The contradiction is in the interviewee's assumptions that a slave must fit our modern image, rather than accept that slavery was a different institution than what we abolished 200 years ago.

@@jarisundell8859nice apologism for slavery

@@jarisundell8859yes, the random KZfaq commentary is so much better than professional historians who study the sources and physical evidence.

You live in a paralel universe....

He actually lives in reality.

@@tomasparriles6440 You need a reality check from Communist China and Islam.

​@@tomasparriles6440 Slavery is undoubtedly evil and wrong but its also a natural consequence of economics. If we didn't outlaw slavery, it would still be standard practice because the most efficient way to do business is with free labor. Literally the only thing keeping us from slipping back into slavery is our modern sense of morality and one could argue we're not even far that off from it. Frankly I would prefer to be enslaved for a set number of years knowing that I could earn my freedom and make good connections instead of being paid 7.25 an hour indefinitely for the rest of my life in dead-end jobs that should be paying me at least 23 an hour. Business is inherently anti-human because it's concern is with the dynamics of currency, not the betterment of society.

@@grimble4564 "Slavery is undoubtedly evil" arguable.

I address that question in the very first chapter of "Naked Statues, Fat Gladiators, and War Elephants." You should be able to read it via Google or Amazon preview.

@@toldinstonefootnotes Thank you.

Glad you enjoy it! You'll find the audio version on Apple Podcasts and almost every other podcast app.

@@toldinstonefootnotes Thanks so much!

That's true, but only in absolute numbers. By percentages, slavery has virtually vanished from the globe today, whereas perahaps the majority of people in ancient times were held in some type of slavery.

Touché.

​@@scarletpimpernel230vIrTuAlLy

I am a wage slave and slave to the state - annual property tax of $15,000 on top of all my other taxes

I’m sorry to hear that, J. You should move into a tax haven, like me.

Only uncomfortable for the clueless on human nature.

I wouldnt say that youre out of step with society, rather that making jokes about people owning slaves likely isnt seen as being in good taste for someone like a streamer, for whom projecting a friendly brand is of upmost importance

"How dare someone be offended by my joke about slavery? I learned about it in college therefore I have the absolute right to joke about it anywhere, anytime, in front of anyone, because academia."

Isn't the US prison system simply slave labour?

@@sarahsarah2534 not to the extent it is say in China (PRC), Russia or Myanmar... and not to the extent of some semi-official systems in Africa. but to some extent, forced convict labor is used in the US as well (I would say it is less of a system thing, at least not on a federal level... the system is more about causing psychological/physical pain then about turning a profit)... I would say it is more of an exception than the rule & is more pronounced of a thing in the State then federal system.

@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Are Chinese and Russian prisons run for profit by private companies like US prisons? I didn't know.

​@@sarahahmed113 in the US, most Federal facilities are run privately as a service to the government... that is, there cash flow is from the government rather than the inmates themselves... forced convict labor meanwhile, in is usually done not involving the operator-firm, but rather, directly by offices of the government/military who have means to enforce thesame... whilst this is a driver of bad conditions in the penal service privatization is not part of the slavery issue (though a part of many other problems)

@@sarahahmed113 whilst how pervasive it is percentage wise it is hard to say, certainly many Chinese prisons also double up as factory-sweatshops which are run as government affiliated firms... These are not private organizations, though, often subject & profitable to connected individuals not directly private however.....

Yeah, we use child labour to mine metals in Africa, but don't worry we have pop music.

Yeah, we do slaves to make our coke, but dont worry, cos we like warehouse parties too much, and ketamine with our breakfast

@Sarah Sarah don't forget that hot Nigerian film scene, it's bumping!

@@alastair08 and limp dicks! Karma can be funny sometimes

The difference is that we as a society agreed to separate that person due to their crime(s). Instead of them rotting in a cell 24/7, we’ve agreed that they must contribute to society in a way so that we’re not just paying tax to keep dangerous people well fed and rested. However, your point is valid when looking at prison privatization, such as the current climate in prisons across the US.

