The Mediocre Masterpiece Of IDW Sonic The Hedgehog: The 5 Year Retrospective (IDW Sonic Video Essay)
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6 ай бұрынAfter the subsequent end of Archie Comics' Sonic The Hedgehog series, the torch would be passed to a publisher with 3 letters to its name, and with almost 6 years under their belt, did they ultimately succeed in bringing Sonic back to the comic book pages yet again? Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the (as of now) complete retrospective of IDW Comics Sonic The Hedgehog!
Chapters
0:44 Introduction
2:56 Fallout (Issues 1-4)
4:33 The Fate Of Dr.Eggman (Issues 5-6)
6:30 The Battle For Angel Island Prologue (Issues 7-8)
8:16 The Battle For Angel Island (Issues 9-11)
10:22 The Battle For Angel island Epilogue (Issue 12)
12:04 2018 Overview
13:04 The Metal Virus Prologue (Issues 13-14)
14:25 The 2019 Annual
17:25 The Metal Virus Part One (Issues 15-23)
21:58 Tangle & Whisper
24:12 The Metal Virus Part One (Issue 24)
25:32 2019 Overview
26:37 The Metal Virus Part Two (Issues 25-29)
29:43 The 2020 Annual
33:27 The Metal Virus Part Two (Issues 30-32)
35:51 Chao Races & Badnick Bases (Issue 33)/Bad Guys
38:18 Chao Races & Badnick Bases (Issues 34-36)
41:08 2020 Overview
42:22 Test Run (Issues 37-40)
44:35 Zeti Hunt ft.@Lbroreal (Issues 41-42)
46:07 Sonic's 30th Anniversary Special
50:17 Zeti Hunt (Issues 43-44)
52:32 FCBD 2021
53:17 Trial By Fire (Issues 45-47)
55:01 Imposter Syndrome (Issue 1)
56:28 2021 Overview
57:32 Imposter Syndrome (Issues 2-4)
59:33 Battle For The Empire Prologue (Issues 48-49)
1:00:40 Sonic The Hedgehog 2 Movie Prequil
1:03:32 FCBD 2022
1:04:25 Battle For The Empire/Overpowered (Issues 50-53)
1:09:36 The 2022 Annual
1:13:07 Scrapnick Island
1:15:54 Tails' 30th Anniversary Special
1:17:25 Overpowered (Issues 54-56)
1:20:01 2022 Overview
1:20:43 The Current State Of The Comic
1:26:07 Conclusion
Music Used
One Sweet Brutal Evening - GenesisKeys
SGSG - GenesisKeys
Know The Place (Alt. Mix) - GenesisKeys
Something Wonderful - Contra Hard Corps.
Spin On The Bridge - Streets Of Rage 2
Boss Theme - TMNT: Turtles In Time
Theme Of Cyclops - X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse
Open World Theme 3 - Ultimate Spider-Man
Metal Cavern - Super Smash Bros.
X-Ages - Alien Soldier
Ichor - GenesisKeys
Thematikos - GenesisKeys
Boss Theme - Streets Of Rage 3
Beats In My Head (Elena’s Theme) - Street Fighter 3: Third Strike
Toxic Dump/Genetics Lab (Part 3) - The Ooze
Already Rich - Yeat
Waste Plant (Part 3) - The Ooze
Defeat Pinky Roader-Gunstar Heroes
Tomboy (Elena’s Theme)-Street Fighter 3: 2nd Impact
Track 19 (Final Boss) - Comix Zone
Drumsone (alt. mix) - GenesisKeys
Act Cadenza Promo Remix - GenesisKeys
Pursuit Theme 3 - Need For Speed: Most Wanted
Jazz Castle - Jazz Jackrabbit 2
Pursuit Theme 2 - Need For Speed: Most Wanted
Moon - Streets Of Rage 3
Crystal Snail - Mega Man X2
Violent Breathing - Streets Of Rage
Buster - GenesisKeys
Images(Athena) - GenesisKeys
Theme Of Shuma-Gorath - Marvel VS. Capcom 3: Fate Of Two Worlds
Team Galactic Battle (SSBB Remix) - Pokémon Diamond/Pearl
Runner/AD2025 - Alien Soldier
Inventory - Decap Attack
Theme of Smash Daisaku - Gunstar Heroes
Dudley’s Theme - Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike
Flame Stag - Mega Man X2
The Real Menace - GenesisKeys
the edge is not real - GenesisKeys
Boss Battle 1 - Streets Of Rage
Yoru no Nikusyokujyu - Contra Hard Corps
They're Back - Streets Of Rage 4
Wave 131 - Streets Of Rage 2
Twilight Express - Battle Mania Daiginjou
Cammy's Theme - Super Street Fighter 2
