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The Lipsync That Completely Changed Season 8

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JackFed

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@neeliknowsnothing
@neeliknowsnothing 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy how thoughtful you are in these videos- genuinely critical, and not trying to just "pull down" the queens or the show/Ru. You also don't present all of these thoughts as being completely original/your own and instead are transparent with the context of the discussion within the fandom. It's really refreshing for drag race youtube. also Naomi Smalls is the moment. Now c'mon now.
@JackFedYT
@JackFedYT 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the kind words! The last thing I would ever want to do is tear down a queen or the work of anyone on the show because producing a show for millions to watch is a really tough job. I criticize the producers a lot of the time for their decision making and rigging, but at the end of the day I understand no season can be without a little manipulation. It's also easier to direct attention to the faults of the producers, partially because they have the most control, and because they are mostly nameless and faceless. Directing the bulk of negative energy I have towards people who don't really get affected by what I have to say helps keep hate low and vibes good. I try to never blame queens for behavior on the show or criticize their talent because who tf am I to say who can do drag. As for the content and originality, of course people are going to have overlapping opinions. It's come to my attention that people are calling copy cat on a lot of the drag race KZfaq channels as of recent, so I both try to stay clear of that and be transparent if I do unintentionally steal an idea. At the end of the day we all love the show and we are a really niche community. We will pick up on a lot of the same things, so if someone happens to come out with a "deep dive" style video I really don't care. The more the merrier! It's content I love to make and if people are inspired by these types of videos and want to emulate it in their own way, I 1000% take that as a compliment. I am just into really stylized video essays and want to improve that craft, so doing it on something I love like RPDR helps me improve on each video. Anyways, sorry for that long winded response lol. I just feel extremely rewarded and grateful that so many of you vibe with what I'm doing.
@keane2160
@keane2160 2 жыл бұрын
ikrr, i love how he doesnt overdramatize it
@emi-fr5mf
@emi-fr5mf 2 жыл бұрын
totally agree! subbing rn 😌
@atandienando9121
@atandienando9121 2 жыл бұрын
🗞️
@skyco5395
@skyco5395 2 жыл бұрын
wow naomi is really the wild card of both her seasons even while not having a kooky personality
@nara_saya
@nara_saya 2 жыл бұрын
She’s black horse of the season 8
@daniel6678
@daniel6678 2 жыл бұрын
“wild card” really is the perfect word for her - you never know what to expect from her and her abilities
@CuckooGames
@CuckooGames 2 жыл бұрын
Umm she literally was cocky throughout all stars
@daniel6678
@daniel6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@CuckooGames I think they meant kooky, not cocky
@CuckooGames
@CuckooGames 2 жыл бұрын
@@daniel6678 makes sense
@davidm2345
@davidm2345 2 жыл бұрын
i’m shocked acid still hasn’t been on all stars yet considering she dominated 4/5 episodes she was in, was a fashion queen, and was a villain.
@hued2542
@hued2542 2 жыл бұрын
drag race is just so focused on conforming to the norm then shaping, so expect betty in AS8
@DearDanny
@DearDanny 2 жыл бұрын
I fucking adore Betty, her being a bitch doesn't take away her incredible talent and remembering what she did for Cynthia almost makes me cry
@kokomi277
@kokomi277 2 жыл бұрын
@@DearDanny what did she do for cynthia?
@DearDanny
@DearDanny 2 жыл бұрын
@@kokomi277 she took care of Cynthia when she had cancer
@jeanvanwanrooy127
@jeanvanwanrooy127 2 жыл бұрын
Betty is incredible. Her drag is amazing, stunning. I want her back! I was shocked she was eliminated.
@ait8551
@ait8551 2 жыл бұрын
The best part about Naomi's storyline is when she returned for all stars she absolutely killed the challenges she previously did alright or bad in like snatch game
@iandean1112
@iandean1112 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. Her looks weren't clockable either.
@davidkonevky7372
@davidkonevky7372 Жыл бұрын
​​@@iandean1112 and the fact that she knew how to make them goofy and fashionable at the same time made her even more camp
@BobTheDragQueen
@BobTheDragQueen 2 жыл бұрын
4:05. . . . who are you talking about here? lol
@JackFedYT
@JackFedYT 2 жыл бұрын
Betty! You ruled the show the entire time though. Also I’m freaking out that you saw this video and I love you so much
@chase-tt1xz
@chase-tt1xz 2 жыл бұрын
omg bob!!
@Clublander32
@Clublander32 2 жыл бұрын
ROBERTA
@poundcake681
@poundcake681 2 жыл бұрын
Come through Bob!
@emmymatt
@emmymatt 2 жыл бұрын
BOBBY TURNTER what are you doing here
@vinnie906
@vinnie906 2 жыл бұрын
"I don't think a single queen is cast on RuPaul's Drag Race just to get eliminated or fluff out the cast." Except for Serena.
@aaroncallahan119
@aaroncallahan119 2 жыл бұрын
Lololol
@vevvish504
@vevvish504 2 жыл бұрын
The shade
@1934jackson
@1934jackson 2 жыл бұрын
It’s shady but true … especially in all Stars 6.
