Revisiting The FAILURE of The Harry Potter Franchise | Video Essay

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In this Video Essay we break down how the Harry Potter Franchise went through a controversial downfall. Turning one of Hollywood's biggest and most successful film franchises and turning it into a Fantastic Beasts disaster. We leave no stone unturned and deep dive into everything from diminishing returns in the Fantastic Beasts Franchise, the JK Rowling controversy and why Hogwarts Legacy seems to be the only successful venture into the Wizarding World recently.
Can the original trio of Harry, Ron and Hermoinne come back to save this dwindling franchise?
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them (2015)
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (2018)
Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (2002)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (2005)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007)
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (2009)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1 (2010)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 2 (2011)
Hogwarts Legacy (2023)
0:00 - Intro
3:07 - Part 1 (Harry Potter)
14:12 - Part 2 (Fantastic Beasts)
26:06 - Part 3 (JK Rowling)

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@FlickSh0tt
@FlickSh0tt Жыл бұрын
My hot take: It’s ok for franchisees to die once they’ve reached their main conclusion. Star Wars, Harry Potter, Marvel phase 4 has all been beating a dead horse to try cash in as much as possible on already established storyline / universes rather than leaving them be and building the next big franchise
@ggvbayareaoakland5914
@ggvbayareaoakland5914 6 ай бұрын
So true, I got tired of the marvel universe around civil war .. then around the 6th Harry Potter movie It got really dark and lost its flare...
@andrewstrezewski7631
@andrewstrezewski7631 6 ай бұрын
not a hot take tbh
@luclin92
@luclin92 6 ай бұрын
Only issue I have is that marvel should be able to build up a new long form story, but it seems like they are confused with the whole part that they need to make movies that is engaging
@euarduu
@euarduu 5 ай бұрын
At least we sometimes get good stuff out of it, like Andor, Loki, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, etc.
@imperialinquisition6006
@imperialinquisition6006 5 ай бұрын
@@ggvbayareaoakland5914But it was supposed to? It’s based on a book series and was reaching its conclusion. The point is HP should’ve probably left it at the end of deathly hallows rather than making fantastic beasts(at least as some sort of weird prequel) and to be honest the franchise would probably have been more popular for it. Not that the franchise should’ve ended once the tone shifted away from the previous films, as that’s what the books did as well.
@hongjiae
@hongjiae Жыл бұрын
I really thought Fantastic Beasts would be a story about a man who had been outcast from society for being different, who had resigned to the love and company of magical creatures, learning to love humans again and healing from the pain that humans have inflicted on him in the past. And, in the end, even fighting to save humankind. But nope. That story about love did not happen. No character arc for Newt at all. And it could've been such a beautiful story!
@Carolinefdq
@Carolinefdq Жыл бұрын
I would've really liked that if that were the themes presented in the FB movies.
@Red_567
@Red_567 Жыл бұрын
I thought so too. Jacob has more character development than him in the third movie. Newt was just there not really doing anything big.
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 Жыл бұрын
If I ever become a director I would definitely hire you.
@MyShiroyuki
@MyShiroyuki Жыл бұрын
For a series about fantastic beasts, there's very little fantastic beasts after the first movie
@ddm1912
@ddm1912 Жыл бұрын
I think J K Rowling wanted to do something similar to Better Call Saul. In BCS, Saul, Kim, Chuck, Howard etc are the main focus of the show, but it also show the cartel side of things including Gus, the Salamancas, Mike, Nacho, etc in an equally well balanced way without giving them too much limelight. I think if the Fantastic Beasts franchise were a TV show, it could have done the same thing BCS did, making it way better than what we got instead.
@gabrielhart4841
@gabrielhart4841 Жыл бұрын
Ironically Tina was an auror so was probably the most equipped to stop Grindlewald more than a teacher, baker, poltitan and a zookeeper lmao
@GonzoGoesToBitburg87
@GonzoGoesToBitburg87 Жыл бұрын
I hated that. She was like the anti Hermione.
@MrDeothor
@MrDeothor Жыл бұрын
@@GonzoGoesToBitburg87 isn't Ron an anti hermione?
@emhu2594
@emhu2594 Жыл бұрын
I hated Tina. That actress doesn't sell it. Hilarious that JK wrote her off as revenge.
@GonzoGoesToBitburg87
@GonzoGoesToBitburg87 Жыл бұрын
@@MrDeothor yes, but I mean as a strong woman she needs to be rescued way more than Hermione ever did.
@shailonnoelle7175
@shailonnoelle7175 Жыл бұрын
Ppl are more than titles and talents go beyond training with plot armor all is possible
@ThomasWarhammer
@ThomasWarhammer Жыл бұрын
The thing that's so frustrating about the Fantastic Beasts films is that the aesthetic is on point. Wizards in early 1900s New York, long coats and hats works so well.
@chrisstucker1813
@chrisstucker1813 Жыл бұрын
It takes a lot more than costume design to make a good film unfortunately.
@Assmodean
@Assmodean Жыл бұрын
Kind of weird how they forgot that wizards are bad at dressing like muggles but maybe the AD 800 "Merlin" look was just the fashion in Hogwarts in the 90s.
@eduardonevesreis9299
@eduardonevesreis9299 Жыл бұрын
Disagree. Wizards in the books do not know how to dress properly like muggles. Their fashion is stationed in medieval style, because that's the period when wizards went into hiding.
@Lethal_Giggles
@Lethal_Giggles Жыл бұрын
@@eduardonevesreis9299It made sense in America. But not when they went back to Britain
@mlj3347
@mlj3347 Жыл бұрын
I completely disagree. I hate the aesthetic direction towards minimalism/glossiness with the magic and wizarding world vs say, the first movies wizarding aesthetic. It’s bland
@Moeller750
@Moeller750 Жыл бұрын
I feel like there could have been an extremely sweet little movie about magic/muggle friendships in Fantasstic Beasts if Eddy Redmayne and Dan Fogler had just been allowed to do what they did best, and they had stuck to a tight and closed plot
@JMTgpro
@JMTgpro Жыл бұрын
I've always said, after the end of the first movie, what WB should have done was release two sides, two movie series. Newt traveling the world meeting new magical species, such as Indiana Jones, but with animals and another series of films with a tone more similar to the last Harry Potter films (Serious Tone), about Dumbledore and Grindelwald, a series of films with them as protagonists or with Newt's own brother as such, after all, the parallel between Theseus and Dumbledore would be interesting.
@Ex1400
@Ex1400 Жыл бұрын
@@JMTgpro Agree entirely. There should have been two different series of films, merging all together made very little sense and did a lot of harm to the franchise.
@bombush
@bombush Жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more. I felt quite bummed out already at the end of the first Fantastic Beasts movie. I felt the movie had so much potential at fleshing out the wizarding world with little heartwarming or allegorical vignettes tied together with magical creatures and Eddie Redmayne's boyish charm but this element got completely sidelined with the typical blockbuster requirement to end in a huge climax with explosive spectacle in confrontation with a powerful Evil Dark Wizard kind of an antagonist. And I think it would event work out financially - I mean, once you can populate your film with any kinds of cute little fantastical animals, you don't need huge explosions to do well at the box office.
@sreenivaskamath4243
@sreenivaskamath4243 Жыл бұрын
@@JMTgpro exactly. They missed a golden opportunity to expand the larger universe like the MCU. Instead of just five films, they could have developed more with other writers and directors, one set of films focusing on Newt and his adventures and others the conflict between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, with Theseus and Tina acting as threads that connects them.
@lalalucy9497
@lalalucy9497 Жыл бұрын
I've wanted to see more of Harry and Ginny's children (the next generation), and I always wondered why JKR never based her 5 film plan on the CC universe instead? I know the Cursed Child had people feeling lukewarm, but it has some solid characters, and, at the very least, it would still have some connections to the older, well-loved cast.
@doloresfraga5609
@doloresfraga5609 Жыл бұрын
Another important theme of hp was identity. Harry was discovering his family origins, and the world where he belonged. Fantastic beasts could have been about the outcasts of the magic community, the fight for animal creature rights, compassion and heart warming friendships. I always thought that placing Grindelwald on the movie was really a stretch.
@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL
@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын
"Another important theme of hp was identity." This wasn't a theme, this is a common trope. It's part of the hero's journey and it's pretty standard.
@fryphillipj560
@fryphillipj560 Жыл бұрын
​@vgmp But it still was a big part of the story, wasn't it? Both can be true imo.
@adamwarlock8263
@adamwarlock8263 Жыл бұрын
heart worming lol
@doloresfraga5609
@doloresfraga5609 Жыл бұрын
@@adamwarlock8263 my keyboard is set in spanish and auto correct is a nightmare, but glad it made you feel smart. Also I am not a native english speaker. Have a nice day.
@doloresfraga5609
@doloresfraga5609 Жыл бұрын
@@BenderBendingRodriguezOFFICIAL whether is a theme or not it is what gives harry a character Arc. In fantastic beasts no character seems to grow or change. Some characters don't even have motivations, or even proper lines to be fair. I guess my point Is i would have rather engaged with a few well written characters than the mess it was. At least that is my take :)
@ewjiml
@ewjiml Жыл бұрын
The reason why the Harry Potter movies were so successful to me was because each successive film matured with its audience. By the time The Deathly Hallows came out, it had some very mature themes about life and death compared to the earlier films. The films were very unique in that regard. These newer HP films I didn’t even know were related to franchise because the films have been so synonymous with youth. So seeing an adult play the main character made me think it was just another film.
