I think it also undermines that moment in Gold stars where he says “Before there was nothing, there were monsters.” The Lich has lived through nothing before. And I always imagined his original goal was to destroy all life and reset the universe back to nothing and then let entropy take its course to create a universe of chaos filled with monsters. I always imagined that GOLB would be the natural ruler of the monsters that came before nothing. Regardless of if that theory didn’t pan out, that moment in Gold Stars did seem to imply that the Lich’s extermination of life had a goal to go back to the time of monsters. Him being the last scholar of GOLB was in line with that.

I really hate the last two episodes of fionna and cake, they ruined everything. For me, the Lich in episode 8 was represented in a good way, he didn't seem to have lost his purpose or anything, he just seemed to be waiting, like he always does when there's nothing to do

I was looking back on episodes and there's something I and everyone else has forgotten. Thanks for the videos I love them by the way. This Lich made a wish with Prismo. Remember what Prisma said you have to be careful how you phrase wishes because all his wishes have monkey paw effects. No one's immune to it except for a few, the Lich already showed that he's not immune to magical effects. I'm pretty sure the others Liches didn't do it by a wish. This one cheated taking a shortcut and he paid for it. Now he's depressed and has nothing left to do. If you sit there and think about there's a reason why the one from distant land did not know about this Lich because he was forgotten. We know what happens when GOLB erases someone that can't come back. When he turns them into the block it has to sever the connection to the other. When you first meet GOLB he has several green blocks around his head. Which means that he is not the first Lich to meet GOLB. None of them know what happened to the others all they know they are with GOLB. Which I think is an actual gift keeping all his around him. It is a chaos god. Since it's fused with Betty she made it more of a punishment. He still is a force of nature because he made himself a force of nature with pure determination.

If Golb is embodiment of chaos, why would Lich think that chaos will pay attention to one of infinite (or very very many) pieces within the multiverse? is he stupid 💀

My new head canon is that The Lich never showed up in Fionna & Cake, and it was all just one bad dream.

I know theres probably worse examples, but I dont know of any villain getting shafted this hard He went from a universal constant, an embodiment of the end, a being so powerful even beings like Death and Hunson Abadeer are unsettled by him, a being that existed before time and has taken many forms such as the meteor that killed the dinosaurs to some dumbass cultist on the same wavelength as simp Thanos from marvel comics, but arguably worse not to mention they handled the "what if the villain wins" question horribly. Even the MCU, as much as I hate it, did it better when Thanos succeeded

100% character assasination

This could've been fixed by the lich being turned on when he felt the presence of living beings and in the moment he was going to kill Simon golbetty acts. Lich still gets pissed off because he was stopped from doing his purpose but still makes him feel more like a presence with ideals and desires than whatever we got

Just gonna say what I said last time “Does make you wonder if this Lich was depressed, and got turned to Tetris, does that mean that farmworld Lich knew about his fate, and pursued his goal anyways as he wanted to spite Golb now instead of worship him? That’s some pretty cool character development if it’s true, as he’d go from being a depressed guy who lost purposed to a vengeful demigod trying to spite his “master” who didn’t recognise his work. Here’s how I’d fix the Lich Something I didn’t like about the Lich was that in the original series, he was arguably a bigger threat in the OG series than in Fionna and cake. Farmworld Lich and Jerry Lich (original Jerry) always schemed and planned from the shadows, with farmworld Lich now existing everywhere now, and Jerry Lich planning on using the citadel criminals to build an army (which failed however) Lich in Fionna and Cake isn’t scheming further to continue his goals like farmworld Lich and it seemingly contradicts the future events in the series to, with Farmworld Lich not losing a sense of purpose and continuing on with his goal despite Golb turning one of his vessels into a Tetris block. A better idea would’ve been that after Lich found Simon, he’d realise that is wish was half fruitful and would pursuit his goal further, but before he could kill Simon, he’d realise that Betty’s wish protects him, which in his mind means that Golb protects him. Because of this, Lich similarly to what he did with Sweat P would ask Simon to join him and become another scholar of Golb. Simon would go along with the offer to protect Fionna and Cake, promising Lich that he can take him to Golb. Most of the events from the finale would take place, but with a major difference, that being Lich no longer sees Golb as his deity, due to him being fused with Betty. After Lich would mock and get angry at Golbetty, calling her weak and the sorts for protecting Simon, saying it’s not the way or something. Golbetty would fight the Lich, and Lich would put up a good fight unlike in canon due to the fact that unlike Margles, Lich is a key feature of the multiverse unlike Margles, but still become a Tetris block due to the fact that Golbetty is a stronger concept than the Lich. Before becoming said block though, Lich would swear vengeance on Golbetty and Simon, proclaiming that even if he is destroyed in that dimension, he’s already existent in every dimension and that the land of the dead would be his next target, and soon reincarnation itself would end, before letting out a laugh like he did in mortal folly. But that’s just my idea.

