i rewatched that scene a few times and I actually think he might have been lying to Tyrion. Maybe he was on a relapse and doing self-destructive things. Heading back to be with Cersei kinda made him revert completely to his old, arrogant ways, I don't think he was being genuine. Hell, he might have been trying to be funny. just a thought

rosgill6 Maybe your right but I honestly think that the writers just threw away his character in the final season. All of his development disappeared and I understand that characters are flawed but it’s the culmination of 8 years of character development. He deserved better.

oh absolutely. what I suggested was just a thought. It's far more likely that D&D caught "shit writer's disease" (terminally) and didn't wear their masks to the writer's table and coughed it all over. The results were a massacre of logic and decent story

rosgill6 Let’s be real. D&D were never good writers to begin with. Their success comes solely off of adapting Martin’s work.

also don't forget about fighting a MOTHERFUCKING BEAR with one hand to save a woman; keeping his word to Caitlyn Stark v.v. the two girls, including giving away a valyrian steel sword to woman he fought a bear to save to search them out. And also riding North to certain doom and or imprisonment/death to represent the Lannister name defending Winterfell against the Dead. It's hilarious we got 8 seasons worth of the track going one way, and there are still idiots out there 'oh well, derp derp, maybe he was trying to lie to Tyrion..' Yea... He was trying to lie to the guy who knows he fathered kids with his sister... Perfect sense.. So he doesn't care that Tyrion knows he fucks his sister, but damn if he'll let Tyrion believe he has some compassion for the common man...

THANK you. I thought I was the only one who was completely bored with her character. It's like d&d liked Maise or something so forced more of her into the story than made any sense.

@@lilymack4028 That's exactly what happened. They admit that they decided several seasons ago that Arya would kill the Night King, so they shoehorned it into her character "arc", along with her indestructible plot armour and infuriatingly punchable face that somehow never gets punched.

true, and lets not talk about when arya killed the night king

his lietunants were just standing there lol

why did it have to be arya to kill the night king ? i was hoping for a 1v1 between jon and the night king

that noise that the critic makes is worse than season 8.

@@HOTD108_ Don't ask me, ask Solid Snake ;) .

I could apply this reasoning to Manchester United football club!

That statement is as wise as anything ever uttered, and should be borne in mind whenever politics is discussed.

Blind loyalty to daenarys? Lol because that's what im seeing...

Right?! And don’t even get me started on Jaime and Brienne 🙄

We miss ygrette. Fiery red head ftw

There wasn't time for their love story to develop, it could have been a wonderful love story. They both have endured so much. But they rushed it so badly, the built up was so quick. They should have had a season of just knowing each other and flirting. We could even seen some character development of how being in love changed both of them for good or bad. We didn't get to see it because it was rushed

Daenarys honestly just seemed paranoid the whole time and Jon just looked like a kid who crapped the pool and didn’t tell anyone. I did not see any chemistry between them and Ygritte and Jon had so much more to them.

More like they just wanted to bone each other

preach

From subverting expectations, to servicing the lowest common denominator, forgetting how "subverting expectations" actually works or what it means.

@@guccifer764 Could be. I honestly couldn't remember with how many critique videos on season 8 I saw.

@Zoe Kouf its just you

@@transquelaag no , it was always about the shock value , its just the way they rushed it all in s8 , compare the red wedding , which was built up slowly from a party into a massacre , very good , to the bells , all going to plan and the bells ringing then suddenly for no reason a massacre , these "writers" are more like newspaper hacks just wanting headlines , and thats what they wrote :-(

almost had the tv explode thats how good it was

Well said!

Painfully true

u mean dumb and dumber

Yeah but Stannis

Exactly, characters in the show have devolved into completely shallow husks of what they used to be... Instead of meaningful character depth that is interestingly explored and showcased through dialogue, we get witty one liners that aren’t that witty Everyone suffers from mutilation of their character because of the severely shallow bland dialogue

It also undermines the whole idea the show was striving for: that the politics, lust and bloodshed of Westeros was futile and dwarfed in importance by the imminent threat of the undead armies that don’t care which house you belong to. Every few episodes, especially towards the final few seasons, we were treated to some variation of the dialogue, “What does it matter who sits on the Iron Throne? The dead are coming!” Ultimately, it mattered a great deal. The last three episodes toil with this matter and the show ends up being punctuated by more of the petty politics it spent so much time decrying. Like, just one more confrontation against the Wights did the trick? And, we don’t learn anything more about the White Walkers, such as the spiral symbols they make the effort in leaving behind, or why they disappeared for so long? Quite a disappointment in my view, especially when you recognize that the Lord of Light spent about 8000 years setting the stage for... that.

I actually laughed during that episode. It was ridiculous.

Imagine if the episode didn’t exist. Besides Jorah and Theon dying, what really changes?

LagiNaLangAko23 Yeah, the sudden treatment of him as a subsidiary obstacle and not the main threat was as contradictory as it was anticlimactic.