@hotsexyangel
@hotsexyangel 2 жыл бұрын
@@1934jackson True and I felt so bad for her. Her drag had really grown since her season and she didn’t even get to showcase it :(
@givemeliberty700
@givemeliberty700 2 жыл бұрын
Lets be real we all knew Serena was going home first on all stars 6
@TheGhostley
@TheGhostley 2 жыл бұрын
Naomi broke both of the seasons she was in, i love when Queens change the system
@mirensummers7633
@mirensummers7633 2 жыл бұрын
*club 96*
@yuililith
@yuililith Жыл бұрын
She broke the main series AND ALL STARS.
@andrewmelillo3235
@andrewmelillo3235 2 ай бұрын
She's the biggest threat to the producers 😂
@mattveslino252
@mattveslino252 2 жыл бұрын
I will die on the hill that Naomi is one of the few queens who's way more insanely competitive than what the show lets us in on. She single-handedly sent home the front-runners of BOTH the seasons she was on, and she did not hesitate to do so. I fully believe that she's also very aware of All-Stars' elimination process pre-AS5, and if you put her on any of AS2/3/higher positions on AS4, she would've done the same exact thing - send home the front-runner because she knows THAT'S how you play the game. I'm willing to be that if she was in a Top 2 on AS2, she would've sent home Alaska. If on AS3, she would've sent home DeLa, Trixie, and Shangela. And if Naomi won more on AS4, she would've sent home Trinity. Naomi is smart, cunning, and strategic - AND she has the skills and personality to back it up. She's more than legs and fashion, she's brains too.
@jhubeJELLO
@jhubeJELLO 2 жыл бұрын
Would she had sent Trixie home? Trixies track record wasnt that great on her second run, either
@ppstar87
@ppstar87 Жыл бұрын
@@jhubeJELLOagreed, shangela was definitely robbed imo😢
@mustlovebooknerd
@mustlovebooknerd 11 ай бұрын
@@jhubeJELLO People love to say Trixie's track record wasn't great but her track record was SAFE, SAFE, HIGH (would've probably been Top 2 if Milk hadn't sabotaged her chances), BOTTOM, TOP, BOTTOM (but only bc everyone who wasn't top was bottom), TOP. She was never low, one of her bottom placements was only by default (IQ Kitty would've placed higher than Diva Kitty and Sparkle Kitty), and even her "safe" performances (her performing one of the songs she wrote from one of her chart-topping folk albums and her as Dolly Parton) were pretty strong. I know it's all opinion, but it's kinda bunk that the perception is that she did a weak job when she did a pretty good job. She just got overlooked because Ben and Shangela were DOMINATING and her one deserved bottom placement was such a shocking and memorable fail.
@jaijaibinxno6064
@jaijaibinxno6064 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly Betty not being in any AS season's is homophobic, and Naomi not being invited as a lip sync assassin is also homophobic
@mirensummers7633
@mirensummers7633 2 жыл бұрын
maybe she didn't wanna be, lots of queens have said since their season they don't want that stress again, would love to see more of her tho
@victorsartori277
@victorsartori277 2 жыл бұрын
maybe they're saving Naomi for when they want a queen to lose
@ejirokirishima4604
@ejirokirishima4604 2 жыл бұрын
I think this lip sync is the reason, that most of the front runners arent put in lip syncs early anymore, like gigi, shitty or sliky, just because of the fear they get thrown out and lose their narrative
@iain9757
@iain9757 2 жыл бұрын
Oh massively especially because they are scared the online fans will stop watching
@bongchoof
@bongchoof 2 жыл бұрын
gigi isn't a bad lipsyncher ffs. she did great in all 3 of the season 12 finale ones
@ejirokirishima4604
@ejirokirishima4604 2 жыл бұрын
@@bongchoof yeah but she would have faced of against widow in a shaqa kan lip sync when everything would be fairly judged, she would have never won that
@sunnygolightly9996
@sunnygolightly9996 2 жыл бұрын
@@ejirokirishima4604 *Cough* Widow *Cough*
@adamwenham3
@adamwenham3 2 жыл бұрын
and also Gottmik avoiding lip sync in the discomentary episode - i love her but they defo gave her a golden ticket to the finale
@TN-cn8kk
@TN-cn8kk 2 жыл бұрын
The leaked footage of her accepting the crown “it’s about time a big girl won” always sends me cackling. She’s a smart, beautiful, grounded queen, who I think is unfortunately marred by the pulling of the Manila lipstick :/
@Juanmaligno
@Juanmaligno 2 жыл бұрын
She isn't really held back by the Manila thing though even when it aired it was a gag but not alot of hate for Naomi just people going the NERVE, also rupauls face when she said the big girl wins is so funny a literal face Crack
@jexzamycorpuz1472
@jexzamycorpuz1472 Жыл бұрын
I'm from the Philippines and i wasn't mad when i saw it, as much as I love Manila, she brought it to herself , naomi only did what Manila said she'll do 😅
@iCodeSwitch
@iCodeSwitch 8 ай бұрын
I've never seeeeeen this, and a whole year after your comment, I'm cracking tf UP
@MisterPoro
@MisterPoro 2 жыл бұрын
naomi really done fucked up every season she was on. literally a legend
@Andre69626
@Andre69626 2 жыл бұрын
I really don't care if there's a lack of drama. All stars 6 barley had any beef and it was probably one of the best seasons to date with everyone just being a great contender and everyone competing with each other rather than against
@achillesroblox
@achillesroblox 2 жыл бұрын
ikr, season 12 and season 14 has those vibes too
@crunchevo8974
@crunchevo8974 2 жыл бұрын
Naomi is still slept on, and ngl probably one of the funniest most entertaining queens to be on the show.