Thank you for pointing out the continuity errors. Nobody seems to be talking about it. Also, wouldn't it had made more sense if Scarab was made to be the religous zealot?

I like the idea that a reason the Lich is unhappy in the universe he killed everything isn’t actually because he is naturally more human but rather because he didn’t make a perfect wish, and therefore it needs unintended consequences. He is the only one in this universes existence who could experience any unintended consequences (Aside from robots) so the wish actually had to change the lich. We know wishes can create entities that are considered the same even if they act differently, since Finn exists without a catalyst comet it’s possible the wish in a similar way removed part of what makes the Lich the same Lich from the main timeline. This theory doesn’t have a lot to go on, but to me this makes sense

Making the lich emotionally understandable changes the character completely. I cannot undersell what a downgrade changing "impossibility of compromise" to "unlikelihood of compromise" really is when facing the lich.

To quote Pendleton Ward's iconic original Lich concept "THE LICH KING IS NOT FUNNY. The Lich King embodies absolute evil." That's what made him so great in the original series. The new characterization was just piss poor in comparison. The whole mess felt like fan fiction with desperate attempt for cheap hype by having an iconic bad guy gets humbled by the iconic bigger bad guy but the foundations of the character writing are not prioritized. The Lich doesn't need to be "relatable". "Scholar" is quite a specific wording, yet from what the F&C writers show, he might aswell just drop that epithet and call himself the last simp of Golb and get it over with. Because this pathetic shit doesn't look very "scholar" worthy 😂 like what does that even mean. It's ridiculous, him of all people should know Golb is the embodiment of chaos itself. Expecting a reward from Golb for killing all life as Lich's MOTIVE doesn't make any sense. F&C show trying to be more "adult" somehow ended up being dumber than the original AT which was a kids show. The original Lich was a cold and menacing killing machine, sure he occasionally spits some really hard lines and laughs sadistically. That doesn't make him "humanized" unlike in F&C. At best he was just an eldritch evil being capable of talking and reflexively reacts when something surprised him. What does Lich do when there's nothing he can do, does he breakdown and cry or get emotional. No, he simply just s t o p s. But now he's just a complete joke who gets depressed because he didn't have a plan on what to do after he killed everything. What a farcry from his legacy as a character. They killed off such an iconic villain just for cheap fanservice. Imagine all the powerscaling kids going wild "OMG The GOLB DESTROYS LICH SO EPICC WOWWW" I couldn't give less shit. It's never about how powerful or weak so and so is. The Lich not being all powerful and people can take him on is what made him interesting and entertaining. Now that his portrayal is bastardized. What's left? Other than what, Scarab? Some sunday morning cartoon baddies on the "mature" spin-off. Lich was so perfect. What he is to Adventure time is like what Diesel 10 was to Thomas the tank engine or a better analogy would be "that one thing" in every children JRPGs. If it wasn't already clear enough I could not care about him being taken out by Golb (although if the character was written and fleshed out properly he wouldn't need to meet Golb to begin with?) They didn't have to make him throw a childish fit and draw him with the most emotion he has ever shown in the series. They botched up his legacy. The beauty of the lich was the fact that he's been defeated and stopped and sealed so many times yet he keeps coming back like a neverending nightmare. Now he's just a depressed bum that doesn't even know what he's doing or why he started any of this in the first place, scholar or what even. Ffs the writers should've actually fleshed out his character by brainstorming a proper origin and history behind him and this scholar nonsense so they wouldn't have fucked up this badly.