Now, I have to disagree here. Battle strategy sucked, yes, but the Night King cast the blizzard to obscure vision, and then attacked Jon & Dany with his dragon, until he was knocked off of it. Then he raised the dead of Winterfell (which appeared to be everyone but main characters) finally approaching Bran (his Goal?) before being assassinated. And lets face it, he is a badass undead Lych, not a master ninja. Arya could have reasonably slipped that shot in. (albeit we all wanted to see Jon take him on) I just don't think the undead army should have been defeated in the first wave. They should have fled to DeepWood Mutt, then hung that F*Kn deserter, then burned more undead in the marshes, backing down to highgarden and holding off more undead at Brawns castle, then finally letting the undead seize Kings Landing, and Arya assassinate Cercei, while the epic fight ended in the night kings death.

Lost Goth not me. I think my love for the nightking grew 10x. But yeah fuck everybody else.

Lost Goth I know right? Tyrion in chains determining the next ruler of the seven kingdoms....Sam tarly a grand Master? He fuckin left and never got even a regular maesters chain, AND he never needed a chain anyways! He had done what no other master would even try with jorah, and not only that but he is still technically a brother of the nights watch. They ruined so many plot lines and Foundations and foreshadowing. The list goes on and on. What was the point of Jon Snow coming back to life? What was all that about the prince that was promised and lightbringer? Why did Sam tarly steal the books from the Citadel when he didn't even find anything in them on how to defeat the white walkers? What's the point? The Dothraki get wiped out and yet they respawn next episode. 'Danny forgot about the iron Fleet?' even though they have talked about it several times and this same iron Fleet destroyed her ships and her allies twice. You have varys on the sidelines and not acting like himself and last season same thing with little finger! am infuriated. That's what happens when you try to cram two seasons of material into six episodes when you just don't care and impatient to get it over with so you can move on to Star Wars. I would have had a lot more respect for D&D had they manned up, told HBO that they wanted to move on to other projects and parted ways after season 6. That way their work would have been praised from seasons 1 through 6 and then HBO could have gotten more seasons and more episodes with better writers to conclude the story the way it should have been. I don't understand how these morons got away with only doing six episodes for a final season and 7 episodes the season before. Even George RR Martin said there was enough to do 10 full seasons at minimum

I was rooting for the Night King coming back and killing everyone off. That’s how bad season 8 was.

Lost Goth i always liked Tyrion but the more I watched and then read the books the more I liked Tywin, Jaime, and especially drogo he’s my fave

Jon S lol I second you’re statement the night king had the right idea get these ass hats out of here we need a rule 😂

Seriously!! I mean, WTH sends out cavalry into an area they can’t see and builds trenches behind their armies? Can someone tell me what the hell were the trebuchets for? They fired them once and that was it. Then it was, let’s wait until the enemy cross the fire wall in order to start thinking about manning the walls. What a joke!

@@aldridkg the combat in the Riverlands were awesome because it had genuine strategy on both sides and you know, the rivers. It felt authentic and realistic with their usage of positioning instead of the generic charge into the enenemy and win

Connor McGonigal :(

A SHOW IN THIS POSITION CANNOT BE MADE TO LOOK RIDICULOUS

me @ GOT about Tyrion and Jaime 😭

@@suspicioustumbleweed4760 Agreed...but it unfortunately was...that s what the outrage is about...1.300.000 signatures to rewrite and reshoot are not a small thing...anyway...

I actually had to sit and watch this massacre of a season in my home. MY HOME!!! IN THE BEDROOM WHERE MY WIFE SLEEPS!! Where my kids come to play with their toys.

The episode was just boring, completely. In episode 5 there were cool looking battle scenes and I feared for Drogon, because the "battle plan" was stupidly risky And then I watched the final episode, because I already bought it

Jon snow = living death once he gets revived that is why he can never die in the present he has no heart and he is only controlled by his mind, Daenerys = living dead she has a heart but only controlled by emotions she has no mind. This tale is about Bran but you only find out this if you get the writing of the show. Writing is perfect, it is complex and to understand it you need to be handling it the right way. You have nothing to complain about except your own inability to do the job on the coin the creators gave you. Watch and decode. Two sides of the coin during the journey

+Gav’s GoT Info Good God, you are just insufferable. If the fact that no one agrees with you bothers you this much, then maybe you should go find a nice echo chamber and stay there. Just because you like shitty storytelling doesn’t mean the rest of us have to. Fucking pathetic...

Agreed !!!!! The second half of last episode was so cheap and cheesy that i literally could not bear to watch .... when the so called small council make cheap jokes it made me snap!!!!!! That was worst ending i could ever imagined .... and when sam presents the book named The Song of Ice and Fire i really felt mocked by showrunners .... how stupid they think we fans are?! ....

@@gavsgotinfo1278 imagine unironically thinking these last few seasons were good writing.

He was smart up until season 5. When D&D started writing for him.

I think D and D did this on purpose for the plot to move forward because other than that it makes no damn sense. They're the ones who know secret passage ways into the red keep but I guess DnD kinda forgot that their audience knows this. Conleth Hill who plays Varys said that he didn't like how he was sidelined the else passed two seasons.

MBV huh? A man/ woman of culture I see.

I guess that's why she went crazy

Yep and seasons 5 and 6 was just fanfiction.

