I think Sommer, being a reconnaissance pilot, was also in a Ju 86 that battled in the stratosphere over the UK with modified Mk IX Spitfires. The Spitfires were barely able to intercept but it was enough to dissuade further Germans missions.

@@williamzk9083 correct.

The bombing of Coventry is a bit controversial...when double agents gave false intel and deliberately misled the Luftwaffe about targets, along with jamming the beam and navigational aids of the German planes, the "poor innocent civilians" of Coventry were collateral damage. That and the claim that carrots gave RAF pilots excellent vision, so as to conceal their use of radar, helped paint those bombing missions as evil...give a dog a bad name and hang it...neither side had full fledged angels in their cockpits..."There is a war you know"...so both combatants did what they deemed necessary at the time...but what do I know???

Good to hear that he made it to Southern Australia. He was obviously a good pilot and after seeing too much suffering he decided to leave Europe after the war. The story itself is very interesting and I’m not sure if it’s untold up to now. However, excellent research and I’m a fan of the Arado.

The buffetting is called resonance generated by the alignment of the AOA angle of attack when the wings encounter turbulance in a dive or speed that is beyond the design capabilities of the airframe. It usually results in the break up of the aircraft. Simmers was indeed a talented pilot by recovering the aircraft. Interesting that the engines lasted less than the 262 which had a life time of 28 hours, the Arrado must have had much larger thrust capability even more interesting to have met them. Story of a life time.

Yes, I believe it was Sommer who emigrated to OZ. He had a fascinating wartime career as far as I read.

@@CalibanRising I was a wet-behind-the-ears 17-year-old caded newspaper reporter when I met the two of them as they re-united after more than 40 years. I didn't realise the significance of the event, unfortunatey.

@@ArmouredCarriers very cool to have met them.

There was no co-pilot. The Ar234 was a single seater.

@@PORRRIDGE_GUN Good point. Either way, they were a testing establishment pair. My memory of the 1989 must have blended the two into the same mission.

Actually much German transport had horses in front, during WV2.

@@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 Oh, really? Did that involve any horses?

Thanks, I was wondering what the heck that was.

Makes good sense -gotta wonder why it wasnt more common

German engineering. They lost, because their enemy had infinite supplies of everything.

@@frutt5k in general, the German military wasn’t too advanced compared to the other nations they fought, but some of the special vehicles they had and the tech they made behind the scenes were brilliant.

@@TeenWithACarrotIDK You're wrong and if you would have lived in 1940 you'd have been dead wrong.

prototype meteors ??

@@michaelshore2300 I'm not sure that the early Meteors had the performance to catch the 234s. It would have been interesting to find out though.

Would have made absolutely no difference

@@alanwayte432 I fully agree. I don''t think that had Arados been in more widespread use earlier, and even if ME262s had been better used, would the outcome of the war been changed. The momentum by the Allies at that stage was just too great. The Battle of the Bulge was the last, great gasp. It was initially devastating, but we recovered. With that, and with the USSR closing in from the East, there was not turning the tide. What is amazing is that the Germans did hold out for as long as they did. But I'm a schmuck. Wud do I know?

Would have made no difference whatsoever. It was no secret there was an invasion force building in England.

Thanks for watching Peter

Typo fixed

Thanks for watching Pim. Wish I was good at making models, they always turned out a bit amateurish.

Thanks Bob.

😀 I'm afraid Rene wasn't able to get the colour footage out for me.

I noticed by the way. A little bit expensive.

No doubt your grandfather made a huge contribution to the war effort!

@@CalibanRising Thank you for your reply. There were so many specialist teams like my grandfather's who fixed problems that contributed to the war effort. So many of them are unknown and go unsung. I wish we could learn about more of them.

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Thank you for that feedback, I appreciate it Juanjo.

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Nice! I found it hard to locate any photos I could use of the A model.

Much appreciated!

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Glad you found it interesting. Thanks for watching

Danke schön Stefan! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

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Cheers mate!