@caviersim3806
@caviersim3806 2 жыл бұрын
Snatch game is always such a wild card tho. Eliminating front-running queens like Max, River Medway, Lineysha and either Yvie or Brooke if it wasn't a double save
@iain9757
@iain9757 2 жыл бұрын
There could be a whole video on how Snatch Game is a key in drag race yet so many bomb it and it often changes everything
@sunnivaleflair3576
@sunnivaleflair3576 2 жыл бұрын
@@iain9757 I feel like everybody knows its key though. Every season queens talk about it
@achillesroblox
@achillesroblox 2 жыл бұрын
Lineysha should've been in all stars by now
@Ylurple
@Ylurple 2 жыл бұрын
River Medway? A front-runner? 🤔
@caviersim3806
@caviersim3806 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ylurple I SAID WHAT I SAID
@andrewthomas8687
@andrewthomas8687 2 жыл бұрын
I would love a deep dive on Monique heart. And I want both Monique and Naomi back for an all stars again.
@JanAside
@JanAside 2 жыл бұрын
Well guess what Mimi?
@coolstarxd15
@coolstarxd15 2 жыл бұрын
Monique will be on uk vs the world aka international all stars 🙂
@jessicabw
@jessicabw 2 жыл бұрын
Ugh, LOVE Monique!
@velky_reeds
@velky_reeds 2 жыл бұрын
you didn't watch All Stars 4?
@MJAYMONONOKE
@MJAYMONONOKE 2 жыл бұрын
@@velky_reeds they said "back for an all stars again", as in ANOTHER season. So yes they have seen AS4.
@smartcam8095
@smartcam8095 2 жыл бұрын
This lip sync changed more than just Season 8, but the entire franchise. From that point onward, there has never been a queen who is a heavy hitter early on being put up for elimination early in the competition. Think about it. Gottmik and Shea didn’t start going in the bottom until past a point where it would be okay to have the strong queen to be in a lip sync. Shea lip synced one time before the finale, at a point where Nina was expendable. Gottmik is even a better case because the production knew already how she lip syncs; if she ever touched the bottom 2, she would be sent home in a blink of an eye. Season 13 made it so obvious too. They tested out the lip sync waters first, and they knew which queens to never let touch the bottom ever, like Gottmik and Rosè. They also knew which queens would do well in a lip sync and they could use, like Kandy and Symone. Utica and Denali being the unexpected lip sync assassins was a shock to the producers because both of these queens lost the beginning lip sync; it gave them the “expendable” sticker on their backs. Denali was a shocker especially to the production because she literally crushed the first lip sync. If you really think about it, Betty’s elimination was the push of the snowball that grew into the Boulder of the monstrosity that was Season 13 premiere twist.
@bruh24318
@bruh24318 2 жыл бұрын
Tbf Shea only did bad in one challenge and was put in the bottom for it, I agree about Got Mik tho
@christopherbennett5858
@christopherbennett5858 2 жыл бұрын
I do agree to an extent. The biggest exceptions though might be Krystal and Bimini although Bimini's narrative was more about disappointment in the first few episodes before lighting a fire under their backside post break and Krystal was in a non elimination lipsync with Victoria so these exceptions reinforce the rule.
@MeepsNcheese
@MeepsNcheese 2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherbennett5858 I would think that this would be different too since the rules for editing reality TV is different in the UK than in the US, isn't it?
@christopherbennett5858
@christopherbennett5858 2 жыл бұрын
@@MeepsNcheese Yeah. Plus, since its the BBC, there's no sponsors.
@Rtv498_
@Rtv498_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@MeepsNcheese its also different because the queens were shut down because of COVID and Bimini came back so much stronger than she was the first time filming
@CristinaF_LTHP
@CristinaF_LTHP 2 жыл бұрын
What I loved most about Naomi was her maturity and ability to take criticism and make the changes the judges were asking of her. When she did poorly in the snatch game she did not make excuses for her poor performance. She completely owned it and even apologized. You could tell she was legitimately sad about disappointing Ru. I think that could have also been taken into consideration by Ru when he made his decision to let Naomi stay.
@marinemanaphy101
@marinemanaphy101 Жыл бұрын
It’s part of what makes her such a wildcard - of all the people in a room, you’re not gonna look at the tall, skinny, beautiful fashion queen and think “That seems like someone who’s receptive to some constructive criticism.” She defies expectations at pretty much every level, and in All Stars she proved that even her bad S8 Snatch Game was more the exception than the rule when it came to her impersonation/comedy skills.
@gildatheplant
@gildatheplant 4 ай бұрын
Judges love it when queens take their comments seriously and make the changes to their performances. It shows that the queens respect the judges' opinions and really care about performing better. Naomi took the criticism to heart and immediately busted her butt. Contrast that with say, Robbie Turner. Michelle Visage criticized her week after week about her wigs not being put on properly, and week after week she ignored her. You could tell Michelle was getting seriously pissed off that her advice was being ignored.
@JaciintaM
@JaciintaM 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including a memorial for Chi Chi. She truly is missed more and more everyday. The world is a lot less bright without her.
@yegane8201
@yegane8201 2 жыл бұрын
i think a deep dive about how Max was treated on her season would also be lovely!
