The Man Who Ruined Harry Potter | Video Essay

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4 жыл бұрын

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Harry Potter is a beloved multi million dollar franchise helmed by four directors: first by Chris Columbus (Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets), Alfonso Cuaron (Prisoner of Azkaban), Mike Newell (Goblet of Fire) and finally by David Yates (Order of the Phoenix, Half-Blood Prince, Deathly Hallows). David Yates who was responsible for four films was mediocre at best and ruined the overall experience. In today's video we shall take a look... how.
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Harry Potter is a film series based on the eponymous novels by J. K. Rowling. The series is distributed by Warner Bros. and consists of eight fantasy films, beginning with Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001) and culminating with Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 (2011). A spin-off prequel series that will consist of five films started with Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (2016), marking the beginning of the Wizarding World shared media franchise.
The series was mainly produced by David Heyman, and stars Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint, and Emma Watson as the three leading characters: Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, and Hermione Granger. Four directors worked on the series: Chris Columbus, Alfonso Cuarón, Mike Newell, and David Yates. Michael Goldenberg wrote the screenplay for Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007), while the remaining films' screenplays were written by Steve Kloves. Production took place over ten years, with the main story arc following Harry's quest to overcome his arch-enemy Lord Voldemort.

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@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching! PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING --> 1. I am not a "fan" of Mike Newell, I just think he is a better director than Yates 2. This video is my *personal* opinion. If you disagree, that is totally fine since we all have different tastes kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5uXfd2lxJ7Tj40.html
@paulwoodford1984
@paulwoodford1984 Жыл бұрын
Do you fancy Alfonso? 😏
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
@@paulwoodford1984 N-no, why do you say that? *nervously hides Alfonso fan poster*
@paulwoodford1984
@paulwoodford1984 Жыл бұрын
@@Arttective 😂 Go and proudly put it back on your shrine to him.
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
@@paulwoodford1984 ABSOLUTELY
@Screecher_says_stuff
@Screecher_says_stuff Жыл бұрын
@Manzoor Roome what
@anonyme4881
@anonyme4881 Жыл бұрын
What make the most impact with Colombus is how the castle is a character. The whole castle feel alive
@TheFranchiseCA
@TheFranchiseCA Жыл бұрын
Columbus isn't a great director, but he managed the child actors reasonably well, you can't tell they struggle to remember their lines to the point they genuinely cannot regularly do more than one or two in a take. And he understands the core sense early on is wonder. His two movies maintain a sense of creativity and exploration of a new world.
@patriciaalvareztostado8170
@patriciaalvareztostado8170 Жыл бұрын
I think is was easier in the first to movies, we couldnt know how he would move to the more dark part of HP; for me the big problem in the last 3 movies, 6z book and 7 book is more the writing, they fail in a lot of parts, miss important things, make Ginny look the more dule charcter in the movies, and trying to make HP and Hermaionie the end,
@lissandrafreljord7913
@lissandrafreljord7913 5 ай бұрын
Chris Colombus was good for the first 2 films, where Harry, Hermione, and Ron's characters were still kids. The vibe of these two films felt like a family friendly Christmas movie, much like other of Colombus' work like Home Alone and Mrs. Doubtfire. Eventually, the movie needed to mature, as the characters get more angsty and teenage-like, and the story gets darker and more serious. Alfonso Cuaron did a great job setting that dark atmosphere in Prisoner of Azkaban. But by far the worst director of all the Harry Potter franchise was Mike Newell. Yates was alright.
@diabloakland
@diabloakland 4 ай бұрын
@@TheFranchiseCA id argue he’s a great director when involved in children’s stories. He does well.
@HordrissTheConfuser
@HordrissTheConfuser 4 ай бұрын
That, and his use of character movement through the frame. One the story gets going, Harry Potter is nearly always moving forward, whether being guided, forced, or under his own power.
@erosion271
@erosion271 3 жыл бұрын
I hate how for David Yates character emotion is achieved through having his actors awkwardly stare at each other for a few seconds. Harry and Ginny especially. All they did was stare!
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@hariseldon02
@hariseldon02 3 жыл бұрын
Also, "shoelace"
@joshheralal8758
@joshheralal8758 3 жыл бұрын
@@hariseldon02 Oh god not shoelace.
@chrisb6943
@chrisb6943 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed 👍 👍 👍 👍
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
haha. love the shoelace ;)
@culbycove4963
@culbycove4963 Жыл бұрын
Alfonso Cuaron had by far, in my opinion, the BEST cinematography of the series. Columbus did great filming all the best moments using the three camera setup of to compensate for the actors’ inexperience, but Azkaban’s camera has a life of its own, it feels like we’re being taken through the experience vs just watching it.
@eugenio1203
@eugenio1203 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you! There’s a video from a Spanish KZfaqr, Scarlew Harzac, called Harry Potter y los movimientos de cámara, if you know Spanish you must watch it, it’s a fantastic analysis of the film, if you don’t, I’m sure it must have subtitles
@SammEater
@SammEater Жыл бұрын
Seriously, those shots of the bird going through the school or when the camera 'enters the mirror' in that one scene with the class learning the Ridiculous spell is pretty cool, there is nothing like that in the other movies.
@ct6852
@ct6852 Жыл бұрын
Azkaban was the best standalone movie in the franchise. Or the best made. Whether he would've been best for the overall arc, I'm not sure. But that movie is magical and weird and great.
@theredstonebuilder1120
@theredstonebuilder1120 Жыл бұрын
Watching it, I could see the parallels in direction between Azkaban and his other movie Gravity from 2013. Like when hermione is swung by the whomping willow, looks similar to the space shuttle destruction. And the vastness of the landscape similar to that of earth in gravity. Great cinematography
@eddielong8663
@eddielong8663 Жыл бұрын
I must be in the minority here. I absolutely hated the hyper-stylised direction of PoA. It was such a jarring change of filmmaking from Columbus's direction and it didn't sit well with me at all. Didn't think much of Newell's GoF either but it wasn't quite as bad as the 3rd film. Yates was indeed a poor substitute for Columbus's straight-forward approach, but it was better him than the other two.
@123Heitor321
@123Heitor321 Жыл бұрын
The thing I most hate about Yates films are the change on color pallet/mood in general. We got a Matilda kind of vibe with vibrant colors and adventuring score on the first movies, then Yates moved to a Twilight mood of green colors and teenage drama.
@bcortens
@bcortens Жыл бұрын
Yes! The way hogwarts was drained of all colour really bothered me as the series went on. It seems so lifeless when compared to movies 1 and 2 which have always been my favourite as adaptations.
@Veloziraptor111
@Veloziraptor111 Жыл бұрын
I feel like that worked for the Half-Blood Prince, because that's the year Harry spends grieving for the closest thing he had to a parent. It feels almost as though the colors of the world directly reflect Harry's emotional state. For the other movies, not so much. Although Hallows spent so much time outside Hogwarts, the change in pallet arguably didn't matter.
@TheRealBillix
@TheRealBillix Жыл бұрын
Hogwarts shouldnt have much color anyways
@nazrulhaque5986
@nazrulhaque5986 Жыл бұрын
I think the story required it get a bit darker
@123Heitor321
@123Heitor321 Жыл бұрын
@@nazrulhaque5986 In my opinion there's a difference between making things a little bit darker and putting a color filter from the Twilight Saga.
@lost4tseas
@lost4tseas Жыл бұрын
I wish I lived in an alternate universe where Cuarón did all the movies after the third one. As a kid I always loved the third one and I had no idea what made it stand out to me but growing up I soon realized it was all about director’s vision. I could literally rewatch the third one constantly and I probably would never get sick of it.
@tomasbrozek3026
@tomasbrozek3026 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. That was the film that made me in love with cinema. I rewatched that movie so many times as a child and always noticed something new about it.
@Chasling_
@Chasling_ Жыл бұрын
It's such a good movie. One of the best books, and the best movie.
@emaosmanbasic6882
@emaosmanbasic6882 Жыл бұрын
Sure visually it looked good, I like that it got darker, the dementors were awesome and Harry had the best hair style in this one but I honestly didn't like the changes made to Hogwarts, the landscape and characters. Also this was the movie that started not explaining certain plots. I remember every time I finished the film I had to ask my sister to explain how Sirius escaped and why he came to Hogwarts now (since I didn't start reading the books till movie 5 was out).
@francisraud
@francisraud Жыл бұрын
Its not just by far the technically best of the installments, it’s also structured with a vision and an intelligence - both emotional and physical - that exceeds even what you can possibly comprehend. Some correctly say it’s an experience, something you are put through and it vastly improves the material that was written for it. Directors often direct what they are given, and hardly write. Some get trapped in those boundaries, some break right through. Cuaron shaped what hogwarts not only looked but also felt like, from then on. Take the recent vgame, it’s exactly that castle, with some parts expanded but it’s all there. Same goes for hogsmeade and the tone overall. That sense of magic that is both colorful and gritty at times, light and dark, everything. And the music… John Williams gave his best entry of the three he scored with this one. You feel the fun he had, the might, the power, the freedom, the rage at times. You experience how deeply he felt immersed into this vision. And if a composer, even a giant of his kind pulls out all this it’s because the director worked well with him setting and explaining the tone in depth, the rest is magic. Sometimes composers exceed what directors ask and detail and sometimes they underperform. This was a perfect synch, despite some many thing getting written out of the script. A masterpiece that can perfectly stand alone, doesn’t need the other films to be understood. Pity they didn’t go on with him. With both.
@Beautifullytragic6
@Beautifullytragic6 Жыл бұрын
YES.
@Sadoodi
@Sadoodi Жыл бұрын
You nailed it! The man had no idea how to direct people. Every interaction felt awkward. He also made Ginny the most plain character in the movie series
@bryanthealien6734
@bryanthealien6734 Жыл бұрын
Right?!
@Seattletyy93
@Seattletyy93 8 ай бұрын
There was no savings Ginnys movie adaptation after her awkward scenes in his movies. Such a damn shame since she was one of my favorite characters from the book.
@hjer731
@hjer731 8 ай бұрын
The last scene between Harry and Hagrid was so disappointing in DH2. They barely said anything. Zero emotional register
@jakelover1731
@jakelover1731 4 ай бұрын
Ehh, Radcliffe had his biggest quality jump from Goblet to Order. That's at least partly down to direction. Yates also reeled Dumbledore back in from the weird thing Newell was doing to him.
@GabrielPassarelliG
@GabrielPassarelliG 4 ай бұрын
And the reason we find in the internet for WB to hire him was his previous success in another TV drama series directing teenagers in difficult emotion scenarios. How come that reason turns itself into 4 horribly acted and blocked movies?
@obijaykenobi90
@obijaykenobi90 Жыл бұрын
I’d have loved to see what Cuaron could have done if he’d directed the two final films
@toothless9081
@toothless9081 Жыл бұрын
Omg yes
@iancuneo1820
@iancuneo1820 Жыл бұрын
The scene with Harry and lupin in prisoner on the bridge with Windows to the past playing in the background is so amazing and one of it not my favorite scenes in any hp movie
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 4 ай бұрын
DH would have been one movie and it and Hbp would both be 130 minutes long.
@thedrunkweddingphotographer
@thedrunkweddingphotographer 4 ай бұрын
100000000000%
@juhuu13579
@juhuu13579 Жыл бұрын
It’s not bad filmmaking that makes people angry, I think it’s the feeling of lost potential. The grief that you feel watching something that could have been great, but is instead decent at best
@LoneWolfDion
@LoneWolfDion Жыл бұрын
lost potential equates to bad film making surely?
