THE MASTER LEVELS FOR DOOM II - DEAN OF DOOM

THE MASTER LEVELS FOR DOOM II - DEAN OF DOOM - Summer School Special

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Welcome to Dean of Doom, the show where we give grades to classic and contemporary Doom wads. Why? Because ranking things is fun. We’re back for one last special episode before we well and truly take a break, and it will be dedicated to The Master Levels for Doom II, a 1995 expansion pack of Doom II levels made by several prominent community mappers, including new id Software hire Tim Willits, Thy Flesh Consumed guest star John Anderson, a.k.a. Dr. Sleep, future Ion Storm designer Sverre Andre Kvernmo, a.k.a. Cranium, and TeamTNT members Jim Flynn and Tom Mustaine. Unlike traditional megawads, The Master Levels’ 21 maps are not grouped together, intended to be played one at a time from pistol starts. This makes the final product more reminiscent of a designer showcase than a new Doom game. As commercial Doom releases go it’s an odd bird, considerably less controversial than Final Doom, but also much less coherent...and competent. Let’s get the elephant out of the room: I got my copy of the Master Levels for free when I first bought Doom II on Steam, and it didn’t take long for me to find out why. Truth be told, I was going to put this episode off as long as I could, but fate had other plans. Last month, Peter Lawrence released the Master Levels 25th Anniversary MIDI Pack, a set of tracks so full of levity, verve, and experimentation that they make the maps they were written for actually playable; no matter your musical preferences, it’s an improvement over "Running From Evil" playing in every other map. If you were looking forward to this episode, thank Peter by downloading his MIDI pack and sharing it with everybody you know.
FYI: I'm not back. This is the last one before Season 2 starts in March. Date TBD. Enjoy, boys and girls!
*Special thanks to King Kool for the new dunce cap designs!
LINK TO PETER'S 25th ANNIVERSARY ML MIDI PACK: megasphere.bandcamp.com/album... (NOTE: Download comes with the MIDIs)
LINK TO KZfaq VERSION OF PETER'S SOUNDTRACK: • Master Levels for Doom...
LINK TO PETER'S DOOMWORLD POST RE: THE MIDI PACK: www.doomworld.com/forum/topic...
PATREON:
/ mtpain27

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@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

(I'm not back--refer to the description for further info) LINK TO PETER'S 25th ANNIVERSARY ML MIDI PACK: megasphere.bandcamp.com/album/master-levels-for-doom-ii-25th-anniversary-midi-pack Also special thanks to King Kool for the new dunce cap designs!

@grimspecs4752 3 жыл бұрын

A surprise to see this show up in my feed, but a welcome one indeed. I found it rather interesting that your thoughts on Cranium's maps are nearly identical to mine, though I personally find Bloodsea Keep a little more enjoyable than most. Apparently all of his maps were supposed to be part of a bigger WAD called Cabal and there were 7 or so levels that were also part of that series that weren't submitted to the Master Levels for one reason or another. Which is a shame because I think one of them (Eye of the Storm) is REALLY GOOD. If you get the opportunity you should give it a play. And yeah Klie's maps are pretty bad. But his Master Levels outtakes are even worse. Fantastic content as always, and I eagerly look forward to what's in store for Season 2. :)

@juanignaciomoreno5988 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, don't kill me, but the Master levels also came with Maximum Doom, so technically speaking this review is not even close to being over yet. Would you ever be up for the ultimate challenge of... reviewing all that?

@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

@@juanignaciomoreno5988 Haha

@valletas 3 жыл бұрын

@@MtPain27 i will take that as a yes

@christopherthibeault7502 3 жыл бұрын

The addition of a strawman in the form of Delinquent makes this show all the more infuriating.

@decino 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, you need to have a very high IQ to understand Titan Manor. The progression clues are extremely subtle, and without solid deduction skills most of the hints will go over a typical player's head. There's also the Manor's functionalistic style, which is deftly woven into the map's architecture- it's visuals draw heavily from bauhaus, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depth of this map, to realise that it's not just brilliant- it says something deep about GAMING. As a consequence people who dislike Titan Manor truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the inventiveness in lowering a pillar through a passage inside the fireplace to get the blue skull key, which itself is a cryptic reference to Goethe's German tragic play Faust. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Jim Flynn's genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, I DO have a Master Levels tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎

@sergeiborodin9254 3 жыл бұрын

I am glad that you did Master Levels run. It is my childhood as my first DooM game was Final Doom for PSX. Oh, man, I was 7 or 8 years old boy and this game scared the shit out of me. Plus it was pretty hardcore for a little boy with PSX controls and stuff. Making through Attack, Virgil and Canyon is all I could get.