Laughing To The Bank - Chief Keef
Don't Like - Chief Keef
Guile's Theme - Super Street Fighter 2
Alien Power - Streets Of Rage 2
Mach Rider - Super Smash Bros. Melee
Evil Ryu's Theme - Street Fighter Alpha 3
manyroses - GenesisKeys
Sugar Groove 2 - GenesisKeys
To Be Soaring - GenesisKeys
Brink Of Control - MarkeyJester
Theme Of Manus - GenesisKeys
deep+burial - GenesisKeys
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@harryenchiladas8826 6 ай бұрын
19:51 This is no longer Ian's fault, in a podcast he said that originally he had the idea that Shadow, to try to save as many people as possible, would sacrifice himself, removing his inhibitory rings and fighting until the last of his energy. Sega instead asked for "corrections", due to the image of Shadow they were trying to push (in short, a moron very close to what he was in boom)
@harryenchiladas8826 6 ай бұрын
1:06:09 Sonic's last statement does not eliminate the concept of freedom, it only states that Sonic brings consequences to freedom. It is like saying that in reality you do not have the option of smoking or not, because by getting lung cancer you lose your freedom, being incorrect, since you knew that by smoking this could happen.
@hype5456 6 ай бұрын
I don't think every flaw with idw can be blamed on SEGA, they told Ian that shadow can't use his inhibitors, but that doesn't mean he couldn't figure out a better way to handle Shadow,. I feel as though this could've worked better like instead of shadow being affected with a metal coating like everyone else. He's not affected rather healthy but the virus is in his mind trying to manipulate him by adapting. You could also have a reveal of the revaliation of Shadow being affected mentally and the heroes having to fight a Shadow with all of his abilities that's not a mindless zombie.
@ezbeezee815 5 ай бұрын
I was confirmed Ian Flynn lied about that and the only thing sega said about shadow is no taking off inhibitor rings the personality is Ian Flynn fault which he wrote a good shadow before. So what happened what made him wright shadow so horribly he said the direction for shadow is what made him write him like that, but he was only written like that in sonic boom which was canceled and non-canon along with shadow is written and forces pretty good the only thing canon from boom is sticks nothing else
@based980 4 ай бұрын
@@ezbeezee815 not to sound a redditor but source?
@ezbeezee815 4 ай бұрын
@@based980 multiple Q&A and interviews that you will have to read. There’s a video on it just search up Ian Flynn lied.
@oliverlam6072 6 ай бұрын
IDW feels like it is being held back a lot by limitations from after archie's run. Also, only a few minutes in and I can tell this is extremely high quality.
@dudalina9223 5 ай бұрын
33:48 I get the recurring complaint about heroes giving villains second chances, but these are Rough and Tumble, who are basically regular criminals, not Eggman or Metal Sonic. Tails and Tangle are aware they don't pose that big of a threat
@GlastanMeadowhill 6 ай бұрын
A monthly comic is _not_ the place for decompressed storytelling. I don't wanna wait five more years to resolve one-and-a-half more major storylines. It's funny, for a series that is all about how cool it is to be the fastest thing alive, the pacing is just grindingly slow.
@ORLY911 5 ай бұрын
Even worse is the half year long break were getting after 68, prolly won't be until April at the earliest. Which is turning out to be a bad arc, may e even the worst in IDW. glacially paced and characters written with -100 iq points to make the whole sneaky work for Mimic. It's infuriating.