@GS-td3yc
@GS-td3yc 11 ай бұрын
I think the problem is that, It isn't following a goal based journey. If u know the goal, only then will u be surprised by twists. Every Harry Potter book follows a major goal/danger etc that is revealed from the start
@theoutsiderjess4869
@theoutsiderjess4869 11 ай бұрын
That and they were a book first
@quark6847
@quark6847 11 ай бұрын
Totally
@tristynbishop6158
@tristynbishop6158 9 ай бұрын
I never liked the Wizarding World in the first place
@legendofrayquazagaming5125
@legendofrayquazagaming5125 6 ай бұрын
Even the earlier films were mature in their storytelling.
@natanaga9892
@natanaga9892 Жыл бұрын
It's such a shame because I love the first movie of Fantastic Beasts. Out of all the Harry Potter characters, I relate to Newt the most and it's so heartwarming to see his love and passion for magizoology. I would love to see just Newt going around the world with the plots revolved around him and his struggles educating the magical world at large about how misunderstood those animals were. But nooo, we need to dive around this over-complicated plot about Grindelwald while they made Newt standing around like a useless lamppost because the plot literally has nothing to do with him
@rafaelzamudio354
@rafaelzamudio354 Жыл бұрын
Here's what I would have done with the franchise: - Dumbledore vs Grindelwald trilogy - Fantastic Beast standalone film - Creation of Hogwarts - Origins of Azkaban - Beedle the bard's stories animated film (each story with a different animation and told by a different actor) - TV show about the Marauders/First War - TV show about young Voldemort
@anirudhjain2462
@anirudhjain2462 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is actaul enjoyable stuff with a tightly held story to back it. This would have been the smart decision
@dibyanshumohanty
@dibyanshumohanty Жыл бұрын
Do we really need a fantastic beasts movie? Who would be the antagonist? Besides that ur plan is great
@anirudhjain2462
@anirudhjain2462 Жыл бұрын
@@dibyanshumohanty It would be just Newt's adventures that helped him make the book ig
@dibyanshumohanty
@dibyanshumohanty Жыл бұрын
@@anirudhjain2462 as i can see u r a fellow marvel fan, so u know what happens when we have non speaking beast like animals as antagonist, look at eternals...now i know eternals was more than that but ig u get my point, the movie would turn out like a biography and people would be like....nah they are just cashing out the Harry Potter IP
@anirudhjain2462
@anirudhjain2462 Жыл бұрын
@@dibyanshumohanty the problem with eternals was the plot and lack of creativity. With Fantastic Beasts what I would do is make Newt a character who pushes the plot unlike in the movies released.
@Jsjsusi
@Jsjsusi Жыл бұрын
It breaks my heart to see how literally every good franchise from my childhood gets torn apart by incompetent story writers and politics
@mattcollins3591
@mattcollins3591 Жыл бұрын
Hogwarts legacy is great though
@nytesla_punk3327
@nytesla_punk3327 Жыл бұрын
There can be good ways to tell a political message. Just look at TLOU
@Hachigenushoda1
@Hachigenushoda1 Жыл бұрын
Not every franchise gets torn apart. Avatar the Last Airbender is still going strong.
@levydeat
@levydeat Жыл бұрын
Percy Jackson remains
@gaberobison680
@gaberobison680 Жыл бұрын
The franchise core itself is still great! It’s just dumb politics and the modern left refusing to accept anything other than a complete endorsement of their position.
@YayForBoo
@YayForBoo Жыл бұрын
I never understood why Fantastic Beast was the direction she chose. All I have ever wanted to see was the Marauders. Loony, Wormtail, Padfoot, and Prongs at school with Snape and Lily leading into Voldemort’s first rise. Why was that not the choice?
@Lilithly
@Lilithly Жыл бұрын
Many people wouldn't have been interested in that. The marauders were a group of teenage bullies.
@penelopesparrow
@penelopesparrow 11 ай бұрын
Absolutely! I wasn't even a marauders girl, but that time period is saturated in juicy character history and back up stories to the trio's school years. I equally crave it and hope they never do it (bc Rowling and generally no studio is capable of doing a good job now)
@user-ks5cg5cd7m
@user-ks5cg5cd7m 9 ай бұрын
@@Lilithlyexcept that they accepted Moony, a werewolf, who was rejected by the rest of the wizarding world. I don’t think Snape’s memory is an adequate way to assess who they were. Rowling really was a bit convoluted in their treatment.
@hanburgundy4317
@hanburgundy4317 4 ай бұрын
Because James and his friends were bullies and criminals lol Would've been hard for audiences to root for them with James and Sirius "hexing people just for the fun of it" since their first year.
@hanburgundy4317
@hanburgundy4317 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-ks5cg5cd7m We have Snape's memories for reference, which he was hiding and so weren't tampered with like Slughorn's were, so we can be assured that they were accurate to what happened. On top of that, both Sirius and Lupin maintained that James kept bullying Snape behind Lily's back, and that before that James "hexed people just for the fun of it"; hexes are dark magic that usually causes pain and disfigurement and are one step above curses (charms < jinxes < hexes < curses)
@eopurple3423
@eopurple3423 Жыл бұрын
I've watched the first Beasts film and I was like "that was pretty cool, the way the villain and Newt stories connected at the end without them having nothing to do with one and another was actually good, can't wait to see what they are going to do with their possibly rivalry :D" And then I watched the 2nd one and I was like "What the fuck was that???"
@uhuhuh1966
@uhuhuh1966 Жыл бұрын
I’m shocked you didn’t talk about the theme parks, their success is literally mind blowing, completely changed the industry
@robertagren9360
@robertagren9360 Жыл бұрын
It's about children.
@uhuhuh1966
@uhuhuh1966 Жыл бұрын
@@robertagren9360 …..wut lol
@pierzing.glint1sh76
@pierzing.glint1sh76 Жыл бұрын
This video is about the films
@uhuhuh1966
@uhuhuh1966 Жыл бұрын
@@pierzing.glint1sh76 at the beginning of the video he mentioned the power of the entire brand, videos games and Lego’s, etc.
@graffiti.777
@graffiti.777 Жыл бұрын
@@uhuhuh1966 bruh they're rides are fcking amazing!! I heard they're literally making the Ministry of Magic at the new park in Orlando
@joncurtis199
@joncurtis199 Жыл бұрын
Its dead because HP revolved around a set of 7 books that people held dear in their hearts. Remember how insane the book releases got? I remember getting GoF and OotP and the queues were mental. People seem to forget this. You didnt touch this early on in the video when you should have, harry potter was becoming a thing well before the first film came out. Once those books were finished on screen, so was the franchise.
@Kmaitland89
@Kmaitland89 Жыл бұрын
I mean, that's sort of implied. The book franchise was massive, that set up the movies being massive.
@janach1305
@janach1305 Жыл бұрын
I agree. The Harry Potter series was about teenage Harry and his two friends having adventures in a magical school. Everything else was backstory. It was just there to give the main story an impression of depth. No one cares about Newt Scamander and his girlfriend, or Dumbledore and his fascist lover, or Voldemort’s completely unlikely daughter. I suspect JKR would have been fine with letting the story be over. She wrote her masterpiece, and has more money than she can ever spend. But the movie studio cannot let the cash cow die.
@SquadPoop
@SquadPoop Жыл бұрын
I think JK really regrets ending the HP series so definitively. She didn't really leave any room for sequels, she just cut to years later to show that everyone is great and lived happily ever after. Now she wants to make more but there's no room to because things ended so clearly.
@lukawho8503
@lukawho8503 Жыл бұрын
@@SquadPoop thats just good writing.
@joncurtis199
@joncurtis199 Жыл бұрын
@@lukawho8503 nowadays everything has to be written with a sequel in mind.
@CaseyP
@CaseyP 5 ай бұрын
What I thought was so strange about the fantastic beast is the fact that no one asked for it. I remember when I was a teenager going online to read fanfictions and there was thousands of them. The storie about the Marauders, the next generation or the origin of Voldemort were among the most common themes. The studio producers didn't even needed to guess which stories the people wanted to be created next, they litteraly could have gone on google to find out
@TECfan1
@TECfan1 Жыл бұрын
I think they just couldn't choose what they wanted to focus on and too much was happening at once. I think the Fantastic Beasts movies should have been 2 separate series. Fantastic Beasts with Newt going to different countries and going on adventures finding the beasts. And then a different series with the first wizarding world, Dumbledore and Grindelwald. I never understood why they bothered with it being called Fantastic Beasts when that was totally put on the back burner. They could have been cool stories on their own.
@jessip8654
@jessip8654 Жыл бұрын
I really wish we could let franchises go once they've run their course and wrapped up their story. I know a lot of people still enjoy the franchise, but I think a big part of that is that there's not much replacing it. I'm grateful I was able to experience the Harry Potter books/movies as a kid, and I'm sad that the current generation of kids don't have a "legacy series" of their own, just their parents and grandparents moldy old stories repackaged over and over and over again. Like thrice reheated pizza.
@luisoncpp
@luisoncpp Жыл бұрын
There are some, example: Miraculous
@millennialgamer8907
@millennialgamer8907 Жыл бұрын
Fully agree.. Just because it was successful and popular with Harry doesn't mean it will always be popular with random other characters..
@Tapman99
@Tapman99 Жыл бұрын
Most of the stories I grew up on were rehashed fairy tales, legends or victorian children’s stories. That’s just how it works. Big hit new children’s/young adults stories with a long and lasting legacy don’t come along all that often, and they can’t be brute forced into existence. Just count yourself lucky to have live through one. The likelihood is that the HP books will still be being read to children when we are all long gone.
