This theory makes it all the more fitting that Dialga, Palkia, Darkrai had special events for the launch of the DLC, pokemon connected to time, space, and dreams

Seems like jirachi woke up and felt generous

So Terapagos has an unknown power which allowed Sada and Turo to create an actual working time machine which works thanks to information from an alternate Earth or so? So in a way, it's a time travel story with elements of imagination and alternate universes? It definitely does explain their term, because they don't fit neatly in one codified group, it seems.

Thanks! This definitely clears up all the questions I had after finishing the DLC 😅🔥

Uhh, Toby. Whatever Heath wrote down can’t have been for the Time Machine because whatever that was evidently wasn’t enough for the Professor to have made the Time Machine. It wasn’t until they got Briar’s Book from us that they were finally able to crack it. And by that point they already had the Scarlet or Violet Book.

This may be one of the last lore videos you make but it’s still a great one thanks for the memories over the years Toby stay awesome. 👍

I feel vindicated. I’ve been a supporter of this theory for so long

It’s very likely that we’re getting a third DLC, we still have so many unanswered questions, and when you talk with Turo or Sada they will give you their personal copy of the Violet/Scarlet book, which means we can reactivate the Time Machine, and Heaths Phantom Memory where he met Terapagos was just like this, either in this same spot, or somewhere similar, and in the sketch it was the Stellar Form of Terapagos, and Heath had a page of notes where he didn’t know where it came from, so we could have hime travel forward in time to us and either show him how to make the equations or tear out the page, which would make it a Bootstrap Paradox, where there is no beginning or end. We may even in this hypothetical third DLC, we may be able to go to a area in the Future or the Past with more Paradox Pokémon, because it now been confirmed that Terapagos has time travel powers and not dream powers, because we just brought the real Turo/Sada to us, and we know this isn’t a illusion because in the journal entry at the Area Zero Under-depths entrance we hear the professor write about being transported to Kitakami and meeting us and keeping the book which they describe as a white volume, and the book we give is a white book.

So it's a dimension vs universe discussion again

I believe that the three legendary birds in Sword & Shield and Regieleki are paradox forms of the original legendarys

So I was correct in saying the paradox pokemon come from alternate timeline apart from the main timeline

Toby, I only found your channel quite recently, not more than a year, but I have to say, I loved every single video I watched from your channel and it is very devastating for me when I heard you're going to stop making content 😢. Although with that said, I respect whatever path you've chosen and I wish you'll have a great future ahead! Soar high Bird Keeper Toby. You are without a doubt, a Pokemon Master!❤

the Interaction is very similar to the ability that Terapagos shows in the anime to show memories

This gen's lore was one of the best

In a way I’m kinda glad they confirmed it this way because it fits for all the theories, so yes they are from Time but also from different timelines separate from the main timeline, so they are not naturally from the main SV timeline and not actually Ancestors or Descendants of our Pokémon.

Toby, you are one of the only KZfaqrs I will make time to watch even at work, I’ve enjoyed your content so much and have seen just about all of your videos. I’ve enjoyed witnessing your journey, and I wish you the best during your break! I figured I would go ahead and speak my piece so- thank you for everything ^^

One day we’re gonna pop out of the time machine at Bill’s house in Kanto lol

Sad to see this is one of the last Lore videos you will make.

So basically, the paradox Pokémon aren’t necessarily from the past or future. Rather, they’re from alternate universes?

I honestly find it super lame that they're just from other timelines, it's just Ultra Beasts but again... Would have been much cooler if they were imagined and brought to reality through the wishes of Sada and Turo

So the Time Machine didn't move front or back in order to get the Paradox Pokemon, but moved side to side between different timelines but at the same relative point in time. Huh, didn't think I'd get to say this but...CALLED IT

To be fair I imagine both Sada and Turo used the lab before they split

That tree better have lore

I love how wierd this story and some other pokemon stories are. THis is just all so interesting. Area Zero is one of the coolest places in any pokemon game

So we can see that Terapagos can cause time travel as he zapped Sada/Turo to the crystal pool. So I guess Terapagos and the radiation of its crystals is what caused the paradox pokemon to appear in Area Zero in Heaths time too. Then Sada/Turo used these crystals to build the Time Machine

I think you put too much thought into the strangeness of the ultra beasts. Team Rainbow Rocket, from US/UM are a better analogy since they're just bad guys from the various timelines and realities where they succeeded. They're all from earths just like the one we're familiar with... Though the UBs are too, really. Recall the city where Guzzlord is found...

