That "warning" totally sold me on sticking all the way through it.

No hyperbole there.

Not an understatement.

He said his band "is a percussive unit" & I believe his short description of his band could help newcomers quickly easily *get* Meshuggah. Doesn't mean they'll like or love this band, but at least they'll *get* it.

I took a shitload of psychedelics in high school and got stuck listening to Catch 33, front to back. The next day I went out and spent almost $80 buying every Meshuggah CD I could find at best buy. It truly is one of the most tangible life transformations (not just musical) I had ever experienced. This band is by far my favorite, among allot of different stuff. Ever since I “got it,” I can look back and see a huge change in every facet of my life. It’s just very personal, it’s dark music but not brutal. “It’s the darkness of the universe.”

@@NACHOTHEIST "Dark music" which enlightened your life. Glad to join you !

It's actually Tomas. I legit didn't know this until watching an interview the other day. I guess brains are so used to the name Thomas we all just filled in the H in Tomas

Similar thing happened to me though on acid. I never liked messhugah, then while tripping on acid, one of the songs messhugah popped up and I realised that every instrument is actually a rhythm instrument...and from then onwards my journey into polymeters started

asiduflakjsiuhefuahfsdvkjhwoe8iuaoihfkzsjhiouwijtwsekfjSvzdkfgadfgaklsgfa. That's an accurate transcription on that intro.

To be fair Meshuggah kind of gave us a taste of it. The Demon's Name Is Surveillance is a 12 bar blues if you squint hard enough.

HAHAHAHA

@@yr92_ As funny as this is, there's a lot of truth in it. 😂

I'm late to the conversation, but I thought the same thing!

Really though when you thought everything has been done.

Me

I would have. :) they've just been onto something for decades now it is all quite impressive. Sometimes near unlistenable.

Tomas Haake in 2025: Plays 4 kick drums at once

@@symptomofsouls Tomas Haake in 2030: Actually kicks the kick drums.

You're welcome !!!

Yeah , it also took me a while to understand the album. This channel helped me a lot

It still is a little uninspired though. A few rhythm quirks here and there doesn't mean the album has a totally different sound than their previous album. Especially since they talked about it having different sonic albums leading up to the release (there are some nice little breaks here and there but it's not a totally different sound). It's still a good album and I still listen to it.

@@Jazzguitar00yeap def would agree.. its still an awesome album but not much of it is ‘something new’, the only thing possibly making them unique is input from the bass player which i feel are the stand out tracks here n the violent sleep album, where as Marten just straight out writes bangers

@@Jazzguitar009 months late, but I’ll say that with each album they are the same but also very different. You can feel the differences between Immutable and TVSOR. Immutable is easily their most dynamic effort since Destroy Erase Improve and there is a focus on melody. It’s also their most thrash oriented album since Chaosphere. Lots of 7 string riffs. It also seems to be mostly focused on songwriting/atmosphere vs complexity. TVSOR’s focus was on complex riffs, unexpected song structures, and a raw feel helped obviously by the presence of them tracking drums, bass, a rhythm guitar track and vocals live all at once. It has a very blue almost cold presence. Immutable feels red and very warm. I myself prefer TVSOR, but I don’t think Immutable is uninspired. It just puts its focus into other things that are a more cerebral.

Hell yeah you can

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Me too - I realised today that this was my major difficulty with the previous videos . This seems much more on point for me, personally. It's great.

30+ years of untrained metal guitar here and this is how I hear nearly all of music. I always felt like I live in a different world than "real" musicians.

Absolutely. Meshuggah is no respecter of traditional notation...it's about numbers, sure, but probably more about patterns, shapes, schemes, and (discordant) systems. And they still do that in a more..."integrated", coherent, artistic way than all the "djent" bands they so heavily influenced.

I tried to quad track this just to see how hard it is to play tight. I consider myself a very tight hard working player of 5 years and boy I thought it was gonna be hard but it was HARD HARD.

"We use 16th notes sometimes"

@@darkySp 😂🤣🤣

"We have guitar."

