The Magical Minority Trope is Still a Problem

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The Magical Minority trope has been widely condemned for its racist undertones and problematic takeaways -- yet to this day it’s strangely difficult to get rid of. It involves a person of color existing in a film or TV show seemingly just to serve the heroic endeavors of the white protagonist. The Magical Minority uses a special “gift” they possess, whether it's mystical connection to the supernatural, hyper-intelligence in a specific area, or an exceptional talent. And they apparently expect little to nothing in return besides the satisfaction of helping the white person find themselves.
The Magical Minority actually stems from fake progressivism and a surface attempt to create “positive” media representation of people of color. But given the realities of race in America, this trope is a white writer’s fantasy. It soothes white guilt by providing white audiences with sympathetic white protagonists to see themselves in, without having to shift focus away from the white character’s experience. And it depicts people of color as helpers or servers, instead of as whole, autonomous people with their own dreams and goals.
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@thetake
@thetake 2 жыл бұрын
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@ec6621
@ec6621 2 жыл бұрын
7:14 keep in mind in the movie Ghost, Oda May isn't irrationally self sacrificing. She only agrees to put herself at risk to help Sam because he threatened to haunt her for the rest of her life. So although she didn't stand to gain much (or anything), she stood to lose her sanity.
@diegom-a7970
@diegom-a7970 2 жыл бұрын
Please make a video about soldiers and war :)
@JesusIsTheSonOfGod_john316
@JesusIsTheSonOfGod_john316 2 жыл бұрын
Who could like this video?
@burnsloads
@burnsloads Жыл бұрын
This pin is the epitome of internet activism
@unrealmai
@unrealmai 2 жыл бұрын
In The Vampire Diaries, Bonnie is quite LITERALLY an example of The Magical Minority
@pastlesandfish
@pastlesandfish 2 жыл бұрын
The character of Bonnie in the books is actually white and has Druid heritage. That's where her magic comes from. I think TVD show runners changed her into being a black witch of Salem descent as a way of making a strong, black female character but she fell into the magical minority category very quickly.
@Historyandlegends789
@Historyandlegends789 2 жыл бұрын
Also was one of the most boring characters on the show
@jayl0v3ly
@jayl0v3ly 2 жыл бұрын
@@Historyandlegends789 because they wrote her that way. Kat Graham and Ian Somerhalder have both spoken about how they would practically beg the writers to do more with her character and possibly give them a love story. It’s also pretty well documented that there was racial tension on the set. The main writer Julie Plec was very vocal about her dislike of the character Bonnie/Kat and was caught on Twitter trolling fans who said anything positive about Bonnie or said they wanted Bonnie and Damon to get together. Kat had a really shitty experience on that show
@pastlesandfish
@pastlesandfish 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayl0v3ly That really sucks. Bonnie was one of my favourite characters and I always wished they'd delved more into her past and gave her more plots of her own. I was also a big Damon x Bonnie shipper when I watched the show.
@Historyandlegends789
@Historyandlegends789 2 жыл бұрын
@@jayl0v3ly that is a real tragedy.
@inescastellano7960
@inescastellano7960 2 жыл бұрын
This trope was mocked in The Simpsons when the family had a black therapist and Homer kept saying he was an angel 😭
@trinaq
@trinaq 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, I remember that episode! All signs kept pointing to him being an angel, including his heavenly sounding ringtone, all white suit, and his name literally being "Gabriel."
@skopde
@skopde 2 жыл бұрын
Also, the Native American lady from the movie that Homer later calls his therapist mentioned that he still has not payed his bill.
@laneythelame
@laneythelame 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahahaha
@akym82810
@akym82810 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah The Take has yet to know what deconstruction means
@Antares2
@Antares2 2 ай бұрын
@@skopde I was about to comment about how she keeps pushing for him to pay his bills. It's actually hilarious.
@WildWestSamurai
@WildWestSamurai 2 жыл бұрын
Since it's mentioned that the Magical Minority is an inverse of the White Savior, now I can't help but imagine a parody where a white schoolteacher goes to an inner-city school to "save the children" only to come into conflict with a Black janitor giving the one white kid in class a bunch of folksy wisdom. Hijinks ensue and they battle each other for dominance as the better mentor while the kids manage to do just fine on their own.
@LiaAlfonso
@LiaAlfonso 2 жыл бұрын
I'd watch that
@Caterfree10
@Caterfree10 2 жыл бұрын
I’d watch that tbh. Someone write the script and shop it around I’m begging.
@beleden1215
@beleden1215 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to add the B plot where the ruling elite want the discord about race and not class. Take our scraps while you fight one another about your skin that you didn't choose.
@AI-dp3rd
@AI-dp3rd 2 жыл бұрын
And a C plot where the two main characters bond despite their differences, and eventually fall in love when their two favorite mentees go missing (the kids turn out to be stuck in a well, which they fell down while trying to rescue an endangered, nocturnal species … movie ends on a triumphant rescue plus main characters’ kiss). It would make millions
@beleden1215
@beleden1215 2 жыл бұрын
@@AI-dp3rd lmao. In the C plot they found that simply being poor brings you together more than the psychology of racial politics tears us apart. Then their kid will grow up and tell them how they are racist by some retarded logic, forgetting what their parents fought for and faced.
@Wura18
@Wura18 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should talk about how black protagonist in Disney films Are literally human for 15 mins in the whole movie and are not human for most of the movie
@GenerationNextNextNext
@GenerationNextNextNext 2 жыл бұрын
We can thank Asia, especially China for that. They wouldn't see it otherwise.
@mewesquirrel6720
@mewesquirrel6720 2 жыл бұрын
What?!
@getrichordietryin2371
@getrichordietryin2371 2 жыл бұрын
an example?
@Wura18
@Wura18 2 жыл бұрын
@@getrichordietryin2371 princess and the frog, soul and spies in disguise , these are the only major films that have a black protagonist but they are transformed into something else for most of the movie
@BlondeCurlsBlueEyes
@BlondeCurlsBlueEyes 2 жыл бұрын
It also happens with other non-white characters like Kenai in Brother Bear, and Kuzco in Emperor's New Groove. That said, it does also get used with white characters sometimes, like Arthur in Sword in the Stone.
@trinaq
@trinaq 2 жыл бұрын
In "Moxie", protagonist Vivian is inspired to start an anonymous feminist zine by plucky new girl Lucy. While it's a decent film, I kept wishing that we were following Lucy's story instead, since she didn't need anyone to "inspire" or "teach" her.
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr 2 жыл бұрын
I doubt that. SOMEONE inspired and taught her at some point. How else would she know anything or know what dream she wanted? We are ALL taught or inspired. No one just rises out of the ether fully formed.
@aaliyahstark7948
@aaliyahstark7948 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr no this isn’t it. You don’t need someone to inspire you to not turn tail and leave, not everything needs to be taught, some people just don’t stand down. The point is we were following a white character who wasn’t even being harassed or bullied instead of following the black girl who was being faced with racial aggressions. The black girls pain was a push off point for the white protagonists story to begin
@zitronentee
@zitronentee 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr Reading, listening to people's stories, experience. It's not always 'taught' per se.
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr 2 жыл бұрын
@@zitronentee someone wrote that book. Someone told that story
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr 2 жыл бұрын
@@zitronentee in a movie, they use an actual person talking to another person bc a 2hr movie of someone watching Ted talks on KZfaq is less visually exciting.
@yttwitterfbfreak
@yttwitterfbfreak 2 жыл бұрын
The magical minority trope could also be seen as a tool of justifying the appropriation of POC's ideas, culture etc; because in the context of the magical minority, the POC gives permission for their ideas/ gifts to be used by the white protagonist in order for them (protagonist) to better themselves vs the POC of colour using those same ideas/ gifts for themselves.
@shilohgoes5544
@shilohgoes5544 2 жыл бұрын
This
@Sweethearts4969
@Sweethearts4969 2 жыл бұрын
perfectly put! 🥰
@niceasf7038
@niceasf7038 2 жыл бұрын
Yep
@blutygar
@blutygar 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that something like that wasn't mentioned for Cobra Kai, since that's definitely used a lot
@PlannedObsolescence
@PlannedObsolescence 2 жыл бұрын
Do people think white people never have ideas? People are idiots.
@mundaneamazing
@mundaneamazing 2 жыл бұрын
I love that y'all brought out "the silent Asian" and "the black sidekick". These are things I HATE to see in popular culture because it rarely gets called out.
@jaminavestajugo3456
@jaminavestajugo3456 2 жыл бұрын
So easy to internalize these tropes, too. I sometimes still feel ashamed for not being a "silent Asian" in real life.
@lookhowshegobbledthat
@lookhowshegobbledthat 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaminavestajugo3456 And you know especially white conservative men LOVE that silent subservient Asian trope.
@zippymufo9765
@zippymufo9765 7 ай бұрын
BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA was interesting because on the surface it seems like Dennis Dun was the "Asian sidekick" but it's really the white guy Jack Burton who's his sidekick----Dun is the one who's making all the decisions and kicking the bad guys asses, while Jack is the comic relief goof.
@becca1chan8773
@becca1chan8773 2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me. Holes is a straight up deconstruction of this trope. Like Sam and Kate's story is a villain origin story for Kate because the two fell in love but they both ended up in danger because they lived in a society that wouldn't allow for a mixed race couple. And Madame Zeroni cursed the Yelnats because they used her as a stepping stone to better themselves and that curse is only broken when Stanley helps her great great grandson recover from food poisoning.
@Rowe104
@Rowe104 2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same thing
@kimberleywilliams7802
@kimberleywilliams7802 2 жыл бұрын
beautiful, reminds me why I liked the movie.
@benedictifye
@benedictifye 2 жыл бұрын
I think they’re right. Zero exists to help Stanley, him even being there at all allows Stanley to remove the curse by accident. And Sam exists as an inciting incident for Kate’s journey, discarded after his role is finished.
@Rowe104
@Rowe104 2 жыл бұрын
@@benedictifye but Stanley also helped zero grow and learn and prove to the people especially the counselors that he wasn’t a zero- so I thought it was a great friendship- and sam and Kate was literally a biracial relationship about love that the racist of the town couldn’t handle and was the impetus of her downfall- I don’t see the magical minority here at all- she didn’t grow and he wasn’t just thrown away plot device- their relationship was the a key plot about love and acceptance… so I completely disagree with theirs and ur take
@dailleaucatherine2486
@dailleaucatherine2486 2 жыл бұрын
The book goes even further in that direction as it humanizes Zero a lot more and explains that Sam keeps repairing things for Kate 'cause he loves her and wanna spend time with her but can' t because of their different status. Aslo he doesn't appear as magical in the book since he just knows that onions are super healthy and Kate's peach jam saves Zero and Yelnats more than a century after her death!! She's also the one to curse the place so she is way more magical than Sam
@lilil9752
@lilil9752 2 жыл бұрын
An example that was a little annoying was in The Queen´s Gambit (a series that i otherwise liked a lot) the black friend tells the heroine (who is going trough a breakdown) that she is not there to be her guardian angel or to save her...except that´s exactly what she does and the last scene of her is smiling because of Beth´s acomplishments , they awknowleged the existence of the trope but didn't defied it in anyway to validate Jolene´s words.