@Death_Chopper 3 жыл бұрын

this is a cringy Rick and Morty copypasta written in 2018, but epic

@edharding9363 3 жыл бұрын

bruh :-D

@pannomic1818 3 жыл бұрын

wtf ive just read man

@Xulgonoth 3 жыл бұрын

You bastard actually did steal it.

@xjyo 3 жыл бұрын

"Attack is one of the best maps in the master levels. Grade C" So accurate.

@thelippyserver58 2 жыл бұрын

@Cinnamon Killjoy And he was never heard from again... God speed, Killjoy. God speed.

@iBlewupthemoon98 Ай бұрын

“It’s a cut above” Grade: C

@gingleheimer8243 3 жыл бұрын

"One of the best levels in the master levels." Freaking sweet! "Grade: C" Oh no

@nathanbeets8229 Жыл бұрын

Me: *Downloads Doom 2 from steam* "Wow! A whole new set of levels that come with it? What a steal!" *15 mins later:* "It appears what was stolen was my time."

@jorts_master69 9 ай бұрын

And your patience!

@jamesmason3734 3 жыл бұрын

"It's Like The Mucus Flow." Is a great moment.

@vatsalmamgain5069 3 жыл бұрын

My laughter didnt end for like 5 minutes after hearing this😂😂.

@SuperDragonite2172 3 жыл бұрын

I pictured the Dean given the biggest glare of his life at that moment.

@vatsalmamgain5069 3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperDragonite2172 Dean was like, even HELL wont accept you after that statement😤

@xjyo 3 жыл бұрын

@@SuperDragonite2172 this silence reminded me Mike Wazowski with Sally's face.

@andrewmullens9715 3 жыл бұрын

Haha Dean of Doom goes "I..have had enough...Of. YOU"

@SirFactorOfX 3 жыл бұрын

So out of curiosity, I looked up more info on Christen Klie. Before Master Levels, he along with Bob Carter created an earlier commercial doom wad called "The Lost Episodes of Doom." Three episodes for Doom 1, all designed by Carter and Klie. Klie released his maps on Doomworld for free in 2008, in a wad file called chris_k. Compared to what he made for the Master Levels, they were MUCH worse. After Master Levels, he landed a job as lead level designer for LucasArts, where he designed the levels for Outlaws and the Rogue Squadron series. For someone who sucks at making maps, the guy's got one hell of a repertoire.

@ericschuster2680 3 жыл бұрын

*Delinquent compares Master level with Mucus Flow* Millions of Doom players all around the world: "I felt a great disturbance in the force."

@PeterLawrenceYT 3 жыл бұрын

The best video of all time to describe why the Master Levels for Doom II have the reputation they have. Invisible ledge is DUMB.

@vatsalmamgain5069 3 жыл бұрын

You have pretty much attained godly status for making THIS THING(!) kinda playable. Respect at all time high for ya🙏

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, valedictorian!

@christiangottsacker6932 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to download the map files and midis proper? I mean without having to go into doom builder?

@PeterLawrenceYT 3 жыл бұрын

@@christiangottsacker6932 Yeah, for GZDoom, use Blzut3's Master Levels patch. Set it to the PSN order and music set to "Doom 2 Classic (Doom 2 Order)" Or for Crispy Doom, throw the Master Level wads into the same folder as Crispy Doom and run it with the MIDI pack.

@christiangottsacker6932 3 жыл бұрын

@@PeterLawrenceYT thanks Peter. I screen capped it. U beautiful hooman u 😊

@SinCity2100 3 жыл бұрын

The Delinquent of Doom shows up in the beginning.. Oh boy, this will be fun......

@_antares031 3 жыл бұрын

Adding Peter's new MIDI pack to The Master Levels for Doom 2 is like adding The Mucus Flow to Community Chest 2. Well played 👍

@Amberlynn_Reid Жыл бұрын

Yeah and I'm fucking gay as well

@DoomKid 3 жыл бұрын

1:55 ahh, the “sweet” sound of downloading and playing lots of random mid-90s maps from the idgames archive.. D_RUNNIN is forever burned into my mind! Edit: Just finished the video, the way you talked about some of your frustrations with these maps had me cracking up.. but you gave credit where due as well. Great video!