and...ONE non-reupload for the road. Also, to give you reference. My average video has a script 1-3 pages...

One thing I hated was howt this scene looks like it explains stuff that was always left up in the air, but really only makes it more complicated and contradictory. So the Lich STUDIED the ways of Golb. Ok, we saw Simon study his mythology before the Mushroom War in Come Along With Me so clearly its possible. But then, what the hell is the Lich? Before, we could just say "Well, he's a Primordial" or "Well, he's some creation of Golb", but is he? We only thought that because he had knowledge of the monsters before time and called himself a scholar of Golb, but clearly he gave himself that title without exactly consulting the deity, he only studied him, and poorly too given how he thinks being the vessel of Chaos personified means wanting to achieve a lifeless world (I doubt that's whar Golb wants), so maybe he doesn't even have anything at all to do with Primordials, he just read of them in his Sixth Grade Schoolguide To Understanding Golb. So what the hell is the Lich? We know that what we call the Lich only was born after the Mushroom War, given Farmworld, but obviously the essence of the Green Comet was around for some 65 milion years. What was he doing all that time? Why did Marceline imply the Lich was behind the Bomb, was he possibly reincarnated as some kind of dictator during the War? What was he doing for a centuries before getting defeated by Billy and for eons before incarnating in the Lich? Was he travelling around studying Golb? All this could make for super interesting material, and its been up in the air for a literal decade now.

I honestly like what they did to Lich and makes total sense in my mind. Golb created the primordials and assuming the lich is a primordial it makes total sense for the devotion that he has for his creator, just like thousands of humans society had. He probably assume golb would appreciate mass extinction cause he created beings who despise life, it makes sense that he thought golb gave a bigger porpoise on creating him (again, just like we do). I really loved the ideia of this absolutely powerful creature realizing he lived a lie that he created and even learning other aspects of existence he didn't considered before (assuming he made some kind relationship with bmo), it's very real thing that happens in the real world I think most people didn't like it because of their own expectations that the lich was this unbotered true evil creature that just killed everyone cause he was created for that, when in reality he never said that, other characters in the show said that about him. He never was this cosmic being that was above human understanding. He's just a very powerful creature that hates life (like all primordials) and thought he had a bigger purpose. When other primordials are just masochists with no ryme or reason. He was just a dumb religious fanatic and no one in the show said he wasn't, the fandom created that, its their fault that their expectations based on nothing weren't met.

I liked how they made something that makes more sense and is not as predictable. Lich is some really powerful mage/cosmic being that wanted to feel special and made people believe he was and simply used Golb's name to justify his horrible acts.

i know exactly how they can fix this. they can make his plan this entire time was make an opening to get close to golb, just to kill golb, and absorb their power. this would explain the bad writing, and would continue his legacy as an unwavering monster.

You said the concepts they were working with were good just the execution was bad how would you personally had handled it?

