for words like "Masterpiece", "Thrilling", "Amazing" on preview, but instead "I like it" 😄
@ItsOscar
@ItsOscar Жыл бұрын
I’m doing a playthrough now and I’m loving every minute of it.
@FoxUnitNell
@FoxUnitNell Жыл бұрын
I like the sniper set piece because it straight up uses the games regular mechanics just like scaling tall necks in the horizon series. These cinematic encounters are a bit more harder to design when having to restrict the set piece up around the games set functions. I think that Abby's friends are the most guilty because due to the circumstances they had risked their lives serving as Abby's squad to even reach joel. If they were just giving up their rank and or status, they really didn't commit so much to the cause but they knowingly risked their lives for this cause very likely meaning were they ended up a lone survivor that he or she would commit the act. Abby's friends are just sacrificing too much not to guess they all had murderous intent against joel and everyone at his camp - once again - were the worst winning hard was delt to the group.
@Lightsaglowllc
@Lightsaglowllc 7 ай бұрын
Part 2 is basically Depression simulator the game. There is no hope. Everything is black. Everyone is broken. If you’re a nihilist, you’ll LOVE this game😂
@itsalolmor
@itsalolmor Жыл бұрын
I agree 100% with your arguments here. Good video!
@theodomon2774
@theodomon2774 Жыл бұрын
This game is a masterpiece. It has flaws like everything, but there are so many many things that are done brilliantly. When you look back and realize all the emotions it made you feel, it shows video games are a medium like no other for storytelling. Truely a unique experience.
@Kfo221
@Kfo221 Жыл бұрын
Are you high?
@thenightwatchman1598
@thenightwatchman1598 7 ай бұрын
@@Kfo221 hes probably a paid bot or severely autistic about not liking people hating things.
@JohnnyJunkie
@JohnnyJunkie Жыл бұрын
A mature game that shows us how revenge leads to nothing more than revenge, diplomacy is the best answer to conflict, and how life isn't black and white, there are no heroes and villains. Joel himself said in the first game: "We did what we had to survive" and "I've been in both sides". This story has no winners, everyone loses, and everyone suffers lasting consequences. Underrated story-telling.
@papalevan
@papalevan Жыл бұрын
But Abby won
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
i will agree the story telling was good and quite bold but i wish we got an actually good story and ending. i respect this game but i cant say i like it much
@clorby22
@clorby22 Жыл бұрын
@@papalevan Abby’s dad was murdered, all her friends were murdered, and then her former allies were turned against her. She showed Ellie mercy for a second time, and was then almost drowned by her during a fight she was emotionally blackmailed to partake in. I think by the end, Abby realised there were no winners. She lost everything except for Lev. Ellie still has an entire community to support her. Ellie only has herself to blame for losing Dina. They both faced the repercussions of their actions (and will hopefully realise that in part 3 and become better people because of it).
@papalevan
@papalevan Жыл бұрын
@@clorby22 her dad wasn't murdered tho. They were going to perform a surgery that would've killed Ellie without telling her.
@clorby22
@clorby22 Жыл бұрын
@@papalevan it was still murder
@angryretrogamer7313
@angryretrogamer7313 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love both games. I didn't feel any dislike for the second game at all. Yea it sucks to see Joel get beat to death but didn't make me dislike the story. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as am i but my recommendation is that if you hated the story of tlou2 try replaying the game and paying better attention to it as a whole. I play through these games at least once a year usually more but approaching my 10th + playthrough i couldn't get through the games without crying like a little girl. This is the best story ever told in a video game if u ask me. I really enjoyed the video well done and thanks for your time and work on it.
@mymyyt
@mymyyt Жыл бұрын
Yes, the flashbacks to Joel and Ellie are by far the best part of the game, and that's exactly why it's a terrible sequel. It kills off the best part of the first game without ever introducing anyone or anything as good as the first game.