@victorcharles27
@victorcharles27 Жыл бұрын
Star wars?
@BigM5304
@BigM5304 Жыл бұрын
It really sucks how franchises can't seem to end on a good note, since if the franchise is on a good note why end it?
@sloesty
@sloesty Жыл бұрын
The first fantastic beasts and where to find them movie is actually really entertaining and stands on its own legs perfectly fine. Honestly, the two sequels have left a sour taste, but the first one, i can actually rewatch and have a great time every time i do so.
@HAunderscoreVE
@HAunderscoreVE Жыл бұрын
Exactly. The first fantastic beasts movie is a decent spin-off/prequel/addon to the HP universe, that is fun, and shows us more about the wizard world. Then the second and third movies came and shit the bed, making the main character into a super important one for.. no reason other than ''he was in NYC during the thing''.
@MrPizzapoika
@MrPizzapoika Жыл бұрын
The first movie is fine if you turn your brain off and ignore that none of the characters actually developed at all, the plotline doesn't make much sense, and most of the friendly characters barely interact with each other at all even though the movie pretends they have some deep bond and wants you to feel bad when they get separated - these people have known each other for 8 hours total. They're acquaintances at best.
@punklover99
@punklover99 Жыл бұрын
I think fantastic could have been a series, following him around while he documents the creatures. Then maybe do a sequel movie when the tackle the big bad and do the Dumbledore story
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 Жыл бұрын
The first one was average. I think David Yates dropped the ball. It should have been bright and colorful like Philosopher's Stone. I don't know why they shot so many scenes in night time. The movie would have been 10 times greater if the vibe was sunny, warm, island or nature vibe. The American Wizarding World was boring.
@ddm1912
@ddm1912 Жыл бұрын
​@@TomCruz54321 true. They should have brought back Chris Columbus for the first movie.
@jlopez240gaming7
@jlopez240gaming7 Жыл бұрын
Ya know what I’ve always wanted for the Harry Potter universe. I’ve always felt like the wizarding could pull off an awesome horror movie. Like have students from different explore a forgotten place with dark magic only for it to go horribly wrong. The wizarding world should some horror movies thrown in.
@alecrutz6979
@alecrutz6979 Жыл бұрын
there's plenty of places to explore in that regards. anything regarding herpo the foul, the creation of dementors and the original owner of azkaban ekrizdis, Voldemort's school years especially the year the chamber of secrets was opened, the quintaped backstory, any of these things could probably make for some great horror potential, I mean that last one literally ends with a whole family being eaten by the monsters they cursed another family into.
@jlopez240gaming7
@jlopez240gaming7 Жыл бұрын
@@alecrutz6979 see shit like that would be amazing to explore. So much we can see in terms of horror we have for Harry Potter.
@Yuyuxi486
@Yuyuxi486 4 ай бұрын
There is a lot of dark fanfiction in the harry potter world that explore some dark themes
@josephleyian
@josephleyian Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for you to mention how amazing that fight between Voldemort and Dumbledore in Order of the phoenix was integral as it was the 1st real showcase of how powerful wizard fights can be visually represented well on screen :)
@heni63
@heni63 4 ай бұрын
Yeah that was amazing
@monkeypunch8781
@monkeypunch8781 Жыл бұрын
Deathy Hallows Part 1 is actually my favorite of all the movies. The whole tempo is just great and the time for the character developement hardly needed before the final film. The dancing scene gets me every time. I'm very glad that they split the last movie.
@movieoverload
@movieoverload Жыл бұрын
The dancing scene is one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise. Sooo good.
@monkeypunch8781
@monkeypunch8781 Жыл бұрын
@@movieoverload Yeah, this movie has so many great scenes of the franchise in my opinion. The beginning with the deaths of MadEye Moody and Hedwig. The wedding attack. How Hermione started crying about losing Ron. The dance scene. The animation of the story from Beedle the Bard. Dobby's death. Man, I love that movie! 🥰
@Sun.Shine-
@Sun.Shine- Жыл бұрын
@@monkeypunch8781 oh that beedle & bard scene alone is perfection ❤️
@deli5194
@deli5194 Жыл бұрын
same i love the lost in the woods theme. and that song they dance to was my favorite
@deli5194
@deli5194 Жыл бұрын
@@movieoverload sammmmme
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343
@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 Жыл бұрын
It will never not be funny that JK messed up her own lore and rules in the Fantastic Beasts movies.
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 Жыл бұрын
But hey, tell me more about how great of a writer she is.
@plushiesdx
@plushiesdx Жыл бұрын
You make it sound like Harry Potter wasn't already full of plot holes
@Luka1180
@Luka1180 Жыл бұрын
She did not. Not a lot.
@chiarastarias8137
@chiarastarias8137 Жыл бұрын
@@plushiesdx like what plot holes for example? Are they so obvious or am I just blind? Sorry, actually got me thinking rn :D
@maxjares561
@maxjares561 Жыл бұрын
@@chiarastarias8137 dont even bother asking him lol. Clearly just a troll
@arancienne
@arancienne Жыл бұрын
As an adult looking back at the series, I just have one question. Why tf weren't social services called on the Dursleys???
@zacharysheetz3701
@zacharysheetz3701 Жыл бұрын
Watching those old scenes, something remember I like about the character Harry is that he has long bangs. As in, he doesn't show off his scar. It's a subtle visual nod to the fact that he perhaps feels a tad insecure or embarrassed about his fame. Intentional or not, I like that it's there.
@1Katakana
@1Katakana Жыл бұрын
From what I've heard regarding everybody suddenly having long hair in Goblet of Fire. Apperently the actors were asked to not cut their hair between the movies, so that the staff on set could do it instead when the filming was about to begin. However, due to some misscommunication before making this movie, people were under the impression that that hairstyle was what everybody was suppose to have, so no one did anything about it.
@CorporalFriendlyShark
@CorporalFriendlyShark Жыл бұрын
I’m sure I read somewhere that either Daniel Radcliffe or Rupert Grint said yes they were told to grow their hair after finishing film 3 so the filmmakers could decide how to cut and style it at the start of filming Goblet of Fire. So they all showed up for pre-production with long hair, at which point the director decided he liked the look, so they kept it as that.
@laureate90
@laureate90 Жыл бұрын
I think that was just how teenage boys at the time wore their hair.
@stevebragg4256
@stevebragg4256 Жыл бұрын
Heck when I was that age my hair would gtrow crazy fast in just 2 or 3 months.
@BenBoiy
@BenBoiy Жыл бұрын
For most boys in the UK, including myself, this period of time was the longhair phase
@MeowMeow_95_
@MeowMeow_95_ Жыл бұрын
This was also the era on Disney channel where all the boys had that ugly helmet hair with curtain bangs. It was a gross time for style…. The mid 2000’s were weird
@averageadam5001
@averageadam5001 Жыл бұрын
The reason why everyone had long hair on the goblet of fire was because of the new director. Previous films, the cast was told to not cut their hair, so it can be done first day on set. The New Director didn't know this but liked the look. So he had the cast keep their hair the way it was when they showed up. Apparently, Rupert Grint was not thrilled about this 😅
@pm6127
@pm6127 Жыл бұрын
Which is why I just love the 3rd & 4th film..
@axa9696
@axa9696 11 ай бұрын
imo, 3rd film had amazing hair, peak main trio hairstyles. 4th film...
@iantophernicus6042
@iantophernicus6042 Жыл бұрын
13:34. I loved that bit about the attention span of a fork. I think Hermione should like to introduce it to her emotionally stunted teaspoon.
@jez2466
@jez2466 6 ай бұрын
The problem with the Crimes of Grindelwald is not that it is dull and has no plot. The problem is that it makes no sense and has too much plot.
@miraj5569
@miraj5569 Жыл бұрын
I do think that it was very much the books that created the hype around the wizarding world, the movies "just" expanded on it. While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building. I regularly found myself returning to the books for the fillers, the descriptions of life at Hogwarts, small details that made everything come to life. The problem is: she seems to have forgotten that the world building was what made the series work. If you take that away, what you're left with is a pretty standard good vs. evil tale. Nothing terrible, but nothing special either. Fantastic beasts could have worked if they had allowed comfort and wonder to be priorities instead of mindless action. Let's be honest, the world is going to shit and signs of that were there long before the first Fantastic Beasts movie was released. People are desperate for distraction and there is a reason why, for example, Ghibli movies got so much attention during lockdown. Not everything has to have a big plot, sometimes it's enough if it makes you happy. They struck gold with Eddie Redmayne, he could have easily carried a miniseries where Newt focuses on a different Beast every episode. It could have been charming, whimsical and expanded on the Harry Potter lore. Instead we got the action of the last Harry Potter movies without the lead-up. You don't feel for the characters, because you don't know them, you don't care for the world, because it's already chaos, and you don't care how it ends, because, guess what, Harry Potter comes after it, so you kinda already know. The only good things about the Fantastic Beasts films were Eddie Redmayne and Mads Mikkelsen, but sadly they just weren't given enough to work with to actually save the series.
@johnwotek3816
@johnwotek3816 Жыл бұрын
"While Rowling wasn't writing high literature, she was excellent at world building." JK Rowling? Excellent at world building? Man, her entire IP was standing on Hogward. That's like the only thing about Harry Potter: the school with the teenager in the cool colored coded house that sort you according to your personnality. The rest of the wizarding world is incredibly weak and underdevelopped.