@AxxLAfriku
@AxxLAfriku 2 жыл бұрын
One thing! Just one thing! Please tell IT to me: WHY tf do I have so many fans even though no KZfaqr is unprettier than I am? WORLDWIDE!!!! WHY??? Tell me, dear lil
@beaniepq
@beaniepq 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting this so succinctly. The writers gave viewers a wink & nod with that line, but ultimately did nothing to challenge a trope they were clearly using. Queen's Gambit is a fantastic show, but their use of that trope was a letdown.
@trinaq
@trinaq 2 жыл бұрын
Preach! 🙌🏾 While I loved the series overall, I was a little irritated by that scene as well. Yes, you're being self aware by pointing out the existence of a cliché within your narrative, yet you're also enforcing the stereotype, and playing it otherwise straight.
@ChopxAnkx
@ChopxAnkx 2 жыл бұрын
Woke loser
@christinethuo6840
@christinethuo6840 2 жыл бұрын
I forgot about that .
@kimifw58
@kimifw58 2 жыл бұрын
But when you're talking about Asians, you have to think about the stereotypes of their respective countries. They're all stereotyped as stoic, but Japanese are stereotyped as polite while Chinese are stereotyped as rude.
@kimberleywilliams7802
@kimberleywilliams7802 2 жыл бұрын
what about Koreans? maybe I think south Koreans are stereotyped as polite and submissive maybe?
@kirag9509
@kirag9509 2 жыл бұрын
@@kimberleywilliams7802 Koreans are stereotyped as hot-headed -> like passionate bordering on craziness
@melodyclark1944
@melodyclark1944 2 жыл бұрын
Where are Chinese stereotyped as rude? The most famous Chinese movie is Mulan where her traditional family wants her to be calm and obedient. You mean rude as in the Dragon Lady?
@Liliquan
@Liliquan 2 жыл бұрын
@@melodyclark1944 Dude. Mulan is based off an ancient Chinese poem. The original comment is talking about Chinese characters in movies not set in ancient China.
@kimberleywilliams7802
@kimberleywilliams7802 2 жыл бұрын
@@melodyclark1944 I think they mean in terms of old racist caricatures. Sometimes in movies you see Chinese people cursing and being loud in movies in their native tongue.
@BerusJ001
@BerusJ001 2 жыл бұрын
...not the misunderstanding of 'Holes' oh no. Sam and Kate was literally about racism, and Sam literally was the only person to learn what the lizards don't like to protect themselves. And Madame Zeroni cursed The Yelnats BECAUSE he used her as a stepping stool. Stanley broke the curse because he got to know Hector as a person, and no longer held himself as higher or better than him.
@msjkramey
@msjkramey 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! That irritated the hell out of me. It's pretty surface level (since it's for kids), but it covers individual and systematic racism. They even had Sam essentially get called the n-word the night he dies ("you kissed the onion-picker"). They butchered that movie in this
@MsNonblonde
@MsNonblonde 2 жыл бұрын
The Take, Did you watch "Holes" all the way through?
@BerusJ001
@BerusJ001 2 жыл бұрын
@@msjkramey yes, it feels like they deliberately ignored what the movie was saying
@WildWestSamurai
@WildWestSamurai 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was odd. Sam is literally Kate's love interest and the entire subplot was about prejudice against interracial couples. He doesn't help Kate for no reason. Stanley Yelnats is also Jewish, so he doesn't exactly fit the trope either.
@juliao9479
@juliao9479 2 жыл бұрын
If anyone wants to watch an excellent video essay on Holes, I highly recommend Yhara Zayd's. It's really well-written and I've seen it multiple times. Love her.
@msjkramey
@msjkramey 2 жыл бұрын
Are you really going to gloss over what really happened in Holes like that? Sam wasn't *just* Kate's handyman. She kept on asking him to come fix things because they fell in love and that was the only socially acceptable way they could spend time together *because* of all the racism. Sam didn't die because he fixed her school house. He died because a jealous racist white man caught them kissing and formed a lynch mob. If he fits any trope, it would be the "girlfriend in the freezer" trope because that's the inciting incident for her to become Kissing Kate Barlow and start robbing and killing rich white people.after her initial vengeance on the people responsible for Sam's death And you also completely glossed over all the racial themes in the rest of the movie, too. Zero couldn't read because of being homeless and not in school, which led to his eventual arrest. When Zero asks Stanley to teach him in exchange for help with digging his hole, the other campers/inmates antagonize both of them for making Zero into his "personal slave," which leads Stanley to say he can dig his own holes and still teach zero. Not to mention that they were *friends* and cared about each other. And you left out the fact that Zero and his family also got rich at the end because the two families split the treasure 50/50 Holes might be "baby's first look at racism" as far as movies go, but it was there and you really had to reach and leave things out to turn it into a magical minority trope. Smh
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Gave them a firm side eye with their Holes critique especially with Madam Zeroni. They struck a deal, and he didn't meet his side of things and his family was cursed for generations, and the only way the curse was broken was for the current generation to fulfill that debt. Baby that's reparations. Shows we can't leave harm done in the past in the past. That shit follows us. It shapes our lives in the here and now. Only when past wrongs were righted did everything get better for everyone (except those dedicated in perpetuating harms). You want to pick on Holes, you better come correct. Not trying to reach for the stars with this dumb take.
@tflenderson9636
@tflenderson9636 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, I agree... even the first interaction wasn't for nothing Sam & Kate bartered their labor
@loveoflife3081
@loveoflife3081 2 жыл бұрын
@ParticularlyGoodFinder Yeah you should. It’s such a good movie and book. Although I do prefer the book due to the extra details of Stanley and Zero as characters.
@LauraEDavis
@LauraEDavis 2 жыл бұрын
love all your takes here. I always thought of that story as a much bigger allegory for social inequality and racism.
@marygracebuckley9367
@marygracebuckley9367 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you’re right. Sam has some elements of this trope, but he’s much more a gender-flipped example of Women in Refrigerators. He’s killed to show that racism ruins everyone’s lives. Also, this video misses the fact that Kate keeps thinking of things Sam can fix and Sam keeps agreeing to do them so they can spend time together as they fall in love. In the 1800s, they wouldn’t be allowed to spend time together without some sort of business-related pretext.
@mitsiejc1077
@mitsiejc1077 2 жыл бұрын
Please do the Dehumanization Transformation trope where Black characters and other POC in animation are needlessly transformed into animals or another non-human creature to learn a “lesson”. Examples are: Princess and The Frog, Soul, Brother Bear, Emperors New Groove, Spies in Disguise
@leannewheeler5351
@leannewheeler5351 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! This. Disney stay turning Black folks into animals...or in the one about the jazz teacher who dies and has his body taken over by the soul of a White woman. 🙄 I can't remember the name of it right now.
@keithkoganeislife3144
@keithkoganeislife3144 2 жыл бұрын
One thing Brother Bear is based on Inuit Shamanistic legends, so it doesn’t really apply here.
@tolegen84
@tolegen84 2 жыл бұрын
Angel Gutierrez its called „Soul“ i think)
@leannewheeler5351
@leannewheeler5351 2 жыл бұрын
@@tolegen84 thank you 😊
@SOURCEw00t
@SOURCEw00t 2 жыл бұрын
You could have just said POC, instead of saying "Black and POC" first. You know, since we are all equal. I notice the same thing white people get harped on (which is valid) black people have emulated. It's almost as if some black people are trying to equalize themselves to white people by still inadvertently directing the "us vs them" trope. Don't distinguish the same problems minorities share in divisions unless it's specifically targeted at a specific race. This shouldn't be, "ok let's get black people elevated then will get the rest" fight.
@cccccccch33kie
@cccccccch33kie 2 жыл бұрын
I once told a colleague about an herb that my tribe loves incorporating in dishes. She then exoticized my narration and blew it out of proportion as if I was a wise man from ancient times. Little does she know, said herb was just scallions crushed on mortar. Nothing "mystical" or "magical" about it. We just preserve traditional cooking methods. Nothing more, nothing less.
@rocketpoweredunicorn
@rocketpoweredunicorn 2 жыл бұрын
that's totally wack, I'm sorry that happened to you especially in a professional environment
@andreaweber8059
@andreaweber8059 2 жыл бұрын
Did not you laugh in her face?
@cccccccch33kie
@cccccccch33kie 2 жыл бұрын
@@andreaweber8059 wanted to roll my eyes.
@storm3927
@storm3927 2 жыл бұрын
that sucks. ❤ what tribe are you from?
@cccccccch33kie
@cccccccch33kie 2 жыл бұрын
@@storm3927 an ethnic tribe in the Philippines.
@niteshade2271
@niteshade2271 2 жыл бұрын
This trope affected me in such a sub-conscious way. I watched a show a long time ago with a black main character and my first thought was "cool, getting introduced with a side character first, i wonder who the main character is?" until i came to realize he was the main character. I felt so ashamed.
@NotAnotherKuromi
@NotAnotherKuromi 2 жыл бұрын
While I don't know about your prejudice, how many films have you seen with a white lead vs black lead? Your assumption many have also been heavily influnece by statistics & previouse experiences as well as prejudice.
@Tania-rg7jp
@Tania-rg7jp Жыл бұрын
@@NotAnotherKuromi regardless imagine how this plays out in real life. Oh that’s cute, they let the black assistant lead the meeting. Oh shit, he’s the executive over my job and my bosses job.
@squidwardtentacles7144
@squidwardtentacles7144 2 жыл бұрын
Bonnie Bennet from TVD is the embodiment of this trope. It makes me sick how they used one of their few characters of color as their magical slave. 😤
@birdiewolf3497
@birdiewolf3497 2 жыл бұрын
Just like they did her ancestors. But what can you expect from folks in that town. They are proud confederates. They celebrate it every chance they get.
@pearlngozi2818
@pearlngozi2818 2 жыл бұрын
@@birdiewolf3497 Julie Plec buried that piece of history. She hinted at it, but she characterized the Confederates as good Founders.
@Mac6274
@Mac6274 2 жыл бұрын
Key & Peele's sketch on this is hilariously on point
@PeachShortcake_
@PeachShortcake_ 2 жыл бұрын
What is it called?
@AirQuotes
@AirQuotes 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like there is a K&P sketch for almost every situation
@redrumnoir7552
@redrumnoir7552 2 жыл бұрын
Key and Peele literally never missed, I miss their humorous commentary skits like that!!
@queens2nd2none
@queens2nd2none 2 жыл бұрын
Link please! Or title
@redrumnoir7552
@redrumnoir7552 2 жыл бұрын
The sketch is called Magical Negro Fight, I linked it but my comment disappeared for anyone who wants to watch it
@zkme2734
@zkme2734 2 жыл бұрын
While I see the good intention, a thing thats been bothering me on this channel is that they "analyze" so many tv shows and movies at the same time that they will sometimes confuse or misread a desconstruction, aversion or parody of a trope. I'd rather read the comment section tbh.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
That's why I prefer a minority take on it because while these shows & movies struggle with other racial tropes, some of these are also a stretch. Green book can fit the trope as Dr.Shirely guides Tony throughout the movie. Because we're used to these tropes as viewers, it can seem impossible. They explain surface level why some of these would fit, such as Morgan Freeman in Batman.