@anointilisque7768 12 күн бұрын
It gives more time for the writers to think and breath for what they will do next, something that a weekly release is a lot harder to be done
@CanaldoZenny 6 ай бұрын
My opinion on the IDW Sonic comic books is the most conservative. I've been a Sonic fan for 20+ years and I always interpreted Sonic games as episodes of a TV show, with more or less self contained stories. Each games is "in this episode of Sonic the Hedgehog", and some bigger games are the "movies" of Sonic. Unleashed is very much written and presented like a theatrical movie. 06 and Frontiers are movies. My reasoning being that Sonic is not designed to have a single continuous storyline. The games can have a general universe and rules to follow, and events may happen in a linear fashion, with some callbacks here and there. But Sonic works best when consumed in short busts. I think is the one of the reasons why in Sonic X (overseen by Yuji Naka and Sonic Team) many episodes of S1 and 2 were slice of life adventures, and Sonic was often absent or had little to say. I think the writters of IDW Sonic know this to some extent, because the story is divided in story arcs, ans after every story arc wraps the story sort of reset to the status quo. But it still is weird seeing Sonic speaking huge sentences, because in the games Sonic is a simple straightforward character, he speaks short sentences that are easy to understand or let his actions speak for himself. Archie Sonic get around this because Archie Sonic is not Sonic, the characters are not written like their game/japanese counterparts. I like the miniseries from IDW, and I believe this is a good format for a Sonic comic series: 2 or 3 issues series with self contained story.
@MisterLN 6 ай бұрын
bro i dont get it you guys wanted sonic to KILL mr tinker and surge?? like outright get rid of them? is that really what "game sonic" would have done?? i dont get it??
@MisterLN 6 ай бұрын
AGAIN i dont understand when you get pissed off by the shadow writing and putting it on the writers when we ALL KNOW sega has been fucking annoying and ordered some weird ass personalities for the main cast?? like did we forget that??
@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Ай бұрын
Prison is also an option. I don't think kill is the right choice. amnesia doesn't actually change your personality. you still act the same you just can't remember things. Idk if having eggman have amnesia was the best choice because it just lead to situations like this. Maybe starting the story after forces wasn't the best idea either or connecting it with the games because it leads to limitations on the story
@lala-jd6em 6 ай бұрын
I love idw but it has its problems. I blame sega the most tho
@GlastanMeadowhill 6 ай бұрын
I blame Flynn the most. He's very adamant on making characters true to the games but he doesn't understand the characters. Remember his character dossiers?
@vm141789 6 ай бұрын
I blame Ken Penders the most since he's the reason Sega put mandates in the first place.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
I can't stand IDW, and it's both SEGA's and Flynn's fault.
@markgill346 6 ай бұрын
This is only my opinion, but this what I think. I never not liked the Metal Virus Arc, and it is one of my favorite stories, just because of it's dark tone and Sonic's existential crisis and conclusion. Scrapnik Island is probably my favorite miniseries in the franchise and I have enjoyed the supporting cast and world building, for my least favorite arc, I would say Test Run. I also don't view it as an adaption because it is now apart of the main story.
@camerondalton1495 6 ай бұрын
I find it funny how in Metal Virus many people blame Sonic for letting Eggman go when he lost his memory but never attempt to kill him once it's said and done. Thus making their points moot. Heck, it doesn't even need to be Sonic to do it. I think it is a similar problem with Joker in DC where they have him commit various heinous actions, but still have Batman or any other character do anything about it. Many because the character is too popular.
@storm_shadow-2107 Ай бұрын
Yo pal an amnesiac Eggman is far from harmless. He still has to capacity to commit horrible things if a) he were ever pushed into doing so emotionally or b) Mr. Tinker ever recovered all his memories of being Dr. Eggman without help from Starline or Metal Sonic. Sonic should have know how dangerous it was to leave Mr. Tinker alone. Sonic didn't even need to imprison Tinker, but should have at the very least kept eyes on him. Having one of Sonics friends or even somebody from the resistance keeping surveillance on Tinker is the bare minimum comtingency Sonic should have decided on. After all, if Shadow could get his memories back then what's stopping Tinker from turning back into Eggman? Sonic has lost of experience dealing with Shadow's memory loss and how he was affected by it. Sonic should have known better than to be so nonchalant and careless. And yet, Sonic didn't ever bother taking and longterm precautions making any plans to contend with Eggman should he return.
@valmid5069 6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for more updates and content!