@Allyphant2909
@Allyphant2909 Жыл бұрын
I think this is a good take. I would just add one thing into the discussion about the theme of revenge. You say that the game is conveying not just that it is morally wrong, but that it makes things worse; it makes other bad things happen. The cyclical nature of violence, for sure, is part of the message: the Seraphites and WLF; the fact that Ellie knows if she kills Abby, then there is the chance Lev will come for her just as Abby did Joel and she did Abby. However, I think the other point that the game is making is that revanchism destroys identity and the the relational ties that define and create it. Abby basically does not have an identity until revenge is no longer part of her life. She is so young when she loses her father and she drifts from the Firelies to the WLF. She is looking for 'a cause', an identity, something to define her. She is a 'joiner', not someone with her own sense of self beyond the idea of eye for an eye violence (which is what the WLF are about, they are not idealists like the Fireflies, and one of the reasons why she fits right into them: it is a group whose raison d'etre validate and enable her warped sense of justice). You see it in her physical transformation- her need for revenge literally shapes, moulds, and grows her. However, it also destroys her relationship with Owen as she pushes him away every time he gets close to her because killing Joel comes first. It is not until revenge is no longer part of her life that the scales fall from her eyes and she eventually can break free and forge her own identity. In part, this is leaving the violence of the WLF behind (she goes from having idealism in the Fireflies to hate in the WLF and telling Owen she would go in the opposite direction if she were to find out where they are and then back again) and part of that is her relationship with Lev (i.e.- relationality, love, caring about people and them caring about you). Ultimately, she had to realise that revenge did not make her life better; it stopped her being a real person with human ties and identity. With Ellie, by contrast, rather than revenge stopping her developing these things, it causes her to lose them. Compare Abby's and Ellie's arcs by the the way that revenge shapes their bodies- it sculpts Abby but scars and damages Ellie (Nora), it makes her vomit (Mel). Contrast the approach to relationality- it prevents Abby making things work with Owen but Ellie is scared to lose Dina, is putting her her first by deciding to return to Jackson at the end of day 3 just as Abby arrives, only to then lose it all and fuck it up because she is traumatised and obsessed. Just as Abby couldn't form an identity and independent sense of meaning and purpose because of revenge, Ellie is angry at Joel for taking away her identity, meaning, and purpose but comes to realise that she had one. She was Joel's purpose. She meant something to Dina and JJ. She already had relationality and worth and purpose and meaning- all of those things she felt she didn't have and was looking for. That image of Joel she sees before she lets Abby go is not just about the cycle of violence, but realising she already had what was important and has now lost it all and killing Abby won't bring any of it back. It wasn't revenge that helped Abby grow. She came to realise that it held her back from being a better (and her own) person. Ellie had to lose everything to find that she already had everything she needed. However, the lesson for both is the same- the self is relational and we are defined by love and our relationships and bonds of kith and kin with others. Violence, hatred, and revenge give the illusion of purpose and meaning but are, in fact, parasites that rob us of those things.
@DannsProductions
@DannsProductions Жыл бұрын
I get it… people wanted another story with Joel and Ellie going on another adventure but unfortunately this isn’t Uncharted. The Last of Us shows that there are real consequences to your actions.
@Maya_Ruinz
@Maya_Ruinz Жыл бұрын
11:00 thank you at least someone finally pointed out that Ellie didn’t have to be in Seattle, she could have left at anytime and purposely chose to hunt everyone down even with a pregnant girlfriend.
@marxhonore9414
@marxhonore9414 Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen people make videos of hours long dissecting the story of this game, whether for good or bad. And for me that just says how special it is.. like how many games can people sit and pour their heart out about for over an hour, not many. But even the haters can speak at lengths about this game. Greatness doesn’t always have to be pleasant, some things can be painfully great.
@thesavagetaxman846
@thesavagetaxman846 Жыл бұрын
...Or maybe its because they liked the first game but were so depressed about how bad the story is in the second game.