@maximummatt73 3 жыл бұрын

That goddamn song is etched into my brain stem

@crimsonsmoke 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, the DOOM community is in such a great place right now. Thank you MtPain, Decino, Peter and Coincident. You’re truly nice dudes!

@rainer1224 3 жыл бұрын

Master Levels: You can beat us without cheats! Also Master Levels: "Some of the cacodemons that are supposed to fly through the windows get stuck."

@314rft 11 ай бұрын

I laughed way harder on your Gene Bird remark than I honestly should. His presence still lingers even almost 20 years later.

@arevalo8117 3 жыл бұрын

The intro looks like something from Adult Swim

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

It's pretty darn good.

@notimportant3033 2 жыл бұрын

*[rip and tear]*

@Skronkidonk 3 жыл бұрын

"Oh god I'm getting Gene Bird flashbacks" *That killed me lmao*

@jeremydaniel6284 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah when he said that I literally laughed so hard I snorted.

@Bloowashere 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, Bloo here, thanks for the shout out. You've made my day my dude!

@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

And thank you for the MIDI! A really enchanting piece. You did Dr. Sleep proud.

@Bloowashere 3 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to hear it. This is why I got into music to begin. To make the listener feel something. I will be in map 8 of nerve's no rest for the living map pack as well which I'm super excited about.

@JGT-yd2wx Жыл бұрын

"Delinquint, what is you like about the master levels?" "It's a classic!" "Mhmm" *Worried expression intensifies*

@lemonlytical2071 3 жыл бұрын

"Like mucus flow" Dean of doom - ..................................get out.

@The_Nametag Жыл бұрын

Since you're such a fan of Christen Klie's levels, you should check out the Lost Episodes of Doom. :D (The internet runs on schadenfreude.)

@MtPain27 Жыл бұрын

Haha, truer words were never spoken

@coincident 3 жыл бұрын

Hey MtPain! Nice video. Did you know you can add 'chapters' to the video just by putting a sequence of timestamps in the description? For example: 00:00 Intro & Rules 03:07 Attack 03:35 Canyon ... 20:58 TEETH 22:12 Bad Dream 22:38 Conclusion It makes it easier for people who want to browse for reviews of specific levels. (not sure if you knew this already, just trying to help!)

@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Coincident! Thanks for the tip; I was aware of that feature, but I prefer that people experience the video in full (at least the first time) rather than skip around. I may make it an off-season project to timestamp all my old videos now that most people have seen them once or twice, but not for new ones like this.

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

@@MtPain27 I'm down for chapter-ing the old Dean of Doom episodes, as I odten go back to them while looking for specific levels.

@SinCity2100 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there, I saw you play one of Jim Flynn's "Masterpiece" maps from Eternal Doom, the video was really entertaining and helped me get through a bad mood...

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

@@SinCity2100 If you want your bad mood to go away for a long time, watch his playlist of Valiant, you'll love it.

@coincident 3 жыл бұрын

@@SinCity2100 Hey mate! It's great to know I could help you in a bad day. Nothing better than some doom to forget our troubles for a while and just chill and enjoy, in absolute video-game-blissfulness. Hope your days get better. And remember: nothing bad lasts forever!

@garret4075 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you saw but you inspired Decino to play the Mucus Flow and he praised your videos highly once again. It still bears repeating though, you do great stuff; hype for season 2 is on the rise!

@robowisanveithasung6022 3 жыл бұрын

the fact that the delinquent of doom cannot even say "Megawad" is truly worthy of his title

@mrhondo12345 3 жыл бұрын

I laughed out loud when the delinquent said ''like Mucus Flow''

@ShadesMan 3 жыл бұрын

16:05 - mepfisted to death, there's the pun! Love this channel.

@Mate_Antal_Zoltan 3 жыл бұрын

the intended spelling would probably be Mephisted, you know, like Mephisto, but replacing the -o with -ed

@ShadesMan 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan Or... perhaps... Mephistinated. heh, either way it's a clever pun. Again, this channel I learned words like "Verisimilitude" from so it does make sense to call this segment Dean of Doom. Brings me back to how I first learned of "Demesne" from Quake and Heretic.

