The Making of Warhammer | Fourth Edition: Boxing the Behemoth

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Jordan Sorcery

Jordan Sorcery

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Part three of the complete making of Warhammer - a series looking at the development and release of the greatest war game in tabletop history!
Whilst 40k instantly sky rockets, Rick Priestley returns to his other creation to refine and simplify it for a new generation: Warhammer Fantasy Battles 4th edition makes the game more accessible than ever, even going so far as to put brand new plastic miniatures in its starter box!
This new drive towards younger consumers and an overall shift to a more formal and corporate way of working marks the beginning of a major change for Games Workshop and its games - play time is over.
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Chapters:
00:00 Open
01:34 Introduction
03:20 Ansell's Parting Gifts
10:48 Warhammer IV
29:41 Close
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Links & Sources:
Massive shout out to the Realm of Chaos 80s and John Wombat blogs who have conducted interviews with many of the key players from Games Workshop in this era.
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[8] White Dwarf 154 (October 1992, pg27-31)
[9] Dragon Magazine 189 (January 1993, pg113-114)
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@rickpriestley4569
@rickpriestley4569 Жыл бұрын
Just to say hi and that I really enjoyed your piece on WH4 - and also the previous two on the earlier version of WH - plenty of stuff in there that even I'd forgotten - well it was a long time ago and all that. I don't recall exactly when Battle Masters hit the streets - 1992 according to our friend the interweb - but with all the Milton Bradley/Hasbro projects there was always a much longer lead time than for our own games. In fact, BM was very much steered by Bryan Ansell, who designed the game itself, so although it came out after Bryan had left GW that was only a matter of MB's timing. Once Tom Kirby took the reins we were really too busy on our own projects to do further work for MB, although we did do some further model design work it was rather reluctantly done and MB soon found other sources of design. As a side note - Bryan's original design for BM envisaged a lot more troops, but MB insisted on expending a chunk of the budget on the tower model - which we all thought was crazy when you could have quite a lot of figures for the same 'plastic'. The MB team insisted on including the tower to give the game 'verticality'... we had a bit of to and fro on that! Keep up the good work.
@Rob-nq6br
@Rob-nq6br Жыл бұрын
Fun small fact - The copy of Reaper in the first video of the series I got you to sign at a BOYL a few years back!
@robertdean52
@robertdean52 Жыл бұрын
The tower model on its own was a nice piece. I’ve got one obtained second hand just a few years ago that has featured in quite a few recent fantasy games…
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this comment, and thank even more for the incredible work you’ve done to build this hobby! I, for one, owe you a great deal for all the amazing experiences I’ve had playing your games, and I doubt I’m alone in that. Interesting to hear more about Battle Masters development, I didn’t realise Bryan Ansell was so instrumental in it. I’ll definitely cite you when I get round to a BM video! Please forgive this shameless bit of self interest, but if you’re ever interested in chatting through and documenting some of the early history of your work, just let me know
@NisGaarde
@NisGaarde Жыл бұрын
I'm sure you get this all the time, and rightfully so, but thank you so much for your contributions to Warhammer and adjacent games over the years. It has shaped the imaginations of millions, myself included.
@wulfbak
@wulfbak Жыл бұрын
The worlds you helped create are a big part of my forty years of gaming. Thank you!
@jonathan2950
@jonathan2950 Жыл бұрын
You could tell Games Workshop had hit the mainstream in the early 90s when Warhammer 4th edition and Advanced HeroQuest were included for purchase in the Argos catalogue!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Ah man, I must have missed AHQ being in there. That would have completely changed my list for Santa!
@Cellaghney
@Cellaghney Жыл бұрын
And 40K, that's where I got mine... 😂
@PigeonSmythe
@PigeonSmythe Жыл бұрын
They carried Space Marine in the Argos catalog too
@ComandaKronikk
@ComandaKronikk 2 ай бұрын
That 4th edition art is absolutely incredible.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Ай бұрын
Agreed
@ObjectiveMedia
@ObjectiveMedia Ай бұрын
Rules were too
@LordVader1094
@LordVader1094 Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched the video yet but I just want to say that I love both this series and your whole channel for basically being the only channel in existence that has high-quality content focused on Warhammer Fantasy.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this! I love these games, especially Warhammer, so spending the time researching and talking about them has been such a pleasure
@madzen112
@madzen112 2 ай бұрын
Used to make paper cutouts for the units I didn't have in Fantasy Battle and play on the floor, pretending to play my high elves against my cousins dwarves. He still won when he came over for holidays, I was such a Timmy.