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Cheers mate!

It was very interesting researching this mission!

Interesting.

Thank you!

Yes, I think you are right there.

Aach Fritz, forr yoo zee varr iss overr

Wow, you must have some stories to tell! Thanks for watching.

Bitte!

Wow, a lucky escape indeed

Are you sure?? I’m virtually certain he said that was a me262 and it has been sabotaged by ground staff. I think you need to read his book again and check

The Arado Ar 324 was originally intended to be a reconnaissance plane. Winkle Browm was a remarkable man.

That’s exactly the point of engine run ups before take off

@@cornellkirk8946 No, it was definatelly an Arado. Of course there was very little he did not test fly. As well as sabotage the ground crews destroyed much of the paperwork so the number of hour on each engine were not known. After some 25 hours the engine had to be rebuilt.

Very true.

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Did he say the Arado over flew Normandy 57 days after D Day?

@@TeddyBear-ii4yc He says 58 in the first sentence of the video. But you never know with these dyslexic new dads with their traitorous spell checkers. 😁

@@exharkhun5605 57 -58? That's still near 2 months after D Day. That's my point... while some may say "better late than never", I wonder if "for want of a nail the horse was lost" is more apt? Substitute 'recon photo' for 'nail'! 🙂

@@TeddyBear-ii4yc Absolutely. It's way past all the British and Canadian operations near Caen and it's a week after operation Cobra starts. But a quick look on wikipedia mentions 12-21 August 1944 for the battle of the Falaise pocket so it may have helped with so many German soldiers escaping. That's 1 thing I find fascinating. The other thing that interests me is that a part of the Normandy narrative is that the German high command is indecisive and was waiting for a "real invasion" somewhere else. But if they had no idea what was actually happening that changes the narrative a bit. (not that I want to exonerate the nazi generals and hitler, far from that, I'd be typing this in German if my country weren't liberated by the allies back then)

@@exharkhun5605 So typing your messege in English is better than in German?

What human heart Tell that to the Russians

@@jacktattis The human heart can feel many emotions outside of love. For example, when I read your comment. My heart was filled with contempt.

@@thelastroman7791 It does not change the facts 10 million were slaughtered in their Camps. Transport trains went through countless towns and the people could not smell the stench that came from them ?Case in Point The Allied troops liberated a camp, they could smell it from miles away the people in the town almost next to it claimed they did not know what was happening. Well a few days later all of them were marched to the camp and had to carry the dead bodies Then they bloody knew. Capt Eric Brown a German admirer before the war and even ambivalent during it was so disgusted by their actions at Belsen he turned away from them. Capt Charles Upham VC /bar never had a German item in his house post war

@@jacktattis I’m well aware of everything you just mentioned, I’m not so foolish that I’d somehow deny the Holocaust. My views on this matter are a bit more nuanced regarding this topic and can be seen as a bit more complex than the average observer, to say the least.

@@thelastroman7791 It is the casual observer you will be dudded unless they have the full picture a

The early Junkers Jumo 004 engines used proper (and expensive) heat resisting metal alloy, later Junkers Jumo 004 engines was build usig (cheap) "sheet steel" So I gess the Arado Ar 234 did use the early Junkers Jumo 004 engines. Few Me-262 pilot survive 5 combat misson and "used up" the engines, so there was no "need" to make the turbin blade more lasting. If the pilot did survive 5 combat misson, he was a ace (or close to be one) and can be given a new set of engines, alternative the orginal engines did have a deep maintenance/re-buld work .

If you read more carefully, it says the engines only lasted 6 hours but they managed to get 12 hours out of them, they would then have to swap them out, like helicopter engines in Vietnam. I heard Eric "winkle" Brown, the first allied test pilot to fly one talk about it, except the engine blew up on the runway, he blamed the ground crew for giving him an over-houred engine or sabotage. The high Nickel alloys that the British had were still secret, the Meteor was not allowed to fly over the channel.