@sanketower 3 жыл бұрын

Damn, I can't wait for the Peter Lawrence Playthrough with commentary as part of the Valedictorian revisits for Patreons. Wonder if you'll manage to do it saveless.

@CampyClaptrap 3 жыл бұрын

"Attack is one of the best maps in the master levels. Grade: C"

@vatsalmamgain5069 3 жыл бұрын

MLoD in a nutshell

@Imjustheretowatchvideosyouknow 3 жыл бұрын

I am so glad you called Mephisto's Mausoleum "the worst thing ever". The first time I played it I didn't realize you needed to save rockets for the ending so I was literally stuck at the finale and had to start from scratch. What a map. Definitely the worst from any official WAD. Here's hoping to see No Rest For The Living in season 2!

@shaunpaulcroft 3 жыл бұрын

First time I played that map at age 8, I never even figured out how to get into the damn building. I always skipped it, thanks to the PS1 level passwords being written down by the previous owner. This is also how I discovered Plutonia and TNT, without knowing they weren't original Doom 2 levels. Safe to say I sucked balls back then, but enjoyed the game enough to still play to this day.

@expendableround6186 2 жыл бұрын

Once again, I've always said that the "Master" Levels are _much_ worse than TNT. TNT wasn't even a "bad" WAD to begin with; It just got the unfortunate fate of being paired with Plutonia.

@adrijanvuckovic1004 3 жыл бұрын

summer school in february! doom education is something else!

@steelph7006 3 жыл бұрын

If you thought Jim Flynn's maps were convoluted here, his contributions to Eternal Doom would make you *weep*.

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

Professor Mount's summer school is the only summer school I'm eager to attend even if I don't need grade improvements or extra credit. No, really, it was mighty generous of you to put the vacation between seasons on hold to make a review episode that easily matches the quality of the regular schedule. So thank you, sir! 😇 Also don't mind the Delinquent, he got a good slap to the horns on the way out that day >:3

@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

And thank you for watching, Dinner-fork!

@thestabbybrit4798 3 жыл бұрын

Spare a thought for us poor souls who played Final Doom on the PSX, where they gutted TNT and Plutonia of their more complex (and Arch Vile heavy) maps and slapped some Master Levels in to make up the difference.

@karlmarxsteingoldberg-kike4046 3 жыл бұрын

The new music in the PSX version makes it tolerable at least.

@abd-qadirgilani8871 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't listen to UltimaMantoid when he said "I'll only play PlayStation Ultimate DooM & DooM II I'm not gonna touch PSX Final DooM. Don't. You'll regret it". And WhaddaYouKnow, I did regret it. PlayStation Final DooM is as bad as PlayStaion DooM is awesome. They, like, removed ALL the fun maps from TNT and Plutonia and only left the shite ones. Really? Y'all removed Stronghold because"too many enemies" but left Deepest Reaches which is huge? REALLY!?

@BladeTrain3r 3 жыл бұрын

On the bright side you did get an OST from Aubrey Hodges, if you're into the more low industrial kinda stuff.

@kinganarkzie 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I had the PSX version and it was a real mixed bag, technical issues and lack of levels aside it had superior sound and what levels it did have were retouched to improve their quality, that invisible ledge in Vesperas is visible in that edition and Subspace just looks a hell of a lot better with the starry night sky box it also had some cool lighting FX's that are dated now but looked really cool back then. That was back in the day when different systems provided a different experience now everything plays the same which is better.

@OmegaTyrant 2 жыл бұрын

The Master Levels were some of the first Doom content I played when I finally got to explore wad content back in 2010, as they came free with the Steam purchase of Doom 2, and well that wasn't a good intro to what wads are capable of. I did at least really enjoy Black Tower and agree it's the best, and I found TEETH pretty cool too, but yeah the rest was forgettable or miserable. The maps do get improved though when they're "PSXfied", as at least they do become a lot more visually impressive and Hodges made some pretty creepy music tracks for them (PSX Geryon in particular is one of his best), while some of their worst gameplay aspects are addressed (especially the ones recreated by fans in the PSX Doom Lost Levels project).

@tjg121389 3 жыл бұрын

Man, Peter's soundtrack is making everyone revisit this. And by "everyone", I mean you and Decino. It's amazing what some new music can do to a set of levels. I've never played the Master Levels. I remember seeing the game box in stores all the time back then, and imagining these giant, extremely difficult maps. Flash forward 25 years later, I see Decino's playthrough and realize why everyone says they're not very good. Some maps look kinda fun at least. Also, the new intro is nice!