@marxhonore9414
@marxhonore9414 Жыл бұрын
@@thesavagetaxman846 it’s been 3 years lmao. Whether you liked the first game or not, if the second was bad, you wouldn’t be able to speak about it for long periods. Bad media is media that Is forgettable, so if the last of us 2 left enough in you to speak for a long time about it, that makes it good media whether you felt good after it or not. And you say it was depressing, buddy a story being depressing doesn’t mean it’s bad 😂 there’s something called a sad story. Or is it only happy stories that are good? This is why we say TLOU2 haters can’t handle reality, reality sometimes is “depressing”.
@thesavagetaxman846
@thesavagetaxman846 Жыл бұрын
​@@marxhonore9414 I didn't say the second game was "depressing", I said it was "depressing" how bad it is. The relationship between Joel and Ellie is what made the first game so brilliant, but Joel doesn't even get 5 minutes of gameplay in part 2 before he's killed off. At least give him some relevance to the story other than being a quick and easy revenge plot device. It wasn't "bold or brave" of the writers to instantly kill him off, it was lazy. The characters they replace Joel with are boring and forgettable. The game fails on a major level to get the players to relate and sympathize with characters. Characters like Jesse, Manny, Nora, ect. just get killed off and are never spoken about again. Not just this, the pacing of the story is all over the place - its a mess. Ellie's decisions in the game make absolutely no sense, she brutally murders hundreds and hundreds of people (most who had nothing or little to do with Joel's death) yet when she reaches Abby she suddenly decides "revenge is bad" after seeing a flashback of Joel. Why in the f*** would a flashback of Joel (a ruthless survivor) make her spare Abby? All of this is legitimate criticism of the game, but I guess us "haters cAnT hAnDlE rEaLiTy". Christ give me a break.
@marxhonore9414
@marxhonore9414 Жыл бұрын
@@thesavagetaxman846 name one person Ellie murdered cold bloodedly.. which means she murdered the person for no reason whatsoever. The person was neither intended to kill her or preventing her from her goal. And you said the first game was brilliant because of Joel’s and Ellie’s relationship, and why exactly do you want the second game to be the same as the first? 😂 like I can’t make this up… you want a sequel to be so freaking basic, same thing that you had before within your comfort zone. It’s not even a matter of not handling reality, it’s about not thinking outside the box. But y’all just want the same old that you’re used to, Joel and Ellie skipping around a garden for the second game in a row. I’ve said this before, I think there are flaws in the story just like literally any other story in any game that you would call good, but it’s basically Joel’s death that makes y’all focus more on “flaws” for TLOU2 and act like that’s the reason you call it bad, when in reality if Joel was alive, you won’t be complaining about these things such as “forgettable characters”, you would just be happy to have your daddy Joel around 😂. One more thing, who exactly was Manny’s and the others death supposed to be mentioned to? Who was Tess’ death mentioned to in part 1? Who was Sam and Henry’s death mentioned to? Even Sarah was closed off about for most of part one, but y’all won’t complain about any of this from part 1, simply because it’s not Part 2 and has your daddy Joel in it.
@thesavagetaxman846
@thesavagetaxman846 Жыл бұрын
​@@marxhonore9414 Ellie literally fought her way through an entire city killing Abby's friends and allies but only had second thoughts after reaching Abby. Ellie's change of heart is completely unjustified and makes no sense from a narrative point of view. No one is complaining about Joel dying, its how poorly his death was handled. They could've done so much more with his character. The characters were so mediocre and have no impact when they die its laughable. For example, Jesse and Manny get domed in the face and the characters barely react to their deaths and don't talk about them afterwords. Its like the writers forgot about them. The player is left feeling nonchalant and unaffected by their deaths. The game is so obvious and desperate in its attempts to get us to sympathize with Abby but flops spectacularly. She isn't relatable or likable at all. Its quite hilarious actually - the players are actively routing against Abby and get themselves killed on purpose just to watch her die. The structure of the story doesn't do her any favors either as they force us to play as her for 15 hours after she beats Joel to death. In the first game, all the characters are memorable and their deaths hit home. Even after their death Ellie brings them up with Joel who at first refuses to acknowledge them but starts opening up as the story progresses. Moreover, Bill who only appears for one chapter, is more noteworthy than the main characters in part 2 lmao. Just goes to show how bad the characters are.