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 5 ай бұрын
agree@@LoneWolfDion
@jakubswatowski1007
@jakubswatowski1007 4 ай бұрын
thats why im a little excited about the series. i know we dont really need it but they might make justice to the 4-7 books
@nahor88
@nahor88 4 ай бұрын
I honestly feel with any film franchise of a popular series, you NEED superfans of the material in a position of power. The LOTR movies benefitted greatly from Christopher Lee being a huge fan of Tolkien. We already saw how Star Wars suffered when George Lucas stepped down, and how much better the quality became when Dave Filoni began taking the helm.
@StefanWinchester
@StefanWinchester 2 ай бұрын
Like the star wars sequals
@MaxtothePower
@MaxtothePower 2 жыл бұрын
Another disappointing aspect of the franchise is the music. How Doyle, Hooper, and Desplat ignored ALL of Williams' work was really insulting. Imagine if Fawkes' theme reappeared when he leaves Hogwarts in Half-Blood Prince. Or if A Window to the Past was used during the resurrection stone scene. For me, musical continuity is just as important as the script and acting. It's another way to connect with the characters.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. They also used a lot of temp music.
@StevenOBrien
@StevenOBrien Жыл бұрын
@@Arttective One thing that specifically annoyed me was in the Prisoner of Azkaban, when Marge was blown up and floating out of the window, the score is a bad rip-off of a famous piece of classical music that was obviously used as the temp track. Why on earth, when you have JOHN WILLIAMS on your team, would you make him rearrange that instead of just letting him use his own themes that he's established over the previous two films?
@basketskate1247
@basketskate1247 Жыл бұрын
MUSICAL CONTINUITY , perfect! that's in part what I missed the most. Thank you for your comment, not often do I encounter people with this view.
@gromusodus1949
@gromusodus1949 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree. However, I have to say that Doyle's new themes really hit it out of the park
@jr1648
@jr1648 Жыл бұрын
@@StevenOBrienwhich piece did he quote?
@wintergirll
@wintergirll 3 жыл бұрын
I never realised how much david yates pissed me off until this.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry. There are million others like us that share the frustration!
@HigherQualityUploads
@HigherQualityUploads Жыл бұрын
Yates seems to _really_ like group shots. Getting as many actors in the shot as possible. Once you realize this you can't unsee it!
@vikingdragon7100
@vikingdragon7100 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was appropriate in Order of the Phoenix. One (Harry) vs many people was a recurring visual motif to reinforce Harry's isolation. Take a look at the scene on the bridge when he tells his friends he will go to save Sirius himself; he literally walks into his own isolated frame, while he was framed with his friends seconds ago. I found that rather clever, but moving forward the group shots didn't convey much other than awkward comedy in some instances.
@nicoleackerman205
@nicoleackerman205 4 ай бұрын
Thanks I can't unsee it now.
@DekuNEKO21
@DekuNEKO21 4 ай бұрын
Because if there would be less than 10 actors in yates shot it becomes unbearably boring.
@faisalmemon285
@faisalmemon285 4 ай бұрын
You’re wrong. Yates doesn’t know how to direct any scene.
@nickbundt
@nickbundt 4 ай бұрын
Yates only knows how to do a medium shot, especially in Order of the Phoenix
@MR-xv1sr
@MR-xv1sr Жыл бұрын
ok, but imagine, IMAGINE, how amazing the half blood prince would have been had it been directed by Cuaron? The oppressive atmosphere without having to establish a sepia colour palette that makes it difficult to see anything, voldy’s BACKSTORY of which we were robbed (not sure how much of that was the fault of the screenplay tbf), seeing the relationships develop and strengthen instead of having blank faces stare at each other, ginny with a personality.. THE POSSIBILITIES!!
@May04bwu
@May04bwu 4 ай бұрын
And if they left the story untouched - included the battle, Bill being injured, Harry being actually sassy. HBP is my favourite book. The movie makes me cringe.
@charles3840
@charles3840 4 ай бұрын
I saw the movies first. I remembered being really bored by the HBP movie. I was shocked by how dynamic and emotional the book was in comparison when I finally read it.
@davi7940
@davi7940 4 ай бұрын
Ok but the palete of the 6 film is amazinh indeed
@resathe6760
@resathe6760 4 ай бұрын
@@davi7940no it's not. It's sepia throughout the whole movie
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 4 ай бұрын
@@May04bwuThat’s a big “If” because Cuaron is just as guilty of axing plot.
@3hutp
@3hutp 2 жыл бұрын
No wonder Christopher Columbus is such a good director. It's an easy-peasy job compared to discovering America.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Haha!!
@jamie1602
@jamie1602 Жыл бұрын
Also far less mutiny and losing one of your ships... and bringing all of those old world diseases to the new world!
@darthfloch6823
@darthfloch6823 Жыл бұрын
@@jamie1602 ☝🤓
@ifirespondiamstupid7750
@ifirespondiamstupid7750 Жыл бұрын
​​@@jamie1602 skillissue
@mane53017
@mane53017 4 ай бұрын
​@@jamie1602Don't forget the massive genocide
@madelinelipscomb3453
@madelinelipscomb3453 2 жыл бұрын
the hate crime he committed against ginny weasley: unacceptable
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Yep!!
@medalgear654
@medalgear654 Жыл бұрын
snd Ron as well.
@stephen-dfc
@stephen-dfc Жыл бұрын
Her acting was pretty woeful to be completely honest, but that’s the risk you take when taking on actors and actresses so young, we were very lucky that Dan, Rupert and Emma along with the like of Tom Felton and Matthew Lewis played their parts perfectly throughout the series.
@joevictor53
@joevictor53 Жыл бұрын
The Half Blood Prince was one of my favourite books in the series just because of Ginny. I never cared for her character before that but that book made me fall in love with the character and understand why Harry would too. Then the film ended up being so blah and that "romance" seems to come out of nowhere and doesn't feel the same
@justjoannak
@justjoannak Жыл бұрын
*THIS!* Only reason I genuinely dislike the movies
@Cloudipy
@Cloudipy Жыл бұрын
I love Chris Colombus' aesthetic/color palette/wizarding world decors/magical ambiances which really made us fall in love with the Harry Potter universe, and I love Cuaron's filming and editing and the emotions it brings (Also Harry's hairstyle was on point). A combination of both would have been perfect!
@joaoheleno100
@joaoheleno100 4 ай бұрын
You really expressed all my feelings about this topic!
@georgezee5173
@georgezee5173 4 ай бұрын
In my opinon Columbus' installments always looked quite outdated, with a cinematography that you would expect from a 1995 film, not late 2001. He nailed the tone of those two movies, though.
@nahor88
@nahor88 4 ай бұрын
@@georgezee5173 Best thing about the Columbus movies is that they didn't feel like typical Summer blockbusters. He made a real effort to include as much of the books as possible, including fan service scenes. If you watch the extended cuts of his films, it's virtually the entire book. He even wanted Peeves included. It was truly "Harry's Wondrous World". Starting with GoF, they felt exactly like typical action blockbusters that happen to feature wizards and witches. I really wish they'd given him Order of the Phoenix; would we have gotten more of those world building scenes that aren't directly tied to the plot, but make it clear this is a whole other world Harry is living in. I'd happily sit down for 3 hours of that.
@singingknightengale
@singingknightengale Жыл бұрын
I felt like I spent years saying David Yates couldn’t block a scene for shit and felt like I was speaking to a brick wall. And here you are highlighting it and emphasizing how even the camera work was failing the story. Thank you. So much.
@jeidafei1165
@jeidafei1165 Жыл бұрын
I've just re-read the books and I'm baffled at how the Order of the Phoenix scene in Dumbledore's office is so DARK. In the book, Harry returned to a brightly lit room filled with movement and wonder. As his rant and his talk with Dumbledore progress, the light outside changes and plays with the light of the room itself. Gold. Red. So much color. Harry saw the Quidditch pitch where Sirius once came to watch him play. Dumbledore's silver instruments gleam and twinkle. Portraits on the wall react to the events. Whenever I read the books, I picture the setting and characters after the Columbus films.
@farfaraway4285
@farfaraway4285 Жыл бұрын
Try the audiobooks too, those are exactly what the movies should have been. I always imagine that it’s the movie, I only listen to it and imagine what would be on screen.
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger Жыл бұрын
The MAD Magazine parody illustrated that scene better and more acurrate to the book description.
@akmonra
@akmonra Жыл бұрын
Most of the scenes in the Yates films are extremely dark for some reason.
@juliafa6562
@juliafa6562 Жыл бұрын
One of the things I hate the most about Yates' films is the horrible and dull blue palette of the screen, which makes everything darker... I understand books 5-7 are darker in tone, but all of the magic seemed to disappear from the movies
@Knightmessenger
@Knightmessenger Жыл бұрын
@Julia FA it's become a stupid trend to give movies an unnatural color tint since about 2005. I hate it because 35mm film can look like so lifelike and make you wish your video camera got that type of result (see Harry Potter 1 & 2 or even Ella Enchanted) and they just lazily make it look like something shot with a tiny miniDV camcorder.
@rd010123
@rd010123 2 жыл бұрын
I can remember everything from the first 4 films. The last 4 just blur together in my memory.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
You can't remember the "first" 4 and the "last" 4 are a blur? Meaning you didn't care for any of the films. Sorry, just trying to understand what you said.
@rd010123
@rd010123 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective The first 4 films all have a similar tone and whimsicalness that feel like they evolve and get more epic with each film. Then 5 hits and its drab and stale and feels uninspired. Like the love for the world of Harry Potter was lost. Yates definitely has his own style, which is fine, but its so drastically different from the first 4, I can't stand what he did with the franchise. When I think of scenes from his films, I couldn't tell you which scenes are from which of his films. Give me a scene from the first 4 and I can accurately tell you which film they belong to.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree!
@tomatosoup1304
@tomatosoup1304 Жыл бұрын
5th still works due to Umbridge who completely carried that film but past that I don't remember what happens in which film
@rishabhaniket1952
@rishabhaniket1952 Жыл бұрын
It’s called growing up😂.
@noaaa7
@noaaa7 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god THANK YOU! I felt like I was the only one who couldn't bear Yates's characters just standing still in every scene, it was driving me insane!
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
^that's not a fair response man. You seem to be taking a lot of these comments way too literally and giving a counter example that is deliberately made to sound the other person absurd.
@naly202
@naly202 Жыл бұрын
i dunno if it was Yates or not, but whoever decided to cast Imelda Staunton as Umbridge , well that person was a frikkin genius!
@GameyRaccoon
@GameyRaccoon 8 ай бұрын
Thats the job of a casting director
@naly202
@naly202 8 ай бұрын
@@GameyRaccoon absolutely. ;)
@faisalmemon285
@faisalmemon285 4 ай бұрын
I hate Umbridge’s actress so much I find it difficult to watch her in other things.
@siberiasian
@siberiasian 4 ай бұрын
​@@faisalmemon285 i understand the character, but why hating an actress?
@faisalmemon285
@faisalmemon285 4 ай бұрын
@@siberiasian I don’t know. It just makes me angry that she is one of the reasons that ruined Harry Potter especially Order of he Phoenix, that when I see her in other things my blood just boils in rage.