Ive played scarlet for hours, pretty much on and off since release. Ive traveled through area 0 at least 20 times before the dlc for item drops. I saw great tusts the first two times i went in, didnt even see sandy shocks until 2 weeks ago.... 2 WEEKS AGO!!!! BUT!!! I finally have all scarlets paradox

so paradox pokemon are really just ultra beast with just a sligthly tweaked origin, and even then if you believe guzzlords live on parralel timeline earth, then paradox pokemon are literally just ub-s with a diffrent abilities

Fair play on owning that the imagination theory was a bust. This is a good explainer of the quantum mechanics and ideas presented in the Indigo Disc, as it obviously isn't that sophisticated enough to be super clear. Heath's forgotten memories and likely due to timelines blipping in and out of existence because of what we learn; he loses the memories because the things they are of no longer exist.

Well, I certainly hope somebody picks up that phone. Because I CALLED IT!

I’m so glad there is still some truth to the time travel over it just being just dreams, I always found the dream theory really lame in comparison to time travel and even if it’s more multiverse travel the multiverse and alternate universes is still an aspect of time travel so I’m perfectly satisfied

Bootstrapping paradoxes always feel like a let down to me, but im glad it's finally confirmed

Wow a in to the spidervurse thing. Amazing

Different timelines? Well, that's disappointing. But it's better than them actually coming from "Da Past" and "Da Future".

In terms of more it seems that Ultra Beast come from deep in space in the main timeline and in their worlds events happened differently but similar to the main Pokemon World whereas these Paradox Pokemon come from different timelines of the same world

I'm a lore goblin, I love this

Do you want to see more convergent Pokémon?

in case there was ever any doubt, pokemon still loves its alternate timeline shenanigans

i mean Terapogos does have the same similar power in the anime tho it only shows memories welp i guess we have to wait till Liko and the gang solves Terapogos' power

So I was hoping for a little more to work with but Terapogos does kinda fit my Meteor Space Dragon theory in many ways. Terapogos is at the deepest heart of a two million year old crater, it's the origin of a unique energy that has a strange effect on other Pokémon, and a few other small details that are similar to Kyurem (ancient meteor, fragmented essence), Nekrozma (meteor impact, fragmented body, Z-Energy), Eternatus (ancient meteor, fragmented body, Galar particles and Dynamax), Arceus (otherworld, fragments its own power, its influence empowers Noble Pokémon), and maybe even Rayquaza (stratospheric, empowered by meteors, unique tie to energy of Mega evolution). The two they aren't dragons, Arceus and Terapogos, are both Normal types with unique type changing mechanics. There's not enough yet to say it's a deliberate design choice but there's definitely something of a pattern.

I think a lot of us have been missing the whole point of the paradox pokemon. The past and future dont exist. You cant go back and you can't go forward. The only thing that lets us experience things prior to our birth or after our death is our imagination or dreams. Terapagos is just a very old turtle who's been around from the ancient past and will live to see the distant future. Terapagos turns energy into tera crystals, which store his memories and bring them to life. Somehow, these allow terapagos to access all of his crystalized memories, even those from the future. My guess is that there are a bunch of terapagos dropping crystals everywhere and sharing memories. The "time machine" is essentially just a big artificial terapagos that's able to recreate the past and future. Unlike Terapagos, Sada and Turo never saw these far-flung eras, but their obsession caused them to imagine it vividly. That gave the time machine the push it needed. Therefore, the "paradox" is that these are Pokemon appearing after their deaths or before they were born, summoned by the memories of someone who never met them. This also gives game freak a lot of wiggle room with legendaries, since tera crystals can just churn out a new mewtwo or arceus whenever the player needs to catch one

1:55 My theory was they’re Pokémon corrupted by too much Tera-Energy.