@rockycuro7737
@rockycuro7737 Жыл бұрын
It's funny how The Last Of Us 2 gets much more hate than it deserves, and all it really comes down to is that people were upset that Joel died and refused to pay attention or be invested in any of the game afterwards.
@brunrodrigues
@brunrodrigues Жыл бұрын
Some yes, my experience in discussions about it is that some people saying that about Joel death, when pressed on the matter all comes up to Abby big arms and how Gay and “woke” the game is or whatever that means. I did love the game and I still play some encounters sometimes (thank you ND for the option).
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
The problem is that most people who have negative things to say are basement dwelling trolls who keep harping on about woke agendas and the message. They've probably never even played the game.
@jamesrogers9300
@jamesrogers9300 8 ай бұрын
I love the fact you are making a review of a game that was released in 2020, the gameplay section of the review was absolutely immaculate, and perfectly encapsulated, however, you made a incorrect statement, Abby’s friends were not just there while Abby did her thing, who were the guys who pinned tommy up, and who was the girl who knocked him unconscious who pinned Ellie (his saviour) to the ground and eventually knocked her unconscious, who were the two that pinned Joel to the wall and who was the girl who tourniquets his leg so he can die a slow and painful death? Everything about this video is so perfectly worded, but that is just simply false
@justin5824
@justin5824 Жыл бұрын
Yeah if you play on grounded or survivor scavenging is a necessity if you aren't carefully you'll have to clear an encounter with only 4 bullets to your name which is why I love this game on max difficulty
@NEOREV_MUSIC
@NEOREV_MUSIC Жыл бұрын
I was baffled by all the hate of The Last Of Us 2. I thought it was frigging great. I feel like many missed the point/meaning of the story. It's not just "revenge is bad." There is a deeper story. I love it. All the groundwork was laid out in The Last Of Us. It is a great overarching story.
@sonicsenryaku6205
@sonicsenryaku6205 Жыл бұрын
I find that a lot of people don't understand why someone could dislike part 2 despite understanding what the game was trying to do and say. As a matter of fact, most people who praise part 2 tend to incorrectly represent why someone could not like it
@k7j007
@k7j007 Жыл бұрын
It's a perfect example of how in the real world your perspective on things isn't exactly how things are . We like to think of things usually as being one thing or the other, ie: group A are the good guys and group B are the bad guys. TLOU2 shows that it is not nearly that simple and in the grand scheme of things there are no good or bad guys. Everyone just tries to survive the best they can and take care of the people they care about. Living in a world like the world of TLOU2 all anyone can really do is deal with situations one at a time as they happen. Unless you know someone's past and what motivates them to do what they do it's difficult or impossible to 100% know for certain that any individual is actually the bad guy.
@mariuszpudzianowski8400
@mariuszpudzianowski8400 Жыл бұрын
Aaaand just like that this channel will never stop being flooded with comments from people who still mourn death of their video game daddy. Which is pretty meta - they go through giref longer than Ellie did.