@Theultimatelifeform2001 3 ай бұрын
Personally. I like IDW better than Archie BECAUSE IDW has more interesting characters like Surge and Starline. Mimic has potential to be a good villain and I just like how Metal Sonic is portrayed in IDW. He’s always loyal to Eggman and is there to protect Eggman. Don’t get me wrong, I love Archie Shadow way more than IDW Shadow and the Freedom Fighters were great too but I just like IDW more.
@holasoyd0ra136 6 ай бұрын
41:08 SONG NAME PLS Edit: turns out reading the description is a useful thing you should do... (Buster - GenesisKeys)
@triplejo1022 6 ай бұрын
Don't know why people dislike the song's references, it's so corny and cool
@hype5456 6 ай бұрын
So are fine but when it's consistently done it stops being cool for some, eggman singing his theme is fine with me, but Sonic telling Metal I never fear the fall is head scratching
@triplejo1022 6 ай бұрын
@@hype5456 you guys just hate fun lol, it's not all the time you can count on one hand the times they did that
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
@@triplejo1022That's the point, it's corny and cringe.
@tonym.s7988 Ай бұрын
For me the enjoyment of future comics will most likely rely on how much the comics are willing to play with the status quo, my favorite iteration of Sonic being Fleetway's for this reason, to the point it almost comes as a deconstruction. The plot point of badniks turning good gives some good potential for example. Imagine things like badniks being used to remodel the world into a post-scarcity society, ehich would also be kind of a middle finger to Eggman and having him trying to find more inventive ways of causing trouble than just good old supervillainy and you could even take into consideration the Deadly Six being far more dangerous than ever if they keep up with the integration of Badniks into society. And that's just fron a couple of panels of the last arc! Alas that totally depends on how much the mandates are being held up, as well as the writers decision regarding a mass shake up/evolution of the franchise, which admittedly Ian has expressed some interest in, even if the storyline state of the comic is somewhat 'superhero-lite'.
@lightingdragon4143 Ай бұрын
The major problem with IDW Sonic other than the characterization of the characters is the lack of World building.
@zewatcher9756 6 ай бұрын
not gonna lie, the comic dub version of the IDW sonic was great. You can feel the emotion and set up. Shame that reading it is not the same.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
Don't care, didn't ask. Some voices are just plain annoying, and it doesn't change the fact of how garbage the whole thing is.
@Glitchboi82 2 ай бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Shut up and let people have opinions. Just because you didn't ask about something doesn't mean this person can't comment something.
@shadamyandsonamylover 6 ай бұрын
Damn. I’ve never seen such a negative review of idw. Sorry you don’t like it.
@Improvement05 6 ай бұрын
This one zesty ahh review
@nathanbryan8758 6 ай бұрын
Good vid my guy
@darthrevan6316 8 күн бұрын
The only reason I actually liked the Metal Virus Saga is because I stopped reading it. I watched a dub of the comics that changed tiny bits of the dialogue to make it flow better, the voice actors sold the emotion of each line perfectly and had music that fit the scenes.
@drakewiz Ай бұрын
I came here for a review but, it feels like this is too bias to be a constructive criticism. The encounter between Starline and Sonic + Silver was a great way to showcase the character's personalities. Eggman got mad because killing him with a bomb like that is something he can do any day but he wants to beat Sonic his way. His motivations are good and clear, yet you minimize it all, ignored Silver's feat, ignored Dr. Eggman's reply to Starline, ignore Starline's motivations for winning and tactics... The philosophy of Sonic is also clear, freedom is given to all, but he will stop them if they choose to take away the freedom of others. He obviously wanted to save Surge, and gets mat because Surge preferred to die rather than being helped by Sonic. But you made up your mind about that characterization far before talking about issue 50. Sonic's view is flawed as hell, anyone can see that, but tackling by taking the worst interpretation and stripping its context is not the right way to tackle it. There are restrictions to IDW, sure, and it is far from a perfect comic or 'Masterpiece', but this doesn't feel like an impartial review at all.