@maca76
@maca76 2 жыл бұрын
season 7 makes me so uncomfortable knowing everything that was happening behind the scenes, and like Violet said, she was read for giving boy just for using pants, and now anyone can use pants no big deal, in that moment Max was read for wearing grey hair? which i still remember because is so uncommon, its a really good brand, better than the blond wig most queens use imo
@yegane8201
@yegane8201 2 жыл бұрын
@@maca76 wait what other stuff were happening behind the scenes tho?
@maca76
@maca76 2 жыл бұрын
@@yegane8201 well first of all is obviously Max elimination, she was doing well every week before her elimination but they didnt like her hair and modesty so they made her look insane and prude. The face off Pearl and Ru had made Ru despise Pearl and she kept her on the show so she could "break her spirit" which she said in a podcast with Michelle. Having Kandy Ho almost edited out feels wrong, i dont really like her but so much people forgot she was even there. Production was on a weird shit andnit shows in the storylines they decided to push while Ru was being bitter against the queens
@amybess
@amybess 8 ай бұрын
Please
@montagne5825
@montagne5825 2 жыл бұрын
Here after Bob asked JackFed who he was talking about at 4:05 👀😂😂😂
@Jamieswiftie13
@Jamieswiftie13 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for this, LEGend Naomi Smalls changing the game on both of her seasons 😌
@briansherrod1916
@briansherrod1916 2 жыл бұрын
I’m also pretty sure she’s never lost a lip sync either. Naomi is a phenomenal queen. Beautiful as hell!
@canoligreen92
@canoligreen92 2 жыл бұрын
I would love it if you also did a video on Naomi's arc in all stars 4. She did really well in almost all of the challenges and basically broke the season by eliminating Manila.
@smurfyboy92
@smurfyboy92 2 жыл бұрын
I've always said that Acid Betty's elimination hurt season 8 as a whole. She was someone who did really well prior to her elimination and I believe would've continued to do well afterwards. She could've even potentially made it to top 3 but we'll never know. PS Betty should've been on All Stars by now
@ToriCake95
@ToriCake95 2 жыл бұрын
Acid Betty for all stars 7!
@jamiestreet7834
@jamiestreet7834 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think so actually. I don’t think she could do very well in the political challenge as I think she would just be overly mean when the main focus is to be comedic. I also think she would struggle with the makeover as I believe she would not know what to do with her parter.
@evilhagwannabe1820
@evilhagwannabe1820 2 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure she’s top priority on the casting list for all stars 7
@_peepee_
@_peepee_ 2 жыл бұрын
she needs to go to therapy first imo. i want to see her grow
@danielmirica5846
@danielmirica5846 2 жыл бұрын
Acid Betty is always on their list for all stars but she is refusing to do all stars.
@WrenWyvern
@WrenWyvern 2 жыл бұрын
POV: You’re searching by new cuz u wanted to see the Bob the Drag Queen comment
@notthis.8869
@notthis.8869 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I hate about the drag race community is that people always complain about seasons 7,8 and 9 not having enough drama. For some reason some people believe that if the queens actually get on then it’s not worth watching, and that the season should be shitted on. I also think that it’s important to note that some of the most iconic queens to ever be on the show where on these seasons. I might be biased because these are some of my favourite seasons, but I thought it was important to point out even if it’s a little off topic
@1bwash
@1bwash 2 жыл бұрын
People on social media need to realize too that what they complain about online can become a wave of criticism which will impact how the show is created and produced.
@sunnygolightly9996
@sunnygolightly9996 2 жыл бұрын
I mean season 11 is full of drama, and it's one of the most bashed season.
@biazacha
@biazacha 2 жыл бұрын
Also some of the most beloved queens do share plenty of good shade but aren’t around making everything toxic - can you imagine if Katya, Shea or Adore were super bitter?
@maca76
@maca76 2 жыл бұрын
i loved season 12 except for the Aiden "drama" which was pretty tame compared with others, i love to see the queens as sisters helping each other because it really reminds me of the rl drag shows where if something happens lots of people will try to help you
@joefreeman3087
@joefreeman3087 2 жыл бұрын
And let’s not forget that Ru literally copied the dress Naomi made and wore it in the promo for the very next season.
@Natalie-zi4di
@Natalie-zi4di 2 жыл бұрын
The scene in Untucked where they all do their walks for each other and dance together really solidifies season 8 as one of my favorites. It's so wholesome and, personally, I'm just as invested in seeing queens become friends as I am in the drama.
@adrianhocquard1149
@adrianhocquard1149 2 жыл бұрын
These deep dives are insightful and illuminating, please keep coming up with these I love it
@johnmichaelarnaud
@johnmichaelarnaud 2 жыл бұрын
Acid Betty is one of my all-time favorites and an underrated contestant. Her entrance remains the gold standard for me, and I wish we'd have gotten to see so much more from her.
@danielperez08
@danielperez08 2 жыл бұрын
Super high-concept! She’s her own vision. She also produces a lot of visual work for work the world
@alex-ut1rh
@alex-ut1rh 2 жыл бұрын
it’s a crime that she’s never been on all stars
@melodramaniac2763
@melodramaniac2763 2 жыл бұрын
Naomi is such a legend. The way she was slepped on on AllStars 4 while she was so consistently good all season… I hope we can see her in a future international all stars.
