Welcome to Tory run England..

Indeed... yet England just voted those Tories back in.. what an incredible act of self harm... lost for words on that one I'm afraid...

@@pnklady3788 the same English voters who pushed for HS1, wanted the bill to go through to bail out banks, for rail and public services to be private, for us to join the EU in the first place, voted camelt instead of bransons virgin for the lottery, was against uber coming to the UK. And now want all those things reversed because they changed their minds.

You can do anything as long as your not from the lower orders "Poor " , they worship, and love money more than people.

I wonder who donates all the millions to charity if the rich are too greedy to give and the poor are too skint to give? I shall have to check my bank balance in case one of the staff have been giving my money away. I knew that new chauffeur looked a bit shifty.

he left grenfell action group and went to grenfell united for more publicity

Articulate? All he does is make lots of "current year" statements and employs faulty logic like "the state was useless! we need to give the state more money and power!" without the common sense realisation that it doesn't actually help. Note however my criticism is of him, not dismissive of the tragedy itself and any shred of corruption or cover up needs rooting out and prosecution.

He comes across like a waffler.

He really is. There is a documentary and the way he speaks about it is amazing.

He is a shill.

Surely, if there was a god, he/she would have put the fire out ?

God thinks differently, he didn it for a reason, a reason we dont know.

@@ad4z294 He should have killed at least one more then. A Grenfell survivor got 18 years in prison last week for multiple rape.

I see it as journaling the experience and having it be known as a public hazard since he predicted that the Council would do nothing about it. He probably did this with the belief that it would be proof as neglect so that the people of Grenfell would be vindicated. Sadly this was not the case.....

@@gorillanotion1024 it was the 'people of Grenfell' that were ALLOWED to leave rubbish on landings. You can hear him say this in the interview. Who was the caretaker? Why did they not take their own rubbish down to the chute room if it was too large for the chute? These piles of rubbish prevented access to the only staircase. If you want to blame a government, this building was opened to residents under a Labour government. Why did they not ask 'Where is the second staircase?' Those that died were all on the floors above the 16th. Was it their OWN rubbish preventing them from getting to the stairs or their neighbours rubbish. Either way, they were tenants and they were responsible to either tell the caretaker or move it themselves. They didn't bother to move it themselves, or the caretaker never did it, if indeed he/she was asked to do so, and now they are all dead. As for the cladding, only ONE person would sign that it was safe. If he or she did, they obviously lied. Who was it? Not the government's fault at all.

Won't happen,scum always floats to the top

@hffp1 I wish the people of Grenfell would stop trying to make it about race,it had NOTHING to do with the colour of their skin but their class.they were put into a flammable building not because they were brown but because they were poor

TheGingerburger Floated right to PM. This tragedy is on Boris’s hands.

Shotgunmad xl Correct it was an accident I don’t think anyone is saying it was done on purpose😕the point is it should never have managed to get so out of control so quickly and these poor innocent families should have been safe but they weren’t and that is the fault of the owners of the flats “the council” they knew the risks and done nothing to prevent this nightmare tragedy😔

They shouldn't wiggle out but they will probably on some legal technocalaty, and will drag on for years with no final conclusion ! .

A G its amazing politicians are silent about how poor people are marginalized they are foul

Mickel Smickle absolutely and you can feel that they blame people for being poor and powerless though they wouldn’t say it out loud

A G the sad thing is i feel powerless 😥 don't know what to do no more we are like lambs to the slaughter seriously with the illusion of free will a democratic values but we voye politicians in to dictate to us

If you all read the leaked Citibank memos a few years back it's clear all us poor are disposable and unwanted. We don't spend enough to interest the filthy rich - have to earn 500 mill a year to be of any value. We're all on our own now - we need to stop letting them divide us and start fighting the bastards.....

We are not powerless, we are the many they are the few, they rule over a media that teaches us helplessness. They try to convince us but it is they who are powerless they fear the population

I think you need to have a grand tour of Grenfell videos until you find a few people that know him personally. Model citizen - nah.