@MafaroChinyerere 18 күн бұрын
I like how u used metal head ost
@triplejo1022 6 ай бұрын
Also guys dont forget that most bad characterization of the characters are Sega's fault, they literally have a list of things that are obligatory to follow when dealing with certain characters
@hype5456 6 ай бұрын
Mandates are not the end all be all for them, acting like it's true is ignoring any criticism you can give to Ian
@triplejo1022 6 ай бұрын
@@hype5456 i didn't ignore it, it's just blatantly stupid to blame him when he literally can't make it better because Sega won't let him We all read the Archie Comics we know how well he can handle the characters if he's abled to do so
@Skeleton20133 3 ай бұрын
@@triplejo1022Stop using Sega as a scapegoat.
@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 2 ай бұрын
Ian Phlem
@oscarkambouris2212 6 ай бұрын
you dod relize Ian really ccouldn't do anything with Shadow, without Sega having another tamtrum
@1999bazz 6 ай бұрын
More like Ian couldn't meet Sega's standards & acted like they were the problem
@bowtiefries 6 ай бұрын
I don't think this was sega's fault...
@moosesues8887 3 ай бұрын
Maybe cus is just and this is crazy.… a sorry ass writer
@odd-eyesvon 6 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! I’ve BEEN saying that IDW Sonic is miserably OoC because he will say anything and everything that’ll make him sound morally correct, even if it contradicts something he previously said. He’s a motor mouth with none of the flair that made earlier iterations tick. There’s just no way that this is the same Sonic from Black Knight.
@FastFuriousFan-il8lr 3 ай бұрын
They're a lot enjoyable to read than the Archie Sonic reboot (which has 0 satisfaction IMO).
@Supers_channel 3 ай бұрын
Ok but what does this have to do with Archie? I’ve never read an Archie comic in my life so I’m not trying to defend it
@FastFuriousFan-il8lr 3 ай бұрын
@@Supers_channel This is a video on IDW Sonic since you said "Ok but what does this have to do with Archie?".
@Supers_channel 3 ай бұрын
@@FastFuriousFan-il8lr yes but idw and Archie have nothing in common other than them being about the same character 😭🙏
@FastFuriousFan-il8lr 3 ай бұрын
@@Supers_channel Well I know that and IDW Sonic is the true Sonic comic reboot since it's actually game canon (especially since the Freedom Fighters will never appear there, which is a good thing) while the Archie Sonic reboot isn't (Sega of America should've just let Archie cancel the comics since Issue 247).
@Supers_channel 3 ай бұрын
@@FastFuriousFan-il8lr ok 1. Idw isn’t canon at all 2. The freedom fighters are not even bad 3. Even though the freedom fighters aren’t canon at least they focus on their characters and make them somewhat interesting (which idw fails to do)
@SoranotRoxas 6 ай бұрын
*Mediocre?*
@coreymartin3218 6 ай бұрын
It is if you want something that adds depth and serious matters or REALISTIC character development/relationship over a period of time. It's just safe writing with no risks, no threatening enemies, etc.......everything is just fluff.
@Probably_JENOVA 6 ай бұрын
Mediocre Clarinet Player
@colmeiadaangela1026 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, mediocre is being generous, it's just bad
@JCAnimates22007 6 ай бұрын
Yeah man i'm confused as well.
@wisccheese9257 6 ай бұрын
I would say average@@colmeiadaangela1026
@Axxidous 6 ай бұрын
I pronounce it just like you. Hydro, which is a word and one that means water and sounds really cool, and city, a bit ancient ruins of a city filled and surrounded with water. As opposed to "Hydrawssity" which people say is supposed to sound like Velocity as if kids know that word.
@Hypersonic-hg8kd 6 ай бұрын
I don’t think sonic character was bad I just see him as someone who tries to see the bright side and gives bad/misunderstood guys a chance regardless of what happen. Sure his mindset is idealistic but it what makes him great and his idea of freedom isn’t flawed he gives everyone the freedom to do what they want as long it doesn’t hurt anyone or cause trouble along the way. In my opinion he acts like a hero/parental figure where he lets those do whatever they want but not cause any problems or harm
@Terminal_Apotos 6 ай бұрын
The only IDW Sonic content I’ve consumed is the Metal Virus Arc, I thought it was very good but now I realize it’s mostly because of the interesting Zombie Plot. I really don’t like how the characters themselves are written which sucks because now Ian Flynn is writing the Sonic Games and Frontiers has only furthered my disdain for his version of Sonic & Friends.
@mray4784 6 ай бұрын
Disagree.