@benafferton8123
@benafferton8123 2 жыл бұрын
no lip sync has ever caused such a shocked reaction out of like the naomi vs. acid betty one like it was the biggest shocker to me EVER
@shanesevv
@shanesevv 2 жыл бұрын
Naomi, Thorgy, Kim Chi, and Chi Chi were SUCH class acts
@abj6920
@abj6920 2 жыл бұрын
"A bad first leg shouldn't define a queen" well thank god she has two marveouls ones! I say this every time she comes up, but it makes me a little sad that she makes her brand about her legs... They are great legs but COME ON that rain or shine lipsync is fucking phenomenal! She is a FUCKING performer!!!
@leonardleyes9278
@leonardleyes9278 2 жыл бұрын
here after bob mentioned this video on the latest episode of sibling watchery and this. is what we need on drag race yt. thank u for giving naomi the flowers she absolutely deserves! much love to your channel i will be binging!
@ULikeMyP
@ULikeMyP 2 жыл бұрын
Now Bob mentioned this video on her latest episode of sibling watchery drag race season 8 episode 6. Bitch you famous! Condragulations you're the winner of this day's internet
@RNCHFND
@RNCHFND 2 жыл бұрын
"I don't think a single queen is cast on RuPaul's Drag Race just to get eliminated or fluff out the cast." I think the bigger point to be made about this is that they definitely cast about a third of the cast of heavy-hitters and save some great queens to future seasons (and then 2/3 are of queens cast on each season are of queens who are still not there yet) but then some fillers end up doing better than expected (Naomi, Heidi, TKB on All Stars) and some heavy hitters doing worse (Shuga Cain, Tina Burner). This is clearer on all stars, when they already know what a queen can bring. They filled AS1 and AS2 with ONLY heavy-hitters and some great queens ended up getting fucked because of it (Pandora, Nina Flowers, Ginger for example) and now on more recent seasons they pad the cast with CLEAR FILLERS to send home first (Serena Chacha, Farrah Moan, Milk)
@ross8093
@ross8093 2 жыл бұрын
I've always seen people paint Shuga as a queen, who if filler queen is a real thing that was what she was meant to be. But she out performed what they expected and stopped giving her her dues. (I will say the challenge she got eliminated in made no sense for her to be in the bottom for, which is why I thought that was a decently accurate opinion)
@javaman2614
@javaman2614 2 жыл бұрын
shuga cain was put on her season as a filler? thats why she was put in the bttm in the magic challenge because shuga did not have a storyline but she also did really good so it was conflicting cuz even tho she was doing much better than vanjie they couldnt send vanjie home bcuz of the comeback storyline and brooklynn relationship
@june_c4970
@june_c4970 2 жыл бұрын
I have never fully understood why people don’t like season 8! I loved the individual personalities of so many of the queens!
@RNCHFND
@RNCHFND 2 жыл бұрын
Can I give you a tip on a subject to cover? I saw some commentary about it on Reddit but it seems nobody covered it. It's how they've been trying to get a big girl to win since season 7, setting up storylines and such but it never happens. (Ginger, Kimchi, EurekaS9, EurekaS10, Silky, S**** Pie, Kandy, Ginger and Eureka AGAIN on AS6 and will probably happen again with Kornbread).
@JackFedYT
@JackFedYT 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll see if I can get a script going!
@skyco5395
@skyco5395 2 жыл бұрын
and then fans shit on a big girl winner even if her win was completely valid 😞 like lawrence
@dompedror
@dompedror 2 жыл бұрын
ginger (both s7 and as6), as6 eureka and kim chi could absolutely be winners, though. they did well enough to be crowned
@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141
@fittinginisforjigsawpieces3141 2 жыл бұрын
@@dompedrorwell, I think what happened with each of those cases was; Kim chi- Bob completely crushed the competition and was one of those instances where it would've been mad to crown anyone else. Ginger s7- they were pushing for a young fashion queen the entire time, dragging pearl and fame though the competition and violet was exactly who they wanted as a winner Eureka and ginger as6- they really wanted to crown Kylie, so the other two kind of got brushed to the side along with ra'jah
@alex-ut1rh
@alex-ut1rh 2 жыл бұрын
This was sooo crystal clear in AS6. Also I know it’s early but I’m ready for Kornbread to win already LOL
@djkelleher5432
@djkelleher5432 2 жыл бұрын
They talked about your video on Sibling Rivalry today!!!!! Congrats on your hard work!!!
@machu_22
@machu_22 Жыл бұрын
Season 8 is probably one of my favourite top 4s along with season 9’s just based on how positive the vibes were
@bradleestop
@bradleestop 2 жыл бұрын
here watching this again because bob name dropped this video in the latest video of sibling watchery!!!
@therobotdevil2284
@therobotdevil2284 Жыл бұрын
"Are you cinched?" "No, I just have a really fat ass." That sent me.
@migvault
@migvault 2 жыл бұрын
Season 8 was top tier drag race
@migvault
@migvault 2 жыл бұрын
Also I really liked this video essay good job :)
@_jordanslyric
@_jordanslyric 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve met Naomi twice at my job here in Chicago-she remembered me the second time she came in and complemented my weight loss. The last time I saw her was literally the week of AS4 when she eliminated Manila. I told her good luck and she thanked me and said she was gonna need it. She took a pic with me both times. Such a lovely girl.