The lore around the professors and the paradox pokemon reminds me a lot of the song time machine by miracle musical (and hawaii part II in general tbh) (go listen to it it's really good)

the way I understood Sada and Turos version of "time travel" is that, yes, they're grabbing Pokemon from another timeline, an alternate universe, but also from another point in time from that timeline. That timeline is still probably extremely similar to the regular Pokemon timeline, like how the Mega-timeline is to the original timeline, or how Black and White are to each other. It's honestly a rather realistic approach to timetravel taking into account multiverse-theory, if you learn how to travel to an alternate universe, you should theoretically be able to travel to any point in time in that universe, which would be much less complicated than traveling to another point in time in your own universe, although this would of course also be possible from another universe, but for Sada and Turos purposes, just grabing the Paradox-Pokemon off another timeline is enough. It's also a distinctly seperate mode of time travel from Celebis, presumably. I also doubt that Sada and/or Turo traveled to Heaths time at any point, especially not with Terapagos, as it seems to me that they only got to study Terapagos in its dormant state, while Heath obviously saw it in its Terastalized state. I also assume that, had they talked to Heath, he'd allude to them in the book, but also that the Scarlet/Violet book alone would then contain information that on its own would help Sada/Turo complete the time machine, without needing their experience of meeting us or Briars book, which leads me to assume that rather Terapagos transported Heath to the future for a moment, quite possibly one of Sadas/Turos labs, where he got the chance to look over their research, while the Paradox-Pokemon he and his team saw would probably have been displaced there in a similar way momentarily before Sada or Turo permanently brought them into the present.

Idk the story still feels very unfinished like what was the metal plates all about or the etching on the ground in Area Zero like they must have some significance if they’re both on the logo of the game and what about that crystal tree? That seems too important to just never be elaborated on. Surely we’ll get another dlc unless it’s all content that got cut or changed feels to me like Terapagos was supposed to be at the end of the base game

Haha so yes the Time travel theory was correct

Of course it an muitverse thing again per usually I mean go look at pokemon master ex some characters such as Giovannia,Cyrus and chairman Rose are alternative version with Giovannia is the same Giovannia from usum games that lead rainbow rocket or the fact that Dawn and Rei are base on the player's

Just a quick thing about Guzzlord. It’s not native to the Ultra Ruins.

been watching since before the sun and moon release, thanks for all the fun!!

I've got one quote that sums up the DLC, Multiverse Theory is a b!tch.

Ima wait for the lockstin one.. lol

Do you wanna see more paradox pokemon in genten

5:15 cool animation

While seeing Sada/Turo in at the crystal pool is essentially a bootstrap paradox it could be not an alternate universe but an application of the Novikov self-consistency principle. What we did was part of history all along and therefore not a paradox.

I had that thought the paradox pokemons were created.

I wonder if this paradox pokemon time machine setup is related to the Delta Episode's Link Cable at all? Since it was inspired by a pokemon, but clearly a different technology...

>“I’m leaving KZfaq indefinitely” >”DoN’t FoRgEt To BuY mY mErCh” >does the absolute bare minimum to maximize ads by making a video just over 8 minutes >shares barely any new information in regards to lore, mostly recycled information that we knew before the dlc

THANK YOU YJANK YOU THANK YOU I'm so glad the dlc has confirmed this because this is legit how I took everything I was confused by every one saying it was born from dreams. This games about time travel 😅 and other games have introduced alternate dimensions. Both can be involved with each other its not like they're conflicting

But that doesn't explain how Heath could've seen paradox pokemons in area zero, even before there was a time machine built by Turp.

Do you want to see all three or something new

I always thought that paradox Pokémon were mutated Pokémon.

I always thought it was alternate pasts and futures (before we knew terapagos's name) I also had more insane theories like how heath might be a theoritical phisists

It is so amazing that this theory, or at least part of it, is actually true! I'm glad they explained Paradox Pokémon in a good way, instead of just letting them be there.

So paradox pokemon are from timelines that never happened and timelines that will never happen. Which makes them paradoxes. Also id say its completely different from ultra beasts cuz ultra beasts are from other dimensions if i remember correctly.

But what about the weird symbols in area zero where roaring moon/ iron valiant are found

Wait, how does that explain the Paradox Donphan that Heath saw?

You don’t even need to complete Kitakami to go to Blueberry & you catch the paradox forms quickly if you use HOME.

I was never a fan of boot strap time travel stories, I never liked how they introduced items or ideas with no origin. And while it's explained as alternate universes or worlds, it still carries the unnessecary complex element of boot strap time stories.