@Kolyarut
@Kolyarut Жыл бұрын
Rumour at my local GW back in that era was that some kid put his eye out on one of the goblin spears from that 4th ed box set, but of course a lot of people liked to tell a lot of tall tales. One kid insisted that in the upcoming 40k 3rd edition the Lion was going to return, and clearly that's some kind of nonsense that's never going to happen...
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I think I heard a similar story causing the end of the plastic measuring sticks!
@mikenolan73
@mikenolan73 Жыл бұрын
4th edition was where I first started playing WFB. I'd been playing 40k and historicals before that but 4th was where I sold my soul to Chaos!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
4th edition had some wonderfully appealing armies, I think I’d collected most of them by the end of the edition!
@pagancrew
@pagancrew Жыл бұрын
The real measure of the care you put into filming these is that your recordings take a cat's sleep-groom cycle. Oh and also the great detail, research (love the design background, always) and, of course, actual archival images. (Wait, are the 90s archival now?)
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Sleep time is the only time she’s not making completely reasonable demands for constant attention!
@TheAegisClaw
@TheAegisClaw 9 ай бұрын
That box was where I really started too, a Christmas gift one year along with all the metal models for those things that were cards in the box. I was made up as a 13 year old. I had long been aware of GW games, from the mid to late 80s as an already veteran D&D player by that time. Some golden memories.
@Pariahwulfen
@Pariahwulfen Жыл бұрын
My father still has two copies of Battle Master, since he figured it'd be a good way to get me into the hobby and it was a cheaper way to buy the minis at the time...he never did get around to cracking that second box to paint them...
@Annatar339
@Annatar339 Жыл бұрын
This is the gold standard. As someone who got into the setting after end times I really think 4th eds art is what really got me. Just unparalleled.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Some magnificent art from the 4th Ed era!
@TheBattlinBarrowGaming
@TheBattlinBarrowGaming Жыл бұрын
I still have a drastik plastic orc somewhere in my collection. Loving this series!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad! I’ve never actually seen one of those Drastik boyz in real life - on my list to track down at some point!
@TheBattlinBarrowGaming
@TheBattlinBarrowGaming Жыл бұрын
@@jordansorcery there's not much of it left. To be honest I had forgotten that it was called this is been so long. I think I got it back in 88/89!
@superdupertyson
@superdupertyson Жыл бұрын
The 4th ed illustrations are mind blowing. Jaw droppingly beautiful
@apexFMUKGaming
@apexFMUKGaming Жыл бұрын
Great vid. Looking forward to the next one
@Vrooten
@Vrooten Жыл бұрын
Love this series. You could easily have got by by just playing the nostalgia card, but you went the extra mile and it's great!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Glad you’re enjoying it! It surprised me how much I got into the behind stuff as I was researching, just felt right to try and bring some of it to light!
@bruceottenberg373
@bruceottenberg373 Жыл бұрын
I got into Warhammer in 3rd Edition, but 4th is when WFB really broke into a more mainstream crowd. This brings waves of nostalgia!
@Stonehorn
@Stonehorn 8 ай бұрын
Up until 3rd it had a very different ruleset. Especially first and second edition. By third edition, some modern mechanics had started to solidify, but it still was still very different. 4th is when it truly became a war game.
@RSBurgener
@RSBurgener Жыл бұрын
And this is when I came along! I entered the game along with my champion, Vlad Von Carstein, the fantasy version of mid-80's Dave Vanian. Six months later, I would enter the 41st millennium alongside Mephiston, The Lord of Death. And that's why I am who I am today.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
It was a dynamite era!