@thomasshipley7358
@thomasshipley7358 Жыл бұрын
ive felt crazy these last few years. thank you for making this video
@kujasan
@kujasan Жыл бұрын
i rate TLOU2 10/10. I suspect in twenty years people will look back and rate it a corner stone in evolving video game narratives. I am not sure it is a good game. how is this possible? well, a core idea of games in the most narrow sense is fun. tlou2 is, for most of the time, a tour de force (provided the player invests himself in the story). when i finished the game, i felt sick and a bit traumatized. i loved it. but i also wasn't sure if this was... good for my mental health? looking back after two weeks i realized i still thought about it. and i grew more and more fond of the narratives. i hate to devalue opposing views on media simply on those views "not getting it". But in this case, i think people either lack the empathy or the mental strength to buy into the narrative. Well, apart from the bigots, those can fuck themselves. I really, really hope for a final third part in which elli finds self forgiveness and.. well, meaning. i never expected part 2 to end with everyone happy. but if i would change anything, it would be a clearer path to hope in the final scenes.
@manicboyman534
@manicboyman534 Жыл бұрын
The ending totally should've been a players choice kind of thing, I feel like it would've made the ending a little more effective. Otherwise, I actually really loved this game
@akihikosanada2020
@akihikosanada2020 Жыл бұрын
I actually disagree and think a player choice ending would've entirely taken away from the narrative. But I'm glad you enjoy the game!!!
@MrVexedviper
@MrVexedviper Жыл бұрын
No, because if the game had two possible endings, it would screw with the narrative going into part 3
@Jack_Crenshaw
@Jack_Crenshaw Жыл бұрын
@Akihiko Sanada No, not giving the players a choice in the end just shows how piss poor their narrative is and how weakly written the new characters are. If they truly did their job as writers, we would have been able to simpathize with Abby and not kill her. The new characters are at a disadvantage because they only appear in this game, so they need to be well written and likable. Unlike Ellies flashbacks, Abbys does nothing to fleshout her entire squad of characters. After all, half of the new ones only show up in cutscenes and die in cutscenes. The ones that are given time just aren't interesting or likable, for that matter. They should have just scapped Abbys useless flashbacks and just show her squad after the events of the hospital as adolescents and how they eventually found the WLF. The game was too abitious for their own good. It took 2 lousey writers 8 years to come up with this amateur hack story. It's beyond laughably bad. The only saving grace is its level design, animations, and gameplay.
@akihikosanada2020
@akihikosanada2020 Жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Crenshaw I'm sorry you feel that way. But me and many others enjoy it 🤷‍♂️
@Jack_Crenshaw
@Jack_Crenshaw Жыл бұрын
@Akihiko Sanada it's not feelings, it's pointing out actual problems the game has. The story is the weakest part of the game. There's no deying that. Otherwise, the games story would have been universally praised on both sides instead of its animations and accessibility features.
@witzeey6224
@witzeey6224 Жыл бұрын
replaying the game 2 years later, I'm enjoying it now that I know what I like and don't like.
@d8l835
@d8l835 Жыл бұрын
Im afraid to look through comments whenever someone says they like tlou 2
@whitesabbath6581
@whitesabbath6581 Жыл бұрын
Such a powerful game from start to finish. Fuck all the haters.
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
i mean. theres legit reasons to dislike this game cringe dialogue and poor romance execution (which leaves me shocked at how good bill and frank was in the show) poor handling of joel pacing issues garbage ending bland cardboard or just bad side characters (dina and levs sister were alright tho) its misery porn the constant shoving in our face to sympathize with abby (a common complaint that im mixed on tho) lack luster story (personally i think a lot worked and alot didnt) tommy was done dirty and the last of us awards 2020 not acting like hater of this game cant get ridiculous and stupid but then again so can alot of its defenders
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
Pacing issues is the only thing I agree with you, everything else you said is BS lol
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
@@whiskeycompany13 they're really not. Just cause u didn't have these issues doesn't invalidate the issues others had.
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@Z-Mikes00 I guess, they just seem silly.
@Z-Mikes00
@Z-Mikes00 Жыл бұрын
@@whiskeycompany13 people have different experiences and tastes. And tolerances.
