The Many Attempts at a Dinosaur Western Film

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Күн бұрын

There's a lot more to the story of The Beast of Hollow Mountain and The Valley of Gwangi than I initially thought. So today, I want to go through what I missed from the last time I talked about dinosaur western movies.
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0:00 Introduction
2:24 Gwangi
4:54 A Boy and His Bull
8:17 The Nassours
14:36 The Valley of Gwangi
18:55 The Return of Emilio and His Bull
24:42 Conclusion
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@elecspark Жыл бұрын

I'd actually think Gwangi could be remade for today and be awesome to see. Let the dinosaur movie world flourish!

@orionmclaughlin5680 Жыл бұрын

Maybe more could be added on to the story of Gwangi. Maybe adding more dinosaurs (like Dromaeosaurids, Sauropods, Ornithopods, ETC) to expand on the Ecosystem of the Valley of Gwangi, or perhaps there could be an explanation for why the dinosaurs are still alive.

@orionmclaughlin5680 Жыл бұрын

In a remake, these dinosaurs could appear: Returning species: • Descendent of Eohippus • Descendant of Pteranodon or Geosternbergia • Descendent of Ornithomimus • Descendant of Giganotosaurus (Gwangi) • Descendant of Styracosaurus New species: • Descendant of Saurornitholestes • Descendant of Alamosaurus • Descendant of Corythosaurus • Descendant of Anzu (Oviraptorosaur) • Descendant of Austroraptor • Descendant of Ceratodus (Lungfish) • Descendant of Gorgosaurus I'm aware that most of these are from the USA and Canada instead of Mexico, but they're the same landmass, so it doesn't matter too much.

@minicle426 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they'd make Gwangi into a more sympathetic figure. Since in the original it was just an animal taken forceably from its home and ultimately ends up being punished for it. 🤔 It's a similar problem I had with Ymir from 20 Million Miles to Earth.

@pyrrhusofepirus8491 Жыл бұрын

⁠@@orionmclaughlin5680I don’t think there should be an explanation for why the dinosaurs are still alive, it’s ultimately useless information and wouldn’t affect the story aside from a brief bit information, especially since its a film about cowboys. Though you could do a cool, stylised explanation of the dinosaurs from a native chief or shaman or something.

@pyrrhusofepirus8491 Жыл бұрын

@@minicle426Gwangi burning alive in the cathedral is one of the most iconic moments from the film and it helps make it a very sad ending. Imagine if there was a King Kong movie where Kong is just towed back to Skull Island, it’d have none of the emotion.

@Suchomimus65 Жыл бұрын

I watched The Valley of Gwangi for the first time recently. While it mostly felt bland to me for the first two acts or so (save for the professor and the introduction of the Eohippus), the second they enter the forbidden valley the film goes crazy, and I loved it. Gwangi is extremely charismatic, and he’s now one of my all time favorite cinematic depictions of a dinosaur.

@minicle426 Жыл бұрын

When it comes to Harryhausen movies, it's his creatures that end up being the stars.

@tehredmage Жыл бұрын

It's honestly heartbreaking that Emilio and his Magical Bull has become lost media

@kingofwingo 7 ай бұрын

#releasetheeimiliocut

@midwestmonster9886 Жыл бұрын

Valley of Gwangi is a fun film. I saw it at a local theater some years ago. There's even a reference to it in Jurassic Park. The tyrannosaurus catches the gallimimus in the same way that the allosaurus catches the ornithomimus.

@ShadeMeadows Жыл бұрын

This channel really makes me want a modern Dinosaur Western!

@zerpblerd5966 Жыл бұрын

Cowboys vs. Dinosaurs

@dwaneanderson8039 Жыл бұрын

The closest one I know was Tremors. It wasn't really a dinosaur, and it wasn't exactly a western, but it was a great movie. If someone can make a true Dino Western as good as Tremors, that would be awesome!

@FosukeLordOfError Жыл бұрын

I know it’s inaccurate but that old school trex animation style is nostalgic

@KingMoon110 Жыл бұрын

A Valley of Gwangi Remake like the Peter Jackson King Kong remake could be really good.