@upthebracket26
@upthebracket26 Жыл бұрын
What an unexpected blast from the past. Great video :)
@laurentderrien
@laurentderrien Жыл бұрын
This is the version which introduced me to the game too, and so many people of my age in France. So glad I met the right people who owned Battle Masters and 4th ! 5th came soon after in my case, and that's the one I played most. I wish I never stopped and sold most of it. I kept all my skavens tho, I'm sure you'll appreciate that !
@cuckoowasp2009
@cuckoowasp2009 Жыл бұрын
As a Junior-high student who lived, breathed, and dreamed in Games Workshop technicolor in the early 90s, your videos hit me right in the nostalgia gland. Thank you!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad it sparks a nice nostalgia hit!
@caitlynwarrington8690
@caitlynwarrington8690 Жыл бұрын
Great series. I was fortunate enough to begin playing Warhammer at 1st edition and Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader. I have many fond memories of these games.
@whitewolf44a
@whitewolf44a Жыл бұрын
Oh wow this video had a cat instantly. LOVE IT
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
It was a race against time before she awoke!
@tartanpimpernel6358
@tartanpimpernel6358 Жыл бұрын
Omg as soon as i saw those gobbos i had an immediate memory of pain. And then you referenced it later in your vid!
@ageoflove1980
@ageoflove1980 6 ай бұрын
I give this video a +5 feline score.
@thelonelybolter8245
@thelonelybolter8245 Жыл бұрын
this series is so well-researched and presented! fantastic!!!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@tyleranderson4721
@tyleranderson4721 Жыл бұрын
Got my start with this set as well. Soo many hours sunk into lovingly looking at the art, reading over the rules, and moving those elves and goblins across the dining table.
@xShammehx
@xShammehx Жыл бұрын
My first ever miniatures were from the Warhammer 4th boxed set, bought second hand for me as a birthday present by my parents when I turned 9. I had seen and wanted to play Warhammer 40k, but they hadn't been able to tell the difference between the two games. I didn't havethe heart to tell them they had got it wrong, so from that point on I became a Warhammer Fantasy player and I never looked back until Age of Sigmar. That box made me into a High Elf player, I still have most of those pointy spear boys to this day along with my metal Dragon and Griffon miniatures(in pieces of course). I miss the extensive Lore that was present in the 4th edition Army books, there was so many grand tales that are not often referenced or are done so only casually nowadays.
@pforson
@pforson Жыл бұрын
Great episode. This was probably the largest change in the direction of GW and Warhammer since Ansell took over from Livingston and Jackson. I got into the hobby with HeroQuest and 4th was the edition I played the most growing up, but honestly, looking back now as an adult, the art, style and overall feel of the first 3 editions (especially 3rd) is just so much more interesting. Bill King‘s „Moorcock grubby realism“ description was spot on!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, it’s fascinating to see the change in the products, art, writing, and other material being released through that transition. It paints such a picture of change
@Patrick-rz3ug
@Patrick-rz3ug Жыл бұрын
I couldn’t agree more. I still loved what they did but the previous visual feel was better.
@maugan37
@maugan37 Жыл бұрын
This one in particular was such a trip down memory lane. Hilarious that you noted the stabbyness of the goblin spears, I remember that so well. I got the box when I was about 14, had to get it shipped from Australia because nowhere local to me in New Zealand stocked it. Thank you for the video, it's a work of art.
@MiniatureRealms
@MiniatureRealms Жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video, this is a brilliant series, really like how you’ve woven 4th edition into a wider context of GW at the time. 4th is right there with 3rd for me as the core of my early years as a wargamer. I think during this ‘era’ I’d moved on from playing just Fantasy, to playing (or having plans to play) anything and everything GW made. As a painter, Mike McVey was probably my first painting hero, but it’s amazing how those tiny black and white pictures on the contents page of White Dwarf have extra personality to the writers and designers, pre-internet it gave a brilliant connect to the studio for teenagers playing at home. Would love a video on GW and literature, would be really interesting to hear the development towards Black Library. Great stuff, thank you for doing these.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad you’re still enjoying them! I’m really interested in spending some time on GW books, such a brave era for GW that
@victorgarcia575
@victorgarcia575 Жыл бұрын
Fourth edition was the first one in Spain, I think. The first I and my friends played. So many fond memories fighting each other every weekend!