@myfriendisaac
@myfriendisaac 2 жыл бұрын
*”Naomi Smalls is 1 of my favorite queens to ever grace the screens of RuPaul’s Drag Race.”* 💯 LOVE HER! She’s always UNBOTHERED & very *Posh Spice* about the situation 👠🤷🏾‍♂️♍️
@abc1direction
@abc1direction 2 жыл бұрын
virgo to a T ✔️
@mm_mela4816
@mm_mela4816 2 жыл бұрын
I never knew i would be a total die hard fan for Naomi. She is a good at lip syncing and is a wonderful model queen. Whenever i see her, im always hypnotized 😭
@bartek7733
@bartek7733 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus, I literally love your video essays about Drag Race 😩 Keep em coming
@crimson1194
@crimson1194 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the way you present those videos. Im no expert on that sort of stuff but they are very pleasant to watch!
@marcoc7388
@marcoc7388 2 жыл бұрын
Could we say that Bimini was another case of producers adapting? She could've been another Elektra Shock...
@JackFedYT
@JackFedYT 2 жыл бұрын
I cut part of my script on the elektra video that talks about Bimini making this comparison. I couldn’t word it properly but I do see a lot of similarities
@marcoc7388
@marcoc7388 2 жыл бұрын
@@JackFedYT I mean, the only weakness Elektra had was some of her runway looks (just like Bimini on the pre-COVID season), blossomed on the Girl Groups challenge (that Elektra should've won) and dominated the second half of their respective seasons. (with only one challenge not being that great [makeover-design]). In a fair world, Elektra's track record should've been: bottom-high-win-high-win-safe-high, and both became fan favorites. I do think production could've actually adapted to her sudden improvement.
@redduskironsky1058
@redduskironsky1058 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcoc7388 well if we analyze the awful corner they put themselves in, they had to rush in a new frontrunner who wasnt part of the more dislikeable ones left, and between Elektra and Kita, they chose the one who had less beef (which was continued to be fueled by fucking Racist Adams only, because Art was neutral and Karen was on Elektra's side most of the time). Producers backed themselves into a corner in which Kita was the only option for the crown.
@marcoc7388
@marcoc7388 2 жыл бұрын
@@redduskironsky1058 OMG. I didn't realize that actually, Karen kind of supported Elektra sometimes.... that's so sad. 💀
@redduskironsky1058
@redduskironsky1058 2 жыл бұрын
@@marcoc7388 yes, thats why I couldnt understand the decision production made in the girl group challenge. You saw the queens actually rooting for Elektra, Karen being the one queen they gave confessional time saying Elektra deserved to win this episode because she has worked so hard and she was rooting for her...and what happens? Producers decide to stomp on all the queens and go for a very stupid narrative about how outshining your peers is suddenly such a bad thing. You can really tell these producers had one and only one queen as their favorite and that was Racist Adams. Lets face it. Karen and Art as much favored as they were, they were kept for two reasons: Karen was such a hyped queen for a lot of people especially after Tracy Martel name dropped her to her fans several times, and people liked Art at first, because her drag looks were so good, she had a following already and she was 'robbed on episode 2(?)'. I dunno if the producers were racist too or what but it always felt so icky how they took Scarlett's side every single time Elektra opened her mouth on any episode, by the end of the episode they somehow make her got the last laugh over Elektra even the episode she finally won a challenge. Going so far as to eliminate the one queen who was on her side at first and then turned on her once the topic of her blackface shit came out. The season was so gross and I hope all those producers were permanently removed from their jobs.
@AchroMinion
@AchroMinion 2 жыл бұрын
It was pretty much expected, but the "...unless you're Joey Jay I guess" at the end killed me 😂 The only Filler Queen we need
@haunted14
@haunted14 2 жыл бұрын
The positivity of this season is why it's one of my favorites. It has a ton of fantastic queens and they're all friends. There are small disagreements, sure, but it was just such a fun and warm vibe between the girls and combined with the massive amount of talent, rewatching it is a joy.
@daniel6678
@daniel6678 2 жыл бұрын
love this. not only because I love naomi and I'm glad to see her get her flowers, but also because this is the kind of really thoughtful, respectful, well-informed analysis that is SUPER lacking in the rpdr-verse. hope to see you do more videos like this
@m00c0w
@m00c0w 2 жыл бұрын
Bob mentioned this video on the latest episode of Sibling Watchery! (S8E6)
@calipeixoto1153
@calipeixoto1153 2 жыл бұрын
I think when someone that is doing VERY well on the season and flops on the lip sync, a double safe is fair
@Kayworx
@Kayworx 2 жыл бұрын
S8 was the first season of RPDR that I ever saw and it'll always be my favourite season. And Bob will always be my favourite drag queen from the show.
@Allanatheedoll
@Allanatheedoll 2 жыл бұрын
Omg! I auditioned for this season ! What a great season this was, it was one of the smaller casts in herstory. Naomi is iconic from the moment that promo came out, I had no doubt she was going to make the top. Loved your video!! 💗💗
@paulojrneto
@paulojrneto 2 жыл бұрын
Also can we all agree that Causin' A Commotion is a widely underrated Madonna bop?
@vilvile
@vilvile 2 жыл бұрын
I went in this season underwhelmed by the “meet the queens” impression of Naomi, and I liked Betty from day 1. However, I thought it was fair for Naomi to stay in that lip sync and her spot on the top and AS is beyond well deserved. I wish newer seasons were bold to do this vs. saving favorites.