@prehistorichero2755 Жыл бұрын

If there’s a Velley of Gwangi remake, the movie would’ve been more heartbreaking when it treated the titular character as a heavily misunderstood animal, much like Peter Jackson’s King Kong, and humanity’s beliefs is the one to blame when they either release the animal from captivity and killed him regardless.

@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 Жыл бұрын

Nah. Thats the main point from the movies. The similar thing possibly can be applied to rhedosaurus too, animal from long gone era suddenly put in confusing situation around modern human cities

@prehistorichero2755 Жыл бұрын

@@prasetyodwikuncorojati2434 But that’s just the point. Many wild animals have been confused when entering human cities because they’ve never been there before.

@RoseWaltz Жыл бұрын

it makes me sad the Gwangj didn't do well - it's one of my favorite movies

@Enshohma Жыл бұрын

Awesome to see this revisited material earlier than expected.

@boogerman908 Жыл бұрын

I'm not even a huge fan of dinosaurs these days but goddamn do I appreciate your consistency and depth.

@AstaraelDarkrahBlack Жыл бұрын

I'm actually writing a fantasy dinosaur western story right now. 😂

@FiddleWiddle Жыл бұрын

Hope it comes out great 🙏

@randomgeekstuff2570 Жыл бұрын

Funny I'm actually working on one lol

@krisgunderson8506 8 ай бұрын

Write it for the screen!

@user-fu6bi1jv4g Күн бұрын

I saw THE VALLEY OF GWANGI on the big screen when it was released in 1969, I was six years old. It left an indelible impression on me that’s lasted to this day. It remains one of the greatest dinosaur films ever made, and I’ve written about it in different contexts for Scary Monsters magazine.

@HuskeD9 Жыл бұрын

It would be great to see a classic stop motion dinosaur movie in the future. Ik it'll be unlikely with everything being CGI or practical but it would be a great callback and with go-motion effects to give it motion blur it'll be great

@CRUELLANDER Жыл бұрын

Honestly I would love to see a Remake of Gwangi but I wouldn’t want a live action adaptation, instead I’d want to see the remake still implement stop motion animation but entirely fully animation like for Example Coraline, Paranorman, Frankenweenie, the corpse bride, the missing Link, & Kubo & the 2 strings. I wouldn’t wanna see it live action because idk I just prefer the more artistic style & look of stop motion animation for a Valley of Gwangi Remake.

@garrisonnichols807 Жыл бұрын

Oh wow! I loved Dinosaur films when I was a kid and watched alot of these films. My favorite was 1960 Dinosaursus.

@CeratosaurL Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed beast of the hollow mountain! I thought the story and dinosaur was pretty good.

@randomgeekstuff2570 Жыл бұрын

I loved these movies, recently been working on a western dinosaur story of my own because of them.

@jamieteller1610 Жыл бұрын

I wrote the article "My 50 Most Wanted Films" cited in this video! I'm still holding out hope that Emilio might turn up someday!

@kade-qt1zu Жыл бұрын

We really need more media that explores the idea of dinosaurs in our world. Sure, it is sort of a dated concept, since we now know it's impossible for non-avian dinosaurs to have survived the K-PG mass extinction, but I still think it needs some spotlight. Heck, if you don't want to go that route, just make it so that people cloned dinosaurs and integrated them into society. Would people raise dinosaurs like Nasutoceratops as meat, and start a whole Dino-meat industry? Would they keep certain dinosaurs as pets? Would people create new breeds of dinosaurs like how we created breeds of dogs and cats? I NEED TO KNOW.

@royjacksonjr.4447 Жыл бұрын

"When the state of Alabama introduced Sauropods🦕 into the Department of Highways, the Kudzu vine was no longer a problem." From my imaginary film: "Living With Dinosaurs."

@minicle426 Жыл бұрын

Anyone remember Cadillacs and Dinosaurs?

@Guyverman01 Жыл бұрын

We deserve more dinosaur movies that aren't Jurassic Park or direct-to-DVD Asylum shclock.

