Holy smokes!!! Those are amazing stories!

Well honestly my family went to court with this my godfather is Dennis Wilson and and I remember a lot

Wasn't her house she rented it from Rudi Altobelli my mother's produce her my father is Greg jakobson who was best friends with Dennis Wilson

@@aliharris9776 wow interesting..all these secrets are fascinating. I've i. DC..right by what I call everything swampy.

@@whoknowsidont.5147 I find it completely erratic what people are saying like they were there they were not I was that is my family I find absurd

I keep my friends close, my enemies closer and a group of secret service attack raccoons the closest ..

Well don't pickup hitchikers

​@@tedpeterson1156 It was the 1960s. Stranger danger wasnt until two decades later.

Adhd ?

I recall reading that Sharon had seen Manson at the property a week or so before and was creeped out about him.

That house was actually owned by Rudy Altobelli my mother's producer I grew up there the child

That was something I wasn't aware of. Makes sense for him to be able to get the hell out without having a lot to handle after he left

YUP! True!🤔

Dennis was my godfather and I lived there I don't think you live there and I don't understand how you think you know this you guys are all like completely wrong

Can you give some more details?

@@aliharris9776 I agree. Dennis was a sweet man who went through a lot just growing up. I'm writing a book about this and when he died I cried a long time. I do that with characters sometimes but he's a real person. Troubled and flawed, he just discovered his own amok talents making an amazing albums his brothers wouldn't even listen to. That broke his heart. Everyone here is calling this great like this guy knows what he's talking about. He doesn't and I'm glad you set things straight godspeed

Awesome, thank you!

"Mike Love" your content, I see what you did there

Manson was angry because they changed the lyrics and gave him no credit. He wanted both Dennis and Terry Melcher dead. Melcher lived in cielo drive before Sharon Tate did.

@@jackflack4253do be fair, Manson didn’t want songwriting credit on Never Learn Not To Love. He wanted (if I’m not wrong) some money and Dennis’s motorcycle. Manson did however object to the lyric and title changes.

@@Gabriel2oh6 I'm pretty sure manson always wanted money.

Thanks Matt!

It's so not accurate it makes me want to vomit

Why does this even concern you guys are stupid this is like my life what I grew up and you guys are so wrong

I also have not heard that Brian Wilson was the target. Way back in 1971 it was made clear by Ed Sanders in his book The Family that it was Dennis that had the connection to Manson and not Brian.

Yeah, this is an unfortunately incorrect detail I heard as a kid. I mention it early on. It wasn't until I had a wild hair to look it up one day that I was corrected and blown away by the story as a whole, so I decided to do a video on it to help others who could also be misinformed.

@@arielbonzai462 no shit

@@Phelps-1247 detective ? I doubt that given your relatively benign wit and inarticulate malice. Then again ....law enforcement doesn't have very high standards

Mike Love wrote about it and talked about it in an interview and it's like it's no big deal. There's definitely a connection.

I’m pretty sure that story has been debunked. No body in a well has ever been found.

Ya man, all those poor people were murdered over a diss from a photographer. That was personal hoss, and it was over a legendary album and Charles Manson becoming the major music star he should have been. He could play guitar and he could sing and write killer lyrics and Terry Melcher and the Beach Boys robbed Charles of a career and stole his lyrics as he wrote the whole Pet Sounds Album.

Loada shit.

Marty Melcher died and then Terry realized he'd squandered her fortune left her in debt and signed a contract for her to do a TV show. Terry got her out if the and produced the show

Thank you!

What the fuck are you talking about? Wilson first meet Manson in April 1968 and Tex joined the Family in 1967...

@@turdferguson9190 No what the fuck are YOU talking about? In JUNE OF '68 Tex picked up Dennis Wilson hitchhiking, and Wilson invited him back to his house. Watson visited the house several times and ended up living there for the summer. Charles Manson and the family were regulars at Wilson's mansion, and with time Watson decided to join. Manson met Watson at Wilson's house

@@jamieflowers1493 thank you . Absolutely correct

Really? How early/late on was this before Dennis left the house? I didn't find anything on this while researching the story.