@nawarb.4226
@nawarb.4226 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Pocahontas counts as a Magical Minority. She's the hero of the movie, not John Smith, and I'd argue that she's a much more fleshed out character than him. She doesn't just exist to help or guide him
@PhoenixRising87
@PhoenixRising87 2 жыл бұрын
That movie's existence is a Baskin-Robbins of racism in and of itself.
@penguin902
@penguin902 2 жыл бұрын
Whether it fits the exact "magical minority" or not it still did its job and made a whole generation of girls of color grow up to lust after white men. Now it's normal and it every commerial. White man w/Wife of color.
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@penguin902 You don't think they would have fancied white men without any help from a Disney cartoon? There were no mixed race relationships until Pocahontas came out? Or is there a mad rush as a result of it?
@kyleellis9177
@kyleellis9177 2 жыл бұрын
@@penguin902 It also did it's job and showed me what white people did 4 or 5 years before I learned it in grade 4. It also lied and ignored the whole kidnapped/raped marriage thing that should have been movie two. I see this as calling Genie a magical Minority It's definitly a movie that is full of racial issues, but Disney has movies that fit the trope better. Princess and the Frog, Atlantis, Peter Pan are all better for the example I feel. Road to Eldorado I think is the best cartoon example though
@PatoNani18
@PatoNani18 2 жыл бұрын
@@penguin902 You act like Pocahontas single-handedly created the idea of interracial relationships. In fact interracial dynamics was aggressively banned for decades in movies because they acted like it's disgusting and unnatural especially in a white person POV. Pocahontas did something as many movies before did: showing a romantic love story (although the whole story was so much more than just about love) that broke typical boundaries. Some people might be confused because Pocahontas is one of the few movies where a woman of color had the courage to express and follow her romantic desire to someone out of her culture. If interracial romantic happened in movies it was mostly the white man acted brave, confident and made the first step and encouraged the woman of color to stand for her feelings.
@jacksp8de
@jacksp8de 2 жыл бұрын
Even if the black character is a just a friend and not magical, a lot of times they still don’t flesh out their stories or show that they have any other black friends or relatives. It’s always just some black person there for “diversity” and often time they make that character gay to check off two diversity boxes. Sick of that shit
@spectre9340
@spectre9340 2 жыл бұрын
I see that a lot in children's movies (Disney channel original movies, for example) It's usually a white lead and a black best friend but the best friend is just there to cheer on the lead character and then disappear for most of the movie
@TheLeah2344
@TheLeah2344 2 жыл бұрын
I’m tired of it too. Either write a fully fleshed out black characters or don’t write them at all. I hate when they add in a black person simply for diversity.
@wrestlinganime4life288
@wrestlinganime4life288 2 жыл бұрын
Support Black Sand entertainment, Youneek studios, and Konkret comics, as well as Saturday Am. They're basically black owned comics that tells good stories first. Also check Kiro'o games, black owned video games studios. We need to support good black content
@jacksp8de
@jacksp8de 2 жыл бұрын
@@spectre9340 exactly!
@jacksp8de
@jacksp8de 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLeah2344 It’s insulting in a way. Especially when they go the lighter than a paper bag route.
@KittiyKyat
@KittiyKyat 2 жыл бұрын
Sam in Holes definitely meets a lot of the criteria, but I do think it's worth it to mention he and Kate were in love. He wasn't just doing favors for no reason.
@marygracebuckley9367
@marygracebuckley9367 2 жыл бұрын
The Karate Kid does have this trope in full effect, except in one scene in the middle of the movie. Daniel finds Mr. Miyagi drunk, in his old army uniform and clutching a letter. The letter informed him that his wife and child died (possibly in an internment camp?) while he was away fighting (during WWII, I think). He’s gotten drunk because it’s the anniversary of their deaths. Daniel reads the letter aloud while Mr. Miyagi continues to get drunk. It’s a really good scene, but the narrative doesn’t delve into that part of Mr. Miyagi’s past further. The movie could have examined why he chose to help Daniel (may because he still misses the family he lost and he wishes he had a son to teach martial arts to), but the narrative keeps focusing on Daniel instead.
@dddddddddddddddd6368
@dddddddddddddddd6368 2 жыл бұрын
That reminds me of that episode of Community where they were doing a Karate Kid play and the directkor blasted of with this memorable rant: "The Karate Kid is about Keisuke Miyagi: an immigrant who fought against his own people in World War II, while his wife lost a child in an internment camp! Noriyuki Morita was nominated for an Academy Award for his performance! Ralph Macchio? Showed up."
@hiimellen-jks6075
@hiimellen-jks6075 2 жыл бұрын
That gets a short nod in the KK3, Terry Silver picks up his medal. Even though they both fought for the same country, Silver is still racist or Kreese is, (can't quite remember).
@benedictifye
@benedictifye 2 жыл бұрын
That movie would have been much better. Instead it’s just a sports movie.
@wvu05
@wvu05 2 жыл бұрын
@@dddddddddddddddd6368 Indeed. The movie is far better when it emphasizes Miyagi.
@osvie0167
@osvie0167 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that they had to fight to keep that scene in the film because executives wanted it cut out so as to not remind viewers that the US government put Japanese Americans in internment camps during WW2. Luckily they saved the scene from being cut and Pat Morita credited that scene as the one that got him his Oscar nomination.
@rahbeeuh
@rahbeeuh 2 жыл бұрын
No Bonnie Bennett from The Vampire Diaries? She's a PRIME example of the magical minority trope. JP can step on Legos for what she's done and still does to Bonnie's character.
@sparklefairy34
@sparklefairy34 2 жыл бұрын
I was SO PISSED about her ending!!! Kat Graham should play another witch in a different show but this time, she’s the MAIN CHARACTER and she’s with other black womxn in the show. Cis-het or WLW alike, black womxn NEED more scene time!!! As long as they don’t help white folx survive or improve themselves and they’re not just the main white character’s best friend.
@rahbeeuh
@rahbeeuh 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparklefairy34 exactly! I was initially confused. I thought they'd kill her off but I was glad they didn't. But when I saw the brochure for Africa I was pissed!!! I'd been pissed with most storylines they gave Bonnie and what's worse is they occasionally name drop her on Legacies yet leave her out of the musical episode. It's weird. JP can step on a Lego every single day for that. I really wish the best for Kat Graham though. She seems happy from her posts but I know socials aren't always accurate to the truth. I concur that Black Womxn desert more screentime. Not as someone's side character/sidekick, "help", slave or any other character portrayed with negative connotations. We're deserving of so much better!!! That's on PERIODT!!!
@pearlngozi2818
@pearlngozi2818 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahbeeuh We need our own stories where were we are the focus.
@rahbeeuh
@rahbeeuh 2 жыл бұрын
@@pearlngozi2818 agreed!
@robchuk4136
@robchuk4136 2 жыл бұрын
lol good pick!
@rocketpoweredunicorn
@rocketpoweredunicorn 2 жыл бұрын
I keep seeing Lucius Fox, Morgan Freeman’s character from Batman- does he really fit the mold of a magical minority? While he is a side character in a story with a white protagonist, he’s also a professional with a very long career, and the head of a division in Wayne Enterprises, a talented scientist, and his purpose in the story isn’t to ‘save’ Bruce or give him moral support- they work together.
@LauraEDavis
@LauraEDavis 2 жыл бұрын
i think it's more about him having his own arc where he is the protagonist, where he faces his own challenge and grows or learns something or even is defeated bc he can't grow. anything that doesn't tie his story up with another character. it's about agency and focus. i have never seen this movie so i don't know the character's story, just giving you my take ☺️
@Spongebrain97
@Spongebrain97 2 жыл бұрын
@@LauraEDavis well the character of Batman is already shown to be smart when it comes to high tech stuff. He doesn't learn it from Lucius Fox. Lucius serves as the guy who runs Batman's company and will occasionally send Batman new gadgets. Fox has a son in the comics and at some point even becomes a superhero named Batwing. In the movies Fox helps Batman when it came to tracking down the Joker
@Kiennguyen22360
@Kiennguyen22360 2 жыл бұрын
Guess what, alfreds white, maybe he should’ve been black to fit this narrative better. Oh wait, switch the roles and then we have the black servant. This is a weak take
@rhyswallace3590
@rhyswallace3590 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!!!
@geniosityfilms
@geniosityfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Lucius Fox doesn't count, he has his own conflicts with Robert Earle in Batman Begins and even ethical conflicts with Bruce Wayne himself in the Dark Knight. He also has a rich past with Thomas Wayne and was the engineer who designed the train system in Gotham City, which plays a huge role in the climax. Plus, he has a clear arc of someone being suppressed for challenging the status quo within Wayne Enterprises and by the end he becomes the CEO. "Didn't you get the memo?"
@JurassicLion2049
@JurassicLion2049 2 жыл бұрын
I think The Take needed to fully rewatch the film to understand that while pop culture thinks of Miyagi as a stereotype that The Karate Kid film itself is actually a huge subversion. Ive known and been impressed by the film all of my life because while Miyagi is shown to be a badass and wise old master martial artist the movie goes out of its way to demystify Miyagi. At first the film makes it seem like Daniel is Luke Skywalker and Miyagi is Yoda here to give Daniel lost ancient teachings. But then the film carries on and you find Miyagi drunk in his old war uniform, the newspaper and letter that says his wife and child died in an Internment camp, and then you realize: Miyagi is just a man. A wise man, a good fighter, but in reality quiet not because hes this mystical being but because he has a lot of pain. Hes lived a life, hes been to war, he fought for a country that was brutally and still is racist to his people. He had a wife and lost her and their unborn child because of said racism. And thats when you as a viewer - especially as you get older - realize that Miyagi wasnt just teaching Daniel how to fight just because. Miyagi wanted to pass down all that he knew and learned over his life as a father would to their children. Its not like Daniel necessarily needed a father but in the film you clearly see that Daniel before Miyagi is a young man whose struggling. So Miyagi takes him on as a student. But in addition to fighting what does Miyagi do? He teaches him to paint a fence, he teaches him how to clip a bonsai, he teaches him how to wax a car, how to drive a car, and Im certain if the film was longer we’dve seen Miyagi teach Daniel how to shave a beard. True much of this applies to karate but this is also just the basic things of life youd teach your kid, skills you as a parent would acquire over your own life, and help pass on. The film doesnt spell it out blatantly but the subtext and message is there. While the film is called The Karate Kid the movie is really about Mr. Miyagi. As much as its about a kid who cant fit in standing up to his bullies it is equally about a kind old man who finds a way to pass on everything he knows. Its about a found father son relationship. By trivializing Mr. Miyagi like this The Take does a huge disservice and is honestly being pretty racist by calling Miyagi just a magical foreigner.
