The math behind: Dancers to a Discordant System by Meshuggah

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Time Consuming Ep #43: The long requested 'Dancers to a Discordant System' break down is here!
One of the few Meshuggah songs that use a triplet subdivision, which may be a very dominant factor in making this song SUPER heavy!
Mega thanks to Amit Plaschkes for the epic guitar work! Best dude ever.
'Dancers to a Discordant System' original song:
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0:00 intro
0:47 shameless plug
1:14 the calculator
1:40 time signature and subdivision
2:09 riff #1
3:54 riff #2
5:40 riff #2.1
6:41 riff #3
7:56 riff #4
8:55 riff #5
10:19 riff #6
11:20 riff #6.1
11:44 riff #7
13:38 riff #8
14:56 riff #9
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The "Time Consuming Suggestions" playlist has all the suggestions I got from you guys in the comments, plus a bunch of options I've put in.
Some of them may not have polyrhythms, and I'll delete them slowly once I go over it all!
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This video is obviously just the beginning of this concept, and there's a lot more to it. If you'd want to dive deeper, feel free to contact me at gabayyogev@gmail.com
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Intro by Sharon Renold (@sharonrenold on Instagram) and myself
Intro music by Shwesmo (@shwesmo on Instagram)
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@craigfrober316 3 жыл бұрын

"How would you describe Meshuggah's music?" "Humbling."

@HerbalistGuybrush 3 жыл бұрын

Buncha numbers but good

@SpiritofPoison Жыл бұрын

@@HerbalistGuybrush it’s only numbers when people make it numbers

@thenuttednutter2669 5 ай бұрын

Trying bleed thinking its nothing:

@M2Mil7er 3 жыл бұрын

I'm one of the sadists who voted for this. Sorry man. But what an incredible breakdown. You should be proud.

@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385 3 жыл бұрын

Meshuggah!!!!

@davecrupel2817 Жыл бұрын

You absolute *madman!*

@nomusician4737 3 жыл бұрын

I've got a drummer friend who said something like: 'Tomas Haake has built a career trying to figure out how complicated ha can make a simple 4/4.' Sounds about right.

@ric3160 Жыл бұрын

@n.penston8341 3 жыл бұрын

I had a music professor that made us dance our parts without our instruments until we had internalized the rhythms. He was a very serious guy, and no one was brave enough to be "too embarrassed to dance". Very important lesson for me.

@tessacyclone6329 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@BFG-hv2ml 2 ай бұрын

Were you rushing, or were you dragging?

@deathmetalanddoom 3 жыл бұрын

Yogev you are an absolute legend - I've never seen anyone make something so dense/complex as Meshuggah so easy to follow along with and understand.

@Zeta9966 3 жыл бұрын

It’s basically like a preschool class for those of us beneath Meshuggahs level.

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot bro, I'm super happy you like these!

@donovandorrance 3 жыл бұрын

yeah seriously. thank you so much Yogev. Has the band seen your videos? i'm sure they would appreciate it. and perhaps they could help you to have more followers/more patreon supporters by sharing... honestly, i'm gonna go sign up right now cause you deserve the $$!!!

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

@@donovandorrance Thanks! And I'm trying to get them to see these, no success yet. Any ideas about how to do so?

@donovandorrance 3 жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay reddit magic never ceases to amaze me. i bet in the /r/meshuggah subreddit or one of the many metal subgenre subreddits there are folks who know the band and if one of your videos were posted there and made popular enough, might reach their eyes. that's my only idea!

@cmloegcmluin 3 жыл бұрын

I have spent about an hour listening to you count Riff #2 at 0.25x playback speed lol. I am realizing that while I've headbanged to this riff about 100 times before, I never fully understood it. Amazing. Thank you.

@cmloegcmluin 3 жыл бұрын

Also I then just headbanged to it 50 more times in a row until I could really feel every nook and cranny of it. And my enjoyment increased, as it always does whenever I really get my head around a Meshuggah riff! YAAAA!!!

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

That is awesome!

@MittensOnly 3 жыл бұрын

I cannot imagine the amount of work and effort that went into analyzing and recording/editing this video Amazing work Now do Stengah

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton!

@djc741 3 жыл бұрын

Riff 7 is one of my favorite Meshuggah riffs. Thank you for dissecting it so well.

@Onamorata 3 жыл бұрын

I really love how meshuggah says everything in 4:4. It’s like, yeah... but what about all that other shit where you play a phrase 7 full times with 21 beats and then add 5 beats on the 8th lmao.

@choronzon69 3 жыл бұрын

Haha yes, this, yeah the time signature is 4/4, but they're dividing crazy groups of odd numbers over that and chucking remainders at you so all the multiples line up... 🤣 It's very complex but to them it's natural.

@shadow105720 3 жыл бұрын

The remainders are literally to get the phrases back into a division of 4/4 lmao. The most complex part 'for simplicity'

@Onamorata 3 жыл бұрын

@@shadow105720 right, to them it’s 4/4 but to everybody else that shit is ridiculous 🤣

@axhed 10 ай бұрын

i mean, the cherry hill guitar tab book at guitar center says it's all 4/4. like come on folks... it's not that hard...

@ilay829 5 ай бұрын

Sum?

@gaseredtune5284 3 жыл бұрын

this is awesome. Do the entire album of Catch 33 now

@marciosantana5365 3 жыл бұрын

lmao you're gonna kill the man 😂

@fonesrphunny7242 3 жыл бұрын

Disenchantment alone could kill a lesser man.

@marciosantana5365 3 жыл бұрын

@@fonesrphunny7242 ok I guess

@coloripple 3 жыл бұрын

Haha the length of that breakdown would be a full movie xD (but yeah that would be insane!)

@999Tyrael 3 жыл бұрын

Or "I"

@nasyithrahman9594 3 жыл бұрын

Love that hidden 0 in the calculator

@NoEasyFeet 3 жыл бұрын

how wild would it be to see Yogev get into ALL of Catch33 or I

@voidabstraction 3 жыл бұрын

Catch 33 except for 1 section is pretty basic. It's one of my favourite albums for sure, and would love to see an entire live set of it. But it's realitively simple (again except for that 1 section haha).

@educostanzo 3 жыл бұрын

It would be amazing to see "I" dissected like this, but I'm afraid we would lose him.

@Koropokel 3 жыл бұрын

@@voidabstraction the complexity comes to you when you see it as one giant symphony

@guitaristssuck8979 3 жыл бұрын

He's got all the month of May

@Dslayer066 3 жыл бұрын

to do "I" he has to do a Lord of the rings trilogy or some shit like that!

@amidstdisgust 3 жыл бұрын

Listening to Strong Bad talk about metal is one of my favorite things.

@OnlyWayToPlay 3 жыл бұрын

OMG I’m so glad you said that cuz I thought I was the only one LOL he’s amazing regardless. I’m addicted to Meshuggah now 😂😂😂

@misterlizard 3 жыл бұрын

lol show me your skills of an artist

@amidstdisgust 3 жыл бұрын

For real, these videos are great!

@MegaCurtisimo 2 жыл бұрын

When is the musical breakdown of Limozeen and/or Tarantula?

@benjamincoggins6568 Жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJ1iga6D3r6VfnU.html

@kyatzz 3 жыл бұрын

Meshuggah always has that fantastic combination of being almost alienatingly jarring and exceptionally groovy and it just draws you in to listen again and again to actually get a grasp of what you're hearing.

@thenuttednutter2669 5 ай бұрын

Its like freakn metal Jazz lmao. Just got the immutable album on vinyl. Made my whole day.

@Enthalpiste 3 жыл бұрын

Ah yes. Riff number 5. The one I called "Where the fuck is the snare?". Because I always mess it up and end up like "1, 2, *bang* , 4, 1, 2, *bang* , 4, ...,1 2 *wtf? no snare?* , 4 *bang* ..." and my counting is fucked.

@ivenssiqueira 3 жыл бұрын

I always thought Haake was like Imma gonna hit it whenever the fuck I feel like

@dylanj635 2 жыл бұрын

The snare sounds really confusing under what they're playing in that part, but it's just a half time 4/4 snare on the 2 and 4. The snare never changes from the part leading into it, but the whole band starts playing a 14/16th override on top counted: 1234 1234 123 123 1.. I've been drumming for 20+ years and I still struggle to keep track of both rhythms at the same time :')

@redwildrider 3 жыл бұрын

On riff 7, add up all the bends... 40 beats each half for a total of 80. Add in the 112 beats from the 12s and 16s, and that gives us 192... which is 16 times 12, so still locked into the 4/4.

@scosstard3542 3 жыл бұрын

"Yogev the Dissector" should be your nickname ;) Amazing man!

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

That's my WWF name

@cmcp975 3 жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay 😆

@blaeser13 3 жыл бұрын

I didn't vote for this song, but I watched the whole thing anyway cuz I'm addicted to Meshuggah, polyrhythms, and Yogev's content

@metalheads-golf 3 жыл бұрын

Yeps and there is no helping it. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@jmricks 3 жыл бұрын

Riff #8 is my favorite part of the song from a drumming perspective. I wish you would have explained that section from the drum pattern point of view. It's sort of similar to a triplet grid exercise where you displace the accent one triplet eighth note forward every measure. In this case, it's the patten that's displaced forward every measure, all while keeping the right hand hitting constant quarter notes. It's such a fun and groovy section of the song.

@dylanj635 2 жыл бұрын

It's my favorite part too, really hits on the The Ophidian Trek live version. It's pretty simple from a drumming perspective. The snare follows a 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 pattern where each snare hit is preceded by two kicks and each grouping is ended with a single kick: kkSk kkSkkSk kkSk kkSkkSkkSk. As a drummer, I really only focus on the 1 - 2 - 1 - 3 snare count while the feet fill in the blanks. It sounds amazing because it takes 16 repetitions before it resolves back with the 1, so its constantly tugging you in different directions relative to the 4/4 pulse.

@superking208 3 жыл бұрын

Dude, you have rapidly become my favorite music KZfaqr. So incredibly stoked for Mayshuggah!

@metalheads-golf 3 жыл бұрын

🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

@bendorshai123 3 жыл бұрын

riff number 7 required much more exploration, this is the precious momnet of this song to me

@niklasp93 3 жыл бұрын

This channel is pure gold!

@Skavengerx 3 жыл бұрын

I love how the disappearing stuff in the background is becoming an evolving meme. But you know at some point it will get out of control ^^

@crispinmcfiddlesticks5125 3 жыл бұрын

random keyboard or screen being yanked out of frame lol.

@kwilcox417 3 жыл бұрын

Riff #8 is my favorite and I love trying to tap my fingers to it. Yogev, you're amazing. This song is way more complicated than I ever knew.

@ivenssiqueira 3 жыл бұрын

Either hands or feet, it's just too polyrythmic for me

@enriquegrajeda7872 Жыл бұрын

Riff #8 is just perfect. Im in a loop with it… i just repeat and repeat and repeat…

@jheremiahsimon3298 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if we spammed meshuggah enough would they do a reaction video to one of these breakdowns?

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

PLEASEEEE

@qasderfful 3 жыл бұрын

STOP INTERRUPTING MY HEADBANGING DAMNIT!

@horseradish4046 3 жыл бұрын

Very excited for next episode. Any of the three songs would be amazing to see broken down like this. I think Electric Red would be the most interesting EDIT: the madlad did it!

@ginger_cryptid 3 жыл бұрын

I am not a drummer nor am I any good at maths, but this series is incredible and gives me hope that, one day, I might possibly be able to play Meshuggah songs. Gods bless you, Yogev.

@Mikey49ers 2 жыл бұрын

Summarising Meshuggah to a new fan, Math metal for the decisively indecisive.

@JahlisMan 3 жыл бұрын

honestly, the way you present all these numbers, I'd be happy to watch even a half-hour vid, or even longer! would my brain give up near the end and not digest the information? probably. would I still be entertained though? hell yeah

@hendrikwasgehtsiedasan7103 3 жыл бұрын

Dude i dont comment that much on videos but i have to on this one. this was AMAZING! i was hyped for this video since the poll from the do not look down video (which was awesome too!) because dancers has to be one of my favorite Meshuggah songs The editing was on point and im sure it must have taken ages to deconstruct this song, make a script etc. Thanks for the Amazing content Yogev keep it up! now im off to listen to obzen for the rest of the day :D and since i cant find the poll right now ill just comment that i'd vote for electric red but the other songs would be great too :D

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

Yo here it is! kzfaq.infoUgzmAeZATHreUyttQd14AaABCQ

@hendrikwasgehtsiedasan7103 3 жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay Thanks! :D

@randyscreations835 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone else have a headache after watching this? Lol My gawd, the patience and tenacity needed to follow this through, bravo sir

@HannibalBarga 3 жыл бұрын

I have been air playing and instrument playing this song for the Last 4years every Day to relax and it's only now that i feel i grasp it à bit better Dude you are a legend. And the life version is better then album btw. Side note. The Light Guy on this song also goes nuts... On the the live version. I hope to see them once before they/i die. 🤞🤘

@23ograin53 3 жыл бұрын

11:32 Very important to understand this comment. These mathematical breakdowns of the songs are useful for figuring out the patterns being played over 4/4, BUT it's crucial to hear the song in 4/4 NOT the patterns! Otherwise you will be forever lost, completely missing the actual 4/4 groove.

@benjamincoggins6568 2 жыл бұрын

So true. It’s very much a 4/4 pulse throughout which gives it its groove.

@Chris_Ha_Trio 2 жыл бұрын

The Magic starts when you are able to hear both, the groove AND the patterns and can enjoy them simultaneously.

@benjamincoggins6568 Жыл бұрын

@@Chris_Ha_Trio Yep. It’s that ‘contradiction’ that makes it work so well. It’s like moving your brain and your body in polar directions. Always anchored so it holds firm, but also always shifting so it stays cerebral. It’s the thinking person’s metal.

@mattshu Жыл бұрын

Drumming aside this is one of the most creative video styles I’ve ever seen on KZfaq ❤

@YogevGabay 11 ай бұрын

Happy you think so !

@michabula5763 3 жыл бұрын

8:57 I'm glad I didn't take a sip of coffee when you said that LOL

@bobrutledge54 2 жыл бұрын

The casino must hate to see you walk through the door because you must be able to count cards if you can count this

@taranloses 3 жыл бұрын

Man this video was intense, I could feel my brain working. And those are some excellent choices for next month, can’t wait for that.

@johannschiel6734 3 жыл бұрын

To quote Thomas Kaake himself: "No one knows how "I" goes"...

@TheSadSadBanana 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely stellar work, I just repaired my 8 string after leaving it in a dark sad corner for the better part of year, finally decided to fix the wiring and not I'm bashing through all the Meshuggah songs I can. This video is so incredibly helpful and well done, thanks a lot Yogev and keep doing you thing!

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

@alexandrosvavatzanidis4850 3 жыл бұрын

Now I can break my neck amplified by math equations. Much love to you Yogev!

@calebgivens2549 3 жыл бұрын

I spend a lot of time thinking about... time in heavy metal, like Meshuggah and DT. A LOT of time. I cannot begin to express how happy I am to have found your channel!

@YogevGabay 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate it brother !

@EthanMckennaMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Yesssss! So stoked to watch this

@pratyushdhadwal 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this❤️

@OrianIglesias 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing as usual! Thank you for doing these!

@benjaminellis2397 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic work as always man, thanks.

@Reads_ 3 жыл бұрын

Aahhh I’m so happy, I’ve wanted this video for months! Thank you!

@lostvirus 3 жыл бұрын

Keep up these amazing videos!

@acurseofconstantobstacle5603 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the hard work 🤘

@mickvanhesteren9403 3 жыл бұрын

This was amazing, thank you!

@ToBa5co 3 жыл бұрын

This is amazing!

@jvolz283 3 жыл бұрын

I love all the content! Keep it coming; I’ll be watching!

@TheProgSchool 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome analysis as always!!

@robertovudoyra9856 3 жыл бұрын

This video is pure gold! Thank you!

@larranagabrosstudios 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome work man!! Thank you 🙌🏼

@juliennolissep5459 3 жыл бұрын

Man, that is incredible work. Thanks !

@filthee1 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing this!

@jensriismller8923 3 жыл бұрын

So great and informative man. Keep doing what you do!

@ismannen567 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing work, thumbs up

@tedthexeopian 2 жыл бұрын

Incredible work!

@metrvg 3 жыл бұрын

Great videos!!!! Amazing

@Angatyr34 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome work Yogev!

@damienberruex7728 3 жыл бұрын

Just brilliant !

@marcusknutsson2714 3 жыл бұрын

Great job dude!!!

@drummerpablo1 3 жыл бұрын

thank you for doing this

@rodolfotrevisan6690 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you man! I'm really excited to whatch this!

@Tohkar 3 жыл бұрын

Incredible workd :O

@nousherkazmi274 3 жыл бұрын

thankyou, so much, for this

@twhndrd2008 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!

@josherney9820 3 жыл бұрын

Incredible work, subscribed

@jeffryjeffry6346 3 жыл бұрын

your videos are amazingly interesting, keep it on!

@dylanharris5486 3 жыл бұрын

Shuggah woooo!! Love your vids Yogev👌🏻

@JochemThomas 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing one of my favourite songs! Great as always :)

@gabrielalvarado5347 3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this channel omg

@alirezabayat6388 3 жыл бұрын

I love these videos

@paavokerosuo1699 Жыл бұрын

Great work sir! Thank you. 👍

@ravialfak 3 жыл бұрын

This is great dude

@whataquirkyguy 4 ай бұрын

This is soooooo good, thank you!

@mariohelbig9877 2 жыл бұрын

thank you so much

@nadaleymo 2 жыл бұрын

Great videoes!

@heycbob 3 жыл бұрын

Thats absolutely insane man, good job, keep it up 👏🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

@SylarTheBest 3 жыл бұрын

You deserve so much praise and love bro, your content and dedication is amazing 🔥

@nikiangelov3997 3 жыл бұрын

You're a real legend, man!

@JTNat 3 жыл бұрын

These videos are insanely detailed. Blows me away every time.

@JulianFernandez 3 жыл бұрын

you´re crushing it!

@alexisaasteel 3 жыл бұрын

Bravo, bravo, bravo! That is really excellent work, thank you so much.

@frankofranko8506 3 жыл бұрын

I loved the video! You obviously put a lot of hard work into every video and it shows. Big fan of the channel and have been waiting for this one for a while. You did not disappoint ❤️