@steved1387 2 жыл бұрын

"This bothers me on a subatomic level." LOL, that is some Hall of Fame shade.

@officialFredDurstfanclub 2 жыл бұрын

Applying the midi pack to the master levels is like mixing champagne and sewage

@thatguyknownaswill8180 2 жыл бұрын

While it might be (and certainly is by today’s standards) comical to include a description like 3:42 with your maps, keep in mind The Master Levels was also packaged with “Maximum Doom.” For anyone unfamiliar with it, here’s the doomwiki for it doom.fandom.com/wiki/Maximum_Doom Yeah. I’ve seen some of these levels. One of them is just a series of tubes that you can’t enter until you lure a Cacodemon out of the tube and into the small area you are in, and then you have to shoot an unmarked wall in a dark hallway to progress and do the same tube dance a dozen or so more times. Another one is just E1M1 but with a bunch of high level enemies crowding the area, and a cyberdemon ready to explode your sorry ass Grosse style at the end of the level. Except you don’t have the ammo to fight him and it’s in E1M1 so you don’t have much room to maneuver. So in terms of community mapping standards of the time, and especially considering those awful maps were packed in with The Master Levels, it’s no wonder why Willits felt the need to specify that you could complete it without cheats, or that it has great texture alignment and well placed monsters. From what I can tell, coming across a map like that in the wild would have been like discovering a megawad as beautiful as Ancient Aliens or Eviternity awash thousands of other maps that all look like e2m9. Also Maximum Doom when MtPain?

@Neurometry 3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait until summer school next year when we see you review the other advertised 3000 maps in the master levels. I'll be sure to fail everything so i can be there in person

@LightningBoltForever Жыл бұрын

Coming back to re-watch this (idk if anyone's pointed this out already), but I noticed that "At Doom's Gate" is playing VERY faintly in the background at the beginning as the delinquent is making his way down the hall. Neat little touch there! Now I'm wondering if there are subtleties like that in other episodes I've already seen

@zippo71111 3 жыл бұрын

Map 15 makes me shiver. It should belong to the 1000 levels shareware disc, it might've been more respected there. And yea subspace, shoot the door. Didn't occur to me at the time as i spent 20 minutes pressing walls and looking for hidden switches outside the windows, the psx version of that level had good atmosphere so i give them that.

@Blappyboop 3 жыл бұрын

I’m assuming if the pain elemental is the bad kid, then the cacodemon is a teachers pet

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

I swear, if the Professor ever features the Hissy plushie sprite (as seen in Ashes 2063) on his table, I will laugh and cheer.

@expendableround6186 3 жыл бұрын

I know the Master Levels are meant to be pistol-started, but it really makes a world of difference when one can play these continuously.

@Pengairxan 3 жыл бұрын

I was not expecting this video at all. And judging by the mentions you've made of it over the first season this is not going to be a normal "Dean of Doom" episode. This is going to be a grade A asswhooping by the Dean and I am both scared and excited.

@Wertercat Жыл бұрын

You should look at Works of the Masters, it's an expanded version of the Master Levels using the creators' other works to make more cohesive episodes.

@liamaldrich2476 3 жыл бұрын

Massive props to Peter for making these levels playable again, it was cool to see you and decino both covering them with large thanks to his MIDIs

@cimcam9949 3 жыл бұрын

What a nice surprise!! I hope this means you'll be taking a good long break, you deserve it. Burnout is brutal, wouldn't want to see you put yourself through it. The little tweaks to the formula bode well for season 2; I love the new intro and the fact that song titles and authors get displayed while listening. Peter's MIDIs are indeed a godsend. You're in luck, too, because he's currently leading a group project to make a MIDI pack for No Rest for the Living, so pretty soon you'll have another greatly-enriched playthrough on the table. (Of course, it helps that NRftL is actually good.)

@ultrak0w 3 жыл бұрын

Gene Bird was in the running for a guest spot on this WAD

@alexrexaros9837 3 жыл бұрын

Weird? Check. Odd ball design? Check. Incomprehensible choices from the designer? Check. Absolute banger of a midi pack made by a fan? *Check.*

@capnsycamore2060 3 жыл бұрын

The only way a summer school can be fun: with mt. Pain being the teacher!