@Egotesticle558 Жыл бұрын

Nice documentary Diego. I could say this is at least 90% factually presented as with much of the information you've reported I too have read from various sources. Here's another tip too! The original ending to O'Brien's Gwangi (where the character forces Gwangi off a cliff in a truck) was later referenced in Jack H. Harris Dinosaurus! (1960), with a dinosaur against a man in a machine (steam shovel). O'Brien also did work as a technical consultant on Dinosaurus!, but remained uncredited. Harris knew O'Brien and asked his help on the conception of the dinosaurs, which were built by Obie's friend Marcel Delgado and animated by Project Unlimited (Wah Chang, Gene Warren & Tim Baar).

@joshuaW5621 Жыл бұрын

This channel makes me very interested in old movies.

@gerardsaretsky5630 4 ай бұрын

Ray Harryhausen said that Willis O Bryan’s title for his movie idea was “ Valley of The Mist”

@nv_spartan1771 Жыл бұрын

I love Valley of the Gwangi.

@elihuguzman9417 Жыл бұрын

Nice video! It would be great if you talk a little bit about the action figure series Dino Valley. I remember seeing them in my local store one decade ago, maybe there's an interesting story behind them.

@miquelescribanoivars5049 Жыл бұрын

Yay here very early!

@TroyTheCatFish Жыл бұрын

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@danirizary6926 Жыл бұрын

New Dino Diego! Yay!

@deboralee1623 Жыл бұрын

seeing the RKO Radio Pictures logo reminds me 1) of my copies of it on T-shirts and sweatshirts, 2) of it being a mural in what some of us called "the Melrose building", and 3) 🎶...To the late-night double-feature picture show by R.K.O...🎶

@samwill7259 Жыл бұрын

We got a full on Cowboys vs Alien movie in the 2010s And not Cowboys vs Dinosaurs?! What the hell kind of society are we running here?!

@bryangarcia5599 Жыл бұрын

Actually, we _did_ get _Cowboys vs. Dinosaurs_ ( a.k.a. _Jurassic Hunters_ ) in 2015 - but, well, it may not be the _Cowboys vs. Dinosaurs_ you're looking for. I mean, Eric freaking Roberts is the lead, if that tells you anything.

@zerpblerd5966 Жыл бұрын

Eric Roberts isn't the lead and it's a pretty good movie, I recommended it above ( :

@bryangarcia5599 Жыл бұрын

@@zerpblerd5966 You mean the poster _lied!?!_

@zerpblerd5966 Жыл бұрын

@@bryangarcia5599 did it say starring? haha, or just show his picture?

@bryangarcia5599 Жыл бұрын

@@zerpblerd5966 All the promotional material and write-ups begin with 'Starring Eric Roberts', and he's top-billed on the poster and all versions of the home media cover art (second-billed actor: 'T-Rex'). It's as if the filmmakers _really_ want you to know 'We spared no expense - we got _Eric Roberts._ You know, that guy who will seemingly do _any_ crapcan film? Yeah, we got _him'._ (Yes, I know the whole top-billing thing actually just means Roberts had the best contract, but he's also the only real 'name' in this thing, with the arguable exception of Vernon 'Bennett from _Commando'_ Wells - who gets third billing _behind_ T-Rex.)

@larrymrobinson1051 10 ай бұрын

I went to see Valley of Gwangi in the movies when it first came out, there were very few people in the audience!

@sinnamone806 Жыл бұрын

I would actually prefer if they remade the valley of gwangi with stop motion and kept the design for gwangi

@jacobcox4565 Жыл бұрын

If Valley of Gwanji gets a remake, Gwanji also has to have an updated design. I'm pretty sure Gwanji was an Allosaurus, I think the remake should change Gwanji into an Acrocanthosaurus, or a similar Carcharodontosaurid, because I don't really see an Allosaurus being able to realistically take down an Elephant.

@WhatDillionYT Жыл бұрын

I would also like to see a modern dinosaur movie with a old dinosaur design.

@minicle426 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Aardman could pull it off? 🤔

@jacobcox4565 Жыл бұрын

@@minicle426 They'd probably tone down the violence, and also make the dinosaurs main characters.