@daveparker6333
@daveparker6333 2 жыл бұрын
Have you been trained as a historian, Jack? I ask, because I AM a historian and I teach it at the college level, and this video provides exactly the type of context I would provide if I were doing an analysis of a program like this. Excellent work!
@EdTheCreator
@EdTheCreator 2 жыл бұрын
Season 8 should’ve had a comeback episode or let this be the double save. Either way we were robbed of not having Acid Betty’s Book ball, black/white, and wizard of oz runway. #TeamNaomi
@chrissycorrea5967
@chrissycorrea5967 2 жыл бұрын
I was so sure they were going to bring Acid Betty back in her season. Not to win but to stir the pot and bring some looks. Maybe they didn't because Season 8 was so short. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@RubyConn
@RubyConn 2 жыл бұрын
We don’t need drama, we need entertainment. Drama is more readily available reality tv resource, but entertainment is forever.
@gobbylynn838
@gobbylynn838 2 жыл бұрын
Naomi is one of my faves as well. I got to meet her at a club for a m&g a few weeks ago and she was one of the sweetest and loveliest people i've ever met. Her performances were AMAZING that night too 🤩 i love her
@xxapxo
@xxapxo 2 жыл бұрын
Bob mentioned this video in the sibling watchery episode! :)
@TheYouPoop
@TheYouPoop 2 жыл бұрын
Bob gave you a shoutout on watchery!
@TimVerhaal
@TimVerhaal 2 жыл бұрын
I actually like the fact that the top 4 didn't have any drama with eachother, they just had their own journey and got along in the end.
@checkersabrina21
@checkersabrina21 2 жыл бұрын
Possibly the best video I've seen so far regarding Drag Race. More deep-dives please!
@JackFedYT
@JackFedYT 2 жыл бұрын
Oh damn. Thank you so much!
@aingha213
@aingha213 2 жыл бұрын
i love naomi sm by far one of my fave ru girls ever
@johnvarner5536
@johnvarner5536 2 жыл бұрын
This is content I haven’t seen any other Drag Race KZfaqr dive into that I really love and would love to see more of. Moments/lip syncs that change the trajectory of the seasons. I’m sure there are more to look into and I’d love to see your breakdowns of them.
@MakaylaPaterson
@MakaylaPaterson 2 жыл бұрын
Edit: season 8 is one of my favourites. I don’t like constant drama in anything, to the point where I can’t watch untucked. I thought the good vibes later in the season was wonderful to watch. I absolutely love Naomi! Even in her OG season I thought she was phenomenal. I actually really loved how she kept to herself, yet stood up for herself when needed. She’s so much more than just a pretty face (and killer set of legs)! Also very glad I found your channel. It’s respectful, informational, and entertaining. Keep it up!
@imaminxkitty
@imaminxkitty 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry there were moments in this video where I kept having to rewind to actually listen to what you said because I kept getting distracted by Naomi. She's so fucking beautiful omfg
@MrMartiallen
@MrMartiallen Жыл бұрын
I too love Naomi Smalls. Huge fan of her.
@simplicitylost
@simplicitylost 2 жыл бұрын
“Remember: It’s easy to hate, but it’s a lot more fun to spread love.” Aw, I love that.
@chadgray3150
@chadgray3150 2 жыл бұрын
Betty is one of my all time favorite Queens, in the Uniqueness categorie she is heads above the rest. Love you Betty
@richmondrealingo7321
@richmondrealingo7321 2 жыл бұрын
Detox Deep Dive. I feel like of all of the crownless queens, she is the most deserving.
@stevengornall934
@stevengornall934 2 жыл бұрын
She definitely should of won as2 not Alaska imo
@kelp5801
@kelp5801 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the Acid vs Naomi lipsync was a huge turning point in Season 8 and now i realise (thanks to this video and other user's comments) that it also changed the whole show since they dont put frontrunners in the bottom at early stages of the competition anymore in fear of them getting eliminated . Im happy you made a video about this fact. Btw i think Robbie should've been in the bottom instead of Acid but whatever 🤷
@Ranoldopereztroika
@Ranoldopereztroika 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that you used the example of Electra. She was treated like garbage.
@autumn3246
@autumn3246 2 жыл бұрын
this is such a good analysis. i completely forgot that naomi was in the background for part of that season because she made top 3.
@naomismallswasrobbed8129
@naomismallswasrobbed8129 2 жыл бұрын
my girl finally getting the recognition she deserves 🥰❤️
@skyvenger7724
@skyvenger7724 2 жыл бұрын
You're deep dives are actually really good and you give a more serious side to the dragrace fandom content (other than edits and rankings)
@Tim.Mitch.95
@Tim.Mitch.95 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought Betty would've been in Naomi's place if she had won the lip sync. But still, Naomi proved her star power, especially during and after All Stars.
@domdhp
@domdhp 2 жыл бұрын
Truly one of the best lipsyncs. I have such incredible memories of watching this specific episode in a bright white hotel room whilst on a work trip and being FLOORED by how amazing Naomi's performance was
@bafbaas1210
@bafbaas1210 2 жыл бұрын
To me Noami seems like so quietly confident, like she knows she is amazing and doesnt need the whole room to know (although if they have working vision they probly will)
@ladonmarcellus3561
@ladonmarcellus3561 2 жыл бұрын
this was back when the producers cared about it actually being a competition
@RR-qz3zg
@RR-qz3zg 2 жыл бұрын
I love Acid Betty. Her drag is so underrated
@midgelywid
@midgelywid 2 жыл бұрын
I love this analysis! Super smart, even-handed, and compassionate
@averyeml
@averyeml 2 жыл бұрын
You had me hooked the second you dropped the truth bomb of “they don’t put filler queens on, it’s all down to editing.” I mean, think of how many queens must apply for this show, why would they waste a potentially great show character slot on someone the go in thinking has nothing to offer?