@ricksterdrummer2170
@ricksterdrummer2170 2 жыл бұрын
The funniest thing to me is how Yates failed at making his movies scarier than the first ones beside having scarier moments. Y’all gotta admit the scenes with the basilisk going around the castle saying: “Kill! KILL!!” Is a hell lot scarier than any scene from 5-8. haha
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! He had a lot more powerful scenes but even they were ruined. Expect for last film which I feel is genuinely brilliant
@brendalewis2835
@brendalewis2835 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, there is a scary essence that the books and first four movies had that lack in the Yates movies
@brendalewis2835
@brendalewis2835 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective The last film has lots of problems for sure but it is the best out of his four movies
@zorrow_
@zorrow_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective in my opinion, mike newell was the worst.
@stephenp2174
@stephenp2174 2 жыл бұрын
The Department of Mysteries should have been way scarier. The memories that were left out of HBP should have been there and done properly. The lake in HBP was scary, pretty well done, but the Inferi on the book looked like corpses and not shriveled water demons. In the book Harry sees one floating face up below the water and there are even children Inferi. Godric's Hollow in DH was done pretty well. But they're all still missing something. Yates has a formulaic, bland style, he doesn't know how to pace anything to create tension. Although I did like when Harry goes after Bellatrix, the creepy sound effects start and Voldemort says "you've got to mean it, Harry..."
@sofia4586
@sofia4586 2 жыл бұрын
I wish Chris Columbus or Alfonso Cuarón could have directed the rest of the series
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Unfortunately, they said no :(
@cashewnuttel9054
@cashewnuttel9054 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective Why? Were they not paid enough?
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
@@cashewnuttel9054 No. They just weren't interested.
@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964
@forcecaptainoverlordsuprem2964 2 жыл бұрын
Sad
@spirittammyk
@spirittammyk 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective I heard it's because both J.K. Rowlings and WB studio heads were control freaks. When you are a director, you know what will work and move an audience and what won't. I think they were drafting the next movies and fighting so much that they left. David Yates was such a yes man, it's why he stayed.
@AtypicalAdventurer
@AtypicalAdventurer 4 ай бұрын
The first two movies will always hold a special place in my heart. Not just because of nostalgia and the childhood innonence those films portray, but also because of Columbus' directive vision for the movies. They truly feel magical, like being transported into a completely different world. Movies 5-8 (and if I'm honest, Goblet of Fire too) felt like a modern, realistic world that just happened to have a sidelined magical element.
@epicredits
@epicredits 4 ай бұрын
oh my god... thats what i felt too! thank you!
@Anon29547
@Anon29547 4 ай бұрын
Agreed!!!
@longboarding0713
@longboarding0713 29 күн бұрын
I feel like a big part of this is the use of practical effects vs. CGI in the later films. Columbus tried to use practical effects for everything that he possibly could making it feel much more magical.
@MrsUzumaki
@MrsUzumaki Жыл бұрын
Picture this: an alternate universe where Christopher Columbus and Alfonso Cuarón directed all the Harry Potter films _together_ Columbus has done an incredible job at world building and Alfonso's vision is stunning. The entire franchise would've been amazing.
@roshanfey
@roshanfey 3 ай бұрын
this is my roman empire
@Corpselordx
@Corpselordx 2 жыл бұрын
What I want to know is who the hell at WB decided to let an inexperienced film director of TV soaps direct some of the important movies of the generation.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
One word: Money
@kazuhachi952
@kazuhachi952 Жыл бұрын
Ohh you can ask Zack Snyder...
@98999899
@98999899 Жыл бұрын
@@Arttective The tragedy began when Chris Columbus was heavily critised by diehard fans of the HP novels for not following the original materials word by word in the first 2 HP films. So WB made sure the films after him visualized every scene and dialogue in the novel "faithfully" to avoid controversies. As such, the later HP films were made under a complete bureaucratic approach: correct background, correct people, and correct dialogues awkwardly slammed together... David Yates did that religiously.
@sjneow
@sjneow Жыл бұрын
​@@98999899 Yates film still inserted a lot of original lines that are drastically different from the books so I dont buy that. IMO the real reason is the Harry Potter films runs on a very tight schedule so that actors dont overage their roles so the good movie directors in the 1st 4 films are not used to that. They are more used to taking 2-3 years between films. Chris Colombus was thorough burned out for directing 2 films back to back. A TV Soap director, who shoots on a weekly schedule so that their episodes can air on time, offers the correct skillsets to produce these films at the schedule that Warner Bros wanted.
@revengeofthesith.
@revengeofthesith. Жыл бұрын
@@98999899that’s makes 0 sense since the first 2 are the closest to the source material out of all 8 films
@Fatsaver
@Fatsaver 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine an alternate universe where Christopher Columbus directed all the 8 Harry Potter movies
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
OH BOY. I always wonder how he would have directed Prisoner of Azkaban.
@stephenp2174
@stephenp2174 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the worship of Cuaron. PoA was visually stunning, but it felt incredibly rushed, and it's also where they started destroying the characters. It should have been Hermione Granger and the Prisoner of Azkaban, featuring a plank of wood as Harry and a blubbering coward as Ron.
@Iamheredealwithit2008
@Iamheredealwithit2008 Жыл бұрын
The better timeline
@ManSeekingMeaning
@ManSeekingMeaning Жыл бұрын
@@stephenp2174 Harry was his most dynamic in PoA both as a character and for Radcliffe as an actor. What?!
@monkpool
@monkpool Жыл бұрын
That would’ve been a complete hassle for him because he didn’t want to direct anymore Harry Potter movies
@Orciwan548
@Orciwan548 Жыл бұрын
Wow I never realized why I liked the first few movies more than the latter but now I see it. The movies felt alive and personal. The slow zooming camera literally drew me in as a kid even though I never understood why. Seeing these scenes reminded me why I liked the franchise at first and it sorta fizzled near the end.
@Orciwan548
@Orciwan548 Жыл бұрын
That’s not to say I don’t like the movies now days I enjoy a lot of pieces more but as a kid the feel was just different.
@Alran109
@Alran109 Жыл бұрын
Chris Columbus was by far the best director for this entire series and they should have let him direct every single one.
@srilujvn6078
@srilujvn6078 Жыл бұрын
Alfonso and chris
@gasset8084
@gasset8084 3 ай бұрын
Columbus was great in the first two, but Cuarón elevated the narrative, also, the series took a dark turn from the third book onwards si Cuarón suits better for the style. Just my opinion, i love both
@kyleimcdermott
@kyleimcdermott 3 ай бұрын
Columbus was hired to direct all 7 (before they decided to split the last one into 2), but he pulled out after two because he didn't want to spend that much time away from his family and/or move his family that much, and didn't want to deal with that much stress and pressure. I respect his decision but it makes me sad every time I think about it.
@PumpkinMozie
@PumpkinMozie 2 жыл бұрын
This is so on-point. I completely agree! But also can we add how annoying it is that Yates’s films are so over-the-top dark? You literally can’t even watch them during the day unless you have black-out curtains because the screen is so dark! Ugh
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Lol. True. This reminds me of that episode of Game of Thrones where it was literally too dark to make things out.
@SUNFlower-tt9zv
@SUNFlower-tt9zv Жыл бұрын
The movie scenes have no lighting
@georgeskate78
@georgeskate78 Жыл бұрын
The third film did the best mix between the light and dark scenes
@Wierdgirl5834
@Wierdgirl5834 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you finally someone said it! David Yates lost the heart and soul of the characters. Also hated how the characters always were whispering and super quiet. I mean how in the world can you manage to make Harry Potter boring?!
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. And I completely agree
@Kasino80
@Kasino80 2 жыл бұрын
His movies are horrible!
@SUNFlower-tt9zv
@SUNFlower-tt9zv Жыл бұрын
Boring like hell
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it have been fun to see some bombastic Harry Potter movies done by Edgar Wright and Guy Ritchie? Hot Fuzz combined with Scott Pilgrim with wands
@Luke101
@Luke101 Жыл бұрын
Garbage take
@randomdoofy
@randomdoofy Жыл бұрын
I will never forget Yates for cutting Tom Riddles past from the movie and making HBP a romantic comedy.
@scottylewis8124
@scottylewis8124 3 ай бұрын
And for turning DH part 1 into a boring soap opera
@ilqar887
@ilqar887 22 күн бұрын
@@scottylewis8124he was a soap opera director
@dmb1745
@dmb1745 Жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only person who had noticed how in Yates' films the characters just frequently stand there doing nothing while saying their lines! I am glad someone else has pointed this out.
@Lukehis
@Lukehis 2 жыл бұрын
Just started rewatching the series, got to order of the phoenix and went "wow they really let this dude direct every movie going forward??" glad to know I'm not alone in that thought!
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@clairegamble3918
@clairegamble3918 Жыл бұрын
That to me always felt like the most energetic of the books. They form a rebellion at the school! Perhaps my favourite of the books yet I'm not sure I've watched it since the cinema.
@Killerbee4712
@Killerbee4712 Жыл бұрын
I think Order of the pheonix is still a very solid movie. The casting and directing for Umbridge was incredible, the duel between voldy and dumbledore was exciting and unique in the franchise, and the overall montage-like Room of requirement scenes really drove the story forward visually. Only shit part was the relationship doing, but I would consider Pheonix the strongest entry in the Yates series.
@At_Amsterdam
@At_Amsterdam Жыл бұрын
I agree Order of Phoenix was very solid. It’s the most movie-like of the HP films. Scenes don’t feel rushed. Themes are concise and don’t feel like they were botched for the runtime. There’s proper set up and pay offs. Plus the fight of Voldemort vs Dumbledoor is incredible. It’s very grounded. They set up wizard battles like gun fighting with refined swordsmen. But then when Dumbledoor and Voldemort fight it’s with the elements. And these elements have ties to their personalities. Water vs Fire / a glowing aura vs glass shards. Not even the MCU could top that with their lofty wizard battles
@Killerbee4712
@Killerbee4712 Жыл бұрын
@@At_Amsterdam Yeah many movies just use the "flash of light magic bullshit attack!" Rarely does magic use real world elements to strengthen their attack. Dumbledore using the water from the fountain to drown Voldemort, with voldemort then using the glass he broke from the windows as weapons, its creative application of real-world items using magic that makes this fight better than "green beam strike red beam very hard"
@jovanym2931
@jovanym2931 4 жыл бұрын
Someone should tell David Yates using a green Snapchat filter for half blood prince was stupid and unnecessary. That doesn’t make you a great artist or filmmaker .
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
That film was nominated for an Oscar for cinematography. I still don't know how.
@jacobdrenick
@jacobdrenick 4 жыл бұрын
Arttective because the cinematography was actually really really good, Delbonnel is a fantastic DoP. Cinematography is way more than colors, and what HBP does exceptionally well is use of light.
@jovanym2931
@jovanym2931 4 жыл бұрын
Jacob Drenick I know but In my opinion it was very bland the cinematography was way better in 3 here it was too dark in some places you couldn’t see what was going on
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
Jacob Drenick yep cinematography is of course more than color. That's why I detest the lack of interesting composition and blocking as the actors just stand in a place with the camera remaining in one place. That's one major reason I don't see the appeal.
@bingyang3805
@bingyang3805 4 жыл бұрын
The main problem is the lack of the imagination
@stephaniem6482
@stephaniem6482 Жыл бұрын
The sixth one was so bad that I didn't even see the last two in theaters, and I didn't even get around to watching them until 2 years later... and this is coming from someone who stood in line to watch the first four on opening day. You're completely right about the lack of camera movement and dynamics between actors. It's just so... static and awkward. Cuaron made you feel like you were actually flying through the great hall, whereas the later films make you feel like you're awkwardly waiting around in someone else's house with people you don't know. Not to mention the lack of colour and lighting. Even when I watch the later movies in a completely dark room, it's hard to know what's going on. There's no magic. And then there are small moments that completely miss the mark.. for example, Draco and Harry are supposed to give each other a nod of acknowledgment at the train station during the epilogue, and that doesn't even happen in the movie... Draco looks over, but Harry doesn't seem to even make eye contact with him. Small but important story beats like that are completely missing and that's what's frustrating.
@leeeun404
@leeeun404 4 ай бұрын
I loved the first 2 movies the most. Azakban had amazing cinematography and a beautiful tone, but the first 2; especially The Chamber Of Secrets will be my forever favourite HP movie. The styling, the mystery, the horror - everything is just perfect in the 2nd movie.
@ramkaluri7615
@ramkaluri7615 4 ай бұрын
It was a good start coz it did really well with kids. But as I rewatched the films as a grown up i thought it was too childish. And the way they showed voldemort was laughable. I can see why Chris columbus never did another HP film . He built the world and introduced us too it but his style was not suitable as the series was about to become more dark and voldemort being kind of the central character as important as Harry.
@spiritloa
@spiritloa 3 ай бұрын
The first 2 have the best atmosphere and they feel so alive. 3rd is also amazing, but through the director change it doesnt connect good to the previous movies. Chamber of secrets is also my fav along with GoF. I also love the first but i watched this movie so many times that it got less interesting over time
@Elemtree
@Elemtree 3 жыл бұрын
I’m also not a fan of the colour pallets with some of the later films, though I understand it’s to emphasis the tone of the films I still feel it could’ve been done better or had looked more interesting.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. The cinematography also suffered a downfall
@Theriot6592
@Theriot6592 3 жыл бұрын
If the only way to communicate a darker tone is to literally just turn the brightness setting on the camera down, you're a talentless hack. Besides the fact that he did it to all scenes, even the ones that weren't supposed to be dark.
@ladynatalie4081
@ladynatalie4081 3 жыл бұрын
Same here! That’s actually why I don’t watch the later films as often, because draining the color drained some of my interest in and attraction to what I was seeing on screen.
@ricksterdrummer2170
@ricksterdrummer2170 2 жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, the only thing I felt was better in the later movies were the cinematography. But, that’s just my personal preference.
@abcdoooabcd
@abcdoooabcd 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't see shit
@nidhig2644
@nidhig2644 3 жыл бұрын
After so many years of wincing at the last four movies, looking for a platform to release all that pent up anger- finally found a resonating platform that echoes my frustrations. What you described is my exact problem with David Yates. Always was. While the way he left out grave plotlines- horcruxes, Dumbledore's back story and the lack of explanation about the elder wand at the end being the most important ones - that is not the absolute reason for my disgust. It is the pathetic lack of emotions and feelings in every film he made. Stony, expressionless faces, emotionless sequences - he killed the heart of the series. He murdered the message of love. Harry and Ginny's relationship, Dumbledore's funeral, him telling her he was gonna go away and that presumed last kiss, exploration of Voldemort's past- hell he turned them into dead films. Nagini attacks them in Godric's hollow - nothing. Silent background. Hell Voldemort dies and evaporates after a punching match - deafening silence. Nope nobody is thrilled and voldy didn't go mouldy. Even a puppet show has more adrenaline and excitment. For a book that made my heart crash and soar with it's twists and turns and eureka moments - the movies were soulless, dumb and an outright insult to this great work of writing.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
It's really something when books (that are technically written words on paper) can sometimes be better than films. The way Rowling stirred the imagination is way visceral than an actual VISUAL film.
@bekkahboodles
@bekkahboodles Жыл бұрын
@@Arttective This is why I'm so excited for the re-adaptation coming out!
@chingizzhylkybayev8575
@chingizzhylkybayev8575 Жыл бұрын
Even though Alfonso Cuaron was the one who normalized muggle clothing for the main characters, which I hate, PoA is still my favorite HP movie by far. It's just so beautifully shot and the pacing is just right.
@SabaKhan-oq3zb
@SabaKhan-oq3zb 10 ай бұрын
Fr and they add so many characters like the books and really felt like u were reading the books I only hate how whiny and whimpy he made ron and how perfect and dramatic hemrione was harry was like books harry tho he looked right was sarcastic had some humour some anger issues
@daniellichtenstein7541
@daniellichtenstein7541 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh! I have felt this same way for YEARS! Thank you for putting it all into words. The fact that they stuck with David Yates for this long communicates to me that they were no longer interested in making interesting adaptations of Harry Potter, but more interested in a more safe and bland product that would still guarantee them the most money in the end. And so they went with David Yates, the most bland and sterile director of the franchise. The worst offending scene to me is the last scene of young Harry Ron and Hermione standing on the bridge after Harry breaks the Elder Wand and throws it away. I would have loved if they would have done something like gather around each other in a hug, or something more human than what Yates went with. What did Yates go with? Them standing, holding hands, and looking out past the camera in the most robotic looking ending shot I have ever seen in my life! Worst Blocking EVER!!! This franchise deserved better than this. EDIT: Looks like I was 3 years late watching this. Hahaha!
@juanin200
@juanin200 4 ай бұрын
Something tells me out of Newell, Columbus and Cuarón, Yates was also the cheapest director to hire. I agree on them just banking on a "safe" product, and sadly from a corporative point of view, it makes sense. The first ones HAD to be as polished as possible, for they had the mammoth of a task of laying the ground for a franchise, they had to make people crave for more HP movies, but once the franchise got stablished, once people was convinced of going into the theater just by hearing "Harry Potter", executives had no need to risk it... Or spend money on improving/keeping the quality up. At the end of the day, steady shots, cero facial expression, cero blocking, cero need to practice all these complex shots, means less production time, less money spent in production, faster release dates, faster cash.
@SuperHeedictator
@SuperHeedictator 2 жыл бұрын
The thing i so admire about the scene in the prisoner of Azkaban, when Dumbledore was saying his speech during the dinner: the camera work, the suspense, how the words of the character and emotions of those who listened to him were so perfectly showed, and him saying"even in the most darkest moments you can find some light" and magically removed and returned the light on the candle. That was so magical and impactful for me when I watched, that I remember the scene and even the words up until now. At the same time in the half-blood prince....I can't even remember the scenes not gonna talk about the words saying cuz they just didn't have any impact neither visually nor emotionally. The main problem with David is that all of the characters are just standing there!! Why to do all those broad shots where everybody standing still and doing shit nothing either with their body movements nor with their words or actions. So boring that I don't have any desire to watch those films again(6-8). The only one good from his was Order of the Phoenix, but mostly due to the color correction and the acting. Still half of the time there is static and no movements whatsoever from the characters.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you so hard.
@SuperHeedictator
@SuperHeedictator 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective thank you for this essay~ the analyze and jokes as well as the editing was top👍 thanks~~~
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperHeedictator :) Please do share my essay(s) if you wish, it helps my channel grow! Thank you for watching.
@felixoesinghaus
@felixoesinghaus 2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I always have the urge to rewatch HP 1-3 but 5-8 always feel like a chore to get through just to finish the series. One of the main appeals of Harry Potter is escapism. Hogwarts is a place you would want to escape to. But Yates suceeds in making the world completely boring and devoid of any magic. Everything is grey, brown and blue. And it's not due to darker source material, he even does it in scenes that are meant to be light-hearted and fun because it's his idea of making the world gritty, adult and 'real'. But this is the total opposite of the appeal of Harry Potter. He even made the magic less magical and basically turned it into gunfights. When McGonagall fights Snape in the book, she turns a attacking black serpent into smoke, transform them into daggers which dart to Snape. He then blocks them with a suit of armor. Any able director would jump at the chance to do something likes this. What does Yates do? He takes the Great Hall, turns down the saturation and fills it with depressed looking students that stand around awkwardly. A wide shot of McGonagall doing a few wand gunshots, Snape waves his arm and leaves. Does Yates even want to be director? He seems to be so bored by even the most exciting source material. He was just going through the motions delivering the most basic barely acceptable retelling of the story posssible.
@vikingdragon7100
@vikingdragon7100 2 жыл бұрын
I think the scene you mentioned, realistically, was changed due to budget issues. You can't spend the entire budget on a fairly unimportant scene as Snape fleeing when you have a movie filled with dragons, statues coming to life and large battle scenes. In my humble opinion the scene delivers on the emotions. I also like how Yates shows Snape taking down the Carrows intentionally during the fight without the audience realizing. But that's just me.
@felixoesinghaus
@felixoesinghaus 2 жыл бұрын
@@vikingdragon7100 My point was that even in exciting scenes, Yates completely underutilizes the source material because in his mind wands = gunshots. In simple dialogue scenes the lack of movement is even worse, as shown in the video. Also Budget? Give me a break, this was the finale to world's most successful movie franchise and they made over 1 Billion at the box office. They could have doubled the budget and it would still have been approved by the studio. This was entirely due to lack of vision by the director. Also if you're gonna cut anything, cut the carrows. The only noteworthy interaction in the book is in Ravenclaw tower, which wasn't in the film, so why would the viewer care about the carrows? They had this habit of characters barely making it into the film but cutting out their entire story in which case why even include them. It manages to both piss off the fans of the book and makes no sense to a viewer who hasn't read the books. I guess some of the blame goes to the screen writer but the choices are just baffling. Oh look how sad Tonks dies - what a devastating loss after a screentime of 30 seconds. Almost as sad as seeing Dobby die when he went missing for more than 3 movies. But of course it is vitally important we include the Grawp scenes which serve no purpose and we have to make them as awkward as possible. I hate to say it because I love the books and the first 3 movies but the later movies are just bad adaptations.
@vikingdragon7100
@vikingdragon7100 2 жыл бұрын
@@felixoesinghaus Regardless of Yates' vision and whether we like his movies or not, they didn't have an unlimited budget. Like any other company WB's main concern is making as much money as possible. That's for instance why they insisted on turning the last movie into 3D when it really didn't have to be. Also why do you think they hired someone as cheap as Yates (I'm not saying he is bad) in the first place? There is no way they would have doubled the budget for such a director, not even an auteur like Cuaron if he'd directed it. As for your other points, no one is arguing the movies are perfect, but I feel I like them better than most people who comment on this video, but that's not surprising considering the content of the video. I have a different perspective, but none of us are going to change our mind about the movies, and that's fair. We like what we like.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
I think the budget constraints are a fair point. Yates only had a majority of his experience in TV so it seems Warner went for someone cheaper for the later movies. I'd still argue that things like blocking, mise en scene, cinematography are a product of talent, not budget. Even the most low budget films like Hereditary knock your socks off because of the way the films are directed dynamically. Look at how Kurosawa made classics with limited budget, struggling after the Second World War. The way he makes his characters move in a scene still inspires generations of film makers, including me. Yates still had way more chances than this and he blew it with static film making.
@vikingdragon7100
@vikingdragon7100 2 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective I agree that things like blocking and cinematography mainly are a product of talent, not budget. However removing a spectacular flight scene from the last book, which would've cost the same as the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort in the fifth movie, is probably a budget decision. But I think the movie is better for it actually; there are enough magical fire creatures in the movie, and they actually play a somewhat integral part to the plot when they are used in the Room of the Requirement. I'm a bit tired of all the hate thrown at Yates all over the internet for changing such insignificant details. Colourful CGI spells/magic does not necessarily equal a vision; it would probably look messy in those huge battle scenes. So while some might argue the grey/blue spells look boring, it's probably designed that way to make it easier for the audience to pay attention to the main characters in the action scenes. That sort of spell design was largely set up by Cuaron as well so it's partly about keeping consistency too. I think the wand magic is decent enough from Azkaban until the end (it's an improvement over the first two movies, especially the sound design), and those basic spells certainly allow for grand wizards like Dumbledore and Voldemort to shine with their unique magic in a way they wouldn't if all the magic was flashy. In my opinion that scene in particular also proves that Yates is not merely going through the motions; he's far more capable of directing action scenes than some give him credit for.
@agoodday9247
@agoodday9247 7 ай бұрын
I've never known anyone to hate colour and saturation as much as David Yates. It's like the man has a vendetta against vibrancy.
@philosopher_sage_07
@philosopher_sage_07 4 ай бұрын
Unlike others who are perfectly happy with movies 3 and 4, I felt that the magic was there only in the first two, the plots were both linked to a continuous story and complete within themselves. Warm and whimsical. The third movie was good as well, but strange in that Harry seemed to get attached to Sirius really fast. It made more sense for him to grow closer to Lupin given the amount of screen time they had together. I also felt the mood change from gold and warm to silver and cool-- the grim scene and the doubledecker bus scene. Fourth movie put me off because everyone was massively awkward already... Harry became sort of passive and the interactions made him look like a complete snob, the rest of the people hating him or doubting him all the time. Dumbledore who is such a whimsical and mysterious character in the book just not being himself. And then the last 4 movies were just plain boring. They took us out of the mood of the magical, warm fantasy world and pushed us into some cold, young adult dystopian story with magic as a side. Everything is linear and the viewer can no longer engross in it but just go through it all passively.
@wancheng89
@wancheng89 3 ай бұрын
I agree! I can’t sit through any of the movies other than the first two!
@philosopher_sage_07
@philosopher_sage_07 2 ай бұрын
@@wancheng89 Glad to find agreement here!
@JustinProper
@JustinProper 3 жыл бұрын
I always felt like Order of the Phoenix & Half Blood Prince were just going through the motions as opposed to doing anything special. Now I have a better understanding why. Great job!
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🙂
@vikingdragon7100
@vikingdragon7100 3 жыл бұрын
I agree about Order of the Phoenix. Just average all over. I think Half Blood Prince is attempting something unique visually in the sense of being inspired by Rembrandt. But it's an uneven film narratively.
@aishat6838
@aishat6838 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Anytime I rewatched the films, I always watched movies 1-4 but never really watched 5-8 and I see why now. The last four movies, (ESPECIALLY The Deathly Hallows) were just so boring… I didn’t know what it was but I could never watch those movies without skipping certain scenes or thinking, “well that’s depressing… a bit TOO depressing…” and the colour pallet in particular practically killed the wonder of magic that had already been woven into the movies. I didn’t get the same, “oh that’s really cool” vibe during the HBP when they showed us the Twins’ joke shop because the feeling just wasn’t there anymore… it all felt super bland and the actors just stood around and stared at each other (I’m looking at you, Ginny and Harry!) and all in all, it was just a snooze-fest. Because of David Yates 😭
@MegaKnight2012
@MegaKnight2012 Жыл бұрын
Half Blood Prince was one of the most boring films I watched... until I saw Deathly Hallows Part 1. Whoo boy. I had to pee due to boredom
@TheSuperNats
@TheSuperNats Жыл бұрын
If it wasn’t for the fight Or Imelda’s absolutely incredible performance as Umbridge that movie would be extremely forgettable
@mr.shyryhud1659
@mr.shyryhud1659 Жыл бұрын
I hate how he normalized wearing Normal clothes for the wizards, and normalized NOT saying spells out loud.
@madinp1177
@madinp1177 Жыл бұрын
Yes! Speechless spells were extremely difficult to master in the books. In the films, you just point your wand in someone's direction and there's a non-specific bang that happens. And all of the death eaters were super overpowered in the films, all flying from the fifth film onwards. Only Voldemort could in the books and it was a bone-chilling revelation for Harry when he saw this for the first time at the beginning of the Deathly Hallows.
@mr.shyryhud1659
@mr.shyryhud1659 Жыл бұрын
@@madinp1177 making every bad guy fly was a mistake. Not saying spells out loud is actually very very boring to watch
@Synthesyn342
@Synthesyn342 4 ай бұрын
@@madinp1177 Snape could fly too, but still they are the only ones.
@TEMSproductions
@TEMSproductions Жыл бұрын
I always rewatch the first 3 HP movies year after year because of how much unique style and heart each one had. Such a shame it can't be said for the rest.
@Lena-dear
@Lena-dear Жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly. I remember when I came out of the cinema after Order of the Phoenix and then after Half-Blood Prince, I was so disappointed and shocked. It didn't feel like I've just seen a Harry Potter movie, it felt like the magic was lost. Everyone was so still and awkard, there were hardly any emotions portrayed, even the castle felt "dead". Everything was so dark and green, I hated it. To this day, I only rewatch the first 4 films. Even Daniel Radcliffe said he wasn't satisfied with his acting in the last films, that he didn't progress as an actor. I also didn't like how Yates portrayed magic, it suddenly felt like they had guns that only have to be pointed at the opponent to shoot him with either red or green light, and the effect is almost always the same. I agree that the Prisoner of Azkaban was the best, I can still feel the danger outside of the castle, even though I know Sirius is a good guy, it takes a really good director to get this effect.
@Joe0707
@Joe0707 Жыл бұрын
Chamber of Secrets is so underrated! Definitely in the top 3 HP films.
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
Yep!
@erenjaeger6125
@erenjaeger6125 Жыл бұрын
I watched Chamber of Secrets sooo many times when I was a kid… even though the basilisk terrified me! But that was kind of the point right? 😂
@jamesben1
@jamesben1 Жыл бұрын
My favourite film of the series. Even though I know Prisoner Of Azkaban is technically superior, Chamber is still my favourite. It tells a complete story from beginning to end. Its got great drama, great comedy, great action, Richard Harris as Dumbledore. The child actors aren't as self-conscious in their performances as they would later become. John Williams' score is timeless. Most importantly I think, the film is comfortable just being what it is, a kid's fantasy film. A tone which would admittedly be difficult to maintain in the later films once everyone starts getting murdered.
@RabiyaRavenclaw
@RabiyaRavenclaw 5 ай бұрын
And most importantly it potrays the golden trio exactly like how they are in the books, The later films made Ron a comedic relief, Harry Boring, and Dull, and Hermione an infallible Mary Sue ​@@jamesben1
@-XStream237-
@-XStream237- 5 ай бұрын
definitely my favorite of all of them, very book accurate aswell
@Ronin3453
@Ronin3453 Жыл бұрын
Lets also not forget the fact that death eaters becoming literal dark clouds (in place of apparating) started in the 5th film.
@kartik3995
@kartik3995 7 ай бұрын
Is it good or bad?
@sweetsymphony3519
@sweetsymphony3519 4 ай бұрын
@@kartik3995 it is bad
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 5 ай бұрын
Such a shame we don't have an entire series made by Columbus
@anderstauschristensen9184
@anderstauschristensen9184 4 ай бұрын
would not have worked imo since he is better at more light hearted movies which would not have worked for last 6 movies
@cheeks7050
@cheeks7050 4 ай бұрын
How would you know, he never got a chance to make them. He is a very competent film maker, no reason to thing he can't make "Darker" movies.@@anderstauschristensen9184
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 4 ай бұрын
@@anderstauschristensen9184Watch Mrs Doubtfire andd Bicentennial Man.
@breedoesstuffs6053
@breedoesstuffs6053 Жыл бұрын
I used to watch a lot the third movie, I was obsessed with it, I felt it so good, and it’s my favourite one.. now I understand why: direction, the rhythm, and THE MUSIC omg it’s so good! And the photography.. the relationship with nature and the environment was great. And we got “sassy harry” too, when piton caught him walking in the castle by night and he says “I sleepwalk” lol. Such a great Cast deserves a great direction. It’s depressing how it went from the goblet of fire to the last one 🙁
@ferfilano8601
@ferfilano8601 8 ай бұрын
Same to me. I watch Azkaban a lots. In a period of time, I watch it daily for months :D
@Melon_Yellow
@Melon_Yellow 4 ай бұрын
My father didnt STRUT... and nor do I 💅
@FivePotter
@FivePotter 4 ай бұрын
The third is my fave too
@rc4780
@rc4780 Жыл бұрын
He stripped all characters of emotions and it really felt like he was trying to finish the movies as quickly as possible.
@aitakemi
@aitakemi 3 жыл бұрын
After watching this video, I realized now I never really cared for Yates's films that's why I never give any of them critical reactions. They're nothing special. I thought I have a strong dislike for Newell's GoF but at least his film is engaging (over the top even if I could describe it that way). That film left a lot of impression on me thanks to the cinematography. But with Yates's last 4 films, they're just... sort of there. They're just that forgettable. Just like you said, they have no personality. Everything was so perfect up to 2004. I can't see Cuarón directing the first two films, just as I can't see Columbus directing the third film onward because of all the tonal change. It's a regret. I had hoped Cuarón would continue directing all the later films. PoA with no doubt, the best Harry Potter film.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Wow glad we could agree on everything!
@acdragonrider
@acdragonrider 3 жыл бұрын
4 has some problems in terms of inaccuracy and Dumbledore is a glaring mess and the maze was not what I wanted it to be. I also wanted them to include more Sirius, and the Quidditch World Cup since that was one of my favorite parts in the book. But the rest of the film was so much fun. The Horntail was as good in terms of CGI as Cuaron's Buckbeak in my book and the final Voldermort Harry fight was so intense especially with the ghosts arriving. Minus "I can touch you now!"
@MademoiselleRed1390
@MademoiselleRed1390 2 жыл бұрын
@@acdragonrider THIS. I know this film suffers as an adaptation but as a film on it's one it's one of the most fun HP movies. My brother and I couldn't stop watching it.
@diabloakland
@diabloakland 4 ай бұрын
I think you’re right on the nose with how underwhelming it was to see their reactions in the Yates films.
@nia-tl7wp
@nia-tl7wp 5 ай бұрын
We just finished our yearly Christmas HP binge and it is always eye-opening to watch them back to back. Something we discussed was that in PoA, every single scene has meaning and adds to the character and plot development. There are no filler scenes, even the funny scene with the boggart lesson quickly turned dark. The acting is excellent, some of my favorite HP characters are introduced like Sirius and Remus. The atmosphere is foreboding and the dementors were terrifying. We understand how high the stakes are for Sirius and Buckbeak. Truly a masterpiece. The final 2 movies had some great scenes but I also felt like important plot points were left out from the books that explain so much. Great analysis!
@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin
@thepartydontstoptilliwalkin 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I gave up when he prioritized teenage angst over the actual plot of "The Half-Blood Prince" Oh, David Yates. Who ever recommended him? On the other hand, I respect Chris Columbus choice of leaving so that he could spend more time with his children but he is one of the reasons why the first two movies are the only ones I can always rewatch. I believe "magical" is the word that describes them best. Everything felt new and fantastic, Richard Harris, may he rest peacefully, was a perfect Dumbledore, I had him in mind when I finally read the books years later. But the one thing that really put me off aside from abysmal writing was the choice in lighting. Who told Yates that a darker tone must equal literal bleakness. They removed all the colors aside from grey, white and black. There is a scene in the last movie where Snapes flees Hogwarts and McGonagall ignites the torches in the great hall. I was thinking, maybe now they would add some colors. Nope. Still dark. I could go on all day (by that I mean, I'm running out of stuff to complain about) but you have summarized it perfectly. "boring, lackluster and unimaginative" indeed
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@razgarcia
@razgarcia 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with this! I always rewatch the 1st and 2nd. Chris Columbus is the best!
@jaquitavulpix3418
@jaquitavulpix3418 2 жыл бұрын
For me the third one captures that magic, too. It's more a"gothic-fairytale"-aesthetic than the classical magic of the first two, but the gorgeous score just adds so much to the whole melancholic tone. 4 was okay (entertaining at least^^), but they went downhill very fast from there.
@ericyoung1478
@ericyoung1478 2 жыл бұрын
@the party don't stop till I walk in I'll admit I love the flight over London scene in Order Of The Phoenix, directed by Mr Yates--so I'll give him credit for that amazing scene. With that said, yeah, I agree I kinda did give up starting on the 6th film.
@SUNFlower-tt9zv
@SUNFlower-tt9zv Жыл бұрын
The Yates direction includes( actors staring,standing lack of emotion) As if they see with their eyes Harry potter charm died in front of them.
@benneidl9336
@benneidl9336 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with almost everything here except that I don’t cut Yates any slack on Deathly Hollows because I think a few of his worst fumbles are in that one. In the book, Molly Weasley taking out Bellatrix (Not my daughter you b****!) was such a rousing moment I actually pumped my fist in the air and exclaimed “Yes!”-not something that happens often when you’re reading. In the movie, though, the pacing and blocking of that moment is dead on arrival. Flat, static, muted. It’s ridiculous: Molly and Bellatrix are just standing there looking at each other, and the Molly just points and shoots, with Bellatrix doing nothing really. That should have been so much more of a dynamic last minute intervention scene. And the final battle with Harry and Voldemort is blown, too. The book gives us that great, personal showdown in the great hall with Harry finally in charge, dramatically lecturing Voldemort in front of the whole cast. The movie replaces that with a stupid, effects-laden series of avid farts in and around the courtyard, with the dialogue stripped and nobody else there. What an idiotic choice.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
I know right? It's a great film imho but it still has that stale, static look in many scenes
@RedCaio
@RedCaio Жыл бұрын
the worst parts are 1) the costumes got boring. no whimsical wizard robes. just formal suits like its the Prom dance. 2) the desaturation, no color in the the films, basically black and white movies, 3) The abandonment of John Williams' various iconic themes :(
@stephaniem6482
@stephaniem6482 Жыл бұрын
In Deathly Hallows part 2, they're in Gringotts and the security guards are literally dressed like New York City cops, lol. Like... why??? Why are they dressed like muggle cops? It's so bad.
@REECEM92
@REECEM92 5 ай бұрын
What I noticed in David Yates' Harry Potter films is that when he starts a HP film, there was no introduction or a "starting point", the films just start and you have to get in the story straight away without any introduction or whats really going on. I think the only movie that had a bit of a introduction was Deathly Hallows Part 2, has it took the audience time to see whats going on and see the situation rather then just getting on with it and starting immediately.
@lukesguywalker
@lukesguywalker 3 жыл бұрын
wow. you put word to some feelings i've had about these last few movies for a bit. my sister once joked to me that after goblet of fire, you "never see sunlight again" in harry potter movies. but i think what she meant (whether she knew it or not) was that they're kind of lacking in life. in my opinion each of them have some great moments, but they're more like moments that were stumbled upon instead of put together with any kind of deliberation. it's such a shame, because book wise, these stories have moments packed with a lot of passion.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. I'm glad we are on the same page. Also your sister, imo, is both literally and figuratively correct 😉 I mean the cinematography too got way too dark, especially in Half blood prince.
@taminapiwocki3423
@taminapiwocki3423 4 ай бұрын
Finally! Yes! It drove me INSANE how flat everything felt from the Order of the Phoenix onward! The emotions just weren't there. And it was MADDENING! TBH, Dumbledore after Chamber of Secrets always stuck in my craw.
@EnigmaticBibliophile
@EnigmaticBibliophile Жыл бұрын
I thought this was one of the more creative video essays I've watched in a while! I think you made some very interesting observations; I also appreciate that you acknowledged good parts about the Yates films.
@Pmccaff2009
@Pmccaff2009 Жыл бұрын
Lets just say it, Alfonso should have directed every film after 3. It’s the best for a reason.
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
YES
@saimatabassam-uj8uz
@saimatabassam-uj8uz 4 ай бұрын
Just cause he made the best one doesn't mean he would have done a good job on the others.
@emilioaramalvarado3402
@emilioaramalvarado3402 4 ай бұрын
​@saimatabassam-uj8uz I mean have you seen the other Cuaron films? They're just fantastic, probably could have carried the series but I'm glad he didn't
@melaniesjournal8998
@melaniesjournal8998 Жыл бұрын
The later films always bugged me for some reason and I could never explain why, apart from deviations from the books. But your explanation now makes so much more sense. Perhaps even more confrontational 😂
@andorfanjullopez2427
@andorfanjullopez2427 Жыл бұрын
What a great video!! I loved your essay and the editing, really nailed it.
@TheEtherny
@TheEtherny Жыл бұрын
I never understood why the other films felt so bland in comparison to the first 4 but seeing the camera work compared to David's still shots really did make me realize how something so small can totally change a scene, I always thought the writing was what mattered and those films were fine...but they could've been so much better had they switched to a more artistic director!
@Booderot
@Booderot 4 ай бұрын
Can you send me the cut of the fourth movie that you watched and is good? The official one is the worst
@drewcollier1138
@drewcollier1138 4 жыл бұрын
Another issue with David Yates is his music choices. The producers let him choose his television collaborator Nicholas Hooper instead of John Williams and Patrick Doyle, the composers of the previous ones. This led to less musical continuity and Hooper's restrained style hurt the story. Even when Nicholas Hooper dropped out after working on two films, Yates still refused to hire Williams or Doyle back. He also hurt Deathly Hallows and Fantastic Beasts by using excessive temp tracking (temporary music that the director wants the composer to copy) for their respective composers to follow. FB composer James Newton Howard said that he had to rewrite the opening music from a memorable statement of the FB main theme to something more generic sounding that we hear in the final product.
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
Temp music is such a abomination. This is exactly also what ruined the Marvel movies.
@MesserMusic
@MesserMusic 4 жыл бұрын
As a musician, this hurts me
@pumpkinjuice430
@pumpkinjuice430 4 жыл бұрын
I'm no musician, but I love the music for all the films.
@CodyJMinor0620
@CodyJMinor0620 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Patrick has said in an interview that he does concerts as well and would’ve been too busy to continue the musical journey of Harry Potter beyond Goblet and I don’t hate Nicholas Hooper, personally I think his score for HBP was one of the stronger elements of that particular movie, and I loved Desplat’s scores to both Deathly Hallows movies, I think he was more in tune with John’s style than Patrick and Nicholas were
@lucasrodrigues9880
@lucasrodrigues9880 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective I am actually interested in seeing a video about this
@oltimer3159
@oltimer3159 4 жыл бұрын
I love the freestyle comedic approach to these video's, sometimes people attempt to be overly deliberate, and come off as extremely shallow. Love the analysis.
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. I was unsure if the comic bits will be hit but I'm glad it worked :)
@George-xb5ey
@George-xb5ey 6 ай бұрын
The series and all the magic dies for me after the fifth movie then it just feels like a dark awkward world completely unrecognisable from the emotions that they make you feel in the first few films.
@dontalox
@dontalox 4 ай бұрын
Really interesting! I always thought the Yates movies were lacking something, but I could never explain in words why.
@Koryn_99
@Koryn_99 2 жыл бұрын
My biggest beef with the later movies is that they couldn't convey a sense of fun and wonder in addition to the darker moments the way the first three could. The quidditch field when Ron is trying out for keeper in 6 just looks depressing. Hogwarts looks cold, grey, and dingy, indoors and out. It doesn't look like a place you want to go to. There's also the fact that they shied away from the fantastical elements of the Wizarding World. In the first two movies, all witches and wizards of all ages wear wizard robes and would look out of place in the muggle world. Starting from 3 onward, it feels like the only characters who still wear weird distinctly magical clothes are Dumbledore, McGonagall, and students during school hours. Trelawney could easily pass for just a weird crackhead hippie. Every kid and every adult wears muggle clothes outside those times. From 3 onward, besides the iconic looks of Dumbledore, McGonagall, and the Hogwarts uniform, all three of which were so distinctly established that changing them would be very jarring, "wizard clothes" became "muggle clothes sometimes with a trench coat." I had no desire to visit this wizard world while watching the movies from Goblet of Fire onward, sparing 3 simply because I liked the spooky atmosphere and the top notch music while they kept those moments of whimsy and wonder such as flying on Buckbeak, Hogsmeade, most of the boggart scene, saving Sirius, and the firebolt scene. Another huge problem is changing things to save money on CGI for Dobby to where he comes out of nowhere and all a moviegoer would remember is that it was the house elf who made a lot of trouble for Harry in the second movie. Also not introducing Bill until movie 7 because they didn't think he was important enough before the later books came out. Do they ever mention again that "hey, this is Fleur, the girl from the fourth movie." Bill's introduction couldn't have been more crude if he'd looked directly at the audience and said "I'm a character who's been talked about in several if not all of the books and was introduced directly in the fourth book, and I'm going to marry Fleur, the french girl from Goblet of Fire, and I got bitten by a werewolf during the death eater's attack on Hogwarts, and I wanna get my revenge on him." There were many things that were hamfisted and don't make much sense to someone who didn't read the books. Harry Potter 1 and 2 were whimsical but could also be dark and dire. Their presentations are the heaviest inspirations for what I picture when I'm reading all 7 books. I especially liked the clothes you saw everyone wearing. It felt like fashion broke off into two distinct lines when the wizarding world separated from the muggle world and they went into hiding, bearing aspects of historical dress that I could easily imagine someone wearing during the medieval period, and later ones such as the 1800's like what Olivander and Cornelius Fudge are wearing in the first two films, respectively. The sweaters and stuff weren't too jarring, as they were worn during the Christmas holidays and contributed to the cozy feeling of Hogwarts, or beneath wizard robes. Prisoner of Azkaban leaned a little more into the dark but had some lighter moments and did a good job conveying all the important elements of the books that would come into play later in the series. While I enjoyed it, it was far less "magical" and a lot more "mad" or eccentric in the same way Alice and Wonderland is mad. The eccentricity and madness can be seen with the Knight Bus, the maid in the Leaky Cauldron, Trelawney, the weird jack in the box form the boggart took, the change they made to the Fat Lady from a dignified and serious woman to a weirdo who forces the students to listen to her awful singing, etc. It also shied away from the world-building elements such as Quidditch, wizard robes, while also introducing a few new ones that I like such as Azkaban's wanted posters, the idea of the Knight Bus. I liked Prisoner of Azkaban very much, despite it being the first step the series took away from whimsy and toward focusing on the dark, negative aspects of the wizarding world. Goblet of Fire was the last Harry Potter movie I was excited for, and the one that I was the least fond of of the first four. I liked things like Harry's robes from the first task, like they had wizard robes for more athletic pursuits. I didn't like them stepping back from Quidditch again by skipping through the World Cup. I liked the Death Eaters because of the strange costumes they wore with the spiky hoods and skull masks, which are what I picture while reading all the books they appear in. I saw those and could easily have them coexist in my imagining of what wizards wear. I saw them and thought "yes, that's what an evil wizard might dress like to frighten people." I didn't like Harry's clothes during the third task, as they were yet another example of putting wizards in very normal-looking clothes. Krum's sweater and pants didn't clash as much because they wore things like sweaters and vests beneath their robes in the first two movies. Fleur in her tracksuit complete with zip-up hoodie just felt out of place to me. Voldemort was very spooky that first moment when his skin was slimy and his eyes opened, but he quickly lost that monstrous snakey look and became just a guy in makeup or with CGI changing his face to me. The Yule Ball started out like what I might expect, even if I wasn't fond of the music as it didn't feel like Harry Potter to me, but then they brought out the Weird Sisters and they just looked like an ordinary rock band with no magical elements, a consequence of stepping away from wizard clothes. Also cutting out Dobby. It's not like he'll be important later and require those bonding scenes with Harry to provide impact to his potential death, right? Also not-calm Dumbledore. Order of Phoenix is my least favorite movie of all, and possibly even tainted my vision of the fifth book as well, making it not stand out much among the 7. This was when the normal clothes plus trench coats seems to have become what wizard robes looked like now. This was the first time where I was watching the movies and thought "Why does Harry even want to be there anymore?" It's depressing, grey, wet, cold, and always dangerous. The music again didn't feel to me like Harry Potter, and continued on this track through the rest of David Yates' movies. When I visited Diagon Alley at Universal Studios, the music from the first three movies always hooked me, while the rest were forgettable or felt like they clashed with what I was seeing around me, which seemed to me to be inspired mostly by the magical, whimsical depiction of Diagon Alley in the first two movies. I enjoyed Half-Blood Prince a little bit more because it's my favorite of the books, since it felt like the first time Harry got to be confident and enjoy himself as a maturing teenager. The movie however botched Ginny because in the movies, I never saw her as anything more than Ron's little sister from the second movie, because that's how all the directors saw her too. She just has an awkward bathrobe scene with Harry on the stairs at her house, then kisses him later. No chemistry at all and it made it even less satisfying that she was the one Harry eventually ended up with at the end of Deathly Hallows part 2. During Quidditch tryouts, she's suddenly there and the audience just has to think "oh, I guess that red haired girl from the second movie is good enough at quidditch to tell people what to do?" My favorite scenes were Harry's interactions with Slughorn and the Tom Riddle memory scenes, though the new teenage Riddle actor looked very different and clashed with what I pictured when reading, which was Christian Coulson who was of course too old to play him by that time. The Felix Felicis scenes I think were my favorite part of movies 4-8, getting to finally see Harry being genuinely happy without a worry at the back of his mind which is a much more frequent occurrence in the books than the later movies. By Deathly Hallows, I was checked out and went to them because it was an event and the end of an era. The scene where Harry danced with Hermione to cheer her up was very charming and did a good job connecting to what I felt while reading the book where it seemed like Harry and Hermione were getting very close by necessity with Ron walking out on their mission. At least where the movies were concerned, it was much more believable that Harry should end up with Hermione than with Ginny, which seemed only to have been done (in a very rushed way) because it had to catch up to the books which did a better (but still not great) job of building up Harry and Ginny's relationship. Also, Harry's kid has Beiber hair. I don't like their attempts to make the wizarding world look more like the real world. The biggest thing that comes to my mind for movies 5-8 is forgettable. They killed my interest in the franchise going forward, as to me, Fantastic Beasts just looks like David Yates minus Harry Potter and the other characters I love, which were the only reasons I watched his movies. I've recently gotten back into Harry Potter through the audiobooks and they made me want to play each of the video game adaptions of BOOKS 1-3 on all platforms, which largely adhere to the Harry Potter brand as established by Chris Columbus in the first two movies while remaining truer to the first three books, but I have no interest in finding the games for MOVIES 4-8 which began using the undeniable likenesses of the actors and had far less soul put into them and became just another lame series of movie tie-in games.
@masterknife8423
@masterknife8423 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with everything you said. I also hate the fact that no one wears robes and actually dress like witches and wizards in the later films too. The films ultimately became "mugglefied" after the first two
@kevinmaestroful
@kevinmaestroful Жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more with everything you said ..my thoughts EXACTLY 💯
@juliandelapena4293
@juliandelapena4293 Жыл бұрын
Finally red all, I mostly agree with you and I recommend you play Hogwarts legacy to get that WIZARDING world feel back to you! It’s worth it
@unkownearth11.11
@unkownearth11.11 Жыл бұрын
Even though I find your view about the clothes and general appearances fascinating, it appears a bit dull that this makes the most of your likings towards Harry Potter. Is this literally so significant? I mean, it is an unique standpoint from what others write, still... I doubt your range of intuition and imagination is suited to like Harry Potter in the first place.
@tikusblue
@tikusblue Жыл бұрын
I agree with so much of what you said. Also, I think it makes sense for them to wear certain things like knitted sweaters etc. They are historically significant in the UK and have been worn for a long time. Plus they've shown how wizards and witches enchant knitting needles to make garments. And it fits with the overall, slower living vibe we see from the wizarding world & rejection of more modern technology. I found it jarring seeing them wearing clothing with zippers etc. At Hogwarts because of that. The wizarding world is quite separate culturally from the muggle world. I get that harry and Hermione lived as muggles for many years, but Hermione was always described as fascinated by the wizarding world and as fairly nerdy and unconcerned with her appearance. so her pink hoodie with jeans ensemble felt strange to me in the third film. And with Harry it might make more sense if when we see him in muggle clothes, they look old worn and possibly I'll fitting because they are hand me downs from Dudley. Other than that, when is he even going shopping in the muggle world? He would be buying things at hogsmeade if anything, and his wardrobe would likely expand to be more wizard leaning. Especially seeing as he has negative associations with the muggle world and feels more connected with the wizarding world. I can't see him caring to buy trendy tshirts and jeans etc. at h&m to wear back at school or over the summer.
@marissasturzaker3483
@marissasturzaker3483 3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad to finally hear someone talk about this
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
🙂
@shmaqzi9893
@shmaqzi9893 4 ай бұрын
This was an excellently presented and edited presentation, thank you for your filmmaking insight!
@DannySol-SeriesyPeliculas
@DannySol-SeriesyPeliculas Жыл бұрын
This is something I didn’t notice before. I am thankful that you made this video because I will pay more attention to the camera movement and the shots. I recently watched again the 8 films altogether and I knew something was off on the movies 4-5-6-7 part 1. Now that I know what it is I will watch them once again haha please don’t stop making videos this was a masterpiece. Great work!
@jahntheisen
@jahntheisen Жыл бұрын
it blows my mind how i never actually thought of the importance of good shots, cuts and editing and just took it for granted. Allthough i always loved the first few films the most (especially the third one) i never knew why. I Always considered it to be the less serious atmosphere or that the first few films were more emotially linked to my childhood. But you made me figure out the dense atmosphere was created by the excellent directors catching emotions or simply a great scenery to feel like hogwarts really exists. Considering it the last 4 films feel more like a theatre than a real movie. Thanks for your breakdown.
@konstantin9303
@konstantin9303 4 жыл бұрын
The "coffee break" after the the battle of Hogwarts was totally depressing. Totally lacking of emotion...
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@pumpkinjuice430
@pumpkinjuice430 4 жыл бұрын
Factually wrong dude, it's anything but depressing lol. But is it a great scene? Not necessarily in conveying all the post-battle reactions you'd expect, but it's great in the sense it mirrors the previous Great Hall scene of Harry seeing the dead bodies. Notice how it's shot in a similar fashion, but this time it's peaceful as opposed to dark and depressing.
@Rodytur10
@Rodytur10 4 ай бұрын
Wow, great explanation of what you feel during the films. The lack of urgency and pace. It all felt static and goofy, while the story we knew from the books was gripping.
@girlbehindthereddoor
@girlbehindthereddoor Жыл бұрын
Completely agree with this. I never looked into the directors or BTS stuff when I was younger but I always loved movies 1-4 and found 5-8 so dull - they were boring visually and lost the magic that the first 4 movies had.
@ahhinchannel3390
@ahhinchannel3390 3 жыл бұрын
You know guys? I do love Chris Columbus's Harry Potter👍He is a good director.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@ahhinchannel3390
@ahhinchannel3390 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective You are right! I found David Yates' Harry Potter is definitely more boring and embarrassing part. He totally ruined it.
@chrisb6943
@chrisb6943 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed with ya brother. Columbus verison of Hp films are making you feel like you are into the book unlike boring Yates one. Yates ditched out too much important scene that shouldve been added in films instead adding unnecessary part and something thats NOT even in the book. Chris Columbus had all the great skills on directing and screenwriting first and second one. Colombus movie for first and second one is also recommended even for those who havent read Harry Potters yet unlike Yates one....
@MOVIESNARD4731
@MOVIESNARD4731 3 жыл бұрын
I m agree bro Chris Columbus must need to bring back now if the want to expand more Harry Potter Universe
@conserztasfia0078
@conserztasfia0078 3 жыл бұрын
@@ahhinchannel3390 yeah me too i wished chris directed all hp movies
@JuxtapositionRed
@JuxtapositionRed 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Chris Nolan directed the last four movies instead of Yates 😦😀
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Lmfao. Then we wouldn't hear any dialog and there would be exposition every five seconds.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just joking. I love Nolan too.
@JuxtapositionRed
@JuxtapositionRed 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective Lol I think it'd be amazing
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
That thought is actually amazing!!
@JuxtapositionRed
@JuxtapositionRed 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective You better believe it bro
@simbelmyne7767
@simbelmyne7767 Жыл бұрын
What a wonderful video! I laughed so much at your simping over Alfonso--me too haha. And putting that picture of Columbus the 16th century guy made me almost spit out my toothpaste!! Really good points, you finally put into words what it is that disappointed me in the later films, that I could never figure out. Thank you for pointing out the explosive emotions that were so inexplicably held back. And I appreciate you not blaming the actors for the odd awkwardness. When I watch scenes that I wish were more engaging, It's almost painful knowing that the actors had so much more to give 😭 Watching 2 and 3 recently I keep noticing the Beautiful and CREATIVE camera work in both of them. (There's a lot of examples but hey how about that quiddich match in PoA? WOW :D) How I wish we could have got the same level of engagement from the camera in later films--the camera is our surrogate--it NEEDS to feel like it cares! I also appreciate you complimenting as well as criticizing. (I also really love the scene of Harry and Hermione dancing in 7, it's such a great moment of friendship. The Godric's Hollow part was good too
@Jasandiz
@Jasandiz Жыл бұрын
4:27 this scene in the books shocked me when I first read it as a child, I could feel totally Harry's anger, it was written in capital letters... in the movies it was just like... did that scene already took place, that was it?
@Arttective
@Arttective Жыл бұрын
Yeah Harry looks like "omg how could you do this to me reeeeeee" in the movie lol
@Anvekeen
@Anvekeen 4 ай бұрын
Most people overlook it, but to me it's amongst one of the worst changes in the movies. I read HP5 A LOT when I was younger, and I was having a tough time and could not only relate to Harry's anger, but also feel amazed that this character that I would look up to would get this angry, especially towards Dumbledore !! No wonder I hated the movie. Among every changes it made, this one was the nail in the coffin. Pretty much a character assassination, remove himany kind of strong emotion, yay.
@xAlexHDx1
@xAlexHDx1 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video, hopefully more people will see this in the future. Just imagine how amazing the series would have been if Cuarón stayed on.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you and yeah that would have been amazing ❤️😍
@brendalewis2835
@brendalewis2835 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t have minded Mike Newell either. I know part four has mixed opinions but I thought it was great
@chancexedward
@chancexedward Жыл бұрын
​@@brendalewis2835absolutely not.
@Casutama
@Casutama Жыл бұрын
@@brendalewis2835 I'd have to disagree. Mike Newell is the one who started the tradition of wanting to make action films with some love drama in between instead of actually telling the actual story.
@simbelmyne7767
@simbelmyne7767 Жыл бұрын
@@brendalewis2835 my top pick is definitely Cuarón but I like seeing people stick up for 4! I think 4 and 5 both suffered from the books being Far too long to condense into one movie, but 4 still feels Alive to me in a way 5 doesn't. There's still parts of 5 I really like, and I hate how much had to be cut from 4 (rip maze sphinx 😔 and the trio banging down Hagrid's door after Rita's article about him) -- But my point is, there's just something about movie goblet of fire that works, even if it's missing stuff. It has this kinetic energy, not the stiffness that starts in order of the Phoenix and just gets worse. It still feels like the actors were connecting with the camera. (in my opinion, the director's #1 job) so we get great moments like Cedric asking how Harry is and Harry just goes "spectacular" lol it gets me every time Not to go off on a ramble about it but yeah, I do actually enjoy 4 quite a bit. My criticisms don't get in the way of that, but with Yates' films sometimes i just get pulled right out of the story :/
@TheSuperNats
@TheSuperNats Жыл бұрын
Alfonso Curan was by far the best director imo. The 3rd movie has so much personality in its film making and editing
@lingricen8077
@lingricen8077 Жыл бұрын
one of the few directors who pushes the medium
@Casutama
@Casutama Жыл бұрын
He put his artistic vision too much above what was actually described in the source material for my taste. It was "Alfonso Cuarón's take on Harry Potter" more than "Harry Potter".
@MetalxLicaxPP
@MetalxLicaxPP Жыл бұрын
@@Casutama All of the movies did that, though. Not a single one was true to the source material.
@Casutama
@Casutama Жыл бұрын
@@MetalxLicaxPP That's true, but I was specifically talking about his artistic vision in terms of design, and nobody else departed from the source material in that sense to anywhere near the extent he did. All directors made decisions that contradict the source material to some extent, but Cuarón made the most blatant departures from the source material stylistically in a way that breaks something about the inherent way that world is supposed to work. He had them run around in Muggle outfits, designed a werewolf that looked more like a horrific creature rather than one where you need to pay close attention to little details to distinguish it from a normal wolf, and came up with the idea of custom-decorated wands, an idea that you find no basis for in canon.
@muhammadharisbinmunir5379
@muhammadharisbinmunir5379 Жыл бұрын
I was exactly thinking that all the time that how can one make a movie at level with 1st 2 with the story of 3rd. 3rd movie made me reimagine the novel (which imo was the dullest in the whole series)
@skeetskeet7041
@skeetskeet7041 Жыл бұрын
“One of the most imaginative stories” “The worst thing to happen to the Harry Potter franchise” *ngl those are some pretty bold claims*
@cheechee6473
@cheechee6473 Жыл бұрын
it’s just an opinion calm down psycho
@MichaelHattem
@MichaelHattem Жыл бұрын
I always understood the fact that Bellatrix didn't move during the Dobby scene in Malfoy Manor is because she simply could not comprehend that Dobby would challenge her like that.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 4 ай бұрын
“A house elf would never do that. My fears of the dark lord finding out that Potter broke into the Lestrange Vault must have addled my eyes.”
@tremblind
@tremblind 3 жыл бұрын
Yates sucked the magic out of the Harry Potter films.
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. You could say that again!
@gaming13x97
@gaming13x97 3 жыл бұрын
yes his style is very cold and dark
@davidd4696
@davidd4696 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Voldemort's rise to power is a magical time..
@ericyoung1478
@ericyoung1478 2 жыл бұрын
@tremblind For the most part, he did. On the other hand, Order Of The Phoenix had pretty decent cinematography, & I also love the flying over London scene in said film.
@srehh5529
@srehh5529 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidd4696 Well he's a wizard who wants to get rid of non-magical people... And Cuaron shows it's possible to make a visually dark film with the magicalness. Cuaron makes HP look like a dark magical fantasy while Yates just makes it look like a boring real world.
@j__h9221
@j__h9221 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis. I've always found something off about the way Yates block scenes. The way he has his actors standing still in flat locked-off shots. It is, as you say, very unimaginative. However, I agree that his filmmaking comes to life in the last film, and I do quite enjoy HP6 as well for it's somber tone and Rembrandtesque look (the lighting and colour grading).
@Arttective
@Arttective 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree!!! Thank you for the awesome comment.
@j__h9221
@j__h9221 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arttective You’re welcome, thank you for the awesome video. :)
@rafaelc.c.
@rafaelc.c. Жыл бұрын
I understand, but perhaps, not all blame should fall on Yates. The editor exists, the cinematographer exists and over all of them, the producers exist. We don't know from who came each idea. Yates certainly has a subtle directing style which lets the script with the images talk by themselves. This isn't either good or bad. About the editing he mentions, sometimes it isn't necessary to make 30 cuts by scene, sometimes the best is to let the camera relax. If not, tell that to The Godfather. However, overall, although I think Yates unifies very well the visions for his films, I agree that sometimes his films feel a bit too lifeless in a certain way.
@jesaispasvraimentquoiecrireici
@jesaispasvraimentquoiecrireici Жыл бұрын
Why did you not mention the Color Grading? It's a major factor to consider when you talk about the visuals. At 12:55, you can see the complete lack of natural contrast created with the lighting of the scene and the grayer and flat color palette on the Yate's version VS Cuaron's version.
@rawdaaljawhary4174
@rawdaaljawhary4174 8 ай бұрын
Really incredible insight and excellent commentary. Your editing is flawless. I never knew filmmaking terms, the purpose of a director, etc. Thank you for helping me understand the movies in a whole, new light.
@rickblaine9670
@rickblaine9670 Жыл бұрын
What I think we were robbed of more than anything else, and in large part because of the Yates movies, is a proper adaptation of Voldemort. The dude is supposed to be a walking nightmare, a creature so wicked and accursed that even the Dementors should pale in comparison. A cold, venomous snake disguising itself as the monstrous parody of a man. And the fact that he WAS once a man, and still vaguely resembles one, should make him all the more terrifying. Yet all we got from the fifth movie onwards was a cackling lunatic. Although, to be fair, he wasn’t that great in the fourth movie either.
@patrikiosvatemanopoulos
@patrikiosvatemanopoulos 4 жыл бұрын
Great job! The prisoner of Azkaban is my favourite of the series. I have no idea why they didn't have Cuaron direct another one.
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I think the reason for that maybe that Azkaban made the least money out of all Harry Potter films. Which is shocking given it is the best Harry Potter film.
@kapitan7357
@kapitan7357 4 жыл бұрын
It was actually cause he wasn't ready to do Goblet of Fire yet and wanted a break before doing another one, but then they felt Yates did good enough to keep bringing him back and he wanted to keep going.
@jovanym2931
@jovanym2931 4 жыл бұрын
Arttective He was going to do IT but Warnerbros did not want to wait too long . But I think the reason that it made the least amount of money since it had a different release date . It was released in summer instead of winter .
@empiregamer1.088
@empiregamer1.088 3 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Shadpoor He also didn't read the book saying it was too long while Christopher Columbus read the books and wrote a screenplay before he was hired and Alfonso actually had Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint and Emma Watson write essays on their character although Rupert didn't do it. This shows Newell didn't have a clue what he was doing really.
@iknoweverything4959
@iknoweverything4959 3 жыл бұрын
Columbus was the best director, they should have had him direct the entire series.
@igcetra
@igcetra 4 ай бұрын
super interesting. nice video! never thought about the stillness and the characters just standing there.. makes total sense.. only comment for you is to lower the volume of the music
@Arttective
@Arttective 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@WritingGeekNL
@WritingGeekNL Жыл бұрын
Mike Newell shouldn't even be in this conversation. Goblet of Fire is, by far, the worst of the bunch. Its only redeeming quality is due to the fact that the book is probably the most exciting of the bunch, but the entire mystery got chopped off in the film.
@jamescam04
@jamescam04 2 жыл бұрын
I think the film with the camerawork I appreciate most is Prisoner of Azkaban, with Chamber of Secrets a close second, then Half-Blood Prince. POA has an open, sunny feel, with a great variety of scenery to take in, and plenty of surprising camera angles. Most of the last 4 films are a bit drab or dark in colour.
@Arttective
@Arttective 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@SUNFlower-tt9zv
@SUNFlower-tt9zv Жыл бұрын
Last four films were actors are like mourning..
@patatedouce9000
@patatedouce9000 Жыл бұрын
So interesting. It helps me to understand why i feel awkward watching some scenes and why the 4 latest films feel slower to me (and even boring sometimes).
@JohnNoirSmith
@JohnNoirSmith Жыл бұрын
I like how the subtitles thinks on several occasions that "David Yates" name is "DVD eights"
@myBquest
@myBquest Жыл бұрын
And yet, is Cuarón the one that receives the most of hate from fans. The man did what he could with whatever was done and had to be done for the future, and he disliked the experience so much that he didn't accept to film the next one and instead brought us the amazing Children of Men. ---Btw, it is funny to me how fans still dare to discuss his abilities, some even mock him, but he happens to be the only director out of this franchise whose movies have been nominated 11 times to the Oscars and won 5 times. I'm just saying I hate how much disrespect certain portion of the fandom have towards him. I actually like most of the HP films, but they could have been better.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 4 ай бұрын
Nope. He and Columbus has the same screenwriter. But did Columbus decline including the exposition from Tom Riddle that he was controlling Ginny? Did he scoff at the whole Diary thing and trim it down within an inch of its life? Cuz that’s a comparison of what Cuaron let slide in PoA when it came to a full backstory history of the marauders and the secret keeper snafu. In fact, come to think of it, the whole Fidelius Charm thing was neither set up in Harry’s Illicit Hogsmede Visit scene (all they deigned to show was that “Sirius was one of the few people who knew where the Potters were and he told YKW!” which is both downplaying how bad “Sirius’s” betrayal was and underselling how tight the security was supposed to be for the Potters) nor brought full circle later inside the Shack where the Fidelius Charm was supposed to protect the fam (you can’t torture the secrets out the SK hs to GIVE IT UP) and that Sirius wasn’t even the real SK. Just for an example of how much the adaptation sucked. Cuaron shouldn’t be the only one booed at while Patrick and David walk free, true, but I draw the line at dissing the latter four movies for bad cinematography or screenplay or both, while pretending that PoA doesn’t at least have massive screenplay problems.
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