@gattycroc8073 Жыл бұрын

I plan on becoming an animator and work at indie animation studios like GLITCH and SpindleHorse in hopes to get my own studio by the name of Croctoons Animation. if this happens, I plan to make a few animated shorts that take place in various prehistoric formations. like films like Land Before Time, Ice Age, and Disney's Dinosaur it will feature talking creatures with personalities but have updated depictions and appearances.

@cosmeticofthewhale9382 5 ай бұрын

Okay but the animation actually looks really good wth

@rey_4397 Жыл бұрын

What where the chances that you dropped this at the exact moment when I am watching the valley of Gwangi

@DinoDiego16 Жыл бұрын

What can I say? I'm a man of many talents. I always time things perfectly😎

@Dovawhat Жыл бұрын

@@DinoDiego16But can you see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch?

@zerpblerd5966 Жыл бұрын

check out: Cowboys vs. Dinosaurs - zgrade schlock that knows it and embraces it and works with it, with an Eric Roberts cameo, my full review: --- This needs to be seen more by people - it's hard to tell exactly who this will scratch an itch for, who will just like it okay, and those who will think it is stupid and hate it, but I know there's a bigger audience out there for it that deserves exposure. It is super-low budget with bad CGI graphics, cheesy mediocre acting, passably okay writing, but pretty good directing - and a great cameo with Eric Roberts. It doesn't take itself seriously, knows its limits and works with them to deliver a nice semi-charming package of predictable fun more akin to an 80s cheesy sci-fi movie and less of that 'post-2000 CGI monster horror' stupid shit that you might figure this to be 'from the looks of it.' 6.2/10

@rexrossman6666 2 ай бұрын

Loved Gwangi. It had an excellent and underrated score.

@guiltygearalonecompl Жыл бұрын

Spaghetti saurians

@deboralee1623 Жыл бұрын

¡oh, that animation is so [chef's kiss]! (11:04-11:11)

@Vextonomy Жыл бұрын

Imagine this instead of undead nightmare as a dlc for red dead 2

@vatofdread1468 6 ай бұрын

I had an idea for a story involving prospectors discovering a lost valley somewhere in the Yukon. There’d be Mammoths, Smilodons, and the big bad being a black-feathered Ceratosaurus (or Tyrannosaurus). The main inspiration was the account of the Partridge Creek Monster. I love the image of a dinosaur prowling the Alaskan wilderness, so I figured a story like that would be awesome.

@Jarod-vg9wq 8 ай бұрын

Dinosaur western is a film that needs to make a comeback, Valley of gwangi needs a remake!

@Dr.Qux3 Жыл бұрын

Nice 👍

@ronnieburton1312 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for a fascinating video! I prefer the older movies over the new, high tech CGI stuff that is made these days. There's a new Godzilla movie coming from Japan by the end of the year. I hope it will be better than the "Godzilla" films made by Hollywood in recent years.

@kevinnorwood8782 Жыл бұрын

I SINCERELY hope that they will one day remake Valley Of Gwangi using modern technology and CGI. However, I have two major requirements if they decide to do so. First, they have to stress that the Allosaurus (Gwangi) is the star of the film, and they have to pay as much tribute to the original Gwangi as possible. Second, I'd want them to change the ending to where Gwangi does NOT get burned alive inside that collapsing church, and manages to break out. However, he's in really bad shape after doing so, so the human characters decide to nurse him back to health and return him to the Forbidden Valley where he belongs.

@Primordial_Radiance Жыл бұрын

NGL I kinda want to see you make a video or 2 on Horizon Zero Dawn /Forbidden West. Especially with the burning shores dlc adding a jurassic park like area.

@ball_python1 Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@shiloallard9790 11 ай бұрын

I’m glad that The Valley Of Gwangi got made

@royjacksonjr.4447 Жыл бұрын

A peek into the theater at age 4 gave me a glimpse of the trailer for BOHM🦖 that launched my life-long fascination (some would say obsession!) with dinosaurs! A couple running through a forest, pursued by an Allosaurus; I realized that this thing was big enough to EAT Mom and Dad!

@guillaumebabey4484 10 ай бұрын

One could say the dinosaur from Hollow Mountain could be called a "Tyrannassour".