@@robrick9361 *Season 5 is adapted from the books.*

@@starhunter9085 no

@@robrick9361 *Look it up*

@@starhunter9085 You look it up. The Sand Snakes never killed Myrcella. They were trying to use her to start a war by crowning her Queen since Dornish laws say that the eldest inherits, regardless of sex. Also Stannis was never killed and he would never burn Shireen. Also BARISTAN SELMY IS STILL ALIVE!

Honestly, this whole show has been about how Jaime and Cersei delude themselves into thinking of themselves as Romeo & Juliet when Cersei has never loved Jaime as much as he loved her. She got angry at him for losing a limb instead of returning to her, clearly loved their children and herself more than she did Jaime, and cheated on him constantly. Like???? And they die like tragic lovers when she sent someone to have him killed one episode before? I feel like my two favourite characters' stories got butchered because of D&D and their incest kink.

Jon snow = living death once he gets revived that is why he can never die in the present he has no heart and he is only controlled by his mind, Daenerys = living dead she has a heart but only controlled by emotions she has no mind. This tale is about Bran but you only find out this if you get the writing of the show. Writing is perfect, it is complex and to understand it you need to be handling it the right way. You have nothing to complain about except your own inability to do the job on the coin the creators gave you. Watch and decode. Two sides of the coin during the journey.

@@gavsgotinfo1278 WTF

:’(

@@gavsgotinfo1278 /r iamverysmart

@@gavsgotinfo1278 uh, what?? and no. The writers FAILED COMPLETELY at showing what they were trying to and have us all having to guess and discuss outside of the show's media to try to figure it out. They needed AT LEAST 2 more full seasons, not 6 episodes bullshit to flesh out the message they wanted us to receive. NOT A GOOD JOB AT ALL WHEN MANY SMART PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE WHOLE TIME AND READ THE BOOKS!

They just kind of forgot.

EXACTLY! She's a delusional, manipulative, abusive bimbo who never gets what she wants.

Star wars are already ruined by character assassinations, lame script, undeveloped, one dimensional new characters etc. But I'm sure Dumb and Dumber will piss on Star Wars grave anyway.

D&D are coming

You wanna put your money where your mouth is and back up that comment?

he's not that into star wars he just has that poster because its iconic haha

maybe its not over yet, I was wondering where the dragon took dany, maybe to the east to have her resurrected by priestess'?. we're just gonna have to wait until the final books are released.

Actually it's what Ramsay Bolton did to Theon

@@hijack69 Actually, it's what Ramsay did to Sansa. We are the Theon in this scenario as we were the ones who had to watch.

@@rvantong Holy shit..yes. Sansa is the script and D&D are the rapist

@@rvantong Oh daum. That analogy makes shit even sadder for me. 🙁

@@Lrodpotato me too

...and without a dragon queen, and a dragon to fear, why the hell would DORNE subject itself to a foreign ruler?

disgusting is the perfect word

Because that's GRRM's ending, D&D just didn't establish anything and made a side character out of Bran, making it make no sense.

Its logical and will happen in books but when George does it I bet you dont cry

@@lewystyles It's not really logical because Bran's a cripple. What medieval society with social mores so centred around fighting prowess and masculinity elect a cripple to be king?

*ahem* Edmund Tully would like a word

@@erurevir *D&D* "ahem lords and ladies, I believe my 8 years in TV has led to some small skill in show craft" *everyone* "Dumb and Dumber, please sit.."

Arya's got your number...fucked now.

@@amsbeats841 thats how you make a joke

@@patcherelli2411 I don't think she gets good reception stranded in the middle of the Ocean 🤣

And they give her like 5 hours to live before Jon basically kills her. Let’s not wait a few days and maybe she’ll see her tyranny was bad mmkay

Lmfaooo, right? I half expected Tyrion to pull out a projector and put charts up on the wall to prove his point. Dany just murdered 500,000 people and Jon needs to be convinced she's bad for Westeros? Good grief.

Lol I was saying this since the first rant/critic video I saw. Like what more did he need to see to know that Dany needed to go? Not to mention how he says he wont make excuses and then proceeds to make excuses to Tyrion two second later. And after killing her they talking like maybe they made the wrong choice. Like why are you guys conflicted? Tyrion was already set on her needing to die but now he isnt? Jon literally spent the last two previous episodes rejecting her advances and after seeing what he saw he should've known that Dany wasnt the person she proclaimed herself to be anymore. Like if Jon wasn't 100% sure that he was doing the right thing at any point then he wouldn't have killed Dany. Like Jon cared about Olly. He trained the boy. Made him his squire. Probably spent most of his off screen time with this boy while at the Night's Watch. And when the boy stabbed him to death with his other brothers was he conflicted? NOOO. Just imagine if he needed to talk to Sam about executing Olly and Ser Alister before he did it. It wouldve been dumb.

They both betrayed Dany yet Tyrion gets rewarded by being the king's hand and Jon gets punished by getting sent back to the North like wtf.