More about the Lick hand ✋️ it should be in the same universe as that Lick since he is in every universe now.

you know... I do agree when you explain it in this way. I always felt like there was something I didn't like but this puts it into words. honestly the main reason I liked it at first was because of SCP weirdly enough. specifically the story "the end of all but me" where an omnicidal immortal creature fails in killing all life but instead humans simply wipe themselves out anticlimactically. and so it sits there on a dead world for eons watching the stars in the sky die. and when a ship lands on the planet and humans walk off of it, since some left the planet countless billions or trillions of years ago, his rage returns but he does nothing. he wants to kill them, he knows he could do so very easily, but he doesn't. why? because why should he, all it would do is leave him alone again, and all he has to do is wait a little and they will all be dead anyway. that was my first though when the lich didn't kill Fionna, cake, and Simon. I compared it to that story and though that he simply didn't care because they would die soon anyways. after all everything is dead, they are not going to be able to survive for long. my only problem was that he had to have known they came from another universe and yet he didn't take advantage of that. I assumed the final episode would involve that but it didn't really.

It really was a poorly executed send off to one of their best characters. I feel like this would've been a way stronger scene if the Lich approached Golb with his same maniacal attitude versus the "angry" and "betrayed" vibes he shows here. Perhaps he praises Golb, presents his dead world as the ultimate offering to them, and when Golb turns him into Tetris, the lich doesn't scream, but instead laughs the same way he always did when he got his way, implying that's what he wanted from the beginning.

The person responsible, again, is Muto. It was he, several years ago, who compared the Lich to Skeletor from He-Man. When you make those types of comparisons, you immediately realize that you didn't understand a character in the series you direct. For two reasons: a) his story was not structured enough, b) with the little that there is, you are not interested in it and you are looking to do something else. Muto chose a) and b). The purpose of the Lich is the 'death' of life and death, in all universes, in all their timelines. This escalated. The personal tragedies of Finn, Marceline, Princess Bubblegum, etc., with which many of us identify, are NOT intrinsic to him, although it is not difficult for him to simulate them to achieve his goal. So, for example, he managed to open the portal to access Prismo's room, etc. The pathetic moments that we attribute to him, we do so because that makes sense in OUR perspective, in his it doesn't make that sense and even then, he manages to take advantage of it. For example, that his presence was reduced to a hand... but that way he managed to access the multiverse, etc. To summarize it, the Lich is an exclusive singularity, he does not hate (he is a radically different villain than Agent Mace, from Infinity Train), he does not love, he does not sacrifice himself, for us his purpose is absurd, in the same way that Muto came to the conclusion I indicated above, but that's what made him interesting in the series. Because? Because there is nothing human that resembles it. Anyway, the second season can make up for this by clarifying the 'consciousness' of the multiple Lichs, etc., but the damage has already been done.

The entirety of fionna and cake last episodes was torturing me. Betty and Simon, the sudden appearance of the other characters, the lich’s handling, all the concepts that could have been explored thrown away.

Agreed however I have one critique. He may not be connected to his other selves once he enters Golbs void. If so none of his variants would know what happens once he enters the void and may very well think they reach eternal glory. This would make sense as it would anchor the lich to a lesser standing in comparison to Golb. Him not knowing how it all ends while his master does.

Amazing review, I have some other critiques but im still thinking it through before i explain my own thoughts on this situation.

I understand why people would think this undermines The Lich's character, and yes, in a way it does, but I've always enjoyed the way Fionna and Cake handled The Lich. It just felt very interesting to me that they decided to add in a new level of depth to The Lich by giving him a new motivation that we hadn't seen before. I do agree that it does conflict with his presentation in the original series, but I've found an interpretation that I like that helps build up his character more imo. GOLB clearly doesn't have a personality, he doesn't think, and therefore he clearly didn't want The Lich to destroy all life. So then, what made The Lich think this? Well, I think the best way to think about this is to consider The Lich as a religious man that twisted the word of his God to better fit the vision that he himself had for the word. In other words, we can infer that The Lich has always had a desire to destroy all life since he was a catalyst comet, but since he was a literal rock it is unlikely that he somehow managed to study GOLB on his way on Earth, so I think that instead of The Lich beginning to worship GOLB and then plotting to end all life, I think it's more likely for him to want to end all life and then begin to worship GOLB. Basically The Lich has always felt the need to end all life because that is what he was born and wanted to do, he is the literal embodiment of evil and death, and at some point afterwards become a follower of GOLB (who might've actually been his creator if you look at the evidence) just so he could justify his own twisted worldview. And in the end, when he realized that the views he had projected onto GOLB were simply his own delusions, he breaks, he is unable to handle the idea that he was wrong about GOLB, and in the end he never receives an answer from his God.