@VengefulPurity
@VengefulPurity 2 жыл бұрын
Ty! Agreed! :)
@akym82810
@akym82810 2 жыл бұрын
I think The Take need to rewatch half of the movies they mentioned (or even, dare I say it, watch it for the first time) because a lot of this comes off like they just read the TV Tropes page on the subject and don't know what the word deconstruction means in literary terms.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
The trope was subverted in the second film. It can be applied to the first the first film, but canonically subverted in any other film that relates back to the first one.
@o.m9514
@o.m9514 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for that, I’ve forgotten! I remember now. The One with Jaden smith was even more sad!!!
@GrainneMhaol
@GrainneMhaol 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call Mr. Miyagi a magical minority. He's has his own story, and he's the sage elder there to usher the hero on his journey. While this can intersect with the magical minority trope, in itself, his character isn't pernicious.
@Hulavuta
@Hulavuta 2 жыл бұрын
Right, plus the second movie is all about Miyagi, with Daniel as the guy just along for the ride.
@LiaAlfonso
@LiaAlfonso 2 жыл бұрын
The second movie is also about Daniel. He is the reason Miyagi's issue with Sato was resolved. It's more like they used Okinawan culture as backdrop and that toy drum ritual as a "magical" element.
@fijardim7
@fijardim7 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hulavuta yeah, I saw like that too
@daftbanna7202
@daftbanna7202 2 жыл бұрын
It's probably more of the wise teacher trope like obi wan. But maybe the problem comes with his spiritual like presence Idk
@anonymous-zs9rn
@anonymous-zs9rn 2 жыл бұрын
Right? Like, I'm not Asian, but when I saw the movie he seemed like a pretty amazing character with a history and a character of his own. He felt such a realistic, grandfather-like figure for the mc, I never thought of him as a stereotype, he was just so awesome as a character.
@kscott6378
@kscott6378 2 жыл бұрын
It's almost a joke at this point of how many times that shows and movies has this magical minority trope and the worst part is they don't even try to hide it. I mean as soon as the character opens their mouths you know what their purpose is.
@dimplesd8931
@dimplesd8931 2 жыл бұрын
Will Smith’s “po black man” accent is like nails on a chalk board. 🤦🏾‍♀️
@witchplease9695
@witchplease9695 2 жыл бұрын
I hate when he does accents lol, they need to just let him sound like himself
@UnboxingAlyss
@UnboxingAlyss 2 жыл бұрын
It's annoying how this trope is still seen so prevalently. One of the most recent egregious examples was in the movie "Annabel". The black female character was literally just there to die for the white family. It absolutely made me sick. Kid shows aren't safe from this, either. As much as I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I HATED the way the treated the ONE zebra character, Zecora. She was introduce in an episode about racism (not well-done) and from there on in, was just there to help the ponies with their problems. She lived far away from the ponies, in a wild forest, was the only character to speak in rhyme, and never got any kind of backstory (though she clearly had African influences). Sooooooo many other species were introduced in the show (griffons, changelings, hippogriffs, yacks, dragons), but we learned nothing about zebras. There were a number on problematic things in that show, but their treatment of Zecora was one of the biggest, most egregious examples.
@witchplease9695
@witchplease9695 2 жыл бұрын
@Finn MacCool What’s ironic is you’re the only one offended by others pointing out a trope, which is the purpose of this channel. and people like you who complain about “SJW” (since when is social justice a bad thing?) are the same people that rage when “white” shows like The Witcher have Black characters, or when a Black actress is cast to play a mermaid because she was the best for the role. The hypocrisy is rich
@twindrill2852
@twindrill2852 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the Saddle Arabians. They were somewhat important for one episode, but they never showed up again.
@UnboxingAlyss
@UnboxingAlyss 2 жыл бұрын
@@twindrill2852 They were just dignitaries. They weren't much different from the Duke and Duchess of Maretonia
@twindrill2852
@twindrill2852 2 жыл бұрын
@@UnboxingAlyss I guess so, but a little bit more showcasing of their species would've been interesting to see.
@UnboxingAlyss
@UnboxingAlyss 2 жыл бұрын
@@twindrill2852 I'm sure they are the same species, but I would have loved to see their culture.
@wanderingthoughts217
@wanderingthoughts217 2 жыл бұрын
We can also interpret the 'gay best friend' in most stories as a special extension of this, where they are just tools to help or make the main character better (I would say the core of this 'magical minority trope'). Except I can't say they have an element of magic attached to them. ~my take
@passiveagressive4983
@passiveagressive4983 2 жыл бұрын
They’ did GBF a few months ago
@wanderingthoughts217
@wanderingthoughts217 2 жыл бұрын
@@passiveagressive4983 yeah I remember. I am just saying I believe GBF can be a newer extension of this trope
@mervyngreene6687
@mervyngreene6687 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I believe that you are right. In all these cases, there is only one major of the group. I think that these tropes were intended to combat the past use of non straight white men. Back in those days, either that one character was the servant and/or comic relief. The only way this will change is when there are more of these people are cast. A few decades ago, a group espousing "nontraditional casting." We are slowly seeing this.
@brianarbenz7206
@brianarbenz7206 2 жыл бұрын
"Overcoming the magical minority stereotype means recognizing the full spectrum of a character of color's emotional needs and personal experiences. And allowing them to put themselves first in their own stories." Perfectly stated.
@ericsaiki5364
@ericsaiki5364 2 жыл бұрын
No The Take Forrest didn’t just take Bubba’s knowledge of shrimping and got out of dodge he actually payed his dues to bubba’s mama. He actually gave her a chunk of the profits
@mbogucki1
@mbogucki1 2 жыл бұрын
Even naming it Bubba Gump to honor his friend. Bubba was also a full character with his own motivations and backstory. I always thought he was equal to Forest.
@maratamara5591
@maratamara5591 2 жыл бұрын
Same...forest actually genuinely cared for bubba and his family
@WhirlwindandHeatburst
@WhirlwindandHeatburst 2 жыл бұрын
If Bubba was white, no one would care. How are we supposed to be equal if we keep having these double standards?
@mbogucki1
@mbogucki1 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhirlwindandHeatburst Well lets be fair, the "Magic Negro" trope is a real thing. However I contest it applies to Bubba or even Lucius Fox. I feel Bubba was a fully formed character with his own motivations, which was to open a shrimping business. Forest deciding to start one up himself was to honour his friendship with Bubba and the invitation from Bubba to be his partner.
@WhirlwindandHeatburst
@WhirlwindandHeatburst 2 жыл бұрын
@@mbogucki1 I agree, it DOES exist. However, some of these examples (like you stated) are completely misleading. Once again, if Lucius Fox was white, NO ONE would care. Bruce NEEDS to have someone in charge of his company, if he’s going to do what he does, and the guy just so HAPPENS to be black. If someone like Alfred was black, people would have a problem. But guess what? Black butlers can exist! And they can also be CEOs as well. The MM trope is a problem, but The Take needs to do a better job examining examples.
@reed510
@reed510 2 жыл бұрын
I need a white guy to help me on my journey 😔
@spectre9340
@spectre9340 2 жыл бұрын
Dated white guys before. They've definitely been the catalyst for my character development, alright 🥴
@accidentsafe
@accidentsafe 2 жыл бұрын
I got one and it’s been a good experience. Now I garden and watch KZfaq all day 😜
@MadameTamma
@MadameTamma 2 жыл бұрын
I love the movie Ghost as it is, but I would watch four seasons and two tv movies about Oda Mae Brown's adventures of realizing her own supernatural powers and all the crazy scenarios she gets dragged into by ghosts and the grieving people. and if you say you wouldn't, I don't trust your tastes in the slightest.
@starpasta
@starpasta 2 жыл бұрын
Omg, I would watch the fuck out of that! They made Ghost Whisperer with Jennifer Love Hewitt, why not this? This sounds way better, to be honest.
@GuessJess
@GuessJess 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant idea!! I’m upset that no one ever made that show happen!!
@trinaq
@trinaq 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, they missed an opportunity to make a whole prequel spin off about Oda Mae initially faking her psychic abilities, or about other members of her family who shared her gift. Whoopi Goldberg is a goddess! 💜😇
@hughmcmahon4925
@hughmcmahon4925 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is, when you define this trope as broadly as you do, any racial minority who is a supporting character is classified as a "magical minority", even though their characterization is indistinguishable from white supporting characters. This is a problem with a lot of "trope analysis". It's assumed that minority characters have been written differently, rather than that being proved.
@beleden1215
@beleden1215 2 жыл бұрын
It feels like they are complaining about non-white characters being side characters. Not every main character should be white, but when they are, how do you still be inclusive? Then when they are inclusive, it is never enough.
@toomuchinformation
@toomuchinformation 2 жыл бұрын
It's about a very particular kind of supporting character.
@skullsaintdead
@skullsaintdead 2 жыл бұрын
Partially agree, like The Shining, it's part magical minority but when I saw Dick, I immediately realised the Shining wasn't just for one boy (Danny) or even for Danny plus his family (I thought maybe his mum had it too but it was suppressed, or maybe his cousins who were kids would also have it, but they hadn't been introduced yet). As soon as I saw Dick and his age, colour and accent, I knew this was something some people just 'get', regardless of their bloodline or even the area they come from. It reinforced how unique the Shining was.
@Southforthewinter
@Southforthewinter 2 жыл бұрын
@@beleden1215 rush hour did it right, I see a lot of people in the comments trying to justify or reason that “this trope isn’t as prominent as their making it seem” but I’ve yet to see anyone give any examples of a minority being a legit character. The irony of rush hour being a good example is that their both minorities….nonwhite lead? Guess we have to flesh them both out. Bruh white people….the shit they did just to be comfortable in this world. Speechless
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@toomuchinformation If only that were the case. However, including Lucius Fox in the lineup of magical minorities makes a mockery of their argument.
@pikachuuprising637
@pikachuuprising637 2 жыл бұрын
Not saying the trope isn't real, but some of the examples are secondary characters. While we have to rethink this trope, we can't say that anytime a minority is not the main character in a movie they are playing this trope.
@Acidfunkish
@Acidfunkish 2 жыл бұрын
Even Guinan from Star Trek could fit into this trope, from the examples used in this video. She was the only survivor of a superior humanoid species with spectacular powers, and she used them to help both the Enterprise and its passengers. Though, while she did work in a "service industry," she was never treated as second class. By anyone. Even Q was kind of afraid of her. I don't think all of the examples used necessarily fit, personally. Sometimes, a gifted / skilled / wise / powerful PoC is just that. And hopefully we'll see more of that, as media becomes more inclusive.
@pikachuuprising637
@pikachuuprising637 2 жыл бұрын
@@Acidfunkish exactly, we have to be careful and not label every competent side character who happens to be a minority a "Trope"
@OmfgHiii
@OmfgHiii 2 жыл бұрын
they can be secondary characters, it's their contribution that's being questioned.. it just points out how exotic poc are taken as
@shandorno6305
@shandorno6305 2 жыл бұрын
@@OmfgHiii Yes, and some of the examples clearly don't fit. Like, you can't just say that they're Just Asking Questions and expect people to take it seriously. For example, how the hell was Morgan Freeman's character in The Dark Knight series "exotic?"