And during that presentation, Jon says that he can't justify what Dany did, and then he tries to justify it 15 seconds later. Plus there is no moral ambiguity or conflict in killing someone who nukes a city, claims it is liberation and then says that she needs to make the liberation thing into a world tour. I was almost left hoping that Jon would try to stab Dany, but finds out she is wearing a breastplate, and Dany yells "Hahahha! I knew you would betray me!!" and the Unsullied charge into the room and arrest Jon. That would have been more interesting, even though I liked Drogon's reaction to Dany dying.

I pirated it all and I want my money back somehow!

@@JuICyBLiinGeR you still got cheated. Ask for a refund.

And to show that they can make a Disney movie, they turned GoT into a Disney movie. I guess they are the right people for that job.

I did get this exact sense, especially in the last episode, that there were Disney elements in it, especially the "conquer the world" villain speech, Daenerys's witch-like dress, the royal elections which invoked this nauseating idealism (stories... not armies and money...) and the Small Council meeting. In the meeting... the way they talked: "The Master of Coin objects to the Grand Maester's... blah blah" It reminded me of the way Disney characters speak: "Good morning, mrs. X" "Good morning, mr. Y" That happy formal manner of speaking and that joyful harmony between people even when they contradict each other... The tone is so Disney-ish... I don't know how else to describe it. I think this was on purpose on their part, not a matter of lack of talent, but to let Disney know they're 100% on their team.

It's a fucking high crime against the history of art.

Octavian Popescu The show just sort of got stripped of not only its character complexity and political nuance, but also its grotesque display of gore and violence. I don’t mean to sound childish there, and I love plenty of stories which lack those elements. It’s just that it’s a symptom of a larger problem of how this show became less daring and substituted GRRM’s roadmap with tropes that it initially avoided like the plague. I know that’s partly Martin’s fault for, you know, not finishing the books. But they should have handed it off to other show-runners if they were no longer up to the task.

Mara Ciobica Also my feelings! Sadly, I did not care for anything or any of the characters this whole season!

I felt so guilty that I didn't care. Then I realized that the show fucked us, and then didn't feel guilty but just nostalgic and angry.

Same, lucky i didn't rush home to watch😞

@@TheTam0613 If youd told me in season 2 that I would turn off the final episode just as they were electing Bran so I could take a shit and go to bed Id have said you were insane. Thats exactly what I did tho.

I just wanted it over at the end, I felt exhausted by it.

Plus!!!! She is his aunt!!!!! I can understand Dany not caring about it because she is a Targ but Jon was brought up in Winterfell, in Westros. Why did he not react at all!!??? Ugh.

I never understood why this relationship occured in the first place. 🤣 Like forget chemistry, I dont even like how they look together side by side. It's probably because Kit Harington doesnt look "tough" or "manly" enough. Like he makes Jon looks completely and utterly whipped next to Dany to the point that he sounds like he has no mind of his own. Like he still had a personality and autonomy when he was with Ygritte and it felt natural. Like real love and affection. Not just dolls being smashed together by a child making kissing noises.

I totally agree!! I know the actors are dear friends and once a kissing shot was over they'd both act like they were vomiting. Sadly...that is exactly how I felt about their "love". No chemistry. Not blaming the actors so much, but if it doesn't jive, people won't believe it! I would argue most people have been in love/lust/relationships and know what love or chemistry not only looks like, but how it feels. I didn't see that feeling in one single scene of the two of them.

They needed more time and episodes to evolve their relationship

Jon Snow had better chemistry with Ygritte, and their pairing had really been believable. Their relationship had enough time to spark and grow. His courtship with Dany felt forced and contrived because it had so little time to develop naturally. And it didn't help that all he seemed to ever say that was remotely romantic was that oft-repeated line "you are my queen".

Well it depends on the books and on the person who enjoys them. There are many people who read only to recite quotes and feel smart from whatever other person wrote. I was majoring in Literature and Linguistics, Sociology and Philosophy until I dropped out from disgust and from a major mental breakdown. Those types of careers tend to be plagued with echos. I grew up at the circus of my parents and of other relatives feeling insanely above the human specie along with a bunch of intellectual snobs they hang out with. All of them are bookworms, are decent writers themselves and are "cultured", but still fail to get to their own conclusions and to doubt, question or play with the ideas of praised and less known thinkers. So actually I'd say many people that "read a lot", do so blindly and don't give themselves the time to think for themselves.

Lucy Towey so true - solid comment

Especially as played by Iain Glen, who's a way better actor than Kit H.

@@floraposteschild4184 Most of the actors on GOT are better than Kit.

@@dyutiparnaguha8693 in Kit's defense, he didn't have much to work with in the past 2 seasons. I might be on my own here, but he was great season 6.

Chuck Normis Jorah was a huge part of that storyline too. Making Jon snow more of a main character feels like they just wanted to pick fan favorites and slap them together for predictable fanservice. Dany didn't need a love interest, and because of the lack of chemistry, it's blatant pointless fanservice.

Flora Posteschild he usually has good chemistry with the other actors tho. He has no chemistry with Emilia who is another one of the weaker actors on the show. Putting them together is just terrible lol

Anti Dotes did you watch it again?

Anti Dotes it’s a recorder

grow up

@@representationmetaphorique a recorder is a flute.