The metals is a red herring. The problem with these early jet engines was controlling them not to exceed the temperatures under the operating conditions. Flying high in cold air at a constant speed helped. Thus recon better than combat. Taxing and all rapid settings was dangerous. Of course the problems were much bigger with axial engines than centrifugal ones. The British had both engine types but only flew centrifugal until the inherent problems were fixed. Today, you have electronic management controls with measurements and control variables.

Interesting story. If you had access to the right records I'm sure someone could track it down. If you'd like, you can send me an email with the details you remember. caliban@calibanrising.com

@@CalibanRising OK willdo - as soon as bad headcold gone, been a rough few days!

Badly accented drei

Cheers mate. I did my research from other books but this is now on my "to read list", thanks!

Yes, that's the one!

Thanks for the distinction, didn't pick up on that during the research.

That pressurized version of the Ju-86 was the U-2 of its day. Fw-200, Ju-88, Do-17 etc. were all used as recce aircraft; add all the flying boats and fighter conversions and you actually get quite a lot.

Yeah really unfortunate about the evil genocidal maniacal aggression

@@ottovonbismarck2443 No doubt about it, the Luftwaffe had a variety of recce planes. Just that the Ju86 recce version, sticks out for its said superior altitude which for a while at least, made it impervious to allied interception.

@@commandingjudgedredd1841 I'd have to look it up, but IIRC there was a variant of the Spitfire which was purpose-built especially to deal with that problem and occasionally they were successful in intercepting the Ju.

Sept 44 is when the Arado first appeared someone is not telling us the facts

Cheers mate. Still working on the sound so thanks for the feedback.😀

Well spotted. Call it an attempt at ambience. Unfortunately I don't know one end of a train from the other.

The Green one going backwards is a British Rail Britannia class, and the black one going forwards is a Stanier Black 5. :P

@@_Zekken Both too clean to be in BR days!

Fuel quality for jet engine is not so determining as for piston engines

@@karlkirchweger4427 That is true but it accelerates corrosion which exacerbated the issues with relatively poor quality materials.

Yes I've read a allied recce a/c hit by flak caused vibration spoiling photos

After the rocket assisted take-off and jettisoning the undercarriage it could probably drop a hand grenade or two from 30000 ft. That is if the pilot looked after the engines.

@@powerjets3512you do realise the ‘rato’ rocket assist was copied by the allies post war don’t you right into the next decades. They weren’t there because the Arado couldn’t take off without them, they were there to take off on short runways.

@@powerjets3512there’s always one isn’t there with some snide remark… 🙄

@drstrangelove4998 you do realise that because the engines had such bad weight to power ratios that they needed extremely long runways. What I said was correct. What I am trying to explain is the limits of the engines. You needed 2 engines for the Me-262 and 4 would have been needed for a bomber. The comments are not mocking but factual, but then that somebody persuaded the Nazis leadership to build it was an achievement.

@@drstrangelove4998 Because of the engines poor power to weight ratio it could not take off from short runways (even without wheels), just as the Me-262 needed forever to get in the air with 2 engines. Perhaps you should watch hardthrashers video on the Me-262. The same corruption etc problems occurred with the jet engines. Perhaps the Ar 324 designer had been promised other numbers, anyway the real achievement was to sell this "bomber" to the Nazis. It would have needed at least 4 jet engines for any meaningful payload. For photo recon the Me-262 would have been good enough. It shocks me that the myths of the Wunder weapons are so ingrained (or the belief that everything was copied from the Germans). Wish for a technical discussion about the engines. The scathing remarks might be justified perhaps?

Yeah, it's a combination of new dad brain and dyslexia there.

That's hilarious, I failed the spelling test

That's a very interesting analysis Kyle. The "winner" mentality made them complacent. How does this tie into the planned move into the East?