@yves2016
@yves2016 2 жыл бұрын
I would agree but she gives examples when it's not the case such as the good place. She's saying we need to make sure that we give them nuance too. There are times when a character has to be a helper and not much else and I don't want poc actors to miss out on those roles because casting directors want to avoid this trope so I think it's about making sure that there is a diversity of roles available to pocs.
@geniosityfilms
@geniosityfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Lucius Fox doesn't count, he has his own conflicts with Robert Earle in Batman Begins and even ethical conflicts with Bruce Wayne himself in the Dark Knight. He also has a rich past with Thomas Wayne and was the engineer who designed the train system in Gotham City, which plays a huge role in the climax. Plus, he has a clear arc of someone being suppressed for challenging the status quo within Wayne Enterprises and by the end he becomes the CEO. "Didn't you get the memo?"
@thepermman
@thepermman 2 жыл бұрын
There is little difference between Q from the James Bond movies and Lucius Fox. But when you look at everything through a warped lens of color you see things that aren't actually there. According to the writers of this show if they cast Q as a black person then it would be problematic because a person of color is a supporting character to a white protagonist. James Bond enters a secret underground layer. He meets Q. Q shows him an array of new gadgets. But Q is an indigenous English person and not an African American.
@rek9906
@rek9906 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepermman > -The ”damsel in distress” trope is sexist. - yeah, but imagine if it was a ”man in distress” it wouldn’t be sexist, so your wrong. -.....
@thepermman
@thepermman 2 жыл бұрын
@@rek9906 I didn't say anything about a "damsel in distress" trope. Lucius Fox is not a part of the magical minority trope. He doesn't have magical powers. He's more of one of Bruce Wayne's father figures because his parents are dead. That has nothing to do with his color. Lucius Fox offers nothing more than elder wisdom and gadgetry like Q. James Bond's Q exists. If Q was black he wouldn't suddenly become a magical minority. His part is written on the page regardless of his skin color. Bruce has to go to Alfred, Lucius Fox, Jim Gordan and Ras' Al Ghul for a father figure because Thomas Wayne is chewing on dirt and worms. Nick Fury doesn't suddenly become a magical minority when Peter Parker needs help. If you replaced the actors who played those four father figures with one of the other the story wouldn't skip a beat. Morgan Freeman could play Alfred, Michael Caine could play Lucius, Liam Neeson could play James Gordan, and Gary Oldman could play Ras' Al Ghul and they would all fit in nicely. You could flip those gears around in any way and they would still work. For that same reason that's why Jeffrey Wright is going to be a great James Gordon. In the Burton batfilms there was no Lucius Fox, so Alfred just filled in. Somehow he had time to be Bruce's butler and his suit creator, and car mechanic. There are magical minority characters in other movies, but Lucius Fox is not the same thing. To try to fit him in with that is absurd. You could probably do a damsel in distress trope with some femme dudes though.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 жыл бұрын
@@thepermman Yeah, and if Morpheus counts, so do Obi Wan and Dumbledore. But they're white.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
@@oliverford5367 They're white in the sense of their actors, and let's not parent that J.k Rowling would make a minority the main character. Her racial stereotypes are present in the movies and books. And that's the entire point of Magical Negro or Magical Black Man or Magical Person of Color. Respectfully, and disrespectfully, the trope serves it’s point for the main character (usually a Black man) to give guidance, while the white man or white woman does not have to return the service. So, yes Morgan Freeman’s character is smart in his own way, but he still provides that “all-knowing” knowledge to Bruce Wayne. The same way that the three Black women in Akleelah & the Bees guide the little white girl mystically about the gift of bees. And to believe in the bees. Green book served this purpose too as the talented and gifted musicians (physically & literally) acts as a racial guide to a white’s lenses. Because I can see these tropes from a mile away, pay attention to the musical cues during these POC scenes. Does it sound mystical? A little too bright compared to the white counterpart’s scene? It doesn’t mean the character is bad, but it does mean they’re based on a racial trope. One that’s still present in 2022 movies. You will immediately notice the difference in movies created by Black people, specifically more serious ones like Get Out where the trope is subverted.
@denicarson9082
@denicarson9082 2 жыл бұрын
While some of these examples are spot on, I don't agree that the magical minority applies to all the movies featured. I think they are reaching.
@rocketpoweredunicorn
@rocketpoweredunicorn 2 жыл бұрын
I agree it’s dangerous to extend the definition of this trope too far. You will end up undermining the validity of some really great characters, because of their race!
@RisingUnderdog
@RisingUnderdog 2 жыл бұрын
This is the same channel that thought Zeb sharing his passion of jazz to Mia on a date in La La Land was "man-splaining" 🤣
@tpfang56
@tpfang56 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, not all of these are “magical minority”. Some are a more straightforward sidelining of PoC characters eg. black best friend. And then using Holes as an example for a magical minority was the most egregiously poor analysis I’ve seen yet. Usually The Take are much better at analyzing films so idk how they missed the themes of Holes (especially the MAJOR one revolving around racism) that badly.
@pearlngozi2818
@pearlngozi2818 2 жыл бұрын
It does apply. You can't see it because you're blind.
@denicarson9082
@denicarson9082 2 жыл бұрын
@@pearlngozi2818 or maybe you just lack critical thinking.
@harryhan7276
@harryhan7276 2 жыл бұрын
This is a good subject but bad analysis. Secondary character no matter the race don't get back story or character progression, it's not always because of this trope.
@arianewinter4266
@arianewinter4266 Жыл бұрын
and they forclable all and everything porblematic until you can not have any interaction with poc at all anymore
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
@@arianewinter4266 I’m sorry?
@cincinnatikidstuff
@cincinnatikidstuff 2 жыл бұрын
The first time i became aware of "The Magical Minority" was Tom Cruise's "The Last Samurai". After it was over, I thought, a white American had to help the Japanese fight their own battles? What a bunch of bullshit.
@pax6833
@pax6833 Жыл бұрын
What? Tom Cruise's character is mostly a spectator. In fact his larger purpose in the film is to act as an audience surrogate to learn about Japanese culture and the perspective of people who want to prevent their culture from being discarded in the utilitarian desire to 'westernize' for power. He then acts as a messenger between the two most important Japanese characters. I would say Last Samurai is a clear refutation of this trope. Cruise himself is the minority and the film spends a huge amount of time on its asian cast (albeit from Cruise's POV).
@thomasrisden1354
@thomasrisden1354 5 ай бұрын
This guy probably thinks Tom cruise IS the last samurai and not that samurai is plural referring to the samurai themselves…
@TheDoctorinspector
@TheDoctorinspector 2 жыл бұрын
Someone obviously didn't understand "Holes" whatsoever....smfh
@jordanloux3883
@jordanloux3883 2 жыл бұрын
The comic 'Southern Bastards' does a great job subverting this trope. There is a blind black man who helps teach an abused kid in a small town about football to help him make a name for himself, and all it does is turn this kid into a power-hungry psychopath who becomes the villain of the story. He eventually kills himself out of shame of the destruction he indirectly caused all because he helped the wrong kid.
@FortheLoveofMonsters
@FortheLoveofMonsters 2 жыл бұрын
this doesn’t subvert anything… the story is still centered on the white kid… that is literally what this video is about
@darlalathan6143
@darlalathan6143 2 жыл бұрын
@@FortheLoveofMonsters Yeah subverted trope is when you don't do the cliche, after setting it up. "Southern Bastards" plot sounds more like a Deconstruction story, in which the Magical Minority advises a white protagonist to help them improve themself, only to cause Better Living Through Evil and a Face/Heel Turn.
@tammyariel2982
@tammyariel2982 2 жыл бұрын
@@darlalathan6143 so they turned a white guy into a monster, which isn't any better and almost worst than being the sidekick
@jordanloux3883
@jordanloux3883 2 жыл бұрын
@@tammyariel2982 Yeah, it is worse, and that's the point.
@dominiquewindom5820
@dominiquewindom5820 2 жыл бұрын
So let me get this right, the Caucasians can not do anything for themselves, but the minorities somehow have all the answers and somehow end up looking inept 🤔.
@thirstyforlaundrydetergent9664
@thirstyforlaundrydetergent9664 2 жыл бұрын
So many tropes created to sooth white guilt. It's really interesting. I'd like to see some deconstruction of these tropes in the future
@mrIlovethe90s1
@mrIlovethe90s1 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is full of gems like this one.
@thirstyforlaundrydetergent9664
@thirstyforlaundrydetergent9664 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrIlovethe90s1 true. White savior video was pretty great too. Media influences us and some tropes are very dangerous.
@gaf407
@gaf407 2 жыл бұрын
Billy Porter in the upcoming Cinderella movie kills two birds with one stone!
@Girija100
@Girija100 2 жыл бұрын
They did Bonnie from the vampire diaries so bad with this trope..
@spectre9340
@spectre9340 2 жыл бұрын
They did her so dirty and I can't believe there was actual racism coming from the writers 😫 She should've been the main protagonist imo
@squidwardtentacles7144
@squidwardtentacles7144 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking for this comment😂
@ErutaniaRose
@ErutaniaRose 2 жыл бұрын
As a writer, I love watching videos like this for two reasons. 1. So I don't fall into traps because of ignorance or subconscious brainwashing and 2. So I can create new groundbreaking stories and characters.
@arianewinter4266
@arianewinter4266 Жыл бұрын
this is not a good one though, it plainly says every typ of interaction showen between poc and white people is racist no matter what
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
Man that's a lot of racial tropes that you'll be combating. It is very hard to overcome our own bias as it's subconscious.
@alix007900
@alix007900 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with everything else, but you got damn wrong about holes.
@arianewinter4266
@arianewinter4266 Жыл бұрын
and several others . . . good subject, good idea, terrible execution that just labels all and every interaction ever as racist
@shandorno6305
@shandorno6305 2 жыл бұрын
Okay, I'm sorry, but how is Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman's character in The Dark Knight series) this trope? Unless we're to assert that every non white person who doesn't play the lead is. I feel that there has to be more to it than "non white supporting character." And by "supporting character," I mean in the sense of "not the lead," rather than "provides support." You know, although this channel has good commentary on legitimate issues, it also seem to too often cast too wide a net on the examples used.
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. When they showed lucius fox i was very confused. Especially at the part where they say that the magical minority comes from white writers trying to downplay racism. Not every non white supporting character has political motivation for existing!!! What if they didn't have time? What if those scenes fleshing them out were cut? I'm watching the video now and it feels like the person who wrote the video assumes too much.