@miraj5569
@miraj5569 Жыл бұрын
@@johnwotek3816 Hogwarts isn't all of it, but it's the most of it, agreed. And that was enough to inspire people to the point where adults still put their house in their dating app bio and wish for their Hogwarts letter of acceptance I'm not saying she's a genius, but credit where credit is due
@WinchesterxNL
@WinchesterxNL Жыл бұрын
It's Star Wars with shitty lightsabers. And I'm not saying that as a hater. I do love the Wizarding world. But like you mentioned, if you take the world building out of it, it's your classic good vs evil story. And a lot of it, is incredibly similar to Star Wars. Or at least the first trilogy of it.
@benquadrinaros8692
@benquadrinaros8692 Жыл бұрын
The downfall of the franchise is very sad to see. Guarantee within 10 years we have a legacy sequel
@maree4435
@maree4435 Жыл бұрын
but plot twist: Draco’s daughter is the protagonist, she’s best friends with one of hermione and Ron’s kids (hilarious) and Albus Severus Potter is the villain because his father named him fucking Albus Severus
@randomchannel323
@randomchannel323 Жыл бұрын
A legacy sequel with the original actors would make a lot of money though
@nicholasscales4446
@nicholasscales4446 Жыл бұрын
@@maree4435 Draco has a son named Scorpious and he is best friends with Harry’s second son Albus in the cursed child. While I dislike the Cursed Child for many reasons, I can see it getting adapted to a tv show later on down the line
@maree4435
@maree4435 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasscales4446 thanks for the info, it’s been awhile! the dynamic would be really cool to see regardless. And I agree, it would have been a much better adaptation than whatever Fantastic Beasts was
@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon
@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon Жыл бұрын
That play is somewhat of a legacy sequel.
@ianjohnson1249
@ianjohnson1249 Жыл бұрын
Crimes of Grindelwald has one of THE worst writing in entire film history. It’s really incredible. The out of nowhere reveal about the baby switch, then the even more out of nowhere reveal that that switched out baby was actually drowned in the sea… Hooooo my goooooood
@xavierm3415
@xavierm3415 4 ай бұрын
I remember that at one time in the theater I was so lost in the story that I was just enjoying the great production design...
@jamainegardner4193
@jamainegardner4193 Жыл бұрын
The4thSnake did a video about the Wasted Plotential of the Fantastic Beasts Franchise, where his proposed fix was keeping the first film the same, having Crimes of Grindelwald be just about him and Dumbledore's relationship and their epic duel, then the 3rd film would be Quidditch through the Ages, essentially making the Wizarding World storyline an Anthology series.
@ZolAkechi
@ZolAkechi Жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch fantastic beasts because it’s not hogwarts. The reason Harry Potter caught my eye was because we watched a boy in a bad home who experienced a new world. I was in awe when I saw the castle.
@Karlach_
@Karlach_ Жыл бұрын
Same
@Phantom_Fireside
@Phantom_Fireside 4 ай бұрын
Same
@BryanCostner
@BryanCostner Жыл бұрын
Having J.K. Rowling as the screenwriter of the Fantastic Beasts movie in a billion dollar franchise was the biggest and most tragic mistake that this franchise has ever have. Can't believe they hire her who have no experience in screenwriting to write the damn script
@TheRonnieaj
@TheRonnieaj Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be surprised if her mindset was “if EL James could do it, so can I.” I can’t say I fault the logic, but after 50 Shades, Hollywood should’ve known better.
@nguyenvietanh2152
@nguyenvietanh2152 Жыл бұрын
@@shippendales8543 the films do not just feel like books, they feel like HER books, which are not too well structured either.
@D0MiN0ChAn
@D0MiN0ChAn Жыл бұрын
@@nguyenvietanh2152 At least not after book 4, where it became abundantly clear she straight up refused to work with any kind of editor whatsoever.
@obohip
@obohip Жыл бұрын
Yeah because it’s not as if she didn’t invent the entire fucking universe and wrote all the back story and lord for it
@mcflurry3007
@mcflurry3007 Жыл бұрын
There’s a good reason screenwriters start with shorts and don’t jump to 2.5h feature movies
@RozalinGaming
@RozalinGaming Жыл бұрын
I think your idea of filler is different than what a lot of people think filler is and why people hate it. Coming from anime, filler refers to things that weren't in the original manga or light novel an anime is based on, and is almost always of a significantly lower quality. It's this filler that people don't like, not a distinction between action and non-action.
@nerdbox2026
@nerdbox2026 Жыл бұрын
A lighthearted mini-series about Newt and Jacob travelling and exploring different cultures and traditions around the world and their magical beasts sounds amazing. I think they've struck gold with Newt, he was an incredibly interesting protagonist and I loved his charming quirky weirdness, and from what I've heard, other people loved him too. It's such a shame that he simply didn't have a place in the Dumbledore/Grindelwald plotline, and we most definitely won't see more of him.The only moments I personally considered engaging in the latter 2 movies were of Newt interacting with his beasts or the nostalgic callbacks to Hogwarts. Rowling is no doubt a problematic and controversial figure, and I hope that if there are to be any other HP projects in the future, she realises the impact of her shortcomings, but who knows, she wasn't able to do so even after all this time and only seems to grow more arrogant.
@Sammy-S
@Sammy-S Жыл бұрын
That mini series sounds so good. I really loved Newt in the first movie, so it was a huge shame that the plot of the last two movies had nothing to do with him.
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 Жыл бұрын
Given what Rowling has written about the world and different cultures, it's probably best to not go anywhere near there.
@nerdbox2026
@nerdbox2026 Жыл бұрын
@@mechanomics2649 yeah I wouldn't trust her with any new project at this point.. the world of Harry Potter has grown beyond what Rowling has to offer and it's really sad to see as she goes out of her way to butcher the story we all adored as kids.
@CordeliaWagner
@CordeliaWagner Жыл бұрын
She said nothing wrong. Women need safe spaces exlusively for biological women. Because the self identification is an invitation to abuse it. I am scared of men, I don't want a person who claims to be a woman but has a penis in my Women Only gym. Why are teanswomen so obsessed with invading our spaces and freak out when we don't want them there? Their rights are not above our rights.
@thesaltbaron2237
@thesaltbaron2237 Жыл бұрын
But what is a woman?
@aliciabanister2033
@aliciabanister2033 Жыл бұрын
The only thing I didn’t like about the conclusion of the HP series is the fact that Voldemort basically disintegrates. I think it would have been better for there to have been a body to show that despite everything he did and how scary he was, he was still only human. Not to mention the fact that the last time he just vanished like that he ended up still being alive. I wouldn’t trust it if I didn’t know better
@Megamarod
@Megamarod Жыл бұрын
In the book he does die like a normal person leaving a dead body behind, although in a kinda convoluted way, so I guess the writers for the movie said "fuck it, it's easier if he just disintegrates".
@stephenblack5425
@stephenblack5425 Жыл бұрын
If you look at it the other way around, it make sense there as well. Like, after everything, every atrocities Voldemort has done and the abomination he has become, he is far from being a human but not in a good way like he was some sort of a angel. He doesn't deserve a peaceful human death and proper burial, he was a nightmare or darkness that just disappeared and then the sun rose.
@Megamarod
@Megamarod Жыл бұрын
@@stephenblack5425 idk man I think the general idea of leaving a body behind is precisely that after all, he's still just a mortal who couldn't face death with dignity. Plus like op mentioned people need to see a body for their peace of mind lol.
@NerfsDJ
@NerfsDJ Жыл бұрын
Him leaving behind a body doesn’t fit to his backstory. Since he basically shed his humanity by splitting his soul into multiple horcruxes.
@darthmortem585
@darthmortem585 Жыл бұрын
@@NerfsDJ you haven't read the books. he does leave a body.
@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462
@camelliaharpdarkthrope6462 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for saying that the main core of Harry Potter is love. It's been so frustrating over the years seeing people think that the key to the HP franchise's success was just being a stale story about magic and wizards and Harry being a blank self-insert character in the books. This video is the first time I've seen a youtuber understand why I at least fell in love with the series as a child. I've stopped being invested in the franchise after cursed child came out and I do agree with the criticism people have had of the books since then. I also don't agree with many of the statements JKR has made about the original books and about other creators online, nor do I agree with whatever fucking direction she wanted to take fantastic beasts in. However, I also find it disingenuous when people make long videos on the original series of books or movies and completely ignore how love and friendship had always been the core that made fans so invested in the series and books. This next part is more of a guess on my part because I have little idea on what's going on with Hogwarts Legacy. Had the fandom not fallen in love with the characters who viewed Hogwarts as their home, I severely doubt we would have grown to be so attached to Hogwarts ourselves. Personally, I think one of the reasons Hogwarts Legacy sold so well is because of how dear Hogwarts was to the fandom. It was a place they spent years with and a place many children who are now adults wanted to go to for so many years. It's almost like a promise had finally been fulfilled after years of waiting. Edit: I really don't think the franchise can be "saved" if the OG trio came back and I don't really want them to after reading about the horrible time Daniel Radcliffe had filming The Half-Blood Prince. The series imo is over. JKR had her chance to show that she could expand the lore of the wizarding world with the FB movies and she failed spectacularly to make most people interested.