I'm not sure if you are going g to ahimangapop Plymouth, and I'm also not sure I'm going this time either. So I wanted to say thank you for being such a lovely person and I wish you as much luck as you need for your next endeavour!! ❤

Wait but how does Arven have the book then? If the professor gives their copy to and alternate timeline version of us in every timeline then how does the Violet/Scarlet book end up with Arven

Are they actually from an alternate timeline though or did Sada/turo simply miscalculate I mean through that whole interaction he/she assumes he/she is in an alternate timeline Maybe it’s still the past and future of a different timeline so they can still be ancestor/descendant perhaps

listening to that scarlet/violet song, i cant help think of the Rick and Morty theme...its weirdly similar

You'll never see the master ball the same again! For 2 reasons!

I absolutely loved Pokémon SV and the dlc the teal mask and indigo disk made it even better. This has to be the most interesting Pokémon game when it comes to the lore and still plenty of unanswered questions like how Heath was able to see the paradox pokemon currently in area zero, what is does the symbol in that cavern in area zero mean, who left those unscratchable metal plates, what’s the deal with that crystal tree, what timeline did the AI professor go to. Ik the story has concluded but damn would love to see a continuation of this and if you go to see Arven he has one piece of new dialogue as he comments in the violet book you receive from Turo from the past.

I havent played but i must support my favorite pokeTuber

Do you want to see more regional variants

If my future is the reason of my past.... Should I do the paradox of doing the cycle or should I do the paradox of breaking the cycle?

Hey Toby Dont leave ok? :(

Maybe none of them are from the future, like magearna and genesect

Wait I played to the end of the DLC… how do you give them the book? I went back down there and didn’t see anything?

We’re gonna miss you so much Toby….

I don't buy it. There are just too many references - Terapagos is showing people dreams of different timelines. Physical dreams, yes, but manifestations that are temporary, transient like mist. Heath described his experience as a reverie that he barely remembers. Plus, the person isn't time traveling at their location, they're anchored to wherever Terapagos is in that time, because Terapagos can only show them timelines it experiences. Plus Terapagos is a freakin' dreamcatcher! It even does a handstand when it attacks that shows it with feathers down and everything.

How do you see this cut scene?

I always thought paradox pokemon was because of time travel stuff. Never believed in the dream/imagination theory myself

Pretty cool that we caused a bootstrap paradox

Gimme a Pokemon game where you explore other timelines and I'll get back into the series

Professor churro best character

Gonna miss this pokemon master😭

not finding out the spouse of the professsor is disappointing. i had hoped more story and character development for arven and even one more meeting with their parent but suppose not. The Delta Episode in ORAS has dealt with different universes/timelines and steven did try to send a meteor to another universes pokemon world, so yea i could see your theory holding true, theyre past/future pokemon of a different timeline/universe.

VIDEO SPOILERS: So...the answer to why they exist is basically just more of what we've theorized about for the series as a whole where each installment is an alternate timeline/dimension/world? But just with an added caveat that the WAY they were created was via some kind of dream/vision mist? Honestly, I don't know if I'm getting it yet.

as an avid zero escape fan, this pleases me

This video literally shows time travel caused by the power of terapagos

The loyal 3 got stronger due to a peach probably, this set is scientific and not "mythical"

YESS MY THEORY WAS CORRECT!!

I’ve been waiting for thisssss

how does one trigger this sideplot? i wanna know how i can experience it myself, the dlc isnt very forthcoming about it

Its a Canon event boys.

are you telling me the pokemon community were overthinking this the past year ? oh my

Called it. Obviously these pokemon were not simply from the past and future of this dimension (I mean the dimension of _these_ games, it's already been established that the original 4 gens were a different dimension). People were like "Walking Wake is the original ancestor of Suicune!!11!1!1!!". No... clearly paradox pokemon were intended to be paradoxical it some way, hence the name. And yes, the paradox does involve time travel but that is for a circular progression of events that has nothing to do with ancestors or descendants of regular pokemon from the normal timeline. I believe the "wishing" and "dreaming" comes in with _why_ and _how_ these extra-dimensional pokemon got here. Quite unbelievable that the professors were able to acquire these "paradox pokemon" so that they could then appear in the past for Heath to witness them which would then inspire the professors to try to acquire those pokemon. Pretty remote chance that the extra-dimensional pokemon that they happened upon were the exact ones that they were looking for. Seems kind of like "wishing" and "dreaming" had something to do with making this paradox possible. The professors wished and dreamed that the pokemon myths they grew up with could be theirs, and it just so happened that among the infinite multiverse there existed such pokemon and they just so happened to be able to get those exact ones.

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