that’s acid for ya

Years ago I read the Dennis Wilson biography it was crazy

Theres always a bigger fish

And Dennis said Go Ahead

He was a scumbag though, having orgies and hanging out with people that would become murderers. Open your mind and listen to something worthwhile for a change. It doesn't always have to be rock, rap, pop, etc. Try some classical music for a change and grow up.

@@alukuhito I mean yeah he wasn’t the best person, he would even go on to marry Mike Love’s illegitimate daughter around the end of his life. He really ruined his life with drugs and alcohol. But I don’t really see the need to assume what music I listen to, that just kinda came out of nowhere.

@@jackmarchant06mike love - now there’s a horrible fucking person

And Caribou

Sadly after Pacific Ocean Blue he got worse and worse.

Hell yea!

How can you say that when “Cabinessence” is on that album? 🤓

Charlie wrote that song and they stole it from him that's why the family went looking for Melcher

Fact is, Charlie was an extremely talented songwriter and a decent singer / acoustic guitar player. I have that Manson album and outside of production which sucks, the songs are all really, really good. In fact I would argue most of Neal Young's Harvest album was very heavily influenced by Manson.

⁠@@Rambo69710 they didn’t steal it. Dennis paid Manson over $100k for the song, along with months of free rent, food, and medical bills to the leeches they called a “family”. That’s more than most unknown songwriters could ever dream of getting. I’ll never understand why so many people immediately take the side of a psychopath who orchestrated the murder of multiple innocent people.

I don't think that what is presented here takes into account all sources on the history. Stephen Desper (whos knife story was included here) has said he recorded a bunch of demos with Charlie with no Beach Boys present. Dennis certainly had a friendship and I think Mike went to one of orgies according to Mike but Charlie was definitely Dennis's thing,

I knew about them moving into dennis's house and he couldnt get rid of them and they did want to murder terry melcher!

It was a different time, people tended to be way more free to visitors and what not, The Tate murders kinda killed the whole movement.

​@@thirdhandlv4231 The murders and the Altamont incident pretty much killed it off. Woodstock was the sendoff.

I don't think the idea of "never trusting a hippie" is good advice because being a hippie had nothing to do with the murders. The people who committed those murders were clearly mentally ill people who happened to be hippies. The hippie culture didn't commit the crime...a handful of deeply disturbed people in a cult-like environment did. Big difference. That's like saying guns kill so don't trust them. It's never the gun, it's the disturbed people behind the gun that kill. There were Vietnam Veterans who returned from the war and became hippies because of their experiences and outrage of what they experienced over there, I knew a few, should we not trust them as well? Exactly. There's more to people beneath the surface. Hippie is just a title and you could interview 1,000 former hippies and get different perspectives as to what being a hippie means to each one of them. This was more of a cult thing given Manson's immense ability to influence people around him. In that way he shares the stage with Jim Jones and David Koresh. As for Jim Morrison the best advice he needed was not to trust himself because of his escalating drug and alcohol abuse which killed him at 27. The lesson learned here is quite simple. Never trust anyone who encourages you not to critically think. That's the better advice because it actually works.

@@jonnuanez7183 Possibly, but it's debatable. Many historians will point to Kent State as the single biggest incident that killed the hippie culture.

@@thirdhandlv4231 It had a negative impact, though very memorable, it was a bit limited because the Manson family was more of a cult-like community under the direct influence of a single central character. That is why I don't agree that it killed the culture. It generally takes a series of events or a more profound event to kill such momentum. The previous month was Woodstock, so the momentum from that event would require something more impactful, and sadly that's exactly what took place in 1970. That would be Kent State University. More & more historians will point to THAT particular incident as the one single event that impacted the culture the most. A lot of people wrote off the Manson family murders, though very disturbing, as something that would happen in Hollywood sooner or later given it's rich history of scandal, and suicide & murder. It's sadly kinda of a thing when you examine the entire history. To be fully holistic about what eroded the culture it's best to interview as many former hippies as you can and get different perspectives. I've heard it all from the assassinations of MLK & RFK being the beginning of it to the election Nixon, Manson, Kent State, Watergate, and the Vietnam War carrying on till 1975 as culprits. A few even blamed Evel Knievel for some reason. Kent State though, is the one topic that I found to be mentioned the most. In my opinion it's probably bookended with the two assassinations of '68 and Kent State in '70. The filler in-between is likely a bunch of things including Manson.

would make a funny SNL skit lol

mike love is a square as is al jardine. they saw through him

No thanks.

It's an ok album maybe slightly better than the Beach Boys post 1978 work.

It is indeed an awesome album. People should give it a chance, they might be surprised

Also Nikolas schreck.

I got a “Thumbs Up”! Thank you!

Me too I wish I could have had tea with Charlie ☝️

Charlie don't surf

That makes sense; The Wrecking Crew were the real musicians on most of the Laurel Canyon scene bands' albums.