@@CalibanRising Even more so than against the Western allies, the Nazis considered themselves superior to the Slavic people in the east. The idea that they would have needed jet planes against the Soviets probably sounded laughable to them. As for the attack on the Soviet Union (Operation Barbarossa) the plan was to crush the Soviets before winter (which is why later they found themselves deep in the USSR during the winter but without any winter equipment. Oops). So in light of this expectation of a short war both on the western and eastern fronts, focusing effort on producing existing production ready aircraft instead of doing R&D on fancy futuristic concepts like jet power probably sounded like a wise decision. Of course later on as they realized the war was dragging on and they were actually in trouble and could have used all these futuristic weapons, it was too late.

@@CalibanRising well I think there’s two ways to tie the war in the east into this. First, if we take events as they happened historically and simply remove the decision to slow the 262’s development, then I think we would see it’s introduction to combat by mid 1942. Had they done that then it’s really kind of dealer’s choice of where to employ it. On the one hand the allied bombing raids are still building to their full operational potential, and thus the allies lack the air superiority to demand its use in the west. On the other hand, using it on the western front in significant numbers would free up more 109’s and 190’s to be sent to the eastern front which might have been the smarter choice since they already had the capability to carry bombs (this is all also assuming the 262 doesn’t get delayed by hitler’s demand that it be redesigned to carry bombs, i.e. the early models don’t have that capability). On the other hand, you can deploy the early 262’s in limited quantities during operation Barbarossa, and hopefully modify them in the field to carry bombs once air supremacy is achieved. In limited numbers though, I don’t think they would have as much of an impact in the east as they might in the west due to a few factors: first, the luftwaffe as it was at the start of operation Barbarossa decimated the vvs. At that early stage, the Germans saw great success against the obsolete fighters and bombers the soviets had at the time and with the speed differential between the German fighters and the soviets, German pilots didn’t have much time to line up their shots. In that regard I think the speed of the 262 would have been detrimental to their overall combat effectiveness simply owing to the issues with their engines. Throttle movements had to be slow and steady or they could risk damaging them, and the engines took a long time to spool up when adding power. The second factor to consider is are the 262’s deployed with or without the capability to carry bombs. Assuming the arado is in the pipeline and is expected to become operational by the end of 1942, you could theoretically use the 262’s in a ground attack role by making strafing attacks with its 30mm cannon. In that role it might be more effective by strafing trains, aaa positions and convoys, maybe even artillery positions. The great equalizer though would be getting hit by ground fire, and the 109’s and 190’s are better suited for that environment in my opinion, but it’s hard to say how that would have played out. As for the soviets developing their own jets earlier, I don’t think they would have. They were on the back foot early on and any jets they would have gotten likely would have come from the western Allies through the lend lease program. What I do think the reality would have been is most likely the 262’s would have gotten used on the western front allowing for more 109’s and 190’s to be sent to the east which could have tipped the scales further in Germany’s favor. Assuming the arado comes into service by mid 1943, it might have been able to make an impact in the east, perhaps affecting the battle of Stalingrad by flying interdiction missions, and it possibly could affect the outcome of the battle of Kursk, but both of those scenarios require it to be available in large numbers and I think that’s being really generous with Germany’s manufacturing capacity by that stage of the war.

@@jbepsilon I was also thinking if there was a racial element to this in addition to a military one. Worth doing a bit of research into this I think.

the AR 324 did have defensive guns firing out of 6'0 clock. The Preiscope was the aiming periscope for them. There was one Mustang P51D shot down over Aachen or Cologne by this configuration. There are some reports from German and US side about this air victory. By the way, the AR 234 was far away from a "normal" bomber. It size is more about the P39 and is very agile, not like a Me-410, Ju-88 or something like a B-17, etc.

Operation Overlord officially ended at the end of August.

@@CalibanRising Yes but by then the Allies were well into France

@@jacktattis True. The point I was making was not to confuse Operation Neptune (D-day) with Operation Overlord, the hard-won Normandy campaign.

@@CalibanRising tHANKS

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