@rolftheuber 3 жыл бұрын

The delinquent of doom is such a great character, all he wants to do is stream call of duty warzone with his friends but his parents are forcing him to go to doom college just like they did, it must be really rough growing up as a pain elemental these days

@TrashGoblin824 3 жыл бұрын

www.moddb.com/mods/call-of-doom-cod-style-advanced-weapons-mod Maybe Delinquent should try this mod, then?

@Ioannis29 3 жыл бұрын

Ah brilliant! You’ve answered my prayers!!!! Lol Thank you Dean of Doom! Great episode! Enjoy your well deserved break now and good health to you 👍

@no-man_baugh Жыл бұрын

Even back when this wad set first came out it was nothing more than an adbuy. The Master Levels for Doom II were made pretty much just to compete with D!Zone (a series of 3rd party addon packs for Doom and Doom II that conained 100's to 1,000's of fan made wads lifted straight from various file sharing sites). And in the original release and in the id anthology came with it a directory called "Maximum Doom", which contained 1830 contemporary fan made pwads for Doom, Doom II and even Heretic Of course you won't fine Maximum Doom in any modern releases of the Master Levels, but there it a catalog of it's contents in "The Maximum Doom reference" over at the idgamesarchive

@StrangeDaysGaming 3 жыл бұрын

decino does the master levels, the dean does the master levels. I'm not saying decino and the dean are the same guy just throwing his voice...... but I am saying we've never seem them both in a room together at the same time

@mja2317 3 жыл бұрын

Probably in the minority here but I love Jim Flynn's maps. They have a real old-school 90s adventure feel. Then again, I'm a casual Doomer who prefers a bit of puzzle time over constantly running for my life on UV.

@jeremydaniel6284 2 жыл бұрын

The part in the Garrison where you added the clip from Full Metal Jacket, staring at all the BFGs....yeah bro I laughed so so so hard

@gabrielloko30000 3 жыл бұрын

I can hear those Mock 2 references, and i guessit drives the point home

@SuperDragonite2172 3 жыл бұрын

Well this video was a pleasant surprise. I enjoyed the new edits not seen in Season 1 of Dean of Doom. I wonder if Quent (my shorthand for the Delinquent of Doom) will be getting some sort of detention for joking about playing the Master Levels. As for the WAD itself, it's not what I expected. I had heard that TNT and Plutonia were very difficult and my brain made the assumption that the Master Levels were a step up from that. I guess in actuality they're extremely hit or miss with more of the latter than the former. I'm not sure if I'll take this WAD for a spin or not at this point, but if I do I'll likely drag a friend along for the ride. Peter's music was great throughout and it definitely breaths new life into the maps (or at least as much as it can considering some of them). After seeing all the MegaWADs reviewed on your show, I'm very tempted to get some sort of Doom Map builder and try my hand and making map. What holds that temptation back is being so busy with a myriad of other projects. Keep up the great work and I look forward to your next video. //Draco

@isaac_759 3 жыл бұрын

Finally, I can die happy

@sozhran 3 жыл бұрын

3:50 Finally, Doom levels that can be completed _with out_ cheating. Thanks Tim! lol

@XaviarCraig 3 жыл бұрын

Your comment about the midi packs: I agree fully. It also holds true if you got a new midi soundfont or device. When I first got an SC88pro a couple years ago; it made playing through the original doom a noticeably different experience. Also thank you for covering this WAD. It saves me some time for better older wads... like STRAIN!

@thoumi96 3 жыл бұрын

You did it! You made a Dean of Doom of The master levels for DOOM II.. damn.

@JoshuaHull 3 жыл бұрын

I think I enjoy Dean more when he's grumpy. So naturally Season 2 should should be all D!Zone reviews :)

@ThePageofCups 3 жыл бұрын

The "oh no" cut off in the intro is fantastic.

@augustuscarson Жыл бұрын

This has always been something of my TNT: Evilution: it was the only "new" WAD on the original Xbox port of the classic Doom games, which included Doom and Doom II as well, and accordingly I remember playing A LOT of Master Levels with my siblings as a twelve-year-old. Some of my fondest memories are ones like exploring the massive Titan maps together for hours, lol. Having said that, I love your review and can definitely see how they would play for someone who did not grow up playing them. As always, keep up the admirable work and thanks for another splendid episode, Dean!

@PS-cf9lc 3 жыл бұрын

My personal soundtrack for these wads are just babies crying i think it fits the level quality really well

@christiangottsacker6932 3 жыл бұрын

You played DooM64 and never left

@continuum_mid 3 жыл бұрын

Can tell that you've been working on your video editing (which was already good), this makes me very excited to see what you will be reviewing in Season 2!

@chasepalumbo2929 Ай бұрын

Each time I rewatch these videos I’m reminded how funny and endearing the skits are

@ShattForte 3 жыл бұрын

RIGHT AS THE VIDEO STARTS OH LAWD HE COMIN

@ShattForte 3 жыл бұрын

I HAVEN'T CLICKED THE LIKE BUTTON FASTER IN MY LIFE

@christiangottsacker6932 3 жыл бұрын

Dumby thiiiccc

@amunako Жыл бұрын

I can't wait for the video on The Lost Episodes of Doom.

@audiosurfarchive 2 жыл бұрын

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! Locrian Trap MIDI is 🔥🔥🔥 I'm pretty much on a collision course of making hip-hop influenced MIDIs myself because it's straight heat.

@Contret 3 жыл бұрын

Dayum boy your content rules so much, all the quality, jokes, puns, references! You clearly put a lot of hard work behind the scenes for sure, props to you for that! Waiting for new vids with dat ring 🔔

@himynameisben95 2 жыл бұрын

"One of the best maps in the Master Levels. Grade: C" hahaha off to a good start

@saibot1246 3 жыл бұрын

Baissicly i'm going to play only black tower traped in the titan and express elevator to hell only

@Consummation13 3 жыл бұрын

So glad to see you're still uploading. We all miss you

@finnaboing 3 жыл бұрын

let it be known that the second least common quality rating WAS an F (with 16), but because of this episode the 2nd least common is now A+ thank you master levels, very cool (also, for anyone wondering, the least common quality grade (not including (REDACTED) or EZ) right now is a D+, with only 12 given out)

@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын

That D+ has now been beaten. I doubt we will ever get a second X+ in this show again.

@NightlifeSux 3 жыл бұрын

I nominate Perdition's Gate for season 2. Tom Mustaine really loves hitscanners and the SSG.

@DinnerForkTongue 2 ай бұрын

This aged well. Perdition's Gate was a good episode.

@mikebyj2310 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this. You said some words I will look up later. I never even knew about this level pack until last year. Overall I enjoyed it, but that key you have to jump over the stairs to get was a bad idea, as was the mandatory ledge that you can’t see (over the poison pit), and mephisto’s mausoleum. Besides the aforementioned travesty, Cranium’s maps are the best and most memorable for me. I enjoyed this wad greatly, except for everything I said two sentences ago. Thanks for the heart you promised.

@kingkuma4112 3 жыл бұрын

I feel overall TML aren't all hot garbage - some of them are half - decent maps that could fit in doom II. It's just the awful ones give the WAD a bad name -, or I should say, a _Bad Dream_ .

@404waffles 3 жыл бұрын

I can't blame the Master Levels designers for making shitty maps - it came out, like, a year after Doom II. Plus, we're looking back at it from atop nearly 30 years' worth of advancements in mapping technique.

@ClassicDOOM 2 жыл бұрын

Comprehensive and fair review. Well produced and nicely done. Cheers. :)

@Duothimir 3 жыл бұрын

Played the Master Levels all the way through for the first time over the last couple days. Mephisto's Masoleum frustrated me so much that I gave up and cheated to beat it. Not a single regret.

@nemtudom5074 3 жыл бұрын

As someone whose favourite doom level is black tower, i must say, that the new track peter made for it is outstanding, and just so perfect!

@Dynamo128 3 жыл бұрын

Dr Sleep, Tom Mustaine and Jim Flynn were legends back in the day, and if you liked Titan Manor, wait until you play Eternal Doom MAP31, or even The Enigma Episode, by the same author... Yes, that style of level *did* catch on, believe it or not :P

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

Funny you say that, because the latest PuZzLe MaP I've ever seen was Metal Mansion from 2011's Reverie.

@Dynamo128 3 жыл бұрын

reverie itself was heavily influenced by two authors from the master levels, including the one whose maps have been thrashed here, not coincidentally. They all were influential mappers.

@nbrocx4216 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 5k subs, MtPain27! :) Hope you are having a good month (and year) so far. Cheers.

@MtPain27 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Best wishes to you as well

@spesta3336 3 жыл бұрын

I don't even play doom but I still watch your videos, great work man, keep it up!

@wonderguardstalker 3 жыл бұрын

Season 2 in MARCH? You are too good Great episode by the way. I could feel the misery emanating from the footage

@thiccyosh 3 жыл бұрын

The only thing I remember from the Master levels is when I played Map 05 I wondered if I had too much Parmesan on my spaghetti. And let me tell you that is probably the reason why I don't like the Master levels because I had a terrible headache afterwards. This Wad is cursed.

@DotGamesLive 3 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to say I've gone through a marathon of your show. I enjoyed it, enjoy the sub, no idea what Gene Bird did to you all those years ago, (it was funny, I laughed A LOT, but I kinda felt bad for him by the end lol) but lemme just say More Delinquent. Easily my favorite bit. OKAY, DOOMER. Great work!

@blackcirnoguro5953 3 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for a Gene Bird + Christen Klie mega wad collab

@dunndunn3850 3 жыл бұрын

oh god

@Alephany 3 жыл бұрын

Aaah yes. The problem of the yellow key room in Subspace. Most likely everyone got "stuck" there including myself when I first tried The Master Levels on PS4. You're not stuck in this room but the way out is so easy to pass by. If you run towards the window at 10:03 from the yellow key part, you'll be out of this "room". It's dumb and doesn't change the fact that it still sucks. Glad to see Black Tower as one of your favorite. If I had to say 1 thing about The Master Levels would be : "Some levels have good ideas (Mephisto's Maosoleum, T.E.E.T.H. and even Titan Manor) but they are so badly designed it makes the ideas look horrible." I wonder if you'll make a Dean Of Doom for Perdition's Gate? It was made by Tom Mustaine and his Dad for Final Doom (more info on his website).

@consentwastaken1 3 жыл бұрын

i keep loving this channel more and more

@Hayden49 6 ай бұрын

Christian Klie and Gene Bird should make a wad together

@Mozicon 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone needs to appreciate Peter Lawrence for he got both decino and MtPain27 to do the Master Levels. Also, your thoughts on Titan Manor and Mephisto's Mausoleum were spot on. Mephisto's actually got me to stop my playthrough for the Master Levels. I'll finish it eventually, but god damn is that indoor revenant fight stupid.

@shiba2ndworlder 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe Christin was eating subway sandwiches and adding the prefix -Sub was the first thing that came into his mind and stomach.

@DinnerForkTongue 2 ай бұрын

Certainly matches his level of mapping competence.

@wjrg7180 3 жыл бұрын

15:40 - if I was taking notes in Dean's class I would have drawn a big key + !!!'s for this sentence. Really appreciate you, Teach.

@AncientIdol Жыл бұрын

"Attack is one of the best maps in the master levels. Grade: C" I swear I fucking lost it there. 10/10 Alright, jokes aside, I agreed with the vast majority of your rankings. The Master Levels has a myriad of problems (repetitive music, extremely different styles going from one map to the other, unfair difficulty), but the biggest problem here is that most of the maps are extremely well-designed, it's just that they don't play well. AT ALL. Sverre's maps are borderline unplayable (save for Bloodsea Keep, and just barely), Jim Flynn's maps super ambitious, smart and marvelous, but they were obnoxiously tedious to get through. Tom Mustaine's "Paradox" is a masterpiece, Christen David Klie's maps all look alike and they are equally unimpressive. Dr. Sleep's maps are all equally as great but they are ridiculously hard... This campaign is the textbook definition of "a great idea that was poorly executed... 20 times" (I left Paradox out for obvious reasons).

@flkfnd 2 жыл бұрын

New here, love the channel format and the way you articulate your points, Subscribed!

@todpolle 3 жыл бұрын

Makes me glad that these aren't added to Bethesda's DOOM Add-on's list. I don't know what console I them on but I only played the first 2 levels and a bit of the third levels. Speaking of Bethasda, are the Add-ons going to be talked about this year? I'm expecting BTSX2 cause it's a sequel to a previous episode and No Rest For The Living cause it's the only official doom game you haven't covered to my knowledge.

@TrashGoblin824 3 жыл бұрын

No, instead it's just in Doom 2 by default and you can play them right from the new game menu

@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын

I am eagerly, EAGERLY looking forward to Dean of Doom: BTSX E2. It's such a good wad.