@@NeverWolf no it isn't. If it was a flute, it wouldn't be called a recorder. That's how names of things work.

that's the thing, D&D probably saw there was a fanfic ending the story how they intended to end it and they decided to sUbVeRt ExPeCtAtIoNs for the sake of being unpredictable.

So basically everyone did their job except D&D.

the books may never be done and by then (if they were) the actors would be too old to play the characters again.

It could continue as a new show with different actors, why they have to be the same.

Nah, the green god (money) we worship in the real world will not allow that

@@zemljajeravna5336 that would be awful. Honestly.

I'm sorry but JRR Martin seems to be doing anything BUT work on the books. It would take a looooong time to finish the book series and we would have to hope Martin doesn't die of a heart attack before that happens.

TELL ME ABOUT IT. Bcs Brienne represents hope, kindness and justice in his eyes and life. she changed him to become a better person(up until episode 5). if she died in Winterfell, that would've been a huge impact to him and his morals that he naturally built with her in the past. i am honestly most angry about what they've done to Jaime and Dany's arc. his redemption arc went to shit.

Yeah because character development is linear? It's more poetic that Brienne is alive and that he falls back to Cersei because he loves her more than Brienne. You all should love D&D, at least they transformed everyone with a keyboard into a "writer"!

@@abbesatty9498 I'm honestly fine with him going back to Cersei regardless, I liked the way that he left Brienne in the episode. I think having Episode 3 leave more of an impact on him would just have it come less out of nowhere than it did but him leaving is a decision by the writers I think works, as it shows his character flaws. My gripe is still him saying in Episode 5 that he doesn't care about people, cause thats just wrong

​@@RadioactiveKetchup Jaime has always shown that binary attitude. The show depicted that beautifully by using lights in SE6E8 when he was trying to convince Edmure to cooperate, (the shade of black and white split on his face). He started the dialogue with Edmure as a compassionate, honorable human being who cares about him and his son only to tell him later that he would butcher every Tully to return to Cersei. Him saying he doesn't care about the people (as they always judge him negatively) makes sense to me. He cares about the people, but he's not sure.

@@abbesatty9498 and there are also many many other films that are terrible bcs of lazy writers. just bcs they are writers doesnt mean they're great. i believe D&D got completely lazy in season 8 because they wanted to move to their next Star Wars project while HBO and GRRM wanted 10/13 seasons. They did fucked up a lot. character development that was built since the beginning of the season especially for Jaime's redemption arc IS important. especially since he first met Brienne. try comparing this season's script to the earlier series, then maybe you'd see the difference of hard work and good direction/effort instead of lazy writing and relying too much on subverting expectations just to shock the audience.

Jon snow = living death once he gets revived that is why he can never die in the present he has no heart and he is only controlled by his mind, Daenerys = living dead she has a heart but only controlled by emotions she has no mind. This tale is about Bran but you only find out this if you get the writing of the show. Writing is perfect, it is complex and to understand it you need to be handling it the right way.

@Integrity In Christ Ministry I got three videos that proves you're wrong. However, it is up to you as to whether you want to seek/learn then either take action or reaction. Just like all the characters do in game of thrones 2 sides of the coin. You have no coins and with no coins means you don't know what game of thrones was to begin with.

@Integrity In Christ Ministry You need to collect coins. Two sides to a coin. The tale is only epic if you engage your eyes and your mind. Bran is manipulating the passages of time. It is a jumbled mess. It works in two ways they journey to the end, then the actual journey as to why and then you see the how. Coin on my channel accept or refuse 3 videos explaining the writing. You wish to stay in your land of make believe then that is fine but I will not be wasting more time explaining to a wight . Good day.

Gav's GoT Info lol dude I appreciate your passion, but calm down. is it possible the writers just missed some things? to what end will you make excuses? I don't get it lmao

@@bellakonrad5952 So you can believe that Daenerys can stand into a BBQ and come out alive with three dragons making her all powerful but when I say she stands into a BBQ and comes out as a living dead because Bran needs to remove her ability to think so he can alter the way she goes about doing things is making excuses. Not all scenes read the way you first see them, you need to switch them. You want more than a fizzle at the end you need to find the two sides and switch them.

MinnieMoon beyond the Wall was probably just as bad if not worse than anything in season 8. People were just in denial or overly hopeful that it would lead to something really good.

Plot armour

they are the same desperate asshats that praise Kathleen Kennedy & Ryan Johnson's massacre of Star Wars... simply because it says "Star Wars" on the intro.

Even The Winds of Winter? That one was excellent.

George Ramos Oof. Looks like JJ has ruined SW far more than Rian ever could.

I feel the same. Eloquent, thoughtful, and good analogies. There's none of the (admittedly, earned) excessive vitriol and cursing that other video essays on this topic populating KZfaq contain.

60 minutes... There was 18mins of talking

@@Kyoko1411 And the talking was ludicrous, cringey and pathetic.

One can do an amazing silent scene, even a movie if you're really willing to work bloody hard AND HAD TALENT. No amount of dialogue will save that pile of typical mediocre Hollywood crap

¿which one?