@bigblackhawk3919
@bigblackhawk3919 Жыл бұрын
This game is HELLLLLLLLLAAAAA good if you say otherwise you’re jsut salty about Joel
@gerrya2133
@gerrya2133 Жыл бұрын
100% Auto Pickup is the way to go. It reduces unnecessary button presses, helps up find pickups you're supposed to see but won't for various reasons like not having the exact camera angle to turn on the prompt, it reduces the amount of times you scour a room just to make sure you don't miss anything becasue of those times where you did end up finding something on that third time around because finally that prompt showed up. It let's you play the game rather than do busy work.
@Electrical010
@Electrical010 Жыл бұрын
Having it on feels lazy though, even if I was given the option I wouldn't take it.
@spector1892
@spector1892 Жыл бұрын
theres something just satisfying about pressing a button and it doing something. it just makes the game feel more tactile rather than everything being automated
@cobrabear6497
@cobrabear6497 Жыл бұрын
Auto pick up is a must
@gerrya2133
@gerrya2133 Жыл бұрын
@Spector I feel like having it on so your character remains focused on the enemies in the area is more immersive. The idea of Nintendo having Link jump without a jump button in Zelda 64 was a odd concept when introduced but it worked. In a 3D space, Link has a better perspective than the player about when to jump across a gap, and so it's more immersive to just let him do it rather than messing it up and doing it too early or too late and having to so it again. Same with Auto Pick up. You still have to search, but Joel the character has a better perspective on his surroundings and you don't have to micromanage the camera. It's like being able to notice something with your peripheral vision while keeping your eyes focused on more important matters. You still have to manually pick up all the key items and open drawers. It's just the superfluous stuff that is auto picked up.
@Siul_987
@Siul_987 Жыл бұрын
For me is a must, the first 20 hours felt like smashing the triangle button every time I entered a house that I knew will need very specific camera position with around 3 to 6 triangle presses to grab some dumb crafting material and I just activated that feature to automatic grab everything, it just felt right tbh since you grab so much shit per house on part 2.
@anderecontent
@anderecontent Жыл бұрын
"Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views." - Squall Leonhart
@nirvanayang4154
@nirvanayang4154 Жыл бұрын
Great job!
@jacobgordon7998
@jacobgordon7998 Жыл бұрын
TLOU Part II is great. Gameplay is top notch and a natural evolution from Part I. Story is powerful, if not the story I would have told, it's still good for what TPTB aimed for. Whatever warts this game may have, I love it, and find myself wanting more.
@jacobgordon7998
@jacobgordon7998 Жыл бұрын
I have a bunch of random thoughts. Don't agree with some of Stuart's analysis but the efforts are appreciated. We tend to forget that the rules within TLOU universe are different and so the characters within should be judged in that context. Jesse is there to have Ellie and Dina's backs, and at the end of the day to be a red shirt guy. I feel like Jesse didn't get the justice he deserved, maybe not going to Seattle would have been better. Ellie killed people who were trying to kill her (aka in self defense), or people who mouthed off excessively and deserved exactly what they got (Nora). Ellie wasn't evil, but she was in a dark place. One reason Joel wanted to be there for her was so he could help her avoid going to such dark, or even darker places (learn from his mistakes). Absent their interactions with the Jackson crew, I like Abby and her friends. If they had never gone to Jackson everyone would have been better for it. Despite disliking that she killed Joel, I find myself sad for Abby and what she has lost, too. Not so much for her dad, because Joel was right, but for the loss of her lover and her friends. Ellie and Abby cannot be on opposing sides in Part III. If they are, that would negate the point of Part II's ending.
@TheDanimal91
@TheDanimal91 Жыл бұрын
Top notch gameplay? It's the same as the first. Metal gear solid 3 which came out almost 20 years ago has better stealth mechanics than this game.
@jacobgordon7998
@jacobgordon7998 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDanimal91 No, the game play mechanics of Part II are way more advanced than Part II. Please don't bring up some trash game in comparison to TLOU.