@@wcgcapone carole kaye has said that manson is why she quit doing pop/rock sessions. much is made of dennis's connection to manson, but supposedly brian introduced manson to carol kaye in a LA studio. one party was entering while the other was exiting. reportedly brian also took manson around and introduced him to many in the music business. jim morrison would drive hs car to the ranch in search for drugs. joel McCrea's son Jody from the beach party movies also partied at the ranch. actress angela lansbury wrote a note for her 15 year old daughter giving her/the daughter permission to travel with 'the family'. there were many more h-wood/music celebrities other than neil young and dennis with connections to manson.

@@johnrunion5357 It's going to take me several days just to process the Carol Kaye and Angela Lansbury thing.

@@stevenfunderburg1623 i highly recommend tom o'neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60's. it was researched for 20 years.

@@johnrunion5357 I have seen him discussing it with Joe Rogan and I am very intrigued to read it. 👍

No Alan Boyd and Mark Linett avoid anything to do with Manson.

Love the Clash

Rare mike love W

And that’s according to Mike love? Yeah Idk about that

I actually think that Susan Atkins used to babysit Mike Loves kids

Mike love is full of bs.

Agreed! U did ur homework. 👍

Where's the proof that Manson was a huge beatles fan?

@@pajanightbadger1713 How about "Healter Skelter" (misspelled), and "Piggy" written in blood at the murder scenes?

@@FenderBassMustang He wasn't present at one scene and he'd left the other scene before the murders and finger-painting started. Anything else?

Agreed 👍

@@krisscanlon4051 thinking about it, I seem to remember tat story coming directly from VDP.

Yet according to Tom o Neil in his book chaos. Terry Melcher showed up at Mansons ranch in September 1969 after the murders and begged forgiveness!! At first Neil didn’t believe this story but Melcher confirmed it when one of the girls described the car he was driving. And he told the author that was his car !

My favorite of his. I also like Sick City and Home Is Where You're Happy

No such thing exists.

Upload a rip please

Charles manson doing lead vocals on a beach boys single? If it did exist there's no way it would be easily accessible. None of them want to be associated with manson rightfully so, so if it did exist I'll bet its only on a the physical 45

You are mistaken. The b-side of "Bluebirds over the Mountain" is the Beach Boys version of Manson's song "Cease to Exist" called "Never Learn Not To Love" sung by Dennis Wilson with the Beach Boys on backing vocals. Charlie is not on it at all. The single version is about 30 seconds shorter than the album version without the reverse gong at the beginning.

The money could go to the victims families. It would be a shame to destroy the tapes as they are part of a very interesting time in American history. The material won't be released while anyone that was involved in the recordings is still living.

@@illinoisroy6325 If that's what the families specifically want and are asking for then perhaps yes...maybe. And it's a big, big maybe. I'd wager they'd be at peace with never having this material released. The truth is that I'm unaware of any of them calling for its release which tells us two things...they are either unaware of the recordings existence or they are aware and they do not want any part of it. I'd wager on the latter but that's just me. Releasing this material does open wounds. Keep that in mind. This topic is not that black and white. It's terribly grey in this case and the consequences of releasing this material is something that would need to be very carefully examined, with attention to legalities for all involved. The Beach Boys have crafted a very specific legacy, done mostly with great care within the fabric of American music. One of the things that holds this in place are things like perception. Artists generally have a runway in which they want that perception to take off as best as possible, with a few deviations of misperceptions to be expected...but not too many. Releasing recordings featuring Charles Manson will create a macabre fascination with the band to just enough people to become a thing, and that is troubling because that perception of interest can begin to alter how they wish to be remembered or referenced, so it's easy to say as an uninvolved person, to suggest they should do this or that, or have this or that done after they're all dead, but it's a completely different perspective though the eyes of the artist who have their names attached to that specific work...forever as it also is with their families. The personal opinion or conviction from the band, on this topic, is very evident in the fact that these recordings, well over 50 years old, have not been released. That's a very crystal clear intention. If it is there conscious wishes to never have this material released then that wish should be honored in perpetuity. As I stated the world as we know it has done just dandy all of these decades without their release. There is nothing to be gained that's relevant by releasing this material but their is something to lose. I betcha Brian Wilson would agree.

Except for the CIA B.S.

The song garbage dump pops into my head every now and then... that song is kinda funny

-With Charlie it would be Bad Vibrations.

Was Tex Watson who did all the killings ably assisted by Krenwinkel. Preacher Watson.

The same generation responsible for this psychedelic degeneracy are the same ones whom accuse the Internet kids of being the harbringers of apocaylpse.

Have you seen the vid "Charles Manson Superstar"? It's on Y.T.

@@captainape6807 No I haven't. I'll give it a look. I never have really searched out a lot of information on Manson but I've seen a number of TV and other documentaries through the years. Thanks for the info.

@@Bootradr You're welcome.

Sounds like you're not that informed.

There's also a story about Jim Morrison driving up to Spahn Ranch talking with the Manson girls, but then decided to split- Im sure Morrison found something off about Charlie's girls and spooked him out.

I have heard quite a bit of the Manson demo tapes ( that's all they were) and the words that come to mind about the words and music: Positively dreadful.....