Sometimes, it's really what the audience doesn't know about the character that makes them interesting to engage with more. No matter how you slice it, it just turns the Lich from an unstoppable force of nature to a delusional madman wanting destroy everything for GOLB-sama's approval. Kinda waters down his threat level, or maybe villain status, even if it is an interesting take on the character I honestly gel with. Sorta like the Crusaders being men of God and but committing genocides in his name, even though it against what the Bible says. Maybe comics Thanos and his "relationship" with Lady Death would better suit this example. Regardless, it's a justification for all their vile actions. Problems are, we don't what GOLB actually wants, since he and GOLBetty by extension don't talk. It also makes everything the Lich says look performative, even if he is religious. Though religiousness is speculation as we don't know what the connection between the two is. Maybe it's the episode's execution coupled with said portrayal against everything we've seen from the Lich beforehand that makes it feel like tonal whiplash. And everybody feels that it ruined him is justified since it is kinda played off like a joke and making him a joke. Much like how Thanos is always lusting after that Deathussy, despite how he bodies everybody and make people prefer the movies more. Also, with how the Lich acts, it seems like he was doing it for himself being this cosmic entity before time and didn't need a justification to destroy everything. To the people who don't like, it's just derailing. Just my thoughts.

something i never understood was where you got the idea that the lich is connected to all other liches. I still dont know what you are referring to in farmworld that would imply this.

Lich feels like a classic dnd campaign type villain. Evil lich serves a dark god. What happens if they fail? What happens if they succeed? liches typically were once normal people. Ik adventure time lore is different but the lich had a form of personality it was just not much of one on the surface. Besides what is a fragment that feels nothing but depression compared to the many still doing their purpose? Wonder how much time it takes to break an immortal being? Do all universes time's flow at the same rate? many questions.

I'm currently working on 4 different KZfaq videos ATM, but you've raised a lot of interesting points in this video. I'll work on a short response video going over what I agree with, and what I disagree with.

I'm ok with this because it is just one of the litches in one of the universes. Some of them are way more ambitious than this one. One litch simp don't mean all litch simp. edit: I commented this a little too soon. But still this litch feels disconnected from the rest. The one in distand lands is a litch that was split into multiple universes and so he could be a hivemind/omnipresent litch with the rest of the "multiverse litches". While all the normal litches are just litches that might have variations from universe to universe.

The only thing I get with this is: Chad Farmworld Lich Virgin extintworld Lich However, I have may own thoughts of why Farmworld Lich keep wanting to destroy all life despite knowing one of his versions fate

I think the Liches character was misutilised by being haphazardly used as a one-dimentional vehicle to further the main theme of the plot on how "boohoo everyone is so sad, miserable and unfuffiled", it kinda reminds me of the characterisation of Dr.Nefarious in Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart where just about every previously shown and established aspect and nuance of him got rejected just to make him into "the villain that always loses" just to fit his role in the story better because thats what the writer felt like

This series was a drag...how can they make adventure time so corny and unfunny...

Just to ease the pain of the people in the comments this is only one version of the Lich, he still exists EVERYWHERE all at once

It still isn't as bad as how they ruined discord from my little pony

I still think the idea of every Lich being the same to a boring idea. Universe Singularities stifle creativity.

To me I think it makes sense, the lich was a primordial while extremely powerful all the ones we’ve seen worked for their own means. Golb is a force of creation above the primordials, he is the only one who acts on instinct alone, it makes sense the primordials would worship the only thing above them, while not understanding it. The scholars of golb was probably a primordial cult that made up the lich’s purpose, and once he achieved his goal he realized it was fake from the beginning, and he didn’t actually understand golb.