Thank you so much! I appreciate the support!

Yeah, this is an incorrect detail I heard as a kid and it wasn't until I decided to look it up one day that I was blown away with the story as a whole.

@@RulingNoteMusic sorry I took it out of context.

Alot of these minimalist gurus are ironically the biggest gluttons.

1) Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure about the validity of the story itself, but I wanted to include it as more of a character assessment on Dennis's part, being he was so misrepresented in the TV series. Dennis was no pushover. 2) Now this is a very interesting point to consider. I may follow up on this if I can compile more info, possibly into a multi-theory video.

@@RulingNoteMusic Now that's a rational and reasonable reply, a relative rarity in the YT comments section. As for the motive for TLB, "multi-theory" is an apt description. I have written in this section before that all the evidence and trial testimony tells us that with Manson, there were three interwoven motivations. 1) Helter Skelter, the imminent race war/apocalypse which Manson preached "constantly." 2) His retaliation against the establishment for denying him a musical career 3) The staging of copy-cat murders to free family associate, Bobby Beausoleil from prison. Though each of these three motives are provable, using them all could possibly muddle the case and confuse the jury. Prosecutor Vince Bugliosi sensibly went with the one he felt had the best chance for conviction, which was HS.

@@stddisclaimer8020 this is definitely something I'm going to have to dive into a bit more. Fascinating! Thank you for the information!

@@RulingNoteMusic The murders were also supposed to get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail by writing in blood on the walls. They wanted police to think this was done by the same people who killed Gary Hinman. (the Black Panthers). I've been following this case for 50 years. There are so many twists and turns

@@rachelbennett3853 Holy smokes! That's insane! I never heard about this!

Wow! Thank you!