@jsw0278
@jsw0278 Жыл бұрын
This was the period I was interested in it, with those miniatures with brightly coloured paint schemes that were fashionable back then
@lokennz
@lokennz Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. 4th Edition was the pinnacle of fantasy wargaming. My friends and I used a house rule to limit our armies to two characters max and it made the games far more balanced
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
That’s a great house rule for 4th/5th I think, a little bit of at home balancing can go a very long way!
@jsw0278
@jsw0278 Жыл бұрын
Me and my friends house ruled so much stuff that it was hardly warhammer any more. But we never bothered to get any of the newer edition rules after that
@ElderlyJoeDuffy
@ElderlyJoeDuffy Жыл бұрын
The in-depth videos have lived up to the quality of the first overview video. These are a great watch! Looking forward to the rest!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for your support! I’m really glad you’re enjoying the series!
@EntropicEcho
@EntropicEcho Жыл бұрын
I too started my addiction around this period. While today I'm more in love with the grittier and weirder Warhammer world of the 80s, this era also still holds a special place for me. The rules were horribly clunky and unbalanced, but we absolutely no idea as we were just teenagers as it was the only thing we knew.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m the same: I love this edition for what it meant to me at the time, yet over the years the older Warhammer has appealed more and more
@robertjeffrey5560
@robertjeffrey5560 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this series. Warhammer and wargaming in general has been an absolutely HUGE part of my life for over 30 years now! Its so cool learning about the early days!
@markysgeeklab8783
@markysgeeklab8783 Жыл бұрын
I am really enjoying your videos. Been listening to them while building and painting my "new" Warhammer The Old World armies... got a pile of 400 25mm square bases ready
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I've decided to stick with the smaller bases, but I need to get a whole load sorted for my new Empire army so I know the challenge!
@darrenrichardson6146
@darrenrichardson6146 Ай бұрын
WFB 4th edition was MY edition, played the heck out of it during my 1992-96 school years, having been introduced in 89 at the tender age of 9 to Hero Quest. These days while I see talk of how it's this persons favourite or that person's dislike, I rarely see talk about one of the most important sections in the Rulebook which means with the Bestiary Book, you actually have an almost complete system without the need for the army books, the Points Value "Appendix" at the back! With the wealth of plastic kits today, it's very easy to build armies in the classic Oldhammer era look by using those points costs and the Bestiary stat blocks and bring a new lease of life to the old books, just think, the three Oathmark Dwarves box sets can give you the core of a decent 1000pt army, or use Gripping Beasts Dark Ages Warriors kits and make a rough looking human army in no time at all!
@GoblinGreen2021
@GoblinGreen2021 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed these Making of Warhammer series, great stuff!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad, thank you!
@matthewjarvis3103
@matthewjarvis3103 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely superb! Loving this series, as many have said one of the best Warhammer (mostly) hobby channels on the 'tinternet. Following this episode I had to dust off and take a look at my old Drastic Plastic Orcs and plastic regiment minis. Still cool. Thank you for the detail and nostalgic trip.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Happy to have inspired a little orcy reminiscence! Thanks for the kind words, Matthew!
@Patrick-rz3ug
@Patrick-rz3ug Жыл бұрын
I think that was the most comprehensive vid on the subject that I’ve seen. Well done!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mightyg4538
@mightyg4538 Жыл бұрын
This is amazing, can’t wait for more. Content like this is what’s needed on YT!
@MIJCheng
@MIJCheng Жыл бұрын
I have thoroughly enjoyed this series and am looking forward to exploring the later editions. Thanks for making these quality videos.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad!
@benhayward2597
@benhayward2597 Жыл бұрын
That box was my 1st introduction to warhammer, I remember getting repeatedly poked by the spears.
@batjutsu
@batjutsu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another solid overview. The transition of garishly bright Herohammer, always important for Skaven to look squeaky-clean-bright. 😉Squeak-squeak! 🤩🐀🌠
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
It’s pleasing to see that there’s still a relative grubbiness to many Skaven, even during the reddest red period at GW!