@kayveethegoat1573
@kayveethegoat1573 Жыл бұрын
Joels death was trash,
@Fangtorn
@Fangtorn Жыл бұрын
It made sense.
@thorthewolf8801
@thorthewolf8801 Жыл бұрын
@@Fangtorn no.
@Fangtorn
@Fangtorn Жыл бұрын
@@thorthewolf8801 Yes.
@thorthewolf8801
@thorthewolf8801 Жыл бұрын
@@Fangtorn no.
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@thorthewolf8801 yes.
@phantom2615
@phantom2615 Жыл бұрын
8:20 I'm pretty sure the fungus provides nutrition somehow? Idk though
@dyecyde
@dyecyde Жыл бұрын
tlou2 is the best video game story ever told. if u hated it cause joel died the way he did than you’re clearly influenced by emotion in ur reviews. if u hated it as a story than u clearly didn’t understand it
@Henrique-wv9xq
@Henrique-wv9xq Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I disagreed a lot with Nakeyjakey's points in his video. The worst point he made to me was that the combat is too good for a game that "wants to make you feel bad for killing", when I feel that the actual point was to show Ellie's "bloodlust", along with humanizing enemies by giving them names and such, it was never about making you feel bad for killing every enemy, but to show us that they were people too. Anyway I haven't watched his video since it released and I just remember not liking it at all, despite having some valid criticism.
@toffee3944
@toffee3944 Жыл бұрын
Good video, although I'll forever dislike Abby, never liked the whole 'revenge bad' thing some video games use and TLOU2 was the cherry on top of them all to me.
@RobertSimmonsAirship
@RobertSimmonsAirship Жыл бұрын
Revenge good is far more of a cliche than revenge bad.
@xavierlittle3002
@xavierlittle3002 Жыл бұрын
@@RobertSimmonsAirship "You killed my father, prepare to die" is more satisfying though. Playing though hours of the story, Ellie kills plenty of people who were completely unrelated to Joels death just to get to Abby, you kill all of her friends, destroy everything she loved and kill most everyone she called friend. Only to leave her alive after she just slaughtered a battalion's worth of people that weren't even related to people she was hunting? At that point just off the person you set out to kill and go home. "Revenge bad" is cool, don't get me wrong, but bro it just doesn't add up to the carnage Ellie leaves in her wake. Deadass murders everyone and everything in her hunt for Abby, loses her friend, nearly gets her girlfriend killed, loses a finger, nearly loses Tommy, then right as she's there, right as she's about to make sure everything wasn't in vain, she backs out. Like bruh, ALL OF THAT FOR NOTHING!? Shit's fucked up man.
@em.5941
@em.5941 Жыл бұрын
@@xavierlittle3002 while I understand your point, its clear you missed the whole bigger picture for the ending.
@thorthewolf8801
@thorthewolf8801 Жыл бұрын
@@em.5941 or it just didnt make sense.
@whiskeycompany13
@whiskeycompany13 Жыл бұрын
@@xavierlittle3002 Even If she kills Abby all of those people would have still died for nothing
@93BossRoss
@93BossRoss Жыл бұрын
I mean, she never set out for revenge against the others. They died for standing in her way. Which I guess doesn't make it much better, but whatever.
@umbela5646
@umbela5646 Жыл бұрын
i laughed at the thumbnail, somethink about the straight up "i liked it" is so funny
@meleestarter5025
@meleestarter5025 Жыл бұрын
sucks I can't see how many dislikes this video has.. the ratio must be CRAZY considering this video was recommended to me and it's three days old, yeah it must be huge
@Alpha1918
@Alpha1918 Жыл бұрын
fr lol
@masterfiregg4346
@masterfiregg4346 Жыл бұрын
193 likes and 61 dislikes actually make it 62 dislikes
@wulfgang
@wulfgang Жыл бұрын
you're still this upset about a game 2 years later? awwww
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