The Manson Family girls did come up with a plan to get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail. He was in jail charged with the murder of Gary Hinman which he actually did do. When Gary was killed one of the girls wrote “Political piggy” on the wall in Gary’s blood. The intent of the killer and the accomplices was to make the Hinman murder look like it was done by Black people, even the Black Panthers. This is basically what you said with more details. You’re right. The copycat motive was one of the motives. The girls came up with a plan to get Bobby out of jail. The girls decided that if they did copycat crimes in a few other locations and left some message on a wall or a door or a refrigerator written in the blood of one of the victims that the police would think that those murders were all done by the same people because writing on the wall in blood is not something that is normally found at a murder scene. The girls thought that as soon as the police investigated the crime scene at the Tate house and at the LaBianca house that the police would connect the three murders because of the bloody writing on the wall and then they’d think that Bobby wasn’t the one who killed Gary Hinman. because there was no way for Bobby to have committed the copycat crimes because he was in jail at the time. It didn’t work. In fact I don’t know who the police officers and detectives and whoever else was working on the case was thinking because it took them a while to even connect the murders at the Tate house with the ones at the LaBianca house even though there was writing in blood on the wall at both crime scenes. Motives: 1. Drugs / money. Gary Hinman made some mescaline that was no good. Bobby sold some to the Straight Satans biker group. It was bad. The bikers wanted their money back. They threatened to kill people if they didn’t get the money. The money had been spent. Bobby tortured Gary for 2-3 days and then killed him. Apparently Gary didn’t have the money either. 2. Drugs / money. Tex was dealing drugs. He owed money to another drug dealer and the other dealer was threatening to come to Spahn Ranch and do bad stuff to them. So Tex owed either money or drugs to this other dealer and Tex didn’t have it. He had to come up with money or drugs fast. I know that Jay Sebring, Voytek Frikowski and probably Abigail Folger too were dealing drugs out of Sharon’s house. Tex had been to parties at that house earlier in the summer before he met Charlie. I believe that Tex was involved in drug deals at Sharon’s house too. I believe that the night they went to the Tate house Tex was expecting to be able to get enough money or drugs to pay back the drug dealer and the bikers. But all they got was $70 from Abigail’s purse which wasn’t nearly enough. 3. Helter Skelter (Charlie didn’t believe in it. He was using it to put fear into his followers so that they’d stay with him and do as he said because they’d believe that he was the only one who could keep them safe. 4. Copycat crimes to try to get Bobby out of jail. (Discussed above.) 5. Money. Charlie needed money fast. Tex still owed the one drug dealer and Bobby still owed the bikers. This is not all part of the “official” story but some is. I believe there were two motives behind the murders of the LaBiancas in addition to the motives that I listed above. Charlie and the family had lived for a while in an RV that was parked in Harold True’s driveway. They were all partying and in and out of the house and in and out of the RV and making a lot of noise. The LaBiancas lived next-door to Harold True. Charlie thought that the LaBiancas were the ones who called in the noise complaint to the police. That’s one reason why they might have been targeted. The other reason was because Charlie and them still owed money to some bad people. I don’t know if Charlie and the Family knew that Mr. La Bianca owned a small chain of grocery stores or not but they could tell from looking at the house and looking at the other houses in the neighborhood that the LaBiancas must’ve been fairly well off to be living where they were living. There’s two possibilities here. One is maybe a bit far-fetched but it could’ve happened. This version has Charlie and Tex going into the house and tying up Mr. LaBianca but not Mrs. This theory goes that after he tied up Mr., Charlie forced Mrs. into the car and they drove to one of their grocery stores and made her get money out of the store’s safe to give to Charlie. It was probably a few thousand dollars or however much Charlie needed in order to pay the drug dealer and the bikers. Then after she gave him the money they drove her back to her house and when she got back is when the killings started. Like I said I don’t have solid proof that this is how it went but Charlie had to have come up with the money somewhere because neither the drug dealer nor the bikers followed through on any of their threats. If that isn’t how it happened, then my belief is that there was enough cash in their house for Charlie to pay off the drug dealer and the bikers. I do believe that Charlie got the money he needed from the LaBiancas because if he hadn’t then the drug dealer and the bikers would’ve followed through on their threats and they didn’t. NOTE: The murders had absolutely NOTHING to do with record producer Terry Melcher. Charlie played his music for Melcher, but Melcher turned Charlie down. This was when Melcher was living at 10050 Cielo Dr before Sharon and Roman lived there. Charlie had gone back over to the house earlier in the summer because he wanted to talk to Melcher. He was told that Melcher didn’t live there anymore. Charlie knew Sharon lived there. He knew where Melcher lived. If Charlie had wanted to do anything to Melcher Charlie knew where to go or where to send his followers. Charlie and Melcher were seen talking peacefully 2 different times by 2 different people and both times were after the murders. If Charlie had it out for Melcher, Melcher would’ve been killed. But Melcher wasn’t killed because Charlie didn’t want to have Melcher killed. Period.

That was part of it, as well as trying to incite the race wars Charlie spoke about, which had thought had been prophecized in the Bible and the Beatles' "Helter Skelter." Beneath it all was Manson's rage at his rejection by his parents and those who were the Establishment, the successful people in society that he felt had snubbed and cheated him. "

What wasn't in Helter Skelter was that Melcher visited Spahn Ranch *twice* after the murders.

Delusional Views of The Past. 60s were a pretty troubled time not unlike now or any other time really.

Oh yes, absolutely! It was how I remembered hearing it as a kid but I was blown away by how much I was off the mark. That's why I decided to make the video!

@@RulingNoteMusic I didn't mean to be rude. There's so much out there. It's hard to figure out the truth. I'm immersed in he Manson scene and I feel bed for Dennis he was never treated well or given respect he made a great album and Brian wouldn't even listen it you know how many beatings he took for that guy?

I googled for like button and subscribe button free stock overlays. I also get a lot of my free stock footage from Videvo and Pexels. They may have some there as well.

Thank you. Maybe you'll see it here soon : kzfaq.info/love/wrezQaXIml_-GxCnve_Rlw

You should read Chaos by Tom O'Neill. He gets as close as anyone has to making the connection between Manson and MKULTRA.

Louis jolyon west worked in part at the haight-ashbury free health clinic which at the same time manson and family frequented. He was also a Cia funded psych and participated in mkultra.

@@MrCholander wow..I'll take that.. and thank you for that information.

@@yuothineyesasian it's a good book, I have it but O'Neill gets back into The Helter skelter nonsense and undoes and invalidates everything else he said.

@@MrCholander Jolly West was also Jack Ruby's shrink rt before he went insane and prior to talking to a reporter

Since licensing can be a little complicated I chose not to include the songs themselves in the video, but when I heard them I was shocked at how similarly they were written. Links to both songs are in the video description if you want to hear them!

Dennis never stole anything from Manson. That is a tired old myth. Dennis liked some of Mansons songs and paid him money and a motorcycle for the rights to Cease To Exist Never Learn Not To Love.

I did read somewhere that his involvement with them tortured him until his death..

No. Severe alcoholism, drug use, and homelessness

@@LetitRainNow450 Likely stemming from abuse by his father and feeling not fully accepted by his brothers or society.

@@lisellesloan3191 partly but mainly he had severe addictive personality

@@lisellesloan3191 Dennis actually had a better relationship with Murray than either Brian or Carl did at the end. They both loved boxing and would watch it on TV together. I don’t think he had any feelings of not being accepted by his brothers. The brothers had their ups and downs but we’re still pretty tight.

I'm starting to think that his sister broke him out

So Dennis wasn't a coward...yet he wouldn't take the stand to convect a guilty man..he Chumped out..if he fought mason over the bullet threat then why cower the other two times..mason was a little guy..all talk like most..

Yeah, that hippie schtick went right out the window for Terry after the fight at Spahn Ranch lol

Actually he was just a person. A person who spent his life involved in societies jails and was trained by the outsiders of society.

They called themselves Slippies because they could use hippy style to slide their ways under the radar.

Not Charlie, he was totally street. Life and death 24/7

isn't there a famous saying that Manson killed the 60s with the Tate murder?

Yes,you are right.Ithink there is no much difference between a madman like Manson and a prison guard.

The world of the arts is often very perplexing. Alot of our sitcom characters are often based on real people.

Much more changes than that. Structural changes in the music

Yeah, I should've been more clear at the beginning of the video that what I heard as a kid was all wrong. I actually go over all of this and correct this info throughout the video in the case that anyone else heard it the way I did.

Someone else wouldve done it.

Charley expected Dennis and Melcher to make him a rock star. They may have made promises out of fear of Charley. I suspect Melcher did something to screw things up--he has a long reputation of fucking everything up--he's no genius--he was treated carefully because he was the son of Doris Day who was still pretty big in those days.

No ! Oh whas in to the house of Jay sebring !

Never heard of any of this before. Is this personal knowledge or available publicly somewhere?

Yes ! Read tom o Neils book GHAOS !

that author must have been smoking crack, it's total bullshit.

Cia,Cia,Cia

He didn't. That was a mistake.

This is one of the best reviews I've seen so far. In my research I was running into a lot of roadblocks but your assessment as to reasons and circumstances surrounding these incidents is intriguing; especially the incident with the stuntman, and also considering my musical interests, Melcher's mobile studio. I hadn't heard about either of these. I'm going to have to take a look at this. Thank you!

@@RulingNoteMusic - I didn’t know that you didn’t know some of what I said. I’m sorry about being snippy in my comment. That wasn’t my intent. I’m aware that none of us know what we don’t know until we learn it and that some sources don’t have accurate information. Based on your response, I’ll tell you some more pertinent details. Over 30 years time of off and on doing very unofficial Charlie research, I could probably write a book or more, but I have no interest in doing so. Some things that I know I know are true with a high amount of certainty. I have no idea if some of the things I know are accurate or not and I’m not interested in doing research. This is an interest. I don’t want it to turn into work. The stunt man’s name was Donald “Shorty” Shea. He was from Massachusetts I think. Somewhere on the east coast. He had a “cowboy” look about him so he tried to see if he could make it in Hollywood. It wasn’t easy for him. He ended up at Spahn Ranch. Old Man Spahn hired him to help take care of the horses and allowed him to live on the property. He did get some movie work and left the ranch for however long it took to complete that and came back to the Ranch. He and Spahn had a deal that he could leave for movie work whenever he got some and when it was over he could come back and live at the Ranch and help take care of the horses. He and Spahn became friends. There are slightly different versions of what happened when things fell apart. 1. Someone who was concerned about Mr. Spahn’s well-being was concerned that Charlie and The Family were conducting illegal activities on Mr. Spahn’s Ranch (they were) and they paid Shorty to spy on Charlie and the others and report illegal or suspicious activities or behavior to police. And Shorty did. 2. Shorty himself became concerned about Mr. Spahn’s well-being because of the illegal activities of Charlie and The Family. Shorty wanted Mr. Spahn to kick them off the property. Mr. Spahn didn’t want to kick them off because from the beginning Charlie had told the girls that one of their jobs was to “take care of” Mr. Spahn. They cooked and cleaned and took care of his “needs” in the bedroom. I believe that Lynnette Fromme was the one who was primarily assigned this duty, but she wasn’t the only one. Mr. Spahn didn’t want to kick them off the property because his playtime with the girls would stop and he didn’t want it to stop. Apparently Shorty took matters into his own hands and reported the illegal activity to the police on his own. Police came out and did a raid. Charlie knew or suspected that Shorty had been the one who called police. Whether it was scenario 1 or scenario 2, Shorty had reported the illegal activities of Charlie and The Family to the police. That’s being a snitch. As of Charlie’s release from prison in March 1967, Charlie had spent a bit more than half of his life in reform schools, jails, and prisons. Charlie knew the rules of prison. He didn’t really know the rules on the outside. In prison you snitch, you get harsh consequences from the other prisoners. Not only was Shorty a snitch, his ex-wife was African-American and his daughter was mixed race and Charlie was very much a racist. Shorty was very upset about Charlie’s speaking his racist views out in the open. Two different scenarios here too. 1. Steve “Clem” Grogan, Bruce Davis, Charles “Tex” Watson, and Charlie told Charlie that they were going to the auto parts store and they needed his help. The car didn’t get far, pulled off the road, Clem hit Shorty in the back of the head with a pipe wrench. He was unconscious. They they he was dead and dragged him down a ravine. It was determined overnight that he was not dead so the same 4 men came back the next day and stabbed him to death. 2. Susan Atkins lured Shorty to the ravine and the murder happened soon after. Same 4 men. There’s a lot more. My playtime in the Charlie rabbit hole is over for now. I suggest that you don’t believe Vincent Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders. That subtitle is a lie and it’s right at home with a whole bunch of other lies and untruths that are between the covers of that book. Honestly that’s the only book I’ve read so you can’t go by me, but KZfaq channel The Backporch Tapes by Michael Channels is said to be good as well as KZfaq channel and book Goodbye Helter Skelter by George Stimson, KZfaq channel Spahn ranch worker by Stoner Van Houten (screen name), KZfaq channel and book(s)? CHAOS, etc by Tom O’Neill plus his interviews on Joe Rogan’s podcast on KZfaq. You’re going to find contradictions so you don’t want to engrave anything in stone until you’ve been around the block several times. And consider your sources.

Best reply I've read. I cam e here to say much of this (and then promote CHAOS by Tom O'Neill) But yes, the "narrative" falls apart pretty quickly.

@@RulingNoteMusicManson did get into some dispute with a stunt man while Melcher was there. It wasn’t Shorty Shea, who they did murder later. It was another guy who died mysteriously before he was able to testify about the gun used in the crime. His name was Randy Starr.

I'd love to follow up and correct any information. Is there a site where I can look things up or any point of contact for your sources?

@@RulingNoteMusic check out CieloDrive.com. She's got tons of info.

IIRC, All I Want To Do is on the Sunflower album.

@@MIKELIN8 All I wanna do is on Sunflower,All I want to do is on 2020

I THINK 2 more victims tex was a animale full off dope rellentless ,a killer !!!!

Mits steven parent had a pistol ........

I have read that FROM tex somere !

Seems like this is true of Dennis Wilson too. Charlie did t ruin his life. He sucked things up a lot but Murray Wilson is the more culpable His bandages weren't much help either. Of course the drummers most dangerous enemy was himself.