@TylerRakstis Жыл бұрын

Is it me or does the first half of that plot for the lost 3rd attempt of the film sound similar to the beginning of Jack and the Beanstalk? And it's funny how the dinosaur in that film would've been animated similarly to the George Pal Puppettoon shorts(Which Ray Harryhausen actually worked on) and Pingu?

@sgerald Жыл бұрын

The Beast of Hollow Mountain actually uses both an articulated puppet and replacement animation. Generally speaking closeups of the beast are an articulated puppet and long shots are done in replacement animation. If you pay close attention to the animation from the long shots, such as the scenes of the beast chasing the protagonist, some of them have better smoother animation than the close ups as the use of multiple models meant they could completely plan out the animation before filming it much like cell animation. However while some of the replacement animation is smoother it results in cycled animation as they reuse the same models for the same actions in different scenes and even in the same scenes to keep costs down. What's really confusing to me is that while the puppet animation is always mediocre, some of the replacement animation is absolutely awful despite the fact they could plan ahead and modify the models as needed. When all is said and done however while I appreciate Edward Nassour's enthusiasm for stop motion I really wish he would have just let Willis O'Brien do it as his skills weren't even in the same league let alone ballpark.

@riptarozone 5 ай бұрын

There is apparently a simultaneously shot in Spanish version of The Beast of Hollow Mountain, akin to the original 30s Dracula. I can't find much information on it but do wonder if it is better, also like the Spanish version of the original Dracula.

@ronnielee303 Жыл бұрын

Did the other videos in the series get deleted I’m confused

@bryangarcia5599 Жыл бұрын

_'Just think of it as... kind of a big cow.'_

@ggrarl Жыл бұрын

"I like cows."

@lostinpa-dadenduro7555 Жыл бұрын

I say try again. Cowboys versus _______. I’ll give it a watch.

@jasonsantos3037 Жыл бұрын

The Valley of Gwangi Still a great dinosaur Western movie. 🤠🦖

@brycevo Жыл бұрын

Dinosaur westerns are so cool. I prefer Turok and Gwangi

@deboralee1623 Жыл бұрын

Narrator: "...a group of cowboys and showrunners..." (16:07-16:08) me: wait, ¿did he just say 'showrunners'? [rewinds and rewatches that part of the video] yes, he did. 😆

@vladkornienko7889 Жыл бұрын

The Nassorous brothers sure like the Dino movies. I wonder why? 🤔🤔🤔

@enscroggs 11 ай бұрын

1:55 This clip from "The Valley of Gwangi" is very similar to the first appearance of the T. rex in the original "King Kong". In both, the big theropod ambles into the background of the main action with nothing on its mind other than an itchy spot that needs to be scratched.

@Culturewatcher Жыл бұрын

If I had the money I'd like to make more stop motion Dino movies x.x

@Dreamtoons.wyattmiller1980 Жыл бұрын

I'm The Very First Person to see this video AND comment on it. 😎

@CeratosaurL Жыл бұрын

What do you want? A trophy?

@CeratosaurL Жыл бұрын

Congrats, you shoved your finger on the screen first

@elecspark Жыл бұрын

But did you remember to like it?

@kade-qt1zu Жыл бұрын

No, you aren't. Xavier was first.

@XaviHaunts Жыл бұрын

Ahem

@MrEboxes Жыл бұрын

Buy this man’s shirts!

@marcdelente2456 3 ай бұрын

Formidable document sur les films à créatures préhistoriques hommage à Ray harryausen mon dieu absolut dans cette catégorie de films qui disait Je n aime pas que l ont disent monstres ce sont mes créatures. Ray harryausen émule du grand willis Obrien est éternel et intemporel pour des siecles. De tout ces films présentés je les possèdes toussent en 16mm 35mm et DVD même en doublons en VHS amitié d un passionné cinéphile depuis 60 ans j'ai découvert ou ont ma emmené voir ces films et ces devenu la passion absolut.

@vahidhosoda6614 Жыл бұрын

Cowboys vs dinosaurs was pretty much the reboot of these

@rykerblade_snb Жыл бұрын

It’s very niche but I’d like someone to make a movie of Tarzan the Terrible. Tarzan versus dinosaurs and lizard people? Sign me up

@rabble_rousdower 15 күн бұрын

Valley of the Mists seems very similar to Turok

@philip2010 11 ай бұрын

I really liked the valley of gwangi when I was a kid Dinosaurs in Mexico why not?as a kid I really like 1 million years BC Also I thought they were pretty good dinosaurs considering other earlier movies showed dinosaurs as huge iguanas but these movies were detailed and had a variety of creatures inever saw the magic bull tho but the special effects or csi has gotten more advanced with even more realistic dinosaurs not just in jarrasic Park but some pretty good unknown B movies

@tonyantonellis9983 4 ай бұрын

Dino Diego? Do you have a Dinosaur Western film story idea of your own? If so, would you like to me to make a 3D animated film based on it for the same of Willis O'Brien's wish really come true for real?

@davecinelli1068 6 ай бұрын

Not exactly Dino Westerns: "The Ghost of Slumber Mountain" 1918/1919 and "Along the Moonbeam Trail" 192?

@user-fo9nh9kp8d 8 ай бұрын

Somewhere at the beginning u mention hw the Allosaurus in The Valley of Gwangi was killed by a machine pushing it off a cliff. If I heard correctly, u actually r referring to the movie Dinosaurus, where a T-Rex and a Brontosaurus r found and brought back to life by a lightning strike. Also includes a caveman In storyline. Later on u call the shot correctly by saying that Gwangi is killed inside a burning cathedral. Maybe I just heard it incorrectly.

@DinoDiego16 8 ай бұрын

Yeah because in the original story that was conceived in the 40s, that's how the Allo was originally going to die. But that idea fell through and when it was brought back in 1969, they changed the death scene by having it burn inside the cathedral instead.

@susanfarley1332 Жыл бұрын

I just wonder why? I mean, why combine the two?

@enriquemino9963 7 ай бұрын

The beast from hollow mountain is not a T-rex, it was a allosaures.

@HaloisTight Жыл бұрын

If there's a remake of Valley of Gwangi, I think it should definitely use accurate designs for the dinosaurs. Especially for the the titular star.

@simonhassnilsson7009 Жыл бұрын

I'd still say unless you are making a documentary you don't HAVE to try and make dinosaurs accurate ( not to mention how what we know about them is always changing), but if it's a piece of entertainment Fiction i'd say you can do Dinosaurs however you want, make them feathered and more in line with morden theories or make them large Lumbering, reptilian movie Monster Dinos, doing scientific accuracy isent a bad choice (even if i think it's Really annoying when people say it HAS to be done like that, no offense, a lot of people can just be Really annoying about it), But there should also be room for the either retro, Outlandish or just plain Monstrous movie dinosaurs as well, it's fiction and entertainment so i just think nothing should be entirely left behind or excluded

@HaloisTight Жыл бұрын

@@simonhassnilsson7009 The reason I say this is because I think a high budget movie with accurate dinosaurs is rather overdue with how movies tend to go with inaccurate or monstrous designs almost if not every time.

@HaloisTight Жыл бұрын

@simonhassnilsson7009 But yeah I agree that there should be room for all sorts of designs in dinosaur media.

@simonhassnilsson7009 Жыл бұрын

@@HaloisTight im just glad we can be Civil about this, and i see your point as well, thank you for elaborating

@masmelly6384 Жыл бұрын

Guys can we not talk about the thumbnail 😂🤦🏽‍♂️

@brianablue4404 6 ай бұрын

Maybe someday these dinosaurs are being portrayed in a creature suit

@DinoDiego16 6 ай бұрын

I prefer stop motion animation but that's just me

@brianablue4404 6 ай бұрын

@@DinoDiego16 for me I'd prefer a creature suit

@alexnejako777 5 ай бұрын

Planet of the Dinosaurs counts in all but not being set on Earth.

@alexnejako777 5 ай бұрын

if you were going to bring the American dinosaurs back to life- most would live in Wyoming , Utah, Montana, Colorado and Texas, with some in California since that's where you find most Cretaceous dinosaur fossils. the inland sea broke the continent in two with a smaller dinosaur population in New England