"We strum the things..."

"It's easier if you just see us as a calculator/distortion pedal hybrid" "We punch the numbers in and it works"

Totally hhahahah

@@YogevGabay Also, you'll have a slight head start on I because Fredrik put his chart of the opening section on Instagram a while back, but good luck with the rest ;)

What's there to discuss about that second riff? It's just 2 - 5 in 16 bars.

Thank you very much!

​@@Cyrax89721 okay genius

HAZAAAANNNNNNN

Couldn't agree more. These guys are redefining music !

Another drummer here- and I agree, the obvious 4/4 groove here is more present than most Meshuggah songs- but the rotation of accenting makes it one of the funkiest grooves I have ever heard. Simultaneously intuitive and super hard to understand.

I wanted to send a comment to @yogev but let's put it as an answer here: maybe not knowing much about what the riff is helps to feel the 4/4. It reminds me of Bleed at 1'49" («Malfunction…») and the verse of Clockworks where I loose the 4/4 if I follow the riff. Hope my new understanding thanks to this vid will not erase my 4/4 feeling!!!

@@christophegragnic8681 100% on "losing the 4/4 in Clockworks if you pay attention to the riff". When I first heard "Phantoms", the actual "riff" itself, sounds like a "ghost note pattern" -- just riffing AROUND a groove, rather than actually "being a riff" -- that's how my "ears perceived it". But I was able to bob along in 4/4 with zero problems, first time, until the ridiculous ending, lol.

Super interesting discussion! For me, for some reason, this one is harder than others. Maybe being a drummer? maybe i t just hits me differently? so I don't have that problem with clockworks or almost any other song. Which doesn't really SAY anything. It doesn't mean I'm better or worse, just different I guess ?

@@YogevGabay Yeah man, I get a kick reading/listening to people's takes on how they interpret Meshuggah's music. It's wild how many different people have different takes. For example, it took me a long-ass time to keep track of the 4/4 through the middle bit of clockworks. Shed, too, springs to mind. I know the 4/4 is there and if I really concentrate I can pick it out, but it's not how I feel the tune at all.

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Oh man that's great to hear !

Coming soon!

#being vague on purpose hahaha

@@YogevGabay am drummer and bassist; so we both know the answer lol

@@mishterpreshident hellz yeah !

Seeing them tomorrow night and I can't wait - will be my first Meshuggah gig! It's going to be incredible - I just know it!

@@samuelconnolly347 how did you get on?

You got it!

Thanks a lot Mili !!

Took a good 40 - 50 hours including EVERYTHING. Figuring it out, thinking how to present it, deleting script #1, writing script #2, filming everything and editing. This one took a LOOOOOOONG time

@@YogevGabay It was worth every second!

They have so many layers going on, I keep finding more and more things

That’s because it’s in 4/4. There’s a swing feel to parts of it because a lot of notes a played on the “and”. But it is in fact in 4/4 just like all other meshuggah songs.

@@eggheadjibar3264 this isen't really true and is super dependant on how you want to think about it. most meshuggah songs have a back beat in 4/4 played by half of Tomas Haake and sometimes one of the other instruments will be playing in 4/4 too but nearly every guitar part the band has ever written has been in a different meter this is how polyrhythm and polymeter work. lets say they have a verse that is 8 bars long they wright a riff they like in some crazy meter that fits into it 6 and a third times and then put a fat back beat in 4/4 under it to make the mosh happen and at the end of 8 bars of the back beat the stop the riff where ever it is and move to the next section. that's why the guitar riffs phase with the backbeat in like all there music, so its not that the songs are / aren't in 4/4, parts of the music are while other parts that are not are layered on top to make that meshuggah sound happen . the use of this technique in my opinion is why meshuggah have become so popular, if the song couldn't be headbanged too and was all out there rhythmic ideas with no grounding for people to feel as familiar it would have been practically impossible for them to achieve there well deserved success .

Good point!

he's a Berkley student

Thanks a ton !

Glad you think so!

My pleasure!

hahahahah amazing !

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks !!