The LUCKIEST Speed Run Ever? (Pokémon Fire Red)

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TheChiptide

TheChiptide

2 ай бұрын

How lucky could you possibly get in a game of Pokemon? It seems like a simple question, but as you will soon see, it has a not-so-simple answer...
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@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 14 күн бұрын
Ok, so a couple of minor things that I forgot. First, I was not keeping track of our Squirtle's HP throughout the run, since I had assumed that since we were dodging basically every attack, it would not matter too much. However, some of you pointed out that with Squirtle's ability Torrent, sometimes it might be advantageous to get hit and be low on HP so we can deal more damage. And second, there's a weird mechanic in Fire Red and Leaf Green that I completely forgot about where having certain gym badges will buff specific stats for your Pokemon. Specifically, Blaine's badge gives you a boost to Special Attack, making it easier to one-shot pokemon later on. That's why Blaine is done before Erika, so that would also change the numbers a bit. Good catch, everyone!
@Arne_bishop
@Arne_bishop 2 ай бұрын
The irony of this whole thing is that if this ever happened and you tried to submit this as a speedrun, everyone would just think you cheated and the speedrun would get rejected. I guess the real question is what is the luckiest game of Pokémon people would still believe you accomplished legitimately.
@Gamingturtle090
@Gamingturtle090 2 ай бұрын
That adds a whole other layer: analysing the rules made up by moderates on the internet, the most inconsistent things ever
@jcnot9712
@jcnot9712 2 ай бұрын
Because…you probably would need to be cheating to make it happen. That was the whole point of the Dream situation.
@ChilaAuroraVT
@ChilaAuroraVT 2 ай бұрын
Honestly I feel people would question the runs legitimacy the moment your first 2 guesses in Lt Surge's gym were right
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, if anyone ever claims to have done this legit, they're basically saying they've done the most unlikely thing that a human has ever, and will ever do!
@iconic-dx6js
@iconic-dx6js 2 ай бұрын
Babe, chip tide just dropped a 45 minute video
@snakexpert552
@snakexpert552 2 ай бұрын
Next thing we need is someone doing a TAS of this run and seeing how much faster it is compared to the current WR time
@nikkis.3181
@nikkis.3181 2 ай бұрын
This is the rng the npc’s in nuzlockes get lmaooo
@aabrightlove
@aabrightlove 2 ай бұрын
17:28 - The optimal path is to plan for the maximum number of grass tiles (all five), but to simply walk upwards after getting a nidoran on the first tile. It doesn't seem like you accounted for that as an option
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, that's really smart, I hadn't thought of that! Would be a little more complicated to find the odds for that, but I'll have to look into it
@aabrightlove
@aabrightlove 2 ай бұрын
@@TheChiptide Thanks for the reply! Yeah, it should entail just some additional algebra, but I think it's not a big deal tbh. This probably wouldn't even change the odds by an order of magnitude. Still, I wouldn't blame you for wanting it to be precise after all the work you put in!
@dameist
@dameist 2 ай бұрын
I hate to be that guy, but there are stat boosts from earning badges that you could also take into account which would make the chance of OHKO-ing some pokemon more likely
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Ah, crap, I totally forgot about that…
@daponagegoogenburg807
@daponagegoogenburg807 2 ай бұрын
Having to redo the math bc of a single tile. Feels bad man
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Feels bad, indeed.
@michaelday6870
@michaelday6870 2 ай бұрын
Now I want to watch a tool-assisted speedrun of this to see how fast Pokémon can be when you take luck out of it! They could call it Luck% or something. Nice companion video to the blind and deaf FR run!
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
That video was actually a big inspiration for this one, glad you liked it!
@ChrisTheKind
@ChrisTheKind 2 ай бұрын
My God... Chiptide must be really dedicated to his craft to do something this insane. Love the video, and really love the humor. 💚
@ghostboy4115
@ghostboy4115 2 ай бұрын
I can’t believe you managed to make me watch 44 minutes of pure MATH and enjoy it. Thanks for all the effort you put into these videos, I really appreciate it :)
@banditrests
@banditrests 2 ай бұрын
Fun fact, I. Gen 1, the trash can puzzle in surge’s gym is bugged. It’s supposed to generate the second switch adjacent to the first one but instead it’s a 50% chance to be the top left can every time.
@arti2901deer
@arti2901deer 2 ай бұрын
So basically... That's my brother's every run ...
@ryutak777
@ryutak777 2 ай бұрын
Just remember like the editor wrote "DO NOT TRUST..."
@justacat6993
@justacat6993 2 ай бұрын
For anyone curious the full sentence reads "Oh, and before you resume, I have a very important message for you, DO NOT TRUST"(Screen cut off)
@JackieJKENVtuber
@JackieJKENVtuber 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for describing my first playthrough of Pokémon Fire Red! I did not expect this to be so accurate!
@Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzab
@Pizzzzzzzzzzzzzzab 2 ай бұрын
How did I manage to stay entertained for the whole video? I don't know, but good job for making that possible.
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! I had to reshoot and cut out a lot of stuff from the original script to keep the pacing up, so I'm glad it paid off!
@Limomon
@Limomon 2 ай бұрын
Petition to name 4.83*10^202 a "FireRed-Poképlex" and 2.66*10^214 a "Shiny-FireRed-Poképlex"
@XhanAnimations
@XhanAnimations 2 ай бұрын
The further and further this video got the more the absolute MOUNTAIN of work this took showed. All this just for a single video is INSANE
@just-another-lunatic
@just-another-lunatic 2 ай бұрын
the good thing is : if something like an eternal afterlife exist, we will have something to keep the boredom at bay for some time.
@silverfoxxarts
@silverfoxxarts 2 ай бұрын
I personally think this is the best video you've done when it comes to making viewers deranged from all the probabilities and maths, which means... GREAT JOB, CONGRATULATIONS. YOU DID IT. For a moment I thought you were going to figure out the exact time this speed run would be timed as, but that is already even more work on top of figuring all of this out. So it looks like we'll have to find a crazy TASer who would be willing to waste- Err I mean, use up their hard earned knowledge and time making this run VISIBLE. They might even find new issues to deal with, like priority moves or something...
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
I considered doing that, but there's just too many variables involved, especially if you assume a human is doing it. Who knows, maybe someone braver than I will attempt to find that out one day, though!
@TheCrogun
@TheCrogun 2 ай бұрын
I know its technically a disease, but catching Pokerus would have been an interesting wrinkle in these calculations. Pokérus doubles the EVs gained from defeating Pokemon so catch it in the beginning of the game and your maxing out your EVs twice as fast, which can be very lucky.
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Actually, I did consider that, but I looked into it and apparently Pokémon can’t spawn with Pokerus in Fire Red and Leaf Green! The only way to get it would be to trade in a pokemon with Pokerus from Ruby and sapphire
@kreepingdeth198
@kreepingdeth198 2 ай бұрын
After seeing the thumbnail change 3 times, I have decided that I don't even feel like watching it.
@CommanderWiggins
@CommanderWiggins 2 ай бұрын
Either this was a collab with KeeganJ or this was the biggest coincidence ever to hit my subscription box.
@aberthegamers
@aberthegamers 2 ай бұрын
I feel u man I tried doing the same thing and quit
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
When I started I genuinely didn't think it would be that bad, and by the time I realized it I was already in too deep!
@17abcdgh
@17abcdgh 5 күн бұрын
He did all the math to figure out the chance of the luckiest possible run, but didn’t tell us how long the run would be 😔
@Stachelbeeerchen
@Stachelbeeerchen 12 күн бұрын
Even rolling for a starter is completely screwed up with all of the stat variables.
@dbazile15
@dbazile15 2 ай бұрын
I wonder who is going to try to make this run a reality
@lilyzheng2322
@lilyzheng2322 2 ай бұрын
Whenever your videos deal with probability you never account for psuedo-rng based bias
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
I didn't know that was a thing until now, but I'll have to look into it!
@BarbellBlasterBlex
@BarbellBlasterBlex 2 ай бұрын
This video length is a dream come true
@ArielVHarloff
@ArielVHarloff 2 ай бұрын
Wouldn't this have been infinitely more easy using the original red edition rather than fire red?
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Not necessarily, that game has a ton of weird quirks that are hard to account for in something like this. I'm not super familiar with the games, but I know that like half the formulas in the game straight up don't work like they're supposed to!
@simonalbert7518
@simonalbert7518 2 ай бұрын
You forgot that after every battle you could get infected with pokerus, which would waste time after you heal at the next center visit until the last one, in which case you might need it for the extra EVs that could give you an extra stat point to help you KO something (probably does not but it could)
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Actually, I did look into it, and in Fire Red and Leaf Green specifically it’s apparently impossible to contract Pokerus! You can trade in a Pokemon who already has it from one of the Hoenn games, but I guess to try to stay faithful to the originals you can’t get it naturally
@nothingnowhere5092
@nothingnowhere5092 2 ай бұрын
god i love math
@mr.cheese8097
@mr.cheese8097 2 ай бұрын
You're crazy, dude. But I admire your dedication.
@Jackledaman
@Jackledaman 2 ай бұрын
Hate when my nucleons decray 43:13.