@Laughingwithtravii
@Laughingwithtravii 2 жыл бұрын
s8 was so good omg.. sometimes i forget how much i love these shows. being around since the start, crazy how much its grown. i wish i was as into it still, but man, great memories. edit: also this naomi moment was just as good and iconic as sharons blood mouth moment honestlyy i said what i said. she really is a treat i love her sm. she gave the girls everything they asked for and more. its delicious. think it was my favorite final queens as well. and rip chi chi, my favorite southern queen. being a lil gay from kentucky i was rooting for her from the start, but naomi won me over truly. this was such a cute vid thank you!
@charlestrinidad1731
@charlestrinidad1731 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the “narrative” concept overall but I wish the show’s producers would stop manufacturing edits and let the entire show run on its own. Edits really matter and they should stop creating false narratives and unnecessary drama. I disagree with casting filler queens tho. There really are some queens, as you said, were casted too early/the queen themselves weren’t too “marketable.” If that were the case, wouldn’t it be better to not get their hopes up and cast them at all instead of giving them the disposable queen edit?
@elizabethjohnson6386
@elizabethjohnson6386 2 жыл бұрын
No because everyone loves when the underdog does big things. And then Ru gets to take credit for bringing them out of their shell and when they flop, no one's really surprised. And bringing in too early queens is a great way to set up great All Stars casts later once everyone has seen their potential. They come back with the growth storyline. I do honestly think it is very likely they intentionally cast queens that they know aren't going to win overall but will become fan favorites. And I think they cast queens from smaller cities or less-known (or less experienced) queens to have a larger spread of hometown favorites, knowing they'll probably go out early
@alessandrogarofalo4936
@alessandrogarofalo4936 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree cos its a reality tv show and we cannot have things flow naturally because the season wouldnt get interesting in the long run, expecially on US where the queens start to be the same archtypes the more years pass. Yes the producers should stop these double sashays, lipsync twists that no one want but storylines need to be pushed otherwise the outcome Is obvious. Acid going home was when bob was crowned and that happened naturally. Carmen winning 3/7 challanges and 4 minis while the other contestants had two bottom each was a dead end for storylines.
@daveshif2514
@daveshif2514 2 жыл бұрын
Imo having “underdogs” is super important because if the season was too fair, it wouldent have the drama of seeing someone unexpected do really well. Its not the best thing to do but in a show you have to use everything available to make it entertaining. Balance isnt entertaining
@Aman-mf2ml
@Aman-mf2ml 2 жыл бұрын
I remember really not noticing Naomi when I watched season 8 for the first time, till the makeover challenge!! I was geniunely confused-
@roseghould
@roseghould 2 жыл бұрын
This video really made me rethink some things in terms of drag race. I really let my guard down and just let the show take me wherever they want without actually taking my own opinion into account. I think it’s so I can avoid giving up on a season if the queens I like don’t make it far but that’s not the point. The point is that I’ve always had the feeling that Naomi is a great queen but I could never actually put it into words and now you’ve done that for me and I’m grateful for that
@brettrigby2226
@brettrigby2226 2 жыл бұрын
betty needs another season! Shes living art everytime she hits that runway and we all know it!
@gerald9547
@gerald9547 2 жыл бұрын
season 8 is so good, only 12 queens, only 10 episodes, all entertaining. best season after season 6.
@immrbrightside72
@immrbrightside72 5 ай бұрын
Just came across your channel and had to tell you of my run in with Naomi Smalls at the historic Stonewall Inn circa 2012. There I was, drunk, with my best friend, a rabid Drag Race fan. Suddenly a woman falls. I hear her head smack a corner and she's on the ground. Blood is gushing. We're all too drunk to think clearly when suddenly from the dark back room saunters over Miss Naomi in boy mode barking orders. Sends me off to get a first aid kit, has my friend call 911, is down on the floor with this somehow alive woman, holding her hand while the EMTs get her on a stretcher. They're gone, Naomi turns, thanks us (????), and asks if we want a picture. I tell her I love M.U.G. and we record the intro. That video ends up on her Instagram page. Dying woman never gets brought up, no idea what happened to her. Love Naomi. Big fan.
@mimisway202
@mimisway202 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed season 8. I rewatched it multiple times along with season 2,3,5 & 6. The cast's personalities more than make up for the lack of drama
@MrCyberGal
@MrCyberGal 2 жыл бұрын
Jackfed being a snacc? A welcome treat.
@lucybickerton4573
@lucybickerton4573 2 жыл бұрын
Bob doing the shot gun act out was sooo funny
@wrenpen
@wrenpen 2 жыл бұрын
naomi deserved better on as4 she slayed almost every single challenge and only won once. but holy shit when she won.......she went OFF
@antoniosantos9669
@antoniosantos9669 2 жыл бұрын
We cannot forget that the season was super short so they didn’t had a lot of time to build stories for some of the queens
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