@@VictoriaClerici The one about Tyrion not being in the book

I'm still so upset. I rememmber when I heard it I got up ,startedd pacing and saying "they can't even write one fucking joke on their own these sorry bitches"

@@corhydron111how is that a mean girls joke? I thought that was in reference to varys telling him "the histories will never mention you " seriously, just asking. Maybe I missed something.

Megan meehan in the movie “mean girls” Janet gets mad because the popular girls hadn’t written anything at all about her in their slam book. Not even a negative comment. Tyrion not being mentioned in the new book is upsetting to him in the same way. Hope that helped :)

I've lost all respect for whatculture

Completely agree! Season 7 tried to recreate battle of the bastards and was clear to see with all the plot armour that the main characters had. It's sad to think back and remember how much I hated Joffrey and Ramsey because of the excellent storytelling from the earlier seasons and by the end of the show I couldnt care any less about the main characters.

no it wasnt

I genuinely loved the end of season 7 despite how horrible the ride was getting there though

@@numericalhorror185 how they got there is very important. zombie dragon is cool but stupid af

@@paperandpavement jon has super plot armor on battle of the bastards

The amount of things D&D forgot is truly amazing. They forgot about the prophecies, they forgot that Dorne only kneeled due to Dragons, they forgot the whole reason Theon was a hostage at Winterfell was because the Greyjoys rebelled against the Iron Throne 9 years before the show started in an attempt to become their own Kingdom again. (Yet, neither of the leaders of those Houses even cared that Sansa was declaring the North it's own Kingdom) They forgot that Dany wouldn't have forgotten about the Iron Fleet, they forgot the talk Barristan Selmy had with Dany about not becoming her father, they forgot Jaime's entire character arc, they forgot to give Cersei a evil plan to defend herself, they forgot Bran was even able to Warg, they forgot Arya could take on the face of anyone and had her waltz into King's Landing in broad daylight, they forgot they killed off almost all of the Unsullied and Dothraki previously in the season. I could go on. There was so much that was rushed and forgotten.

Destroyed Littlefinger's cunning character too and made him a side post the last season and a half he was in. Didn't know how to write him AT ALL! A character who is supposed to have a plan for anything at all that could happen to him and he goes out like a little bitch after doing bullshit in Winterfell trying to pit Stark sisters against each other which was a storyline beneath him, and also a poorly done storyline for the writers all around.

"But she's MAH QUIINN!!!" XDDDDDDDDDDDD

I agree they did screw up Varys story arc. Conleth Hill who plays Varys said that he didn't like how he was sidelined the last two seasons and he felt like since his character is so intelligent then why doesn't he know certain things. I think they did this on purpose to move the plot forward. Varys would not openly commit treason and he wouldn't openly approach Jon the way he did it's just the bad writing cause Varys is no ones idiot.

Badge Man Fuck that! The bitch was a crazy, entitled brat! I was happy when Jon killed her ass.

Man bad and weak, wahman good and strong.

That means you'll only hear about the bad ending of it which will make you not want to watch the show. That's like entertainment suicide for yourself!

SinkGround The first few seasons are very worth watching! Just abandon it after it starts to decline. You could also read the books after you atch the first seasons and hopefully you’d end in time for GRRM to publish the new book! 🙃

h z Yep, my memory is just not good enough to know for sure, but up to 6 it’s still good. It’s just that the first 3/4 were the best content on TV. And now we got this...

just....don't judge the show on the ending, and don't judge the books on the show

She should’ve gotten to kill Cersei

"Nobody can kill the Night King" ---->> "Nobody" did. Get it??? Ya. All I could think of was ....LORD OF THE RINGS DID IT "No man can kill Sauron " ---->>> No MAN did

It wasn't even fanservice, it was just D&D masturbating. Arya was their favourite character, so fuck logic, fuck the audience and fuck the plot.

lwzeis no Jamie

Everyone complains that Arya killed the night king but who cares who killed the night king... that's not the problem... the problem is that the white walker threat completely disappeared after he was killed. How convenient... my main complaint is that nothing meant anything in season 8... white walkers didn't mean anything... jon snow being targaryen didn't mean anything... cersei didn't mean anything.. at least daenerys going mad made sense - yet some people complain even about that - although would have been nicer if they had given her a much better reason to finally snap - but I mean that's the definition of insanity right? it's not supposed to make sense

Except in this case the rain is piss. They just keep telling us its raining.

And, while we're at it, what about Brianne's arc? She becomes more & more human, softer, even then the guy she loves knights her & immediately sleeps with her. Huh? and when he leaves her she BEGS him to stay & weeps as he rides off. REALLY? She loses all sense of pride because this guy had sex w/her? OMG

Diamondinmyeye To me it seemed like half the shows budget over the past two seasons has been dedicated to clever Drogon shots. Later in the finale he pops up from under that pile of ash and at that point I was so over it

@@brianclarkson5300 Yep, especially when they didn't make any budget for Ghost. Very few of the dragon shots impressed me at all. The iron fleet shots were beyond terrible.

Diamondinmyeye Same. What happened to subtlety

I don't think anyone would say it was a sublime or ingenious shot...but it's pretty hard to deny the beauty of it. That's all.