@alscott5700
@alscott5700 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this series. Yes you have inspired me to dig out my 2nd and 4th Ed rules and introduce 4th, to the school games club I run. Happy days ahead!
@stalker1983
@stalker1983 4 ай бұрын
Already seen this one. But here I am back to listen Jordan inform me of the past mysteries and poke at my nostalgia. Best of times
@drdiscostu
@drdiscostu 7 ай бұрын
Haha arcane magic also included ice spells! Very important as the empire only had 8 separate types of magic already
@NisGaarde
@NisGaarde Жыл бұрын
Excellent work - as always!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Nis!
@paulsyrah
@paulsyrah Жыл бұрын
A most excellent series of videos. I’m still torn between WFB3 and WFB4. WFB3 felt better but was so complicated that we didn’t play or finish that many games. As soon as WFB4 dropped, loads of games got played. I preferred the WFB3 push back rule and did not like the ‘fail LD and whole unit gets wiped out’ replacement. But then I had just painted those 50 gobbos! WFB4 properly ramped up the fluff though with all those books, that was really good.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I had an orcs & goblins army around 4th edition and it was so much fun!
@rp7155
@rp7155 Жыл бұрын
15:59 that really struck a chord 😂😂 those little goblin spears were deadly!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
They were so dangerous!
@Senaneone
@Senaneone Жыл бұрын
As someone who only got into Warhammer by the time Age of Sigmar rolled around, I gotta say these videos have been super interesting.
@TheSirSpence
@TheSirSpence Жыл бұрын
They were my favourite HE archers of all time. I wish you could still get them.
@andyhall109
@andyhall109 Жыл бұрын
I was also a child of 4th edition (although I had tinkered with 3ed and Warhammer Armies thanks to my best mate). Like you, it got it's claws in and never let go, and now Warhammer has defined my career. Rick, Andy, Jervis et al have a lot to answer for!
@jjett350
@jjett350 Жыл бұрын
I remember the Christmas. When my dad got me Hero quest and Battle Master. I was way to young to understand the rules. And didn't have anyone to play with me. But wow i fell in love with the miniatures!
@Stonehorn
@Stonehorn 8 ай бұрын
This series is great. I started playing with 4th in late 1992. It was a special time in wargaming.
@LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue
@LincolnTank-StillOnTheSprue 7 ай бұрын
Great history again. You make several references in many of your vids about games, character names and events that showed that once upon a time GW wasn't afraid to laugh at itself and embrace the inane
@zalhietzli
@zalhietzli Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video series ! Very well documented and you are great story teller ! Although I started on the 6th edition, I saw glimpses of older versions in my youth, and I just love the old art that came with it ! Please keep up the good work ! :)
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@KateHolden
@KateHolden Жыл бұрын
It's impossible for me to be objective about the change from earlier editions to 4th, because the second I see that colourful art and those lovely pristine McVey high elves with vibrant red sashes, nostalgia hijacks my brain. I was a kid who fell in love with Warhammer around the shift from 4th to 5th ed, and I love that vibrant, yet grim world.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
That era captured my imagination so much, I definitely owe my love of the hobby to a lot of it! I still love it a great deal, though have found more appeal in the earlier art as the years have gone by as well!
@ktg8030
@ktg8030 Жыл бұрын
Spells were included in the army book in this set. I think there were 6 cards you could photocopy from the back of the book.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
You’re quite right!
@unholyduckman
@unholyduckman Жыл бұрын
Excellent channel, going from strength to strength from something that started out relatively strong anyway. I love your presenting style and content is just nostalgia heaven. Bravo Sir, keep up the good work.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you, appreciate the kind words!
@pansar86
@pansar86 Жыл бұрын
4:ed was the time when i starten collecting warhammer, by god I was a terrible painter. Still paint to this day and I go all out goblingreen bases and the most bright colorschemes I can. It was a special time with those crazy colors.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
The armies of that era were vibrant to say the least!