Councils up and down the country are filled with small minded greedy people if you are a lone voice and try to highlight problems and think for other people they target you sometimes with local thugs. They try to evict you if you have a tenancy they don't reply to email and they act criminally towards you. The alternatives is homelessness the stress is intolerable and they gr away with it over and over this is Thatchers legacy deregulate everything and make everything profit motivated. The educated poor are demonised and their types of work were reduced from the 90s onwards deliberately so. They prefer newcomers to the country as they will not challenge the status quo politically or socially as they don't know what the legacy is so it is another use of them to undermine decent community minded locals who are switched on to gerrymandering, preventing people from accessing social housing in the towns they were born in. Splitting up generations of families gentrification and forcing locals out for corporations or as in Kensington to change the demograph. Deregulation of building ode, fire safety budgets. Rich land owning aristocrats many of who have I inherited historically stolen land from the commons and enclosures act and the Clearances, who were part of the profiteering of empire in all it's vile incarnations ... Who play god with who gets access to a home they can afford when the economy is skewed. They avoid inheritance tax as billionaires you get penalised if left more than six thousand pounds when your parents meet an untimely death yet you can't get the job you trained for , volunteered for years to middle-class charlatans who got grants to employ you but dont pass on the wage. It is a mafia state run by criminals with silver spoons.

after 6 years, did his words work? no. they're waiting for the next fire...

London is one of the most expensive cities in the Western world, and you think the council there should just dole out houses to people?? It's not as easy as you make it sound...

So how far will people be expected to commute to clean toilets and offices? How fat will nurses have to travel to work? There needs to be a mix of people in any big city as some of the most poorly paid jobs are essential.

House prices are so artificially high that forginers buy them up and leave them empty to sell on. The prices are nothing to do with need and council housing used to pick up the slack for low paid workers. You can’t pay cleaners and nurses the money they’d need to rent or buy there. If you lived in England you would walk past the hoards of homeless people and see we need cheap, state housing, the market isn’t working how it should.

Yea Caoimhin, the job of clearing the poor out of London is being accomplished, why let them back in? If we start treating them as equal human beings they'll be no end to their demands for respect and equal treatment and you know what will happen if we allow that, house prices will start to fall! It really is to dreadful to contemplate. _" you think the council there should just dole out houses to people?"_ yes they are responsible for killing them and burning them out of there homes, you miserable excuse for a human.

Thanks!

Get used to it its ENDEMIC in the UK i'd call it the British disease..... look back, how many times in history has this happened and we've just moved on and said "lessons will be learned" and they NEVER ARE. you need to change the entire system root and branch..... its the only way you will stop it.

This guy is a actress . grenfell is just a TV show

I burnt my toast, my dear Mycroft.

Also, why is Gary Numan being interviewed about this topic?

And you're just a dumbass and for men the word ISN'T actress. it's ACTORS can you be any more stupid?!

that is murder

"This man" was photographed in the street. He isn't dirty, even after running down 15 flights of stairs in 'acrid smoke". He's partly wrapped in a bright blue blanket. The blanket has no smoke marks on it . He is standing by a spotless bright red car with no ash at all on it. There is no fire debris or ash on the ground. A man in the background smiles as he looks on, in a spotless white shirt and jeans. Two women are walking by on the other side of the spotless car. paying no attention to the burning building, the' crowds' or fire engines. This man is allegedly rich. by inheritance, but chooses to live in a shitty tower block where he is a 'bit of a noise' amongst the tenants. He is said to often be arguing with the council and can get bad tempered if things don't go his way. But on youtube, to the adoring masses, he's a hero. For what? He ran down 15 flights, saw only two people on the stairs, and saved nobody. OOh... but he did write a blog.. Ffs.

@@johnbird7357 Can you direct me to that photograph? Where did you find all this information about this man? And, in any case, does that make any better or less of a tragedy the loss of life and the trauma of those who lost everything in that fire, which scale and proportions has been proved that could have been avoided?

@Rafael H. Pérez - Have you got a Facebook account? I can PM you the photo.

@@RafaelHPerez Well?

Yes it was. The flat owner neglected to own a normal everyday fire extinguisher and he is to blame for 72 deaths. He ran for it instead.

@@johnbird7357 But still you want to call this guy an an . . . hole. That makes you guilty.

Of what?

The fire could have broken out anywhere / anytime in those flats, and may have not been controlled by a fire extinguisher. The people to blame are those that were saving money, by not putting special fire alarms in the buildings, and putting illegal cladding around the tower block .. end of...

Have you read all the reports of his flat? .Have you read the tenants three police interviews? Have you read how "small" the fire was in his kitchen, as reported by his neighbour? Have you read what fire fighters reported? Did you take any notice of the man in the video reporting on his blog that rubbish was ALLOWED to be put in piles on the landings, including mattresses? What does...end of... mean? I was educated in English.

Ha,ha,ha....oh wait your serious. Nobody is going to get charged or held accountable. The Deep State protects its own.

@@jameretief8327 It's not "the deep state." Good lord. Are you in Q anon? It's rich/powerful people protecting rich/powerful people.

the govt and builders, everyone, they are all complicit in approving this trade and use of materials. its all about the money and profit,

@@jennifermarie3158 that's what the deep state is you brainlet.

Government as they were told not to use this note than 6 floors. The fact is in any building if you are advice the 6th floor during a fire your ability to get out alive diminishes greatly.

@ Rob Jones - 'lost everything' - I've not yet heard of one tenant who had home insurance. Is that the governments fault?

@@arfnore The latter.

it's time for economics as if people matter

@@johnbird7357 Look here , you keep prattling on about how people should always pay their premiums but how did that benefit you in the end except for 3 dead tropical fish?

@@factorylad5071 Ihave no idea what you mean, Are you on drugs?

Not specifically for grenfell as its cladding was only approved in 2015

@@Matt_10203 true, but the documentary goes into detail that the cladding to paper over poor construction of these industrially constructed towers in the first place, and raises how adding material on the outside is an obvious fire risk.

Your talking none sense

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ec5lidKj3tPNfGg.html watch from 45:28. Those flats he's standing in front of warning of the danger of fire are in Glasgow, i was there when they were being clad. Tenants were annoyed because they were having to keep their steel windows.. at a meeting out clerk of works said they had to be kept as pvc could melt and allow fire to enter the flat above one on fire. And that they were using corrugated steel as cladding because it was fireproof . This was in 1982. So the effects of flammable cladding and windows were known then

How did you know?

@@EmyN because he watched the video?

That's not true. There are tons of private landlords keeping poorer Londoners in slum conditions. There are stories of people living with cockroaches or mold. Landlords have been evicting tenants to turn rented accommodation into more profitable emergency accommodation. This vile treatment towards tenants is by no means restricted to London. It's happening elsewhere in the UK too. But what makes this situation special here is that Grenfell Tower and Notting Dale are right next door to Notting Hill. This is the very area where Peter Rachman exploited thousands of poor people and turned good houses into slums. Now people want to exploit the area again, by using social cleansing to boot out people like Eddie Daffarn and his neighbours, so that the area can be handed over to redevelopers who will want to charge people a million pounds to live there. Eddie Daffarn was someone stopping this plan for private corporations to make millions out of the Grenfell Estate. Why were so many people eager to avoid doing their public duty? Were they being bribed?

@@DavidShepheard you wrote a whole essay for no reason. What he meant was that because the council is with the govt they cannot be prosectued or held at

So no chance of a prosacution ! .

A whole essay? In just 8 sentences. I bet you did well in English exams at school.

@@johnbird7357 no one means a actual essay...* i bet you're fun at parties*

And yet, the Tories had a landslide victory. Do they care? No

Agree.

That’s because misguided people keep voting for them. Of course they’re going to get in all the time. People moan about the tories, yet then they win another election because people secretly vote for them!!

@@mrkipling2201 and some people don't vote at all.

@@cruxmind which is even worse.

@Phil Sophia - according to the video you are commenting on. Mr Darfan ran down 16 flights of the only staircase, and all he saw was two people.

@Martin - it has also been said that the staircase was narrow. Even If he couldn't see he would have fallen over dead bodies that were "piled on the stairs" in original reports.

Because The Fire Service were not to know they were sheltering behind plastic fire doors.

Never, never, never ever stay put when a fire breaks out + a ship's sinking for example. I would think about if there's a risk if I stay put & if there's one I would run out of the building even when a fire is small or only in one apartment. In a shooting f.e., the ,,danger" is to be catched that's why in that case it's better to stay put if your risk of escaping's higher.

The firefighters are partly responsible there

I would have yelled back, THIS IS MY HOME! And watch them stfu because how dare they!

Actually most onlookers were shouting instructions to the police to help the people who were desperately asking to be rescued everybody was distraught and felt helpless I saw it live on TV people we relaying flat and floor numbers to the emergency services in vain due to the folk in charge and police flapping about like headless chickens initially . It took ages before someone took charge on the ground from LFB and they weren't the most senior they went against the protocol and sent guys in to try and get people out but it was already such a terrible inferno

The instructions to stay put in the flats should have been scrapped immediately

2 years later...

Cmon Fred let's make another cup of tea.

They did in Australia, we had some issues too with fires. Sad isn't it.

@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing Same in Germany, there was a dangerous building in Dortmund & everyone has to go out & search another home until it's fixed.

@@TheEarthHistorysConfusing laws have tightened up a bit, but the cladding remains on 10`s of thousands of buildings. Polyethylene cladding, and now polyurethane (fake concrete facades) line many buildings. goes up in minutes.

Well well well.... Your comment about the fire brigade taking the fall for what is clearly a fat cat cover up has truly come to fruition

Hmmm 1986? Abolition of The Greater London Education Authority and goodbye toKen Livingstone' .In comes The Greater London Enterprise Board and the The HSE ,Cherie Blair makes human rights solicitors become a thing.....and you say they had plastic fire doors?

I was watching the Grenfell Enquiry and the witness today said it started in 1984 when the architect or engineer responsible for each project was in many projects replaced with 'design and build' - the contract makes the project into a profit- making commodity : and instead of firm building control of projects the builder became a "client". The Governments /politicians who deregulated and privatised building control need to be on trial , not just their dogsbodies in the government offices.

Wow well said we need new nonprofit leaders we mice together will ROAR are you a leader? buzz #BUZZOFFTOXIC

@@buzzofftoxicblog791 can you keep away from that caps key please?

​@@factorylad5071 got me thinking thank you, funny my wife said just the same thing turn off the cap lock! Bluesbird like your you tube music channel music is a big part in a green non toxic future. i have been dogged by 2 things dyslexia and seeing our earth being slowly destroyed by very cleaver people, and i am powerless to stop it 😢🌍💀 we develop veary cleaver systems serving a few with no regard for consequenses war to grenfell tower to burning toxic fossil fuel. our mother earth is in a toxic mess through our doing we are all witnessing mass extinction. because of our activity, i have wintnest clean technology shelved beouse of toxic greed we could have 30 years ago gone to go zero waste green economy but have not we should have all stopped burning toxic fossil fuel 40 years ago but last year burnt more than ever. london should be a green clean fair city it is dirty corrupt mess for the few we have the skills we have the global technology just some times i get PISSOFF😪 sorry, with the mental ago of a 11 year old i revert to caps on somehow i think it my help and it did you have got me thinking 😊💚🌍 I have small sail ship use of a small Island a dream 300f Pyramid stage 24 tv 1 Home Earth Global non profit leadership program. We all have the clean technolgy we just need to dich the toxic 1% globle leadership should be easy🌍⏳ thank you all the best Buzz Knapp-Fisher #buzzofftoxic #ClimateChange #GrenfellTower CAPS ON 😍

@@buzzofftoxicblog791 ok I will let you off then.keep your eye on my channel then , I have some good stuff in the pipeline and it will all be free PEACE.

HE WILL BE MARGINALISED BY SOME CAMBRIDGE OXFORD SOLICITOR ON £1k an hour! #buzzofftoxic time for new non profit leadership

@@buzzofftoxicblog791 Hmm yes that is a bit thought provoking. I guess it will boil down to who are Leigh Day going to act for and who will pay them.

He’s white so that means people might sympathize with his pain.

@@nostalgia545 tis true and he seems more middle class which I guess wins more credibility in society

I took have those sorts of premonitions

Are you productively employed?

Ladynipchick2 yet you wrote "and am quite highly" i dont believe you.

@@alexhayden2303 what does "productively" employed mean please?

@@factorylad5071 Prolly he means to ask if her main income isn't benefits 🤔 @Anyone pls correct me if I'm wrong 😁

@GlassHalfEmpty 😎

@Anil Löeb I bet they are not. If anybody does, pne person wil take the fall, the person who signed it as safe.

@hffp1 'These mass fires' - name me a dozen

God will hold them accountable do not worry

Susan I hope what you say does not become a self fulfilling prophecy. The seeds that sewed this tragedy were laid down by Blair and Thatcher That created megaliths like The HSE and swept The 1839 Factories Act under the carpet and took trades unionism away from working people imho.

I'm sad that they throw all the responsibility to firefighters... why they always have to bear the consequences of the greedy people...

No it doesn't, there are enough idiots in the world

@@johnbird7357 You're one of them you fucking dimwit

Liquid Audio he’s “in all probability” the only one in the whole building that can speak English,! The whole place was infested with illegals,!!

@@douglascollett7775 So you think a man that lives in a building that in his own words is a death trap, is intelligent? I bet you voted Labour.

@@johnbird7357 WE ARE ALL IDIOTS BUT SOME ARE IN POWER TOXIC AND GREEDY

THANK YOU 💚buzz #buzzofftoxic

Why did you scream

@@EmyN I was scarred about what had just happened

@@EmyN why are asking such an obnoxious question?

*incident

Answer , yes it could because previous surges in the power line could have damaged the fridges safety protection devices. This points to the landlords ignorance in being unable to see the building as a system where such things as sprinkler systems and power lines had to be maintained and kept in good working order.

If he, and others. "lost everything" why didn't they have home insurance?

Too much decay in the system.

Sadly it's the same the whole world over. If you have money then you have power and influence and you matter more. We poor folks remain poor and powerless and no one hears us or cares enough to effect change simply because we are poor and therefore don't matter.

@@derrickguffey4775 Yes Derrick, you're right. I feel it's so important to stay open to the potential for that to change though. Us good ordinary folk outnumber the tyrants by thousands to one. And they know it which is why they're careful... If enough people see through their game though, it's game over for them...

It was like £2000 to rent a flat in Grenfell so I wouldn’t consider any of the residents poor. The tower was build in the 19th century and looked old. They needed a new look to keep up with the generation we live in now. They don’t care about lives. If the people who owned Grenfell cared about any of its residents then why would they put cladding on knowing fully well what could happen. They did it for their pride.

Poor!! No way this man has millions in the bank from inheritance, he lives there through choice in a life time tenancy. Don't let the professional activist front wash.

@@Corkedit Evidence?

@@crangonvulgaris9820 He knows him personally. What do you expect him to do, send you a copy of his bank statement?

@@johnbird7357 Any evidence.

What does your next door neighbour do for a living If you know, show me the evidence.

How would YOU implement a safe evacuation plan, with only one staircase in the building? I've lived in two tower blocks and both had two staircases. One either side of the building as it is against sensible fire regulations to use lifts when alarms go off. The difference between my blocks and Grenfell was that we took our large items of rubbish down to the chute room, not left them on the landings blocking the only flight of stairs, as they did in Grenfell. Bad building management and lazy tenants are not a good mix. Where was the caretaker? The man in the video says himself that tenants were ALLOWED to store rubbish on landings. Being allowed implies that they asked. Who did they ask? Whoever it was, they got no replies. Instead of taking responsibility and moving THEIR OWN RUBBISH to the ground floor chute room. they left it on the landings.

AGREE THEY CAN PAY #BUZZOFFTOXIC

all the money go on islamic immigrants. much more than on royal weddings

SAD BUT TRUE NEW NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP TRUTH? #BUZZOFFTOXIC

The cladding was supplied from France and met EU safety standards.

Well said, Chipoftheundead.

Well you're no different then them, except they are joking and you're being an asshole

the people who are at the top are safe #buzzofftoxic

The HSE is a scandal ous organisation but it will be concealed by nepotism.

The Royals earn the economy more than it takes.

Conservative government.

@valley boy And you believe them?

Can you disprove it.... with evidence?

@@johnbird7357 Proof of future events can not exist, apply probability functions to past data for predictions.

Not the same people who piled their rubbish, including soiled mattresses, on the only set of stairs, and blocked doorways with it.

@i. rob Yes it was reported by firemen, as well as him saying it in the film.

PEOPLE IN POWER ? #BUZZOFFTOXIC TIME FOR NEW NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP

The BRE certified it as being safe.

The residents were responsible for building upgrades. It's deeper then what's been said. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ob6DhZB7yZiZdKc.html

dont worry we re-elected another posh boy

Don’t you mean your labour council,!?

@@davidskeeterskeeter1835 no the tories have all the eton boys

I am ashamed of the UK government, but I love the people.

AGREE MY HOLE LIFE I SEEN THE CARTEL IN POWER TIME TO STOP IT #BUZZOFFTOXIC

Mohamed-Zain Dada hes a liar

don't think so mate..

JOANNA I know so., thats what smoking excessive weed and reading your own properganda.

come on now theres no need to be that way..I don't smoke full stop, and I don't make a habit of being sucked in by propaganda..to get back to the real issue here it was a horrific and tragic experience..this poor fella speaking obviously has PTSD. lets be pleasant and peaceful.

JOANNA this directed at Deffarn not yourself. I have full respect for those that does and those around the estate and area that also have respect for all involved. This guy has lied and twisted almost everything he has been involved in for years to suit his social injustice campaign, many resident feared his campaign and have been threatened and scared to speak up. Ask him about such things as the Complaint he took for he ombusman for bullying and harrasment then lost and shouted it was a fix. How many times he has abused officers at meetings verbally because he didn't hear what he wanted. There is so much more to this guy than the portrait you see on this constructed interview. PTSS has affected so many here and many from all groups organisations involved and most not acknowledged.

Michael Brotherton do you know of any sources of independent investigation into this event? I get the feeling there will be another cover up here.

No, I don't, I am concerned this is going to turn out to be like Hillsborough. I listened to the Q.C's deliberation today and object to his accusation that the fire brigade was in error of having a stay in the flat policy. This has been the rule in all high rise buildings to my knowledge for 40 years. This has been their ingrained training How were they to know some idiot, nay criminal had not put in adequate fire stopping and was probably the same criminal who moved the window outward creating a space (chimney) for flames to roar up and also not fire sealing around the windows. Fire doors is another question the whole thing is a shambles leave the Fire Brigade alone and expose the real crooks it makes my blood boil. M Brotherton

Than you for your lesson on how this SHOULD be done.

The real crooks must be The HSE according to your logic.

Currently no cladding of that type can pass the specification.

It's not just the cladding and rain screen. The refurbishment designed away compartmentalisation. The main component in keeping residents safe. They took a safe place to live and turned it into a death trap.

The Criticiser I also thought the flats were recently refurbished I think they installed gas if so they must have made holes between the concrete floors . If so was the internal integrity of the fire breaks comprised an did this add to speed of the fire.

@@martinmessiah7130 not to any significant extent.

That all depends on who is specifying. This was specified by The Agrment (Brussels) not The BSI.

I'm sure Building regs have not permitted anything that can "hold a flame" since 1995. Previous to that we where sticking flammable Polystyrene on walls and ceilings. The next rule involved Firebreaks. Above any window on a multi floored building a complete break in any material that can spread a flame is installed, it's been compressed Glasswool for ever. It's height is measured to cover flame travel and stop it travelling to the floor above. This system has to be covered with a none flammable coat or panel, not a cavity and a flammable panel. I couldn't see how the Grenfell system passed anything and then noted the links in the chain, years ago it would be the Council and the Contractor. The Council would send their Clerk of Works on a course to see how the Insulation should be fitted and made, and he'd have followed the rules religiously for it's fitment, to the exact wording. Contractors only fit the material, they can voice concerns but get ignored or sacked and Blacklisted, I've been in the situation, luckily a visiting Fire officer stopped the job and demanded a material change. We don't see Fire Officers or Clerks on jobs anymore. Thatchers " we must peel back the State " has left us under the control of business, they provide their own pseudo Fire Officer that they keep in their back pocket. Fridge manufacturers use the same method. If Fridge manufacturers where under the scrutiny of the old Government consumer board, Grenfell wouldn't have happened no matter what panel was fitted. The Government consumer action section was told it wasn't needed, Government would implement laws and rules, Companies would Audit themselves, get an ISO Qualification or blah, blah, blah, and all would be happy. Management companies are not experts in Cladding, only experts in Spreadsheets. Letting Construction Audit itself was first tested when they constructed these blocks and some where demolished shortly after being built with missing bolts and inferior concrete. As a note to your list to blame, we need to take back control, but voting forms only contain people that they allow to get on there. Without a box that says "none of the above" we are stuck with their choice, bar a revolution, which I've been expecting or hoping for since 73.

spex357 Great reply and I do agree with you. I'm not in the trade but I've spoken to those who are and looked at the regs with them and the accompanying document B and they are very confusing - one part negates the other - on what is allowed. This is why I think the council and contractors will argue the cladding and insulation was allowed and the government will argue it wasn't - both trying to protect themselves

Indeed and made worse with the extra links in the chain inserted on purpose to hide responsibility. I'm sure CDM regs have fire as the first consideration when you start a new project. In behind all this is the Industry that would have cladded and rendered it, and a fridge fire on the fourth wouldn't have been a problem and at worse a local paper item. Previous Government ECO, Green, Renewable Grant systems, allowed the industry to become corrupted overnight. System specifications where ignored, control was minimal or corrupt, and local housing got sick of the poor quality that they really didn't want to pay for. The law says they have to Insulate housing, especially Solid Wall, so they looked elsewhere and found Rain-screen Cladding, and here we are with death everywhere and I'm not surprised but never as shocked as I was at 01:10 am on that morning.

spex357 Agreed. I think the judge of the enquiry will be quite good at unravelling the building regs and guidance and the chain of contractors and apportioning responsibility reasonably well (his background is in similar sort of stuff). What I suspect and fear is that he won't really tackle us the government's equal responsibility in causing the fire to happen.

Letting fridge manufacturers Audit themselves has helped hide the fact that most will kill you if on fire and quite a few take place yearly. Peeling back the State has left us at the mercy of business, right across the board. I heard Corbyn say he was going to put a stop to Thatchers Ideology but I haven't heard him mention it again, one of his backers probably had a word with him. Who is the judge, seeing as they have allowed people to talk about their feelings how come the mothers of Iraq weren't invited over for the Chilcot enquiry, we might have seen Blair in jail.

Ok I will kick it off then. Diane Abbott has relatives in The HSE.

Sue Fuller lol XD

Shrimpy Gaming in a paralell universe?

I think not everyone would move in it because they know that many died in this plot of land.

@Dark Horse Ridiculous conspiracy theory.

@@psymoon68 disagree what he says (constructively) is true.

Raghav Madan I live in England, and I am ashamed to say that the money that could be spent on helping rehouse the victims was wasted on a stupid royal wedding

Aspie tech girl 1990 se have politicians here in India in that form. Just made for promises and no actual work and criticizing other political parties.

I'm in the US, not the UK, but I was very shocked and disappointed too. I've always thought England, and many other similar nations. were much more trustworthy and cared more for their citizens than our government in the US does. This was a tragedy and it truly was shocking and disappointing. My rose colored glasses, so to speak, regarding the UK are gone for good.

Like America, we sell the rest of the world a illusion of what it's like the for the poor here.

Raghav Madan What injustice?

So clever that he prefers to live in a block that he said WOULD catch fire?

Sad but true.

@Play Google oh ok. Thank you for explaining.

Britain first.

Yes but all sorts of other regulations also that were there to defend people's rights to safety . Think about that the next time you get on a 4 lane motorway.

@@factorylad5071 Too true. I know they have removed the hard shoulder safety lane from some motorways. Thankfully I don't drive and haven't been on a motorway for a long time. It's amazing how they slyly slip their relaxation of safety measures through. Maybe because the impact isn't immediate and they foster an anti health and safety culture, that's why people don't protest more about it.

@@heliotropezzz333 ya know.

YES PEOPLE NOT SYSTEMS #BUZZOFFTOXIC

Articulate people can lie as well

@@johnbird7357 parrots can be articulate.

No he is not. He changed nothing.

Rosie Hogsflesh Bayerl from here he is a liar and social activist hater

With his hooked nose, beady eyes and his "high iq"... ;)

Thats the weed he smokes coming through

@@shrimpy8188 Go on then tell us , what is your IQ we're all dying to hear lol.

Dig deeper and you will see the what what he says isn't worth the time he spends saying it

Even the 14 convicted (so far) who have claimed £1m fraudulently because they'lost everything' when they lived there?

AGREE #BUZZOFFTOXIC

@@johnbird7357 screw you.

There are no ladders in any UK Fire Brigade that could have reached the top floors. 30 feet is about their maximum.

There is corruption everywhere , in The HSE and even The NHS.

Trust me

What about the Hillsborough families? Have they been vindicated? Think about it.