There were many in the confederacy that intended to end slavery, the dispute was the practicality of it. The south’s economy was largely built off slave labour, if they suddenly ended it, the economy would collapse, so there were plans to shift the economy over 20 years. I highly doubt it would have continued any later than 1900. The civil war started over tariff rates that crippled the south’s economy. The Union government literally signed a document the year before the war started essentially saying all slaves would remain slaves. The north didn’t give a shit about slavery, they only started to use it as a political football half way into the war to get more manpower and to portray themselves as morally superior. However the war never began with the intent to end slavery, the north past legislation that solidified the slavery institution. The war was about economics but the north cunningly use the slave situation half way into the war. Obviously it’s still good that they won, as it did end slavery much more quickly, but I’m simply saying the war wasn’t black and white.

It wouldn't have lasted much longer. It's not an efficient form of labor. Your last comment is absurd but one can expect that from a Yankee. Probably the kind of Yankee who loves public slavery.

@@rhysnichols8608 That intention where it existed did so under pressure from the North, if the South wins the civil war it's entirely possible any such intentions reverse course. Or to use an analogy, just because the slave does what you want when you're there to crack the whip doesn't mean he will when you're not.

Alex, I'll take "That's not a question" for 200

@@NathanDudani I confess, it is a bit of tortured grammar. My excuse is that I wrote it under severe post-surgery pain meds.

shut up, Karl

that’s just a conspiracy theory

The luxury the west enjoys is a result of centuries of hard work, innovation, creative genius and conquest. Granted imperial capitalism does and has exploited the conquered nations, this is largely de the profit of soulless cooperations and ruling elite. Vast majority of western population don’t benefit.

Uh.. Imperialism? I don't think you know what Imperialism means and are just using buzz words lmao.

@@LordLambertius Imperialism is the control of another country such that they defacto do not have sovereignty or it is severely restricted so as to extract value be it as resources or labor from the subjugated country. The reason the US spends so much on its military is to maintain its empire, its global hegemony, so as to funnel resources into the control of its economic elite which control and are the US government. The rest of the West, to varying degrees according to country, participate and benefit from US imperialism as either minor partners or puppets. Every time a country attempts to exercise sovereignty, they get either sanctioned, couped, or invaded by the US or sometimes another Western power such as France. However, due to the national myth of the US as a country of "freedom", it many times attempts to present itself as "not an empire", though there are many who openly admit it as well and speak of it positively (certain neocons). The reason "capitalism works" for the US is because it utilizes the 3rd world as slave labor. Instead of the US government officially administering subjugated nations, it does so through multi-national corporations that own monopolies over industries and natural resources. There is also a cultural imperialist aspect, where the US is the main and forceful exporter of degenerate culture. The so-called "Christian" country is the main exporter of godlessness and the complete disintegration of all human bonds in favor of dehumanized drugged up narcissistic consumers that die either alone or young. All this immense human suffering is sold as "freedom" and retarded Americans, both liberal and conservative, eat it up or check out of society.

So you read the sparknotes summary of Das Kapital and want so show off, well done.

I disagree with your philosophical standpoint. There IS objective morality, granted many ethical concerns will widely vary depending on the circumstances, some things are always set in stone. And just because they may become necessary evils in an extreme situation, it doesn’t make them ‘right’ Utilitarianism doesn’t change objective right and wrong. If there is only 2 humans left in the world, and the female hates the male, but the necessary survival of humanity requires the women to be raped, this doesn’t make the act morally good, it’s still evil but a necessary one. Any moral man would still hang his head in shame afterwards

I disagree with your philosophical standpoint. There IS objective morality, granted many ethical concerns will widely vary depending on the circumstances, some things are always set in stone. And just because they may become necessary evils in an extreme situation, it doesn’t make them ‘right’ Utilitarianism doesn’t change objective right and wrong. If there is only 2 humans left in the world, and the female hates the male, but the necessary survival of humanity requires the women to be raped, this doesn’t make the act morally good, it’s still evil but a necessary one. Any moral man would still hang his head in shame afterwards

@@rhysnichols8608 Bollocks. The very concepts of right and wrong are relative. Facts are objective, choices are subjective. We as tribes and as species have common grounds for sure, therefore common choices. But that doesn't make morality objective whatsoever.

@@sarahahmed113 So child molestation isn’t an objectively bad thing? It’s relative to the circumstances? nonsense. This act has breve been seen as good by any civilisation

@@rhysnichols8608 No morals can ever be objective. By claiming this you are stating that choices are objective, which is blatantly absurd.