@Jackalblade9
@Jackalblade9 Жыл бұрын
After a lengthy social media hiatus I've got a lot of catching up to do and this is the best way to kick it off. As always, your ability to present information in a thorough, concise and entertaining matter is almost unparalleled, sir. I can't wait to catch up on the rest of your videos!
@brett7773
@brett7773 Жыл бұрын
GW seems to have forgot it’s the 40th anniversary of Warhammer Fantasy Battle… it’s very good that you haven’t 🤜
@jasonnewell7036
@jasonnewell7036 Жыл бұрын
4th ed was where I jumped on board with Warhammer and I stayed all the way to 7th. The amount of times I was impaled on my own goblins' spears...
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
So many scars!
@jasonnewell7036
@jasonnewell7036 Жыл бұрын
@@jordansorcery the number of times I'd pull my hand away and they'd be embedded in my flesh. How did they sculpt something so sharp? They could have made a fortune with that monofilament technology!
@adriltythorin6702
@adriltythorin6702 Жыл бұрын
I remember getting Battle Masters in 1994 here in Oz. It was fun to play, and a gateway into Warhammer. And the units, terrain pieces and the tower all came in handy to supplement my later armies. Truly a nostalgic memory.
@eezergoode8588
@eezergoode8588 Жыл бұрын
I need part 4! Hook it straight to my veins.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
We need another video in here STAT!
@danielpapst8698
@danielpapst8698 Жыл бұрын
Mate I have to say these videos have been fantastic. It’s been a while since I’ve sat down and made some minis to a KZfaq video, and the combination of your fantastic content and the hype I have for TOW has me feeling cheery af. So thank you for the effort you’ve put in!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this, appreciate you giving them a watch!
@mcwomble99
@mcwomble99 Жыл бұрын
Awesome series. I no longer play, but started with the first edition and this brought back loads of great memories. I enjoyed you cat chilling out in the background too.
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын
Another great look into Warhammer history. Looking forward to the series on GW trying to break into publishing fiction. The highlighter sound effect grew on me as the video progressed.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks Crimson! Mixed views on that sound effect, think I might lower the volume next time at the very least!
@CrimsonTemplar2
@CrimsonTemplar2 Жыл бұрын
Probably best. Less is more.
@jameswhitehouse5706
@jameswhitehouse5706 Жыл бұрын
Another great instalment. Your brief mention of Battle Masters bought back memories. Luckily I still have my copy. In fact I bought another set off eBay last year with a crazy dream of combining two playmats and two giant Imperial and Chaos armies. Of course it’s never happened.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I cannot imagine a living room floor big enough to house two of those game mats!
@robperkins2085
@robperkins2085 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video bud - you've researched thoroughly and present it well. looking forward to the next video...
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
@nikoladedic6623
@nikoladedic6623 Жыл бұрын
Also, funny that you mentioned Chaos Dwarves and their struggles with getting army lists when now they received a proper DLC for TWW3.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
They always come back!
@joshuawamback3574
@joshuawamback3574 Жыл бұрын
Another great video. I received Battle Masters, and the included mailer was sent away for a GW catalog, a sample White Dwarf, and that got me hooked
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
They knew what they were doing!
@stalker1983
@stalker1983 Жыл бұрын
Just received a copy of 2nd edition warhammer fantasy today and thought of you :D remembered the new episode should have dropped by now and I see I was late!!!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Never too late!
@jamesbullen2920
@jamesbullen2920 Жыл бұрын
I remember the big green free catalog at this time, must track down a copy. And how the models seemed to match my HeroQuest board game. Love the look of the elves.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Those early 90s green and red catalogues were amazing! So full of promise
@JustGimmeAFrakinName
@JustGimmeAFrakinName Жыл бұрын
LMAO!!! That ending.... 🤌🤌
@dysonraf
@dysonraf Жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant 👏. Also my first edition played. Epic
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I loved that box so much, incredible memories from my start with the hobby!
@benbaxter1047
@benbaxter1047 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jordan for this one. I am glad you gave 3rd and 4th ed their own video. I started playing Warhammer Fantasy Battles after this edition but I remember collecting the Empire and Orc and Goblins from this edition and using the models from Battle Master to expand my Armies. As a side note, a friend who owned Hero Quest introduced me to GW and 40K in 1993 from where I played most of their games including WFB.
@chocodoco4855
@chocodoco4855 Жыл бұрын
I love this edition. I was introduced to Warhammer through an old set a friend had gotten from his brother. He never played it, so had no problem gifting me a high elf archer. That was my first miniature. This was in 2003, so we were well into 6th edition, but to me Warhammer always gets me to that transition time between herohammer and 6th. I still have that archer BTW, first among the hosts of the Asur!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Those High Elf Archers remain iconic to me!
@brucemcbain3150
@brucemcbain3150 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for giving us a look at the history and evolution of the company that we love/hate/love! This was a pleasure to watch -and learn.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
I’m glad it was enjoyable and informative! Thank you!
@nikoladedic6623
@nikoladedic6623 9 ай бұрын
Wow, had to have another magazine added to my hoard because of this video. I had no idea Red Giant existed and it was focused on Fantasy Warlord.
@ktg8030
@ktg8030 Жыл бұрын
I have this set. Its one of my most prized possessions.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
It’s a classic!
@danm2966
@danm2966 Жыл бұрын
HAHA this was "my set" as well. My brother and I received it as a shared Christmas present one year, and share we did. We played out games with those plastic armies (gah! that goblin spearman is hanging out of my finger! The spear is actually a spear!) then we moved on to making our own armies. I still have our original game books and army books from that time (Skaven and Wood Elf) and have managed to hang on to some of the miniatures from that time too. Funnily you showed WD 155... that was my first ever copy of WD too! Goodness, I read that thing cover to cover multiple times a year!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Now that’s a tremendous Christmas gift!
@Perkustin
@Perkustin Жыл бұрын
Excellent Video, i can't wait for 'my' era in the next couple videos! Also no spoilers but the sleeping cat does something at ~25 minute mark.
@garfieldv2
@garfieldv2 Жыл бұрын
I started with 4th when a mate had bought it. I had already bought fantasy warriors, which had 102 dwarves and Orcs. So we played warhammer. By the end of the 90’s I was jacked off with GW’s constant changes to the game and stopped. However, over the last 8 years or so, I now play 3rd edition and love it.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
One of the best things about retro gaming is that it becomes so much more about playing on our terms rather than the company’s - there’s a wonderful freedom to that
@6Stevo
@6Stevo Жыл бұрын
Best one yet. Keep up the good work on this excellent series. 👏
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks Stevo! Now the hard work begins - 5th edition onward are the ones EVERYONE remembers!
@BenColemanUK
@BenColemanUK Жыл бұрын
Fantastic series, so well researched, and the love for the games really shines through. My formative years with GW were partly in the Red Period, the very colourful style has stuck with me, even today ~30 years later my models still come out in very vivid hues! Looking forward to the next part.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Cheers Ben, glad you’re enjoying the series! I only wish I’d learned to paint at some point in the past 30 years!
@chrisherbert9924
@chrisherbert9924 8 ай бұрын
This warhammer videos are really interesting
@leonatus221
@leonatus221 2 ай бұрын
Thx mate
@crafty_android
@crafty_android 5 ай бұрын
Great history thanks
@NB-568
@NB-568 Жыл бұрын
I need more!
@rotwang2000
@rotwang2000 Жыл бұрын
A funny detail is that Ansell left GW and consolidated Wargames Foundry by drawing in all the top sculptors who were all doing historical minis on the side next to their GW dayjob. Foundry became the GW of historical wargaming, a miniature producing giant offering high quality miniatures. They became a dominant force in that some were worried that they were becoming too dominant as they had with Fantasy and SF gaming. Ansell made one critical mistake, he thought he could push wargaming into a premium niche where miniatures had no upper price limit. He was convinced that wargamers would be willing to pay any price for their lead fix. The market simply didn't follow and several companies produced equally good miniatures at reasonable prices. As prices rose steadily the bulk of his sales came from the heavily discounted deals, but when those became too much for most wallets Foundry went into a slump. Ansell blamed the stingy wargamer and claimed he would conquer the market of the collector, ready to fork out far more for an individual casting than any wargamer ever dared. Sadly he never found this market. A few years later a few daring people tried what was considered pure insanity until then, historic plastic miniatures. The common wisdom at the time was that only the five richest kings of Europe could afford the massive cost of making plastic miniatures. Historic Plastics were considered a pipe dream at best, complete madness at worst. But things had changed and the market was ready for it because former Matchbox and GW employees started their own business and they had the skills to make quality plastics. All it needed was a few enterprising sculptors to try this. From the ranks of GW arose a generation of people who were business-trained and understood things like marketing and sales volumes. They started the historical version of GW, Warlord Games with plastic Romans. The Perry brothers released an ACW set and Conquest would have been among the first had they not had issues releasing their Norman Cavalry set. After over a decade in the doldrums, Foundry got a resurgence. Despite most of their models being older they were still in demand and with a slightly saner price policy they are now a solid presence at every show. They are no longer the giant gorilla they once were, but any presence is better than no presence. Warlord is now a huge producer of historical as well as fantasy and science fiction games and holds several licenses. If you visit your average wargames show you'd hardly suspect that GW is a huge background connecting tissue between various companies and developments in gaming. Many manufacturers and companies were part or grew up to become part of GW. They were sculptors and employees who learned the business and started their own companies.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, some interesting context!
@pISSUMTREE
@pISSUMTREE Жыл бұрын
The 4th edition box was awsome! The high elf spearmen in the box should of had a warning "sharp" label lol. They could draw blood easily !
@EntropicEcho
@EntropicEcho Жыл бұрын
should of?
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Those guys were carrying real blades!
@robodog3571
@robodog3571 Жыл бұрын
another great vid. thanks.
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Lazrael32
@Lazrael32 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into your videos. Every time you say something deserves it's own video is just good news to me! yay more videos!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
There’s so many topics on the list now!
@PotentElectron
@PotentElectron Жыл бұрын
Hey Jordan, brilliant video and series so far. Cant wait to watch more of your documentaries! A piece of feedback for future videos: the highlighting sound is really quite distracting for headphone users as it's effectively white noise of your beautiful voice! Thanks again and keep it up
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Glad you’re enjoying them. Feedback noted on the highlighter, it got a few comments so I’ve left it out of the latest video!
@PotentElectron
@PotentElectron Жыл бұрын
@@jordansorcery thanks man, i noticed the recent upload. I am really looking forward to watching it!
@jebstuart4004
@jebstuart4004 Жыл бұрын
I agree, the box gob/high elves was also my 1st introduction, Great rules but....too clean shiny to me, because i played Warhammer RPG and blood bowl since 1989, so to me, Warhammer died around 1996. Sad.
@EnDungeoned
@EnDungeoned Жыл бұрын
Interesting that mentioned Fantasy Warlord in relation to WH 4th but not Grenadier's Fantasy Warriors, which had a boxed starter set with 2 plastic armies (Orcs and Dwarfs) the year before the WH 4th. Great Video none the less!
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Fair point! I felt Gary Chalk’s view, throughly clearly a very personal one, helped paint the broader picture of the environment GW was in at the time, especially as he was a former creator for the company. That said, Warhammer didn’t develop in a vacuum so perhaps I could have said more!
@EnDungeoned
@EnDungeoned Жыл бұрын
@@jordansorcery Totally agree. I own all 3 games myself (You can probably spot them on the shelves behind me) , but Warhammer got the most play out of them over the years :)
@davidclegg7560
@davidclegg7560 Жыл бұрын
Haha, I'm starting to feel like we're on some weird, shared fantasy arc now. After commenting on your WFB 3rd Edition video to say that I'd just bought a copy of the rules the day before your video dropped, I've just watched this video after getting back from my FLGS. Amongst other things, I'd bought a second hand copy of Fantasy Warlord from them... Right, I'm off to find my old Fighting Fantasy books. 😁
@jordansorcery
@jordansorcery Жыл бұрын
Hope you’ve found your FF books and rolled your skill, stamina, and luck - it’s not long now!
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