@KapitalElement
@KapitalElement 5 ай бұрын
Best scene in Harry Potter is the zoomed in shot of his face as he rides the Firebolt into the camera. So good
@Akursedtime
@Akursedtime Жыл бұрын
Focus was the biggest flaw of the Fantastic Beasts franchise. The reason why Harry Potter is so beloved is because we got to see the Wizarding world through Harry's eyes and see his relationships and friendships grow. With Newt, we got one film and he was quickly discarded soon after for the legacy characters. All Fantastic Beasts benefitted was Newt finding new beasts and exploring the untouched areas of the Wizarding world. Like I can imagine him interacting with the Centaurs to the mermaids to see if a creature exists.
@loftus4453
@loftus4453 Жыл бұрын
I miss filler episodes. Buffy had so many filler episodes yet those are some of my favorites. The time spent watching well over 100 episodes made those characters SO endearing. By the time you finish season seven, they are your friends.
@Lethal_Giggles
@Lethal_Giggles Жыл бұрын
The Fantastic Beasts concept was so good. It would have been a great adventure seeing Newt save magical creatures around the world, maybe teaming up with various professors from the other Wizarding schools in order to start an official “Magizoology” field. The entire plot of Gindelwald vs Dumbledore could have just been a subplot that gets expanded upon in a later but altogether separate films. Perhaps in order to tie them together a plot about how Wizarding poachers are collecting magical beast resources in order to prepare for the global Wizarding war.
@Athena-vs4cv
@Athena-vs4cv Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video and spot-on analysis. I know the video is about the movies but I just wanted to mention that I'm sure the Cursed Child had a major impact on people's interest in the Fantastic Beasts franchise. The screenplay for CC was released in the UK July 2016 and the first FB movie was released in Nov 2016. HP fans were so excited for the release of the CC screenplay but upon reading it, it was like a gut-punch for many fans, me included. Well-established HP lore torn to shreds, the adult versions of the trio completely unrecognisable, ridiculously implausible central storyline and repeated re-hashing of HP themes with nothing new of value added. I was like "What the hell is this?!" and couldn't believe was that it was signed off by JKR, who didn't write it but planned the story with the writers and approved the script. That's before you get to the cash-grab aspect of creating a four-act play divided into two separate performances. My point is, after that I believe many fans like me felt rather wary of FB and as it turns out, our concerns were justified. The FB movies were all style over substance. JKR clearly doesn't seem to be that bothered about the quality of her output anymore or is so deluded about her own abilities that she keeps happily churning out sub-par content without considering the critical and fans' feedback. The other problem is, no-one wants their enjoyment of a fandom to become a moral conundrum but sadly, that's what JKR has turned it into. Unlike many authors, it's impossible to separate the HP/FB franchise from JKR's personal views/campaigning because of the financial benefit she constantly receives from it. She has even said on Twitter that, when people accuse her of alienating whole sections of the HP fandom, the royalty cheques make her feel better. And this coming from someone who created a series about acceptance and fighting against prejudice. Anyway, rant over. I'm just very sad about the whole thing. I think they should just leave it where it is and not produce any further movies but I imagine they will eventually 🙄
@jonassorensen347
@jonassorensen347 Жыл бұрын
i would have loved a movie just about Newt and his quest on finding rare animals a home and the zoology in general. mix in some evil hunter or whatever and the first movie would have been a lot better already in my opinion
@CodyJMinor0620
@CodyJMinor0620 Жыл бұрын
You mentioned the reveal of Hogwarts shot. That scene probably has the most interesting story out of any shot from any Harry Potter movie: When Columbus and his editor Richard Francis-Bruce, were trying to find ways to shorten the movie a little and part of that included trying to shorten that scene. John Williams, in all his wisdom, will always take a rough cut over a Final Cut. He went away, worked on the music, and when it came time for the scoring sessions, he pulled a rabbit out of his hat and made a scene that, without music, isn’t interesting and made it interesting. Chris and Richard turned to each other and basically said “Screw trying to shorten this part of the movie, that is staying in the movie unedited.” It’s one of a multitude of reasons why I’m thankful that John Williams was the first composer to work on the series. When any Harry Potter fan thinks about the music, you can always think about the stupendous work done by Patrick Doyle, Nicholas Hooper and Alexandre Desplat, who did phenomenal jobs in helping finish the story, musically, but it’s John music, especially the central leitmotif “Hedwig’s Theme”, that we all identify with as being the identifying music of Harry Potter.
@CodyJMinor0620
@CodyJMinor0620 Жыл бұрын
Kloves did write 7 of the 8 movies, bowing out of OOTP and Michael Goldenberg, who was considered to be screenwriter before Kloves was chosen, stepped in and wrote the script.
@CodyJMinor0620
@CodyJMinor0620 Жыл бұрын
I will defend these two things from all three Fantastic Beasts movies till the day I die: I do love Jude Law as Dumbledore and James Newton Howard’s music.
@norasyikinali6283
@norasyikinali6283 Жыл бұрын
To be fair though, if we get stories of Newt travelling around the world searching for Beasts, that means JK Rowling has to *write* world building on those places he visits as well, and her world building on places other than Britain is... Questionable. At best. Just look at the name she gives Japan's magic school. If they do that, JK will need a team of researchers with her to help not make those places an absolute caricature and cause people to start raising pitchforks for representing their locations badly.
@almamater489
@almamater489 Жыл бұрын
I think we learned that if you want a good villain you should just cast Mads from the start
@asamwapersonal
@asamwapersonal Жыл бұрын
They should have taken us back to the life of Harry Potters parents at Hogwarts, all that drama between snape and lilly , taken us back to Tom Riddle times and ended it with showing us how riddle killed Harrys parents
@LadyDoomsinger
@LadyDoomsinger Жыл бұрын
It would have been relatively easy to work the theme of "love" into the Fantastic Beasts movies; If Rowling had actually had the spine to do something with the alleged Dumbledore/Grindelwald relationship.
@c.w.8200
@c.w.8200 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, why not write that epic lovers to enemies story that she hinted at? Well, China, that's why.
@nathanolson3135
@nathanolson3135 Жыл бұрын
🤮🤮
@OldPirate1718
@OldPirate1718 8 ай бұрын
We don't need woke in these stories...they were meant for kids not adults
@LadyDoomsinger
@LadyDoomsinger 8 ай бұрын
@@OldPirate1718 Kids need moral lessons about tolerance and inclusivity all the more, not less. So they don't turn out like you, when they grow up.
@Stettafire
@Stettafire 7 ай бұрын
She doesn't have the balls. She'll happily blame librarians in the UK and other such nonescence while disregarding the fact that such behaviour from the libraries is illegal in the UK. She'll blame anyone except herself
@TheTrueVirus22
@TheTrueVirus22 Жыл бұрын
The thing that always bothered me most about Harry Potter was that it had all those great ideas and things that haven't been there before but it was rarely explained properly how those things came into existence or how they work. In the original HP series, there was a ton of stuff that could've been explored in spin off films or books. There are so many things I was interested in, like what different spells exist, how do you "invent" a new spell. In the books we learn about very few spells but we literally have a library with hundreds of magic books. Then there are topics like, how was Hogwarts created, how did creatures like dementors come into existence (we have some info about that now, but still), what do wizard societies abroad look like, what kinds of different magic exists etc. So there is a lot. Even background stories for a lot of the characters would be interesting. So when the "fantastic beasts" was announced I was excited because I found that this was actually an interesting aspect and it had a lot of potential but as it was said, in the end it was barely about the beasts anymore and just once again devolved into the classic good vs evil trope.
@livywoodward8666
@livywoodward8666 Жыл бұрын
I would LOVED to have seen a trio of single biopic style films on the marauders, Snape and the first wizarding war. Fantastic beasts could have been a fun spin of as a singular film if it had a PLOT like you said.
@ladyprussia3618
@ladyprussia3618 Жыл бұрын
To this day I am so confused to why they didn't choose marauderers as the spinoff, in the fandom itself, they are just as popular and the original trio reallyy.
@janach1305
@janach1305 Жыл бұрын
Because the Marauders are bullies, and don’t make good heroes if you look at them closely. The hero of that generation is Snape, but he is a tragic hero, who fell into darkness and had to fight his way back out. That sort of story is no fun for kids.
@bitten4life
@bitten4life Жыл бұрын
Because these films are supposed to be light family films, the marauders were Snapes bullies, that was a big part of Sirius and James childhood at Hogwarts.
@mirrynmcwilliams937
@mirrynmcwilliams937 Жыл бұрын
@@bitten4life Snape gave as good as he got, and only got a "hero" plotline because JKR loved Alan Rickman.
@olivej445
@olivej445 Жыл бұрын
@@janach1305 gonna have to disagree, Snape was a bully towards children. If someone bullies you when you’re a kid, you don’t join terrorists, kill a bunch of people, develop an unhealthy obsession with a woman, cause her death and then hate their child. Yeah a real hero 😂
@janach1305
@janach1305 Жыл бұрын
@@olivej445 I knew someone would bring this up. Certainly, anyone who does anything less than perfect as an adult deserves to be punished retroactively as a child. 🙄
@flighttrain1189
@flighttrain1189 Жыл бұрын
I actually kind of liked the first fantastic beasts film it was a cool new story set in a universe that we were already familiar with then when the crimes of grindelwald came out I knew where they were going it wasn’t gonna be about newt or fantastic beasts just a prequel about Dumbledore and grindelwald that sets up the original series
@MountainFisher
@MountainFisher Жыл бұрын
I like the 3rd, but the 2nd is just floating there going nowhere.
@MilkPudding
@MilkPudding Жыл бұрын
Mads Mikkelsen is really perfect for his role. Jude Law and him are the only good thing of the Fantastic Beast series.