@jesoko6724
@jesoko6724 2 жыл бұрын
I felt the same way. The longer the video went on, I kept thinking “so you’re just mad at side characters being POC and not the main?” I’m not trying to downplay that issue (it’s a huge issue); it’s just not what this video said it was going to be about. I also found it a little strange one of their main complaints was that some of these side characters don’t have development or backstories. I mean, they’re side characters for a reason. The whole point of a side character is to enrich the story of the main. They don’t often get or need a backstory. And in a 90 minute to 2 hour movie, there just isn’t time for it. There were so many examples in here like Lucius who they vilified for being too professional or too nice because it somehow made them lesser? Why was Morpheus there? He’s not a nobody offering to help for no reason, he’s a captain in a resistance army who was sent to find and train Neo (who is unfortunately white) not for the betterment of Neo but because it could potentially save their entire race. A better example is actually the Oracle, but given how they also shoehorned Holes in here, I’m not surprised they glossed over the actual magical POC and instead focused on the flawed teacher figure. So again, I felt like they labeled this video as being about the magical POC, but all their arguments are about POC not being the main character. Again, a legitimate complaint but it muddles the message that they said they were trying to convey.
@robchuk4136
@robchuk4136 2 жыл бұрын
I was taken aback by that too, but based on The Take's arguments, I can kinda see it? Don't forget that the movies tweaked Lucius' role a little from the comics, where he sort of just ran Wayne Enterprises on Bruce's behalf. Now in the films they expanded it to him basically being the Q to Christian Bale's James Bond. It makes Fox less of an independent manager and more of the "helper guy" for a rich kid who can't do anything himself. It's definitely a new way to look at that dynamic.
@jesoko6724
@jesoko6724 2 жыл бұрын
@@robchuk4136 I think my biggest problem with using examples like Lucius or Morpheus is that their race is not really central to their character, not really. Swap out afro Lucius with a white Lucius and, like you pointed out, you get carbon copy of Q for Batman. It doesn't really matter what race Lucius is, which is why it doesn't really fit this trope for me. The same with Morpheus. It doesn't really matter what race or color Morpheus is. It's not shown to be a huge part of his character. I'm speaking about the characters in the movies. I haven't read a Batman comic in years and I haven't looked at any of the expanded Matrix universe stuff, so I am not aware of any exploration done for those characters outside of the movies. The Take seems to be focusing on movie and TV characters and version of characters anyway. I think that people need to be more aware of the trope, but I also think these guys lost track of what they were actually trying to say. The whole video is very muddled and seems like they don't know what they are talking about and barely researched it.
@rek9906
@rek9906 2 жыл бұрын
@@jesoko6724 > -The ”damsel in distress” trope is sexist. - yeah, but imagine if it was a ”man in distress” it wouldn’t be sexist, so your wrong. -...
@laurensayer8962
@laurensayer8962 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed,for the most part. But in the case of Bubba and Forrest, Forrest did financially set up Bubba's family for life, in honor of Bubba being the one to inspire the business and give him his knowledge. And I don't feel like that was any kind of "white savior" move, coming from the character that is Forrest, who, as a character, would never see anyone as anything less than an equal, for any reason. One way this was established about him was the several examples, early in the film wherein he showed that he didn't quite grasp what racism even was, not having the mindset to judge anyone for superficial things (or at all, really). Forrest wouldn't help someone to make himself look good or to feel better about himself. He did the right things simply because they were the right things. So, while Bubba himself wasn't helped (having died), Forrest did do right by him by giving back to his family, in full, as if Bubba was his partner all along. He was treated as an equal even when not physically present. So I feel like the idea of "the magical minority gaining nothing by helping the white protagonist" doesn't *quite* apply to this example, at least not 100%. I would imagine that Bubba, in Heaven, got his dream too in the end, by being able to give his family a great life, with his business, a business which was always honored as part his, as if he was never gone.
@hiimellen-jks6075
@hiimellen-jks6075 2 жыл бұрын
You should watch the KZfaq channel, Cracked. It argues on how the movie makes Forest the non-racist exception character and how in a way, Forest acts as a white savior subconsciously. For example, during the scene of when white schools were forced to let in black students, Forest breaks through the line of protesters to pick up a book dropped by one of the black students and this causes a standstill moment. Like this scene makes you like Forest more because you believe he doesn't see race, (which is sorta true), but in reality he does not understand why people are racist and what causes it. Also, you know how its implied that Forest taught Elvis the pelvic thrust moves, Elvis got that from black people. The movie erases that
@laurensayer8962
@laurensayer8962 2 жыл бұрын
@@hiimellen-jks6075 Oh wow, I didn't know that about Elvis! Yes, I could see how the movie could have done better with regard to things like these. It's just that for me, as an audience member, from the time I saw it as a kid and to this day, all I saw was a character who treated everyone as equals and with respect, and seemingly did so because, well, "why wouldn't he?" and it was as simple as that to him, as it should be to us all. So I feel, in that way, that Forrest Gump is a good role model as a character, even if the film makers could have done better at telling the story respectfully.
@hiimellen-jks6075
@hiimellen-jks6075 2 жыл бұрын
@@laurensayer8962 oh yeah, totally agree about Forest being a good role model in that sense, I was just trying to point out how some could interpret the movie as being something that isn't so altruistic
@akym82810
@akym82810 2 жыл бұрын
How Forrest Gump dealt with race and, in essence, American history could be a whole video on its own really. Labelling Bubba as a magical minority is both flattening the character while actually missing the bigger picture of what Forrest Gump the movie (I mean, it is a book and a phenomenon, but lets stick with the movie) is doing. Bubba really doesn't fit the magical minority element in that he doesn't "save" Forrest, spiritually or otherwise. His philosophy boils down to starting a shrimping business and that's a far stretch to call it an ethos which inspired Forrest. Instead he was the first significant friend Forrest has since Jenny and he made a promise. But on the flipside, the film does stress a lot on using Forrest as the everyman and in a way, to expunge the guilt in American (mostly white) audiences' minds when looking back at the 20th century. Say a friendship like that between Forrest and Bubba, in the South, back then, how common would that be? Not saying that everyone was virulent racists back then but the problem with seeing through the eyes of the innocent is that a lot of things get cleaned up or even erased. It's a fine angle for a story, a lot of stories were told from the viewpoints of children, but there is almost an intense aversion to get into anything political in Forrest Gump (Forrest joins the march inadvertently, going to China only to play ping pong, blowing the whistle on Watergate - again inadvertently) and a heavy reliance on collective cultural nostalgia with little to no commentary which makes it feel... off.
@laurensayer8962
@laurensayer8962 2 жыл бұрын
@@akym82810 very well thought out points, and I agree with them. How would you suggest that such commentary be added to a story told from this point of view? It would be interesting to see a movie over the same time-frame from the point of view of another central character.
@Auron1Roxas2
@Auron1Roxas2 2 жыл бұрын
Lucious Fox isn’t really a magical minority, at least not his comic book self as he has his own backstory, motivation, and family. His kid is even Batman.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
Specifically referring to the movie and only the movie where he is presented as a magical minority
@Auron1Roxas2
@Auron1Roxas2 Жыл бұрын
@@alexwilliams2276 No just an employee of Bruce Wayne who works in a certain department.
@RM-gm3rw
@RM-gm3rw 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much but that was the most embarrassingly bad misread of Holes I could have imagined.
@arianewinter4266
@arianewinter4266 Жыл бұрын
I am so pissed about it
@crod9905
@crod9905 2 жыл бұрын
I love how Django Unchained flips this trope around. Just another reason why it's such a great film!
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 2 жыл бұрын
That makes it suddenly OK if it's a magical white character to a black hero? Surely if it's wrong for one it's wrong for all. In reality the Waltz character is just a mentor as are many of the examples they give.
@crod9905
@crod9905 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Sakidora_ Actually no, it wouldn't. You're right. But I would argue Waltz's character is given more agency and more of a character than many magical minorities are. He is more of a mentor like you said instead of just a plot device like magical minority characters.
@_Sakidora_
@_Sakidora_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@crod9905 I agree. The problem is some of the examples they give of a magical minority character, like Lucius Fox, have agency and a rounded character.
@dorcasmalahlela2805
@dorcasmalahlela2805 2 жыл бұрын
@@_Sakidora_ yes, I always had a sense that Fox was an entity on his own, that he was an engineer and creative, and Bruce was just a rich vigilante without good tools. Fox made decisions and explicitly influenced Bruce.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
@@dorcasmalahlela2805 That doesn’t make him less of a magical minority. If you ever seen The Secret Life of the Bees, the trope can be applied here too. I mean, are the characters independent on their own, yeah. But that doesn’t mean that subconsciously the writer didn’t indulge in a racial trope. Fox is as much as a tech genius that will drop a dime for Bruce as three Black women are with their knowledge of Bees. It acts a guidance that makes the white counterpart feel better. And it’s a modern take of the trope that makes it more subtle. Morgan & the other “independent woman” are not new to this trope either. They play it so well that we wouldn’t even think twice of them being in these roles. (Alica Fox may be exempt from this as her future roles don’t do it) I like it, but I always asked growing up, isn’t he tired of playing the role of guidance and almighty? Isn’t she tired of making the white savior look better? These Black characters or Black or POC characters advice come from thin air. And they’re the only ones to have this range of knowledge that just so happens to benefit the character. While Secret Life of Bees is more obvious, but disguised as a coming of ages trope, Batman Begins is surface level.
@edbangor9163
@edbangor9163 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Lucius Fox is an accurate example. In the Dark Knight films, he was the head of R&D at a major defense contractor. His knowledge isn't "magical" but the result of college education and years of working in the lab. What more do you need to demonstrate that the man earned his skills and expertise? Does every minority character need a college montage to establish they studied engineering or medicine or art? Can't presenting him as the head of a major arm of a major technology and engineering company count as enough credentials? Also, his loyalty to Bruce stems from his friendship with Thomas Wayne before his murder. Lucius knew Bruce as a boy who lost everything and has some of the same paternal feelings Alfred does. I feel like Lucius is a bit of a mentor who happens to be black. Applying the "magical negro" label to him reduces every non-white mentor figure to a joke.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah this can be taken too far, and mean we couldn't have a mentor character. Obi Wan and Dumbledore would not be magical minorities if they weren't white
@dantheman4838
@dantheman4838 2 жыл бұрын
The Eddie Murphy movie Holy Man is the ultimate magical minority movie. I mean, it's a good movie but it ticks literally every box.
@mewesquirrel6720
@mewesquirrel6720 2 жыл бұрын
No it's not you jerk
@basementmadetapes
@basementmadetapes 2 жыл бұрын
Essentialism is rampant in this breakdown. I dig The Take but sometimes it kicks out the flattest analysis. Not saying this isn't a trope or that even some of the selections depicted are off but some are way off
@akym82810
@akym82810 2 жыл бұрын
Well they do prize themselves probably on quantity more than quality, there's always a next one in like a few days that might come off less lazy.
@TwinAquarius484
@TwinAquarius484 2 жыл бұрын
Because we are magic. Awaken.
@lochofmceo
@lochofmceo 2 жыл бұрын
I am magic.I make blunts and relationships disappear.