Why would he be in love with her?

Other than Daenerys is beautiful? I don't know. Except; There was a making of GoT where they said so.

Lol pretty much every character that died before they could become a shadow of themselves is my favorite character. 🤣

Axele That’s a smart point. I look back at Tywin, Jofferey, Ramsey, Robb and Oberyn and remember how they died in such dramatic fashion the viewers were moved to emotion . Then look at the death or finish that we got with LF, Varys, Tyrion, Danny Jon as each character just left us numb without emotion.

Plus he (Joffrey) was right about being concerned about Daenerys and her dragons, just like his "father," King Robert. Season 8 invalidated Ned Stark having a moral compass about Robert's efforts trying to kill Dany. Had he succeeded he would have saved over a million lives just in King's Landing alone, and including over 100 children in Essos. Can you imagine the terror, fire and blood that would have beset the world if Khal Drogo had lived, and/or especially if their son, Rhaego, the prophesied Stallion Who Mounts the World, had lived?

@@thedeejaeebee5babee I mean Ned's not invalidated. His opinion is formed based on what the information he knows. Ned wasn't thinking about if Dany had plans or what she could or could not do in the future. He was thinking about the fact that she was a barely older than a child in his eyes and now pregnant. As well as, she and Viserys had no responsibility over the Mad King's actions or Rhaegar's "supposed" kidnapping of Lyanna. To Ned, what he saw was that Robert had not just changed physically but mentally as well. (But in my personal opinion, I dont think Ned knew Robert at all.) But on a Westerosi politics level and even on a logical/pragmatic level, Robert was in his right to kill anyone who was a threat to his claim on the throne as early as possible before things progressed too far. Because it's obvious Viserys or Dany or someone who had an interest in a Targaryen restoration were hatching some kind of plan otherwise why would they marry her to Khal Drogo? Like it was obvious something needed to be done for the sake of everyone and the morality over who was right and who was wrong is debatable.

@@Lrodpotato Fair point. Of course no one knew or predicted this would happen because it made no sense and was very inconsistent with what we'd been shown. I was referring to 20/20 hindsight "knowing what we now know" about how things turned out in a half-joking way. Chalk it up to my own way of protecting my own mental stability now as a coping mechanism. I know it's "just a story" but it was a beautiful, epic story until it was ruined.

Except for the Canadian Midwest in winter, which is only superseded by the Canadian Arctic in winter in terms of brutality and bone-chilling isolation.

Okay, American living in the midwest

I'm up in Maine and we can get brutal winters. I was thinking the whole time that "Winter is Here" that it was like April in Maine. Not super tough.

Penguins: "hold my beer."

Canada has more brutal winters, especially Saskatchewan, Manitoba & Northern territories. 🥶

What utter bollocks.

@@halloweenjack8655 i know dude

still cant believe they split storm of swords into two books but a book that had to be split because it was too long was put into one season. Have just started reading a feast for crows and cant wait to see what season 5 should have been like. Its still gonna be hard to beat the third book though because that one was amazing. Since youre a book reader though I have a question regarding Daenerys and her ending: Was her madness and eventually death really the obvious and only possible ending for her? I mean in the first three books I have read it is hinted that madness will play a big part in ther story by having her constantly question herself if what she is doing is right and listening to a stories told by Baristan about madness in her family nad also Rhaegar. However I feel like there are so many possible endings and so manny possible outcomes. I mean the fact that madness will be there does not have to mean much and if she becomes mad it does not have to be Aerys level of mad. In her chapters you keep getting the feeling that she is doing all that just for her familly and because it is expected of her (very similar to stanises arch) and you just feel like thats not what she realy wants. She just wants that house with a red door and a lemon tree and live in peace. Just imagine her not taking the throne because realises she never wanted it or something like that. One way this could pay off though is that this very thing could actually be the cause of her snaping and becoming mad realising she never wanted the throne and lost people that are important to her because of something she actually did not want to get. Thinking about it like that makes Martins choice for her ending hardly the only possible option and in no way the only possible ending for her. Her character still in both the books and the show feels so stable its sounds almost impossible for her to become what she became in the finale. Although noone can argue that this wasnt the only possible ending after episode 5.

Good at adapting zero creative writing ability

They were nevwr writers

Lol. They are shittiest writers ever. You dunb

I liked the episode where Gendry got his own name wrong, saying Gendry Rivers instead of Waters. It really solidified how I view seasons 7&8 as GOT fan fiction to try to distance it from the really good seasons.

@Zoe Kouf she earned it this season.

Yasmin Raveh Sansa is the new Cersei

agree with everything but jon was never treated as a hero LOL , he was exiled as a traitor.