@LostWallet
@LostWallet 5 ай бұрын
I dont think the franchise is dead. the success of Hogward Legacy clearly show that there are still people who love Harry Potter. the only problem is that JK seem to no longer realized the reason why people love it in the first place. I dont think she will ever become broke. Hogward Legacy, Universal Studio, and every merchandise from Harry Potter will always keep her rich. but I dont think we can expect any more great story coming from JK. she simply caught lightning in the bottle, and can not re create the miracle a second time. let hope many others creative mind will be able to get the right to expand the franchise in her stead.
@evanmccue736
@evanmccue736 Жыл бұрын
The hair was long in "Goblet of Fire" because the actors were told not to cut it before filming for the hair stylists. When the director saw them after they got back from holiday, he said not to change a thing. This forced them to keep their hair long for the rest of the movie.
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher Жыл бұрын
They also split book 7 in half for artistic reasons, to make the final battle more dramatic and a satisfying ending.
@kutsmacksolucas
@kutsmacksolucas Жыл бұрын
"The first movie didn't age well" My dude, are you kidding me? It's easily one of the best aged movies maybe ever. It has potential to forever be considered a classic for children, for how innocent and earnest it was, even quirky. I marathoned the series again not 2 months ago and was appalled by how well it was executed.
@Justsopeachy
@Justsopeachy 5 ай бұрын
The only thing I can nitpick about the movie is the fact that Harry didn’t cast a single spell the entire movie… and hermione called him a “great wizard” 😂
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 6 ай бұрын
The FIRST Fantastic Beasts movie was good. I really liked Newt Scemander, it was nice to see a Hollywood movie that doesn't have a stereotypically "masculine" man. It was a good spin-off movie, and they shouldn't have made a sequel... especially because the sequel wasn't even ABOUT Fantastic Beasts, it was about Dumbledore.
@tygriscalcutta729
@tygriscalcutta729 Жыл бұрын
JK kind of already dragged the Wizarding World into the mud when she made that tweet about wizards pooping their pants
@Vinicantstopcrying
@Vinicantstopcrying Жыл бұрын
"Made a Tweet that triggered me" - Twatter users 💀
@ericholysword8306
@ericholysword8306 Жыл бұрын
@@Vinicantstopcrying did you even read his comment 💀
@pm6127
@pm6127 Жыл бұрын
@@Vinicantstopcrying lol.. atleast read the comment
@cakestealer5983
@cakestealer5983 Жыл бұрын
With your final question of the video about the original trio coming back, I think it would only work if JKR keeps her hands entirely off the project. Because, lest we forget, even before the current shitshow with trans people, she was retconning characters into being gay, or black, or apparently having the wizards shit themselves instead of having toilets. She finished it with the Deathly Hallows and it should stay that way for her involvement.
@ScarlettOcean92
@ScarlettOcean92 Жыл бұрын
okay but to be fair about the toilets, that's literally not what she said. She simply said that before modern plumbing, wizards could relieve themselves in basically any location and then vanish it. In case you're unaware, that was pretty much how ALL people relieved themselves prior to plumbing except you had to go into a secluded place to do it, and have some way to bury or get rid of it. Hell, look up cases of people crapping in corners of the Palace of Versailles. No one EVER was saying wizards just shit their pants whenever they wanted, completely against all accepted societal rules, because #magic lol
@arvadbarakat9202
@arvadbarakat9202 Жыл бұрын
She didn't talk shit about trans people. All she did was defending women's rights. We don't want Lia Thomas incidents alike to become a norm.
@ratrat9241
@ratrat9241 Жыл бұрын
she was never even being transphobic
@PenguinTuxJunction
@PenguinTuxJunction Жыл бұрын
@@ratrat9241 her comments are transphobic and use the same terminology and ‘fears’ that anti-trans politicians/commentators use. She’s falsely using ‘pro-women’ imagery as a mask. When ppl in the trans community are saying it’s bad, believe them and not non-trans ppl. That’s not up to you to decide if they feel attacked.
@ratrat9241
@ratrat9241 Жыл бұрын
@@PenguinTuxJunction i do believe they feel attacked. i do not believe it’s justified. misunderstanding and overreaction are things that exist. her comments were about specific incidents/problems that we can’t just ignore
@MMT399561
@MMT399561 4 ай бұрын
Just some fun trivia: apparently, the harry potter actors just let their hair grow between movies, so that the people doing the costumes and all had something to work with. Usually, they'd get cut down significantly, but Mike Newell, the director of goblet of fire, just went "yeah thats great, we'll keep it that way." Thats why everyone has long hair.
@freakytostadacartoon
@freakytostadacartoon Жыл бұрын
13:29 I second this. I miss the 20 episodes seasons of shows and long anime seasons too. You get to have more time with the characters.
@mattlau95
@mattlau95 Жыл бұрын
13:27 “filler is not a bad thing” - so true to me! That’s why these days I much more enjoy slice of life k-dramas and animes because they spend a lot of time with fillers to enhance character development and story immersion 😊
@NoneNullAnd0
@NoneNullAnd0 Жыл бұрын
Filler is a bad thing, but I think both of you are confusing filler for build-up. Filler is useless screen time during which nothing relevant happens, while build-up is a point of low-emotion used to empower high-emotion scenes later on.
@plo617
@plo617 Жыл бұрын
​@@NoneNullAnd0 Exactly. True filler, by it's definition, is not good. At most, it's a guilty pleasure.
@Razsac
@Razsac 5 ай бұрын
Filler is definitely bad in movies specifically. Movies should have a good story arc and be able to be good as standalone products, I do not want to watch 2 hours of filler just to make me "more excited" for the actual story i wanted to watch. Every scene matters, every line of dialogue should lead to something, Movies are not books
@baerenonkel
@baerenonkel 4 ай бұрын
Really, Half Blood Prince could've done with being split as well.
@Dmonden
@Dmonden Жыл бұрын
Very good analysis and depth into this video, Defo gave it a like!
@Jack-66
@Jack-66 Жыл бұрын
Was she should stop talking ? She just saying facts
@serendipity4346
@serendipity4346 Жыл бұрын
Man, magic duels could be so complex and interesting, Transfigurations, Incantantions, etc, and instead is two people staring at each other intensively while saying abstolutely nothing.
@PistachioDean
@PistachioDean Жыл бұрын
I think, somewhere along the way including the original series, the wizarding world aesthetic changed as well. I miss the kooky wizarding world fashion etc that’s more prominent in the books and first couple of movies. The FB franchise just looses it completely, through the muggle clothing, even the world it’s set in. I think that looses the magic of the established Wizarding World. There are times throughout the FB franchise where they could have gone full wizarding world aesthetic, as they’re not in muggle presence. Like when they’re in the speak easy in the first movie. Costuming is a big part of the visual side of world building, and I think that’s part of what’s wrong with the FB franchise, personally.
@bryanturnbow8189
@bryanturnbow8189 Жыл бұрын
I think some people fear filler because of anime. Whole season? Just filler episodes? Nightmare.
@pbrunet44
@pbrunet44 Жыл бұрын
This is the reason the internet feels this way about filler. Anime actually ADDS filler that the original creator didn't make because they caught up to the source material and needed to buy some time. That is the worst kind of filler. Downtime that the source material intended to give breathing room is the actually good kind of filler the video creator was thinking of.
@lucaleone4331
@lucaleone4331 Жыл бұрын
I was going to make this exact comment. Not even just anime. Filler is bad bc it's NETWORKS padding out episodes when TV revolved around weekly releases all year. Most anime and non anime simply run far too long.
@tj-co9go
@tj-co9go Жыл бұрын
The whole irony is that usually action is filler, just worse than what people think of as filler, which is something that actually tells us something about the plot and characters. Watch the Battle of the Five Armies to know what I mean. Or actually, don't watch it, since it is horrible movie. And yes, there is a difference between adding content just in between because you run out of source material and just adding more... source material in between. The hobbit is the example of former. But LOTR extended edition just has more of the book, and it is good
@midastouch8307
@midastouch8307 Жыл бұрын
My main issue with splitting the Deathly Hollows into two parts was that it was the trend that Hollywood was doing at the time it was released. Every major IP like the Hunger Games and even Twilight was doing it. My wife had never seen any of the Harry Potter films until a year ago when we binged them all in a weekend. Funny enough, she had the same reaction I did to the Deathly Hollows part one. A lot of it could've been cut and they could've just made a really long movie with an intermission for the final film.
@aleckramer333
@aleckramer333 Жыл бұрын
The problem is is that Rowling is a book author which is completely different than screen writing
@borginburkes1819
@borginburkes1819 Жыл бұрын
They should’ve made a short series about Voldemort’s early years when he was still Tom riddle at school. That’s what I want to see
@ScarlettOcean92
@ScarlettOcean92 Жыл бұрын
honestly it probably wouldn't have been that interesting. Just a bigoted bully getting progressively meaner and meaner and more manipulative and controlling and having a gang of bullies around him for seven years. there's nothing redeeming or interesting about seeing a bully become an all-powerful monster who murders people. There are so many side stories for HP that would be interesting but this one ain't it hahah
@gunkulator1
@gunkulator1 Жыл бұрын
The tried this in the Star Wars universe with the prequels, the story of Anakin. The results are mixed at best. Hard to center your series around a protagonist who gets progressively more evil.
@dxanato
@dxanato Жыл бұрын
Maybe J. K. Rowling wasn't confident about writing a world tour of what Fantastic Beast would have been had Newt travel around the world encountering new beast for his book but also solving the mystery in each place he visited. We would have gotten a bigger view of the Harry Potter world IMO.