No lie his shadow puppet game is amazing all I can make is a dog with one hand

In hindsight, it would've been cool if the Lich's tantrum was more about Betty/Simon managing to contact Goob so easily when he hasn't been able to for all of his existence, perhaps even turning into a "then I shall kill chaos itself" speech

Honestly, i think this Lich is the reason that the Lich upgraded his goal from destroying a single universe to destroying the whole multiverse Or else, we can only assume that the Lich that turned into tetris was erased from the "Lich network"

While I get your point I still disagree with you arguing that all versions of the Lich are this hive mind. I know the Lich hand's dialogue but that version was under unique circumstances; the Enchiridion basically photocopied the hand Jake absentmindedly dropped into the portal. Those Liches having a hive mind makes sense. All Liches having this heightened awareness feels kind of OP even for him and asides from a comment from the Lich hand this implied semi-omnipresence wasn't really part of the character. Since they're all copies of the same timeline variant those Liches would make sense having a hive mind. Him saying that "you bested me on many worlds" is probably the Lich Hand observing the Liches native to that timeline up to their shenanigans. He spent a whole season or so waiting to put his plan with Sweet P into plan; I think if he had all of Prime Lich's memories from the get go he would've acted sooner but like when Prime Lich was a snail he needs to gather information to make the right plan. And yes, before you ask I am aware Farmworld Lich got the Enchiridion but that Lich had already been manifested for some time so he could've spent time off-screen finding something to help his omnicidal plan

Yes.

The Lich was really atmospherically cool but I always felt he was kind of inconsistent in writing. He was defeated by Billy but not by the gauntlet, finn splits his skull with a sweater (and love to counteract his entropy), he uses chemicals to upgrade himself as princess bubblegum and just frozen solid to defeat them. he splits his hand accidentally across all reality and maybe has cross dimensional awareness but is never confirmed or explained, then he comes out of nowhere in the 37 dead worlds for one last under utilized appearance. The way I see it he's had many of mistakes before this in creation. Not saying this doesn't create plot holes though I would argue that GOLBs void is outside reality so may create memory link issues.

i didnt like the lich being a servant of golb because it takes away his agency. I liked the lich more when he was a "force of nature" and his own villian. I don't like that hes just a minion of golb. its like thanos in the comics vs thanos in the mcu. the mcu version of thanos is a man with his own plan as opposed to the comic version who was just the simp minion of mistress death.

Honestly, I just think that the lich just has the knowledge that the multiverse exists but isn't a hivemind.

Ehy, i absolutely LOVE your videos, but i was wondering if you'd ever do some kinda of tier list or ranking for the strenght and power of the characters and magical items.

SPOT ON!!! For me personally, I think the Lich works best as the inevitable end of all things. He still showed personally and emotion, but his inhuman drive and patience made him seem alien enough to feel like he was truly beyond everyone else

crying emoji crying emoji crying emoji whyyyyyyy

Simon stole the show *in a bad way* (stopped being about Finn and Jake, yknow, the actual protagonists)

It doesn’t take place before distant lands, it takes place before “together again”. Simon in “obsidian” doesn’t have the gray hair that he does in “fionna and cake”

Hey, dont jar down on religious fanatics, both in real life and fiction they are usually the worst of the worst- mainly because belief and determination is what fuels characters but still

I think people who have this take are just crybabies ngl

this makes sense.

ima say it lich to me looks like "priest" he "does" what he does for his "god" but in his own vision(just like in church you can praise god in many ways) when he did what he "thought" was his only meaning in live he was empty and tried to blame golb since -"hey there's NO WAY im the problem nah it MUST be his fault. I cannot confess that I made myself this empty"

To be honest, even during Adventure Times' main the Lich made an impression as being a joke, not really farseeing and not that much of a threat to begin with.

I don’t like Jerry, I prefer the Lich with difference

Yeah my last comment in retrospect was pretty fucking bad. What i MEANT was i always saw it as this: the lich was a metaphorical embodiment of something while golb was a literal embodiment. The lich always showed personality, with the pride he showed in his speeches, his pain he felt when turning into sweetpea, him laughing after he killed prismo. While golb never showed any emotion, the only time he reacted to anything was when he was literally dying. He never showed any signs of life, he felt alot more like a machine then lich. The lich also said in one of his speeches that he was a scoller of golb, as in he was following his ways as a follower. ALSO the lich was a primordial, a (somewhat) living being. While golb is completely unkillible the lich has died multiple times throughout the series. The lich was always this embodiment of death, just not a literal one. Also yeah again my earlier comment was really fucking stupid so i apologize for that 💀💀💀

I get what your saying, and sure the last 2 episodes of Fionna & Cake aren't the best, but to the point of fionna and cake taking place before together again, that lich we see in the dead worlds isnt the same as the one from the quite literally dead world, the lich in together again is the (or part of the) one from farmworld, and i dont think it was ever stated that the lich shares memories throughout the multiverse, so the argument for that plot hole completely falls through. Also, i think alot of the problem people see with it is seeing the lich as completely evil, no reason, no rhyme, so seeing that sudden change can be quite disorienting im sure, but i honestly like what they did with the lich, even if it could've been written a bit better.

I think the only version of The Lich that is linked to all universes is the FarmWorld version. And he knows everything because the hand of The Lich that fell into the multiverse is the same dividing hand in all universes, and it witnesses everything that happens in those universes at the same time. I believe that the hand not only physically multiplied in the multiverse, but its consciousness also divided into all universes. And he has the knowledge of the original Lich because he investigated what happened to his version of the original universe, and why he transformed into SweetP. But I do not believe that he is a being that has multiversal awareness from the essence of him. I don't think he's a primordial either. It is only the powerful essence of a catalytic comet. And he only knows about the primordial ones because, by dedicating himself to Golb, he learned everything about him.

Have you not watched adventure time? The lich only wants to destroy all life in his own universe because he operates under the assunption that all the other liches would do the same. He doesnt work for golb, he just worships him and does what he believes golb wants which is pretty much the basis of religion. We knew from that one scene where hand lich talks to finn that he is a SCHOLAR of golb not a servant. He just does what he believes has been shown and once hes done that he is depresses and lost all meaning, it makes sense and is brilliant writing. What yoy fail to remember is that the lich literally is a living being with emotions and an agenda but he purposefully throws that away to achieve a goal that he believes he was made for and once he accomplishes it and figures out it was for nothing it makes him feel worthless and small. Making him reflect simon was great because just like the lich, simon has lost all purpose. Simons whole purpose for centuries was to find his way back to betty and now that he knows its unobtainable he feels like it was all just a waste of time, the main difference being is simon got his closure and was contempt with his life choices while the lich still lacks that closure. The lich's mindstate is what simons could have been if not for his deep connection to betty

nope it didn't still ruin the lich like he always worpshied golb

i don’t think this criticism makes sense. there’s no concrete evidence that the lich is the one singular being who can exist in all universes but also be connected to all. the example you posited dosent prove that to be the case definitively.

I find it doesn’t detract a lot from his character because at the end of the day he still enjoys causing mass death given how he sadistically killed others like Billy and Prismo, that part of him has always existed and will continue to do so. Golb’s reputation of destructive chaos and erasure of realities just gave him a grander cosmic narrative to believe in which was why he was furious that his deity was ignoring him and leaving trapped in a miserable state where his passion was gone. Hopefully the writers can develop from this in that the Lich moves on from Golb and spites him by continuing his efforts to destroy all life for nothing other than his own sick pleasure and nihilism towards existence.

I think you are trying to put the way his story is told in a way that is told thoroughly when in actuality the way lore and stories are told in adventure time is supposed to be vague and sometimes never explained it’s like putting the story of dory told in horror and not life like ya know?