You could probably also argue Season 3's Red Wedding worked for very similar reasons: Robb and Ned made a series of choices which, in the beginning, seemed inconsequential, for the decision making was noble, but ultimately they had consequences which forced the character into making a second decision, and then a third, where they would eventually alienate more and more people and find the alliances they thought they held were not as strong as they thought - which ultimately stems back to one of their first decisions they made which caused the first crack in their metaphorical armor. Ned discovers the truth (Good action) Ned attempts to confront the Queen whose alliances outrank his and has support of great wealth and influence of being queen. (Bad Action) He attempts to strike a deal with the knowingly shifty littlefinger (Bad Action). He has a confrontation with the Queen's Brother (Bad Action) He brings the whole thing to a conclusion without the necessary security in place (Bad Action). His plan fails and he's killed for it. Ned's story is entirely honorable, and innately good, because the viewer knows that Ned's discovery is the truth. But in the world itself (whose rules the characters are bound by) no one else knows for certain that this is the case beyond those that want to believe "those rumors" and those that know because of their guilt. As such having the confrontations with the guilty party, under the assumption they would have 'honor' (despite having a "King Slayer") is a complete mis-step and it gets Ned killed. His story is good, which makes you root for him. But his actual decisions are bad, which makes him ripe for death in the story. Robb leads his army in a conflict of retribution against the south (Good action) Robb makes a shaky alliance with Karstarks, this ultimately breaks down resulting in execution (Bad Action) Robb makes a shaky alliance with Freys, this ultimately breaks down resulting in betrayal of promise (Bad Action). Karstarks and Freys align with the enemy to pay Robb back for his betrayals in the interest of their own houses - which Robb had compeltely snubbed. (Bad Action). Robb is killed. _______ Similarly this sort of thing also happens for the likes of Oberyn who also comes to mind even though this is much later, and arguably the last time that this happens. His intentions are good and noble, but he fucks it up and is killed for it. After this, the deaths of characters aren't even necessarily for making bad decisions, but seemingly just out of the fact they were "good" (and secondary) E.g. Dolorous Edd, Misandei to name just two in season 8 which ultimately served as a facilitator for 'drama'. Dany was sort of an unfulfilling death for the opposite reasons, because unlike say Ramsay Bolton, who has around 3 seasons worth of him being a malicious sociopath, Dany has ~5 seasons of the occasional suggestion that malicious sociopath resulting in the murder of civilians during a surrender but ultimately concludes that this should not be the case - So much so she puts her personal conflict on hold (Taking the Iron Throne) in order to assist Jon in the fight against Death itself (which would engulf all of the innocent civillians of the world) only to have seemingly forgotten about this great sacrifice for the good of all man-kind, not 2 and a bit hours later and then turn on the flick of a switch into the Queen of the Ashes where she dooms a good portion of man-kind. _______ When Game of Thrones began to deviate from Source material, it left some of complexity which was necessary for most of the cast in order to cause them to interlock - as their characters got boiled down to the vague sense of what they once were: Littlefinger - Just plotting. Varys - Just listening. Tyrion - Just 'A wise man once said'. Jon - Just a Noble queens man. Sansa - Just an abuse-surviving queen (who now thinks ill of most - viewing them as a threat to power) Dany - A power-hungry queen. Cersei - A delusional power-hungry queen. Jamie - In utterly blind love with a delusional power-hungry (sister) queen. Davos - Grammar corrector. Bronn - (successful) dishonorable Blackmailer. Brienne - In love with the man in love with the delusional power-hungry (sister) queen. Podrick - Actually not to bad as he actually became a proper fully fledged knight. Arya - Just a stone-cold killer. Bran - Just creepy. The Hound - Another not too bad arc in its whole resolution of his character who has "got have a code". Greyworm - Just a 'perfect soldier'. Misandei - Just a trigger for the 'perfect soldier' to become 'imperfect'. You simply can't boil characters down to the nearest whole trait or you end up removing their potency and their agency in being able to exist in multiple scenarios without seeming out of place. But by the end, you get quite a few of these out of place events, be they deaths, or "should be" deaths.

Zsht Yeah, I agree. That made no sense in the video. The guy is saying that every character somehow needs a dramatic, shifting event in the story to have a purpose in the story. Like it doesn’t matter that he had this great, redemptive arc that ended in Winterfell, and dying fighting with the Starks. It supposedly “serves no purpose” because the Night King got to Bran anyway? I was not a fan of season 8 but its lines like this that show how ridiculous some of these dudes nitpicking everything wrong with the show while at the same time showing a complete lack of imagination, creativity, and understanding of narration.

Zsht I agree that it had no purpose because it was pointless. He could have stood his ground and Arya would have killed the NK in 5 mins

ask yourself this, what did that accomplish?

hepzibah hez it accomplishes character change, a heroes journey by the definitions of Joesph Campbell. Character development and a characters individual journey doesn’t necessarily have to influence the wider plot.

The past two seasons made me grow to despise Arya, and she used to be one of my favorite characters, certainly my favorite Stark.

​@@stevepalpatine2828 Yeah, I was pretty much done with her after she survived the whole waif hunt in what was it... season 5 or 6 ? That;s where her plot armor grew too ludacris.

@@Shryce I loved Arya in the books, and till ahe got to Braavos in the show. Having Jaqen show up again there was fucking retarded, its a disposable face he threw away, "Jaqen" is actually im the Citadel and if they wanted to keep the actor Tom would have done much better if they put him where he belongs in the show. Show Arya in Braavos got insufferable.