@mayorofsimpleton5674
@mayorofsimpleton5674 5 ай бұрын
The more I think about it the sadder it makes me. Could you guys imagine an actual proper series of films with Mads as Grindelwald and Jude Law as Dumbledore? They’re both incredible actors, and there are so many incredible screenwriters out there who could’ve made this a drastic improvement upon the Harry Potter films
@Rhiggins5173
@Rhiggins5173 Жыл бұрын
@13:20 I wouldn't call those scenes 'filler'. Filler is useless, it's the beach episode in an anime, if you take it away the story doesn't change at all. The slow scenes in Deathly Hallows Part I set the tone for the next 2 movies and for me was a moment of tension. The characters didn't break up but they could have at any moment. The fact that they stayed together through it all ties back to that theme of love you mentioned earlier. It was showing that theme of love holding the trio together, despite being at each other's throats. Great video overall, just wanted to add to that one point.
@3twelve206
@3twelve206 Жыл бұрын
13:07 Deathly Hallows Part 1 is actually my favorite of the series. It humanizes and isolates the characters and in a really interesting way. It’s also the only film to not take place at Hogwarts. You truly felt the impact this journey has had on Ron, Harry, and Hermione.
@bangtan396
@bangtan396 Жыл бұрын
I agree
@Denimy0
@Denimy0 Жыл бұрын
+1
@Johnny.1994
@Johnny.1994 Жыл бұрын
Great job man. Quite possible the best video essay I have seen so far. I agree 100% about all your points. I personally knew that the fantastic beasts movies were doomed since they announced a 5 movie plan with no actual plan.. Their biggest mistake was that they got greedy and instead of giving us a well planned schedule they rushed it without knowing where to go with the script. Like they started with FB and said hey we will improvise down the road as we filming. They could have made a plan and produce a Dumbledore/Grindelwald standalone movie trilogy better paced and better scripted, with a standalone Fantastic Beasts movie. Also an HBO Max tv series which partners with Warner Bros for a Tom Riddle rise to power/First wizarding war or the History of the 4 Howgard's founders. They had so much content to take advantage of and they fucked up. The only solution I can think of is finishing FB with a fourth and final movie to tie loose ends and take the L like gentlemen. Then continue with a TV HBO max show with one of the projects I mentioned. But I have not faith at all in them since there are rumors recently that they want a complete reboot/remake of the Harry Potter movies with different actors. Their second option according to the rumors is a Cursed child movie adaptation. Yikes
@robertkaira2566
@robertkaira2566 Ай бұрын
IMO the Fantastic Beasts movie should've been a single movie in the style of a Steve Irwin "Crocodile Hunter" episode with a competent animal wrangler documenting the different magical creatures he comes across. That or a mini-series in a comedic "wizard mockumentary" style with a pretty competent but bumbling zoologist guiding a documentary team through his (not always safe) encounters with different magical creatures. Very light and humerous.
@tylermunday2146
@tylermunday2146 Жыл бұрын
I've been wanting a high budget show set in the wizarding world. My pitch is a show set in modern day following an auror and their adventures. In my mind this could revitalise the franchise kind of like how the mandalorian gave fresh energy to starwars. This modern setting and auror lead opens it up to bring legacy characters back if need be i.e harry potter seeing he becomes an auror later in life. I also think a show would give us more time with characters then the movies can provide.
@Jirizo1
@Jirizo1 Жыл бұрын
I dont see any future HP media straying away from Hogwarts again.
@shanekeenaNYC
@shanekeenaNYC Жыл бұрын
@@Jirizo1 I think if they had more of a research element to it, then it would be great.
@JerkWarlord
@JerkWarlord Жыл бұрын
I loved FB1, especially its unique protagonist and his eccentric relationship with the world both as a muggle and as a magizoologist, AND his almost-over-the-top loving relationship with his "fantastic beasts." I found CoG & SoD disappointing first and foremost because they sidelined Newt. I agree obviously Rowling was looking to tell the Dumbles/Grindles story, and I understand your suggestion that instead the series should've done away with Newt after the first movie and focused just on the Dumbles/Grindles dynamic. But I think there's an even more interesting alternative that's all the sadder they didn't go for. Use FB1 as the springboard, or first movie in the series, for *two* series. Have it split into, on the one hand, yes, the Dumbles/Grindles story, and on the other... honestly I picture a series of almost Hercule-Poirot or Benoit-Blanc mysteries where each one is a separate installment set in a different corner of the world and basically the only recurring character IS Newt. To my mind, that's a golden concept, and a better opportunity than anything else that came before to nigh-limitlessly expand and worldbuild in Rowling's Wizarding World. There would have to be some loose throughlines through the series and probably a handful of other recurring characters, but the general idea would be to invoke those sorts of mysteries, only using that framing as a vehicle for the audience to join Newt on his adventures and learn about Fantastic Beasts ALONGSIDE him. The end of the series could be him writing the textbook. That done, a CoG or SoD with Newt as a side character COULD STILL work. Both series could be stories playing out simultaneously, with loose influences in one on the other, and potential for crossovers. It'd have the additional benefit of producing more money for the studios and being something the fans could really sink their teeth into. It'd be an MCU-*esque* approach, but limiting the scope of the crossovers to mitigate the whole "it's all connected, all 47,628 properties, and if you don't consume them all you won't understand #47,629, fuck you pay me" aspect. Newt as a spy or undercover agent of Dumbledore's for example, that maybe, frankly, Grindelwald never even meets or knows about -- Dumbledore's secret ace up his sleeve -- Is something I wish could've been explored a lot more, too. I think there's a very realistic and grounded approach to espionage that could be applied with the FB films following Newt's global travels documenting "fantastic beasts" while conveniently completing a small sideplot mission for Dumbles, without carrying the actual baggage of the war. In turn, those small missions of Newt's would have plenty of major implications in the Grindles/Dumbles war story, where the "baggage" of the war actually has the space it needs to be properly explored. In turn, the brewing conflicts could serve as a poignant backdrop for the otherwise lighter and more joyful FB films, where Newt's travels occasionally require him to be mindful of that. For a socially awkward quirky dork like him it could've made for a really interesting way to explore his character and create more serious tension in otherwise mostly lighthearted adventure stories, I think. EDIT: Lol I wrote this comment halfway through watching the video; Later on, you suggested something similar haha
@yrooxrksvi7142
@yrooxrksvi7142 Жыл бұрын
You lost me at using Roundhead Johnson's cringe pseudo who dunnits
@JerkWarlord
@JerkWarlord Жыл бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Ooh you're cool ain'tcha? 😂
@calumgardner6936
@calumgardner6936 Жыл бұрын
What I like about Hogwarts Legacy that Fantastic Beasts maybe could’ve really done with is that it’s perfectly balanced in terms of tone & feel in that you get all the major recognisable elements of the wizarding world such as locations, spells & lore etc to pull on your nostalgia strings but it’s all been majorly revamped & embellished to provide a real breath of fresh air and a more unique experience from the films, but most importantly (although I’m only halfway through it so couldn’t say for sure) the story has a lot of intrigue and is clearly going somewhere which as you brilliantly made out Fantastic Beasts does not Also in terms of the big and small screen even, I do believe they could another movie or an HBO series but have it from a brand new writer & director to the franchise that still know it inside & out and don’t need to go to J.K. for any guidance, a bit like with Star Wars what Jon Favreau & Dave Filoni did with The Mandalorian and Tony Gilroy with Rouge One & Andor
@AbyssDuelist24
@AbyssDuelist24 8 ай бұрын
I forgot that I had watched crimes of grindleworld movie until I saw clips from it in this video that I recognized. That's how confusing the movie is
@connerjessop8422
@connerjessop8422 Жыл бұрын
7 prt one is the best movie in the series in my opinion. The atmosphere of hopelessness and despair, and having to persevere. through that is so good. Very post apocalyptic vibe.
@uhuhuh1966
@uhuhuh1966 Жыл бұрын
I looove that one, it’s in 2nd place to me next to Azkaban, I can’t stand it when people say it’s bad it’s a dramatic masterpiece.
@shcdemolisher
@shcdemolisher Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was a great vibe, I loved it.
@Johnny.1994
@Johnny.1994 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the only one out of the 8 movies I genuinely disliked was Half Blood Prince. Only good part of the movie was Tom's flashbacks and Dumbeldore's team up with Harry
@uhuhuh1966
@uhuhuh1966 Жыл бұрын
@@Johnny.1994 OOF they really dropped the ball on that one, trying to make it a Twilight esque teen romance 🤮
@Johnny.1994
@Johnny.1994 Жыл бұрын
@@uhuhuh1966 Agree, they prioritized twilight romance over storytelling. This was a problem in Goblet of fire too but it was generally a much better film than HBP
@ap4702
@ap4702 Жыл бұрын
This is not just exclusive to Harry Potter. When it comes to the success of major franchises, the most important thing found are characters and their relationships and themes. Then the world building comes second. It's how Harry Potter or ATLA have become timeless because the themes within those characters being so strong will forever be relevant.
@Ivbo
@Ivbo Жыл бұрын
Harry Potter isn’t dead on the big screen, the new movies are just terrible films. If Hogwarts Legacy is any indication, if they released a solid movie in the HP universe it would make soooo much money.
@alexesposito6824
@alexesposito6824 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you for your hard work.
@ChurchoftheLatterDayShrek
@ChurchoftheLatterDayShrek Жыл бұрын
I feel like Fantastic Beast should've been primarily about the Fantastic Beast themselves. If I were to rewrite it I would make it an exploration of the various magical creatures in the Harry Potter universe. Maybe the villains would be Muggle poachers who got their hands on Magic infused weapons given to them by a rouge wizard.
@trey3rob
@trey3rob Жыл бұрын
This is exceptionally well thought out and very well presented, and I also found it extremely fair and accurate very very well done
@trey3rob
@trey3rob Жыл бұрын
Hey, I’m a big fan of your channel! I recently also watched your recent marvel reviews and I would really love to see videos about what it is that you need to see from marvel post a meh phase 4 for it to be a success. I feel like you would be able to give a really solid assessment. and also from maybe James Gunn’s new DCu if you’re a DC fan.
@WorldOfArtWorld
@WorldOfArtWorld 4 ай бұрын
"Darker" doesn't always mean "More mature".
@jdbb3gotskills
@jdbb3gotskills 9 ай бұрын
I wish Rowling would’ve written fantastic beast into books first. Then turn them into movies.
@MattyGJoker
@MattyGJoker Жыл бұрын
Main problem with filler is in my opinion when an entire TV series episode is dedicated to it. You wait a week to see the plot develop further, you expect your patience to be rewarded with the world developing, but instead you have to wait yet another week to get some genuine escapism from your actual life. In film it's not so bad, though the middle thied of Avatar 2 was painful inertia.
@ZeroKitsune
@ZeroKitsune Жыл бұрын
It's definitely a problem when it feels like the overall story grinds to a screeching halt, but I think it's important to establish what the characters' lives are actually like and what kind of things might happen in the world around them outside of the main plot stuff.
@princesskatebabe
@princesskatebabe Жыл бұрын
I love Newt and will miss him! But I feel the problem is The Fantastic Beast story don't have an over arching story with main plots therefore it will never be consistent. Additionally, I don't understand why the FB movies would follow Dumbledore & Grindelwald. Now I kinda understand why Dumbledore would want Newt because you know he does what is right & doesn't care for power. But overall, FB movies are not good for the Dumbledore & Grindelwald story. But I did enjoy the first one & that could have been a one & done with a new series that follows Dumbledore & Grindelwald that Newt would be in but not the main character. They should have called it something else & if you wanted beast in then throw some beast that make sense to the story. Although I love Newt, I don't understand why he's the main character when you want the Dumbledore & Grindelwald main story? They need to write an over arching story then build the scrips from there. It's alright to make some changes but the main story should be present in every movie. Edit: I'm sad that Eddie & Jude will be gone. I love Eddie as Newt & I loved Jude as young Dumbledore.
@movieoverload
@movieoverload Жыл бұрын
Eddie and Jude as these characters was perfect casting. Everything around them just crumbled unfortunately.
@1983horizons1
@1983horizons1 Жыл бұрын
Had Fantastic Beasts just been an intentional one-off movie like Rogue One I feel like we'd have a different Harry Potter franchise right now.
@Grace-ix6oc
@Grace-ix6oc Жыл бұрын
I think it would be cool if they didn't focus on movies, but a tv show. An interesting prequel idea would be if they had the Marauders in their school days with James, his friends, and other Hogwarts students. This would be able to appease Harry Potter fans by having a cast of characters they already know (without having to worry about casting actors from the movies), references to the universe, being in a familiar setting, and plenty of opportunities for the characters to get into lighthearted fun while also showing how it was becoming a dark and dangerous time under Voldemort's rise to power as they get older. This could add depth to the Harry Potter lore and timeline. I think it would've been a great idea if they had good screenwriters, actors, and enough financial backing, which I don't think they'd have a problem getting.
@AquaFan1998
@AquaFan1998 Жыл бұрын
Ngl i liked that they split deathly hallows in two since it would feel rushed if all of it was forced into one movie and it helps the battle of hogwarts to be longer and better. In the book it was kinda short and underwhelming so i was glad the movie made it longer and added more to it
@TheParchedFilms
@TheParchedFilms Жыл бұрын
Deathly Hallows needed two parts. I wouldn’t class Part 1 as filler. In the book the trio (and duo) travelling around with the tent is my favourite part; it really sets in how f***** they are, and how alone
@TheParchedFilms
@TheParchedFilms Жыл бұрын
The tent parts of the book and film are the most beautiful parts of the franchise, you see them, laugh, cry, hate and love. The characters really go through the motions.
@JusticeSolaris85
@JusticeSolaris85 11 ай бұрын
Plot holes, very useful spells that disappeared from Fantastic Beasts to Harry Potter, every wizard or witch dressed as muggle (Dumbledore is a banker now) when in reality wizards haven't the slighest idea how a muggle dresses, Newt and Tina that act like a teen would do, when they're more than 30. Dulbledore that knows about The Room Of Requirements when in reality he discovered it only in 1994 during The Goblet Of Fire. Fawkes is the "HP bar" of Credence's remaining life but during The Hald Blood Prince, he did absolutely nothing with Dumbledore. Dumbledore and Grindelwad did a blood pact so neither of them can attack the other, but somehow they managed to do it, resulting in Ariana death.
@StormStar626
@StormStar626 Жыл бұрын
If you wanna look at Fantastic Beasts as a failure that’s fine, but to even suggest that the Harry Potter Franchise has “dwindled away” is so far off the mark, the franchise has only gotten stronger in the last decade and even inspite of controversy and the recent sales of Hogwarts Legacy proves that; it isn’t just; “doing well” it’s one of the highest grossing games in recent years and that’s just within 4 weeks of being released! And I was in Universal Studios a couple of weeks ago during one of the quietest parts of the year and the Harry Potter world sections were by far the busiest parts of the park. You can say the fanfare has died down, but just because you say something doesn’t mean its true and that could not be further from the truth.
@zema9401
@zema9401 Жыл бұрын
The boycott for Hogwarts Legacy worked so well that it became the Number 1 best-selling game for a few months. Great job, guys.
@buster5661
@buster5661 Жыл бұрын
tbh im just waiting for the switch rom, cant afford to spend 60+ dollars
@elisehalflight
@elisehalflight Жыл бұрын
It was going to do well anyway, people care more about entertainment than about human rights
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 Жыл бұрын
Gamers are the dumbest fan base; I say this as a hardcore gamer myself. There's a reason why microtransactions, loot boxes, games as a service, unfinished bug-ridden games flourish in the industry. If Samsung released a bug-ridden phone where you can't access your Contacts, nobody would buy it, and the company would stop making it. But in gaming, garbage games keep making HUGE profits.
@zema9401
@zema9401 11 ай бұрын
@@elisehalflight A ok-ish game and author of childrens books wont take away anyones rights.
@elisehalflight
@elisehalflight 11 ай бұрын
@@zema9401 True, political action will. Which are both being carried on by said author and the director of the developing studio. It seems to be working tho', have you seen the sheer amount of prohibitive laws being proposed this year?
@patrickhackett7881
@patrickhackett7881 Жыл бұрын
I am part of the HP fanfic fandom which has become very different from the larger fandom, especially after 2019 when a new generation of fanfic authors/readers that refuse to read the original books (to spite JKR whom they disapprove of) came upon a Marauder-Era fic (All The Young Dudes, commonly abbrev. ATYD) that covers the life of Remus Lupin but gives him a very different characterization than in the books. They regard that as the ultimate fanfic and wrote fics based on it instead of official Potterverse content. Then there was a joke challenge to write content about James Potter and Regulas Black falling in love, again to spite JKR's official 'canon'. It went viral on social media and a lot of (probable) teenagers started writing "Jegulas" romances. Now to them, Remus was raised in an orphanage and is a bad boy. He is also dyslexic. He is gay and loves Sirius (which to be fair, was already long established in the HP fanfic fandom since before the Order of the Phoenix book was released). Lily loves Mary MacDougal and James loves Regulas not Lily. Regulas and James raise baby Harry together. Also readers are so desperate to get new Jegulas content from authors writing fics for a HOBBY that they harrassed the authors to release new chapters faster. The authors responded by "going on strike," as they called it, for the entire month of November 2022. I got this info from veteren fanfic readers and writers complaining about the new developments, because I couldn't read more than a few chapters of ATYD because it's not from the viewpoint of the Remus Lupin I know from books and earlier fanfics, but from a different character named "Remus Lupin." Many fans of the old Marauder era fics cannot stand the new generation of fics with the exception of "The Last Enemy" which is genuinely 'canon compliant'. In the HP fanfiction subreddit, Cursed Child was and is hated, the third FB movie was pretty much entirely ignored, and even the pinned thread about Hogwarts Legacy (which has been up for DAYS) sees less engagement than any post bashing or praising Severus Snape, or a post about who would win in a war, Muggles or Wizards, or a prompt about a crossover between Harry Potter and the Matrix, or a post dumping on a fanfic almost everyone hates or claims to hate like "Harry Crow" or "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality." The HP fanfic fandom generates its own content, even the subfandoms who still regard the original seven books as 'canon' and complain about [insert character here] being written 'Out of Character' (OOC) in a lot of fanfics.
@jaco3394
@jaco3394 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this explanation! I've been reading Marauders fanfic on and off for about 15 years so I'm probably considered a 'veteran' reader and I recently started reading more fanfic again after taking a long break from it. I was so confused why there was so much Jegulus fanfic all of a sudden 😂 It's interesting to see in general, you can definitely tell that there are distinct differences between new and older Marauders fanfic and I tend to stick to 'canon-compliant' characterisations (which, to be fair, is a very lose term because there's barely any for the Marauders to begin with) but I can still find plenty of stories to read.
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