@zeldaandTwink
@zeldaandTwink 2 ай бұрын
we need a follow up to explain how much time this would save
@grantbaugh2773
@grantbaugh2773 2 ай бұрын
I wonder if this is even *theoretically* possible. Like, would the random number generation in the game make this impossible to actually achieve?
@TuxedoMaskMusic
@TuxedoMaskMusic 2 ай бұрын
fun video my mad scientist friend lulz!
@overseerpjoe9477
@overseerpjoe9477 2 ай бұрын
Alternative title: The Average Playthrough for Dream (Not Cheating) (No Hacking) (Totally Legit)
@edwinmaster7326
@edwinmaster7326 2 ай бұрын
this happened to me once
@vincenthall5908
@vincenthall5908 2 ай бұрын
But, if you do this speedrun, how fast would it be? Since its the theoretical fastest possible run, it could be a good source of reference to compare to the current world record!
@Chord_
@Chord_ 2 ай бұрын
26:00 Perfect joke, no notes
@eleviathan7488
@eleviathan7488 2 ай бұрын
You didn't mention it but I assume you calculated the Torrent ability in your damage calculations.
@user-bi4yt5sj9v
@user-bi4yt5sj9v Ай бұрын
Oh, he didn't
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide Ай бұрын
Since I’m assuming you never get hit unless you can’t possibly avoid it, and you’re one-hit-KOing 90% of the pokemon in the game with crits anyway, it never actually came into play, unless I missed one somewhere
@eleviathan7488
@eleviathan7488 Ай бұрын
@@TheChiptide Well I'm thinking that Torrent can turn two or three shots into one shots. And you have to take damage anyway so it may be optimal to avoid healing: 1. To save time and 2. To possibly activate Torrent for faster and or less risky fights. And you probably get down to 1/3 health at some points no matter what so it would be something you have to consider in some battles. Although if you're factoring for torrent and avoid pokemon centers then you have to account for PP usage as you can't just use potions and stay in torrent range the whole game. I mean I get why you didn't, it's another variable in an already huge equation, but I'm just trying to be thorough.
@eleviathan7488
@eleviathan7488 Ай бұрын
And then there's other pokemon's abilities, like blue's overgrow, Poison point, flame body, static, intimidate, and the like, but most wouldn't have any impact. Maybe this experiment would be similar in gen 1 or gen 2.
@danielchick1
@danielchick1 2 ай бұрын
0:33 determinism disagrees
@CaptainKrby
@CaptainKrby 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service Mr Chiptide o7
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
o7
@jschmidty2332
@jschmidty2332 2 ай бұрын
Is this what the tas does
@aidanhogan-thomas1797
@aidanhogan-thomas1797 2 ай бұрын
Where was the shiny vs non shiny run odds?? 😢
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Non-shiny odds at 40:48, shiny odds at 41:10
@michelleslay2701
@michelleslay2701 2 ай бұрын
Do you think a rng seed like this actually exists How long would it take to find
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
Pokémon doesn’t use seeds to determine this sort of thing, so it theoretically is possible, if not insanely rare!
@lilian95110
@lilian95110 2 ай бұрын
17:56 Hate to ruin all your wild encounter math, but this is also incorrect. The game gives you a few steps grace period after encountering a wild Pokémon where you will never encounter another one. So if your first grass step is an encounter you know the next one won’t be.
@pepperthekobold
@pepperthekobold 2 ай бұрын
So, what would be the total time for this perfect-odds speedrun?
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
I wanted to try to figure that out, but the real answer is "it depends". At that point it really just comes down to how fast you can navigate the menus and stuff, and figuring out the fastest way to do that without making a whole TAS is pretty much impossible
@pepperthekobold
@pepperthekobold 2 ай бұрын
@@TheChiptide Ahhh, fair enough
@hsudishshusixj
@hsudishshusixj 2 ай бұрын
You should have a lot more subs than you do.
@CathyDotUK
@CathyDotUK 2 ай бұрын
I can achieve this
@TheChiptide
@TheChiptide 2 ай бұрын
"This run is hundreds of orders of magnitude rarer than anything that will likely ever happen in our universe" ... "So you're saying there's a chance?"
@CathyDotUK
@CathyDotUK 2 ай бұрын
@@TheChiptideYou don't get me i am built different i will use the hidden tactic that i have mastered
@Merione
@Merione 2 ай бұрын
Speedruns are cool and all, but do you want to really bury yourself in a spreadsheet for at least a month and drown in math? Go calculate the minimum number of controller inputs needed to complete a run
@thatoneidiotcurrentlyliving
@thatoneidiotcurrentlyliving 2 ай бұрын
40:04 answer is here
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