@methomps01123
@methomps01123 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta say I don't think Mr. Miyagi belongs as an example on this list. Even by your own criteria, he has a detailed backstory and a character arc in the film and while he is most certainly a mentor his motives are not helping for no reason but because he is seeking family after losing his.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
They’re basing this off the first film and for some reason excluding the others as it subverts the trope. He is definitely a magical POC in the first one
@GuessJess
@GuessJess 2 жыл бұрын
I get that there are some obvious magical poc tropes in film and television that need to be called out for being racist, but the tone of this video implies that every secondary character that’s a poc that’s nice to a white protagonist inherently fits into that trope. I think that viewpoint is really dismissive of the need to promote positive representation onscreen of poc. It’s great that we have more writers and creators that are poc that can provide perspectives that white writers cannot, but if you tell white writers that everything they write about poc is racist in one form or another, you are pretty much guaranteeing that the movie production industry will become segregated between the various races instead of uniting them. Maybe that’s what you want, but I’d rather see the industry united than divided.
@BadgerCheese94
@BadgerCheese94 2 жыл бұрын
Asking for nuance from millennial liberals is asking for too much.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 2 жыл бұрын
I support diversity, but diversity and inclusion. Some people these days want diversity and segregation.
@tanubhardwaj2920
@tanubhardwaj2920 2 жыл бұрын
In the tv series The Good Wife, Kalinda is like a badass sherlock but only shown as the smallest part of the law suites! Though loved d scene where she asks for a raise... and gets it.
@alexacriscitiello196
@alexacriscitiello196 2 жыл бұрын
I think Forrest Gump's Bubba got a bit of a short shrift in this. Bubba does get some back story of his own via Forrest's narration. He is one of the most beloved and memorable characters, he is given an iconic sequence (shrimp list), his death is the most tragic scene in the film, Forrest honors his memory in the company name and goes back to Bayou La Batre to share the BubbaGump Shrimp profits with Bubba's mother. His character is the emblem for every bright, loved young man who died in a senseless war. Bubba is a huge, important part of this movie. Mykelti Williamson did a brilliant job.
@gt-gu7rb
@gt-gu7rb 2 жыл бұрын
I went into Green Book thinking, oh no here we go again, and I sat down to watch it with some reservation. However it impressed me ultimately as two equals dealing with each other on a more or less level playing field with different strengths and weaknesses. I felt they helped each other in the end. I personally wouldn't put this film in either category. I would like to add I've rarely if ever watched a movie where two characters arc and or back story was evenly balanced. It is a visual impossibility in a two hour film.
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
It’s a good film. I liked it as well, but I do see the points of where the magical minority trope fits. It’s the modern twist where hey this character got this special ability-Dr Shirley was music, and Morgan Freeman’s character in Batman was tech- where they willing aid in dismantling racism but not quite enough as you still gotta keep the white audience comfortable. So while Tony is a racist-or was it’s the Black character’s guidance throughout the film that make this trope suit him. And I see it, but it’s also how the two initially reacted to each other in real life.
@vazul666
@vazul666 2 жыл бұрын
I'm only around the 5 minutes mark so I can only hope there will be some praise about the trope too: "Remusz bacsi mesei" was very popular when I was a kid, first black person I ever saw, and a positive image at that. Made me ask a lot of questions from my parents, and it took a lot of dumb Hollywood movies to build some negative stereotypes. At least in places where you might not meet a black person for the first decade or two of your life, I feel like his show is a net positive influence.
@AI-dp3rd
@AI-dp3rd 2 жыл бұрын
I’m commenting just to agree with many other commenters: This analysis includes a blatant misinterpretation of “Holes.” I taught the book to fifth-grade students once upon a time, and … yeah, Sam’s character is in no way a magical minority. Like not even close. It’s relevant that he’s a minority, given how he died and the theme of poisonous/venomous racism, but he’s not an angelic or bizarrely magical figure - Kate just loves him. Louis Sachar is a better author than that, and there’s a reason it won the Newbery. This inclusion alone ruins the analysis for me. The video did make me wonder, though: Would Candyman be considered a magical minority? His backstory is similar to Sam’s, but he could certainly be interpreted as magical after his death … plus he also contributed to Helen’s character development in a major way. I’d listen to that argument for sure.
@idknemore525
@idknemore525 2 жыл бұрын
I get weirdly excited anytime someone acknowledges the existence of The Leftovers. I'm glad it was a better example.
@dcamaraman939
@dcamaraman939 2 жыл бұрын
I dont agree with Mr. Fox as the trope. If I saw an actor of my race play a character of FOX, I would be proud.
@rodrigoaranda7029
@rodrigoaranda7029 2 жыл бұрын
well i dont gett it as an latino having a magical black trope its nice because they only see us like an magical gardener, or an magical gang member, an magical mambo dancer, magical bad construction worker or magical hot maid, and the magical its optional.
@Gravity247
@Gravity247 2 жыл бұрын
Iron Man - War Machine Captain America - Falcon Thor - Valkyrie Captain Marvel - I don't even remember her name. Dr. Strange - That Asian guy. Spider man - That Asian guy. That's all I can remember off the top of my head.
@jordanloux3883
@jordanloux3883 2 жыл бұрын
That's more a 'every comic character is white and the only way to make new characters that will sell comics is to make race-bends because the fans won't show any interest otherwise.'
@spewter
@spewter 2 жыл бұрын
This is rare bad video from The Take. Lots of poor readings. I haven't seen all the things referenced, but many of those that I have seen just don't fit the trope. Eg. Lucius Fox in Batman, Bubba in Forrest Gump, Sam in Holes. I'll keep an open mind. Maybe I need to revisit those films but my initial reaction is this video is way off at times
@byMidnyt
@byMidnyt 2 жыл бұрын
Actually I find a number of their videos poorly researched. They often put in examples that are a stretch at fitting the narrative, and they also miss or leave out examples that do fit the tropes much better.
@goodspeed9914
@goodspeed9914 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I have to agree on this. I think they’ve gone way up their own a@@ with this one. This makes them come across more racist than anything, especially about Mr Fox. They’d rather he be played by an actor of another race in order to justify his technical ability.
@dtucker241
@dtucker241 2 жыл бұрын
@@byMidnyt Agreed. I think they are putting them out too fast. Their older videos were better researched. Like everyone else, I found Sam from Holes to be a stretch, but also Dr. Horatio in the Nevers. Dr. Horatio is actually more of the love interest to the main character.
@rochelle2758
@rochelle2758 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone else remember George, the dead Native American man who advised Dharma in Dharma and Greg? Weird that there was not a single Native American person on Earth who needed his help more...
@kwadwotuffour5529
@kwadwotuffour5529 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you discussed this in this video. The 'Huck Finn' movie version that I love is that with Elijah Wood. I've been having a hard time finding other people that like that one. Glad you brought attention to it, in this video. Also really glad you brought attention to "Green Mile" which became a top favorite of mine in summer 2020. And I've been enjoying others react to the movie.
@StuKnewWillSmithBeforeFame
@StuKnewWillSmithBeforeFame 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for your review. I saw the movie ‘The American Society Of Magical Negroes’. yesterday and as a person who graduated from the oldest African American University and have been in a long-term interracial relationship. It was better than I thought. everybody sees the world from their perspective and how it connects to them. I could relate to this movie.
@claudiabcarvalho
@claudiabcarvalho 2 жыл бұрын
Well, to be fair, Alfred is also there just to help Bruce, for what I can remember.
@MamadNobari
@MamadNobari 2 жыл бұрын
So when the side character is white and helping the main black character, it's White Savior and it's bad. And when the main character is white and the helping side character is black, it's Magical Minority and it's bad. So what you're saying is, just don't have black characters in your movie lol.
@chrissiem3958
@chrissiem3958 2 жыл бұрын
OHHHHH, I'VE BEEN WANTING TO SEE A TAKE VIDEO ON THIS SUBJECT!!!! Ugh..... you people know me so well!!!
@maksimnikiforovski2034
@maksimnikiforovski2034 2 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, and as a humanities major (philosophy) I always try to communicate these things to filmmakers. Unfortunately, many artists and filmmakers don't really care and are not fully aware of the tropes and subtext. Many reject them as 'an agenda', as analyses that have nothing to do with art but with politics and so on. In my experience, many if not most film majors just want to make videos and films, they don't really care about systemic injustice or faulty portrayals. It is really frustrating! But you are making a change! Cheers!
@nevetstrevel4711
@nevetstrevel4711 2 жыл бұрын
Normally i like your videos but this one seems kind of lazy. Not every movie where a minority helps a white person is this. It's when it's one dimensional. Like in karate kid the mentor character is fleshed out we get his backstory and racism against Asians specifically Japanese. So it's not swept under the rug. And he is there throughout the entire movie not discarded. It would be like saying anytime a female character dies she's fridged. Or any girl who is even a little bit different is a manic pixie dream girl. So many of your examples were just lazy
@romanticulous4892
@romanticulous4892 2 жыл бұрын
I've been rewatching the early seasons of the X Files, and oof.. the way they incorporated Native American characters in a bunch of episodes for the sole and explicit purpose of performing spiritual healing rituals to save Mulder and even Scully's sister from death was so cringe. On the other hand, I always found Tran from New Girl to be a self-aware (and hilarious) parody of the trope.
@kalstonii
@kalstonii 2 жыл бұрын
Ready to have your mind blown: O&A used to have a recurring guest, the great Patrice O’neal. He started on the show, then became a teacher of men, most notably, in the realm of interacting with women. He also foresaw the evident fallout and demise of the O&A show. Then, he unfortunately passed away 😮. And the o&a show did have the huge fallout and demise.
@dagnabit27851
@dagnabit27851 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I struggled to like The Queen's Gambit as much as I wanted to. The one black friend is there just long enough to get the protagonist hooked on drugs and in her moment of need, reappears with the money she needs to win a chess competition. Why should the black character give up her life's savings for this girl's hobby?
@Silly81
@Silly81 2 жыл бұрын
Someone help me out here, how was Bubba a “magical minority” in Forrest Gump? I always saw him as the Black counterpart of Forrest, hence the scene in which Lt. Dan asked sarcastically were they twins. I find it rather ironic and peculiar that we’re having a conversation about magical minorities in Hollywood movies yet that’s exactly how the current VP was selected and that was a big part of their campaign but I digress. I totally understand the subject of this video but some examples aren’t accurate, particularly Bubba Blue and Lucius Fox. Fox also because if you recall The Dark Knight he helped Batman but he disagreed with the method and he resigned at the end, that’s not a magical minority or servant, that’s an independent thinking man which destroys the stereotypes trope.
@paisan8766
@paisan8766 2 жыл бұрын
Some of these are self-aware parodies of the trope.
@mfmageiwatch
@mfmageiwatch 2 жыл бұрын
The Take does not care. They can't tell the difference.
@alienboy1322
@alienboy1322 2 жыл бұрын
@@mfmageiwatch I think you're missing the point of this video.
@samanthanorton4538
@samanthanorton4538 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like Tran from the New Girl. It was definitely self aware, yet they used a ton of clips since they so often straight up said what was happening. Plus he was given backstop. Nick ends up dating his daughter at some point.
@mfmageiwatch
@mfmageiwatch 2 жыл бұрын
@@alienboy1322 I am not, but thanks for your concern.
@mfmageiwatch
@mfmageiwatch 2 жыл бұрын
@@samanthanorton4538 yeah, exactly. They either don't recognize the difference, or they found so few examples they literally had to pad the video with non-examples...or both
@shalini_sevani
@shalini_sevani 2 жыл бұрын
What do you think about To Sir with Love? Sydney Potier does play a patient teacher helping uncouth London Youth become cultured and refined, and there's only a little back story on him. But, he's the main character and the movie and title song are about him.
@julieflores2181
@julieflores2181 2 жыл бұрын
So how do we fix this? Cast black, brown, & Asian people as the protagonists with their own story to tell!
@pikachuuprising637
@pikachuuprising637 2 жыл бұрын
In Forrest defense. He was the magical minority to Lt Dan
@jamesgomez9151
@jamesgomez9151 2 жыл бұрын
The Bubba and Forrest friendship is an example how nero-diverse people bond. Bubba sees Forrest and immediately recognizes someone like himself, so he decides to befriend him. The Take totally glossed over that.
@jaminavestajugo3456
@jaminavestajugo3456 2 жыл бұрын
With all due respect, Forrest has many other things to do in the movie besides look after Lt. Dan. The point of being a Magical Minority character is that you don't have any other goals and purpose besides "serving."
@BadgerCheese94
@BadgerCheese94 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaminavestajugo3456 In most movies, isnt the role of 95% of other characters to add something to the protagonists journey? Forrest Gump is about Forrest Gump, not Bubba, not Jenny, not Lt. Dan. These characters get fleshed out a bit but its still Forrest's story.
@RoemelloBaum-im2ij
@RoemelloBaum-im2ij 2 ай бұрын
It's funny how they. Try to single out blk men when in fact blk women are the ones doing the stereotypes why they not getting called out
@alejandrocervantes3624
@alejandrocervantes3624 2 жыл бұрын
9:23 Feel Good!? Who the hell feels good watching the green mile? In latinamerica they named that movie "the sins devourer"
@spermario645
@spermario645 9 ай бұрын
How is Faulks in Batman Begins a magical negro? The dude literally lost his job at the new CEO and gets hired again as a chairman, in the sequel he literally disagrees with Batman’s plan as it is a step towards taking away our freedoms
@tam9856
@tam9856 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! I’ve been waiting on The Take to do a video on this.
@kenster8270
@kenster8270 2 жыл бұрын
Take away the magical part and you're left with just a tokenized one-dimensional sidekick for comical relief. Like the effeminate gay best friend trope.
@akym82810
@akym82810 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of times I wonder if The Take actually watches the films they mention rather than just probably read the byline of it. Oda Mae in Ghost got a backstory (she was a con woman to begin with whose mother was a psychic and at the beginning she was pretending to see ghosts), a motive to help (Patrick Swayze annoyed her to the point she agreed to help, then one thing led to another) and to the point where her "spiritual and moral awakening", from her psychic abilities kickstarting and her trying to be a better person - that scene at the bank probably won Whoopi that Oscar, came from a white man (well, a white male ghost). And that's not as far a stretch as calling Nick from Feel Good an example of "magical minority" trope. While all this is probably problematic in various other ways, which I'm sure The Take will be able to do a 20 minute content and monetize about, it feels like the whole premise of "why is this still a thing" hangs on a) a TV series which didn't get a lot of fanfare, b) the 2019 Oscar winner which was kinda mostly forgotten about now except as a punchline and c) Feel Good? Really? Did you actually watch it?
@TheMajorStranger
@TheMajorStranger 2 жыл бұрын
Laurence Fishburne in Passengers has the magical, mystical power... of being a crewmember of the Starship. I don't think this should apply.
@joey_dangerously
@joey_dangerously 2 жыл бұрын
Same with Morgan Freeman in Batman. Wtf was that?
@rahbeeuh
@rahbeeuh 2 жыл бұрын
He and Morgan Freeman are included bc they put their needs below their white protagonists and we don't get any backstory behind either
@TheMajorStranger
@TheMajorStranger 2 жыл бұрын
@@rahbeeuh Oh I'm sorry should we have gotten a 25 minute flashback Fishburne early childhood, his first love and heartbreak that made him decide to become a crewmember on a spaceship? I think it's equally racist to single out supporting characters for being POC. Would you expect different treatment for a white supporting character? Do we get massive backstory to Michael Sheen's robot barman? Also what's up with showing Mr Miyagi as that trope, everyone knows Miyagi IS Karate Kid. The movie is not about a kid and a stupid tournament. It's about a Japanese american WWII veteran finding a reason to live and reconnecting with the world following decades of depression since the death of his wife and child in the internment camp the american governement subjected their Japanese-American populations.
@mrIlovethe90s1
@mrIlovethe90s1 2 жыл бұрын
The point they serve is that their ONLY PURPOSE is to serve the white protagonist usually in one-sided power dynamics. I feel the video states this fairly well.
@TheMajorStranger
@TheMajorStranger 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrIlovethe90s1 That's the point of a supporting character, regardless of gender or ethnicity.
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 2 жыл бұрын
The real question: Are there African movies with "Magical Blancos"? I imagine Arnold Schwarzenegger randomly appearing in a Ugandan movie just to teach the protagonist how to shoot a Shotgun with one hand.
@toomuchinformation
@toomuchinformation 2 жыл бұрын
They're white saviours.
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 2 жыл бұрын
@@toomuchinformation That would require the movie to be about them. If they randomly appear and selflessly play a supporting role that's clearly not the case.
@toomuchinformation
@toomuchinformation 2 жыл бұрын
@@Alias_Anybody But have you ever seen any African films made for Africans though? I'm not talking about Western productions in Africa who will inevitably have a white or Black American lead to "sell" the movie abroad.
@Alias_Anybody
@Alias_Anybody 2 жыл бұрын
@@toomuchinformation That's why I'm asking, there don't seem to be very many, and almost none are marketed internationally.
@GenerationNextNextNext
@GenerationNextNextNext 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I always say representation for representation's sake isn't a good thing. That goes for all minorities, even LGBTQ community and other ethnic groups. We have to raise our standards. Just sticking a person of a minority group in a movie or show doesn't make it good. Period. I said my piece.
@mewesquirrel6720
@mewesquirrel6720 2 жыл бұрын
The LGBTQ are not "minorities"🤣🤣
@alwynwatson6119
@alwynwatson6119 2 жыл бұрын
@@mewesquirrel6720 So you think there are numerically more people who are Lesbian,Gay,Black,Trans or Queer than everybody else put together? Or you think they have more political power than any other demographic despite obvious evidence to the contrary?
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
@@mewesquirrel6720 I’m sorry are they a majority? Cause majority of the world isn’t LGBT.
@mewesquirrel6720
@mewesquirrel6720 Жыл бұрын
@@alexwilliams2276 Stop🤣🤣 you're not oppressed
@alexwilliams2276
@alexwilliams2276 Жыл бұрын
@@mewesquirrel6720 The community is oppressed in the sense that it’s still illegal to married in several countries. You can die for being LGBT. Your rights as a trans man are being taking away. Your rights as a trans woman and athlete are being questioned upon. Your rights as a kid that is part of the LGBT community is questioned as a phase or something that won’t last long. Your rights as a trans person that wants to just live is discarded when hundreds of POC are killed everyday because a man’s Integrity is questioned. Or how about, the fact that there are pending and passed bills that are anti-LGBT. So, yes the group is oppressed in the sense that these bills can be subverted and that people aren’t ready to be open to their gay son or gay daughter or trans son or trans daughter or bisexual kid. Or the fact that the tropes such as the sexual or promiscuous Bisexual exist. Or ooops, they’re gay let’s kill them off. Let’s queerbait or pretend that we support a community when in actually we’re donating to Anti-LGBT people. Or let’s pretend that a gay man can’t be fired from his for being gay. Or let’s pretend that Black woman that build muscles aren’t being questioned in their womanhood. Is Meghan Thee Stallion a man? Does Lady Gaga have a penis? Oh that marijuana runner looks like a man? So, yeah, I can pretend that they’re not oppressed, but I would be lying if I said discrimination doesn’t exist.
@jbtechcon7434
@jbtechcon7434 2 жыл бұрын
I have an awful feeling that the screen writers simply don't know how to portray minorities in a positive but realistic way.
@unknownunknowns
@unknownunknowns 9 ай бұрын
Watch 2008’s Never Back Down where while its premise is similar to The Karate Kid, the minority mentor does have his own personal issues to which his white student does help him. Hopefully, you can overcome your feelings against Amber Heard, if that’s the case for you.
@Dhdhdhdbs-qu7oe
@Dhdhdhdbs-qu7oe 2 ай бұрын
Oh gosh! This video is so important, it made me take a step back and realize how I'm treated by certain people, and i do believe they only want know how i can help them instead of actually being friends and both of us actually caring about each other's real lives, damn, effective outdated trope, you scary!
@acenull0
@acenull0 2 жыл бұрын
"WHO YOU CALLING NEGRO BXTCH" 😂😂😂😂 as a black guy that was my favorite part of this whole video 😂
@acenull0
@acenull0 2 жыл бұрын
Patiently helping these white boys was a second 😂😂😂
@awesomeized1432
@awesomeized1432 2 жыл бұрын
My question is when is a relationship between white and minority characters not under the umbrellas of magical minority or white savior tropes? How can we write a pair of characters like this with a helpful relationship between each other while avoiding the tropes here? What are some successful examples of this relationship?
@GuessJess
@GuessJess 2 жыл бұрын
Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a good example, but I would guess that only way the tropes could be avoided is if you make the characters equals in every way possible and they take turns helping each other.
@summerbirds1549
@summerbirds1549 2 жыл бұрын
My example might be a bit weird, but in the and "Run with the wind" there's a black character, he's name Musa, and he's just... You know, a usual student :D There are no white people in THE ANIME about Japanese, but they're wrote a black character as a regular person, yet you can still feel him as a foreigner, but without stupid cliches. He doesn't speak with weird accents, acts like a shy guy. Once when his friends made a joke that he has to be good at running, he said that's just a stereotype. I wish to see this type of writing of poc side characters more.
@moonlight4665
@moonlight4665 2 жыл бұрын
Weirdly, I think Clueless might be a good example
@spectre9340
@spectre9340 2 жыл бұрын
Disney's The Princess and the Frog Both Tiana and Lotty have their own desires and story lines, all while cheering each other on.
@witchplease9695
@witchplease9695 2 жыл бұрын
Write both as human beings with flaws that both support and help each other to become better through character development. It’s not hard. The problem with this trope is that it’s usually the minority only existing to serve and support the whites person, or the white savior is there to solve all the minority’s problem and the minority had no agency before then. The fact that people find it difficult to know how to write two characters of different races interacting without making it a magical minority or white savior shows how media has completely warped your minds on race relations.
@chickofmusic001
@chickofmusic001 2 жыл бұрын
Was stalking y’all channel 😳😂 thanks for uploading
@sorafanchick
@sorafanchick 2 жыл бұрын
Because of this video, it's time to have a Native American/First Nations trope video. People literally think First Nations people are only apart of history or fantasy. They need their own video about the issue of their representation. The magical minority is ridiculous.
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