@Terminal_Apotos 6 ай бұрын
@@mray4784 Ok?
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
@@Terminal_ApotosExcept the Zombot Arc fails even at that (not to mention how overused TO DEATH zombie apocalypse stories are). There are no real stakes because no one ever truly dies, Sonic is an idiot and a hypocrite, a lot of characters fail due to plot induced stupidity, Eggman gives up halfway through for no reason, leading Perry the Snively to call in the Undeadly Koopalings which leads to a retread of Lost World's HORRIBLE plot. Sonic has amnesia, because it's not like we haven't had amnesia subplots yet in this franchise. And do I need to bring up how laughably anticlimatic the resolution is ?
@Terminal_Apotos 5 ай бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 True I guess.
@corvussio1454 6 ай бұрын
A good overview and critique of the comic so far. Ultimately I still enjoy it, but less now because of the writing, and more just because Sonic is like my comfort food. So this review did a good job of sobering me up to the realization that the story isn’t quite as great as I thought it was while simultaneously helping me solidify the problems that I already had with the series but just couldn’t put into words.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
That's not a healthy mindset. That's straight up codependency to mediocrity.
@ORLY911 5 ай бұрын
Tbh I hope the break gives them serious consideration to how they write going forward, I'm sure theyve seen the flak the last few issues got. If the rest of the arc when it resumes doesn't improve, I may drop the comic. I'm not interested in a comic that doesn't respect it's characters. Opting for a really crappy sabotage plot that makes everyone look like idiots.
@RealBroccoliHour 5 ай бұрын
Flynn himself is not huge on the whole constructive criticism thing, and it seems like every other writer on the book just tries to emulate his style too. Not hating, but I wouldn’t exactly hold my breath either.
@ORLY911 5 ай бұрын
@@RealBroccoliHour I actually give Flynn a pass at the moment because he didnt write the comic arc before it went on hiatus(63-67), it was Evan Stanley, it is actually super apparent, as Flynn at least does a good job keeping his characterizations consistent, she (Evan) doesnt seem to really get the Diamond Cutters and wrote them rather poorly. She seems to be getting bigger cuts of the stories, so hopefully it was just a rough time adjusting to longer stories, before she usually co wrote with Flynn or finished arcs he started.
@AM-vf6id 3 ай бұрын
why are we blaming the writters when we know Sega is the issue?!
@LowQualitySpamtonDeltarune 2 ай бұрын
because the writers in the past have already been sometimes shit
@daryltor7608 2 ай бұрын
@@LowQualitySpamtonDeltaruneYea, but still going the blame SEGA
@BladeTheHedeghog 6 ай бұрын
Another good piece of sonic media getting hate for no reason. Its stuff like this that makes new people hate sonic.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
Another Sonic whiner with no standards.
@BladeTheHedeghog 5 ай бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 The IDW comics aren’t even bad. You guys need to shut up and just appreciate what we have. They don’t have to make this stuff for us.
@ORLY911 5 ай бұрын
@BladetheHedgehog And we don't have to buy it. I like the idw comics generally but they have problems especially the past few issues, the half year break is making it worse. You need to admit the flaws and be vocal about it or it won't improve.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
@@BladeTheHedeghog The IDW comics are vastly mediocre. You need to sit down and shut up, because this "just appreciate what we have" is indicative of someone with no standards, someone who can't handle criticism.
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
@@ORLY911 Honestly, they've never been good to begin with. Shallow beginning, shallow characters, the Metal Virus arc was laughably edgy and so was Imposter Syndrome.
@blesseddins1409 6 ай бұрын
Sonic's issue 50 philosophy wasn't a contradictory. He said everyone has freedom to do anything, that means mistakes and corrections, right & wrong, so you can reek havoc as a choice to be free but others have the right to do to stop you.
@joeker5208 6 ай бұрын
This book has always been “there” for me. I’m completely caught up, and there’s been nothing that’s happened in it’s 5-year run. I especially don’t like Sonic in this. Having Sonic be someone who gives thought to any of his actions be it they bring about serious consequences or him doubt himself and think about morality is completely out of character. Remember that is supposed to be the same Sonic as the games. A character who has never cared about reformation or even justice. There’s tons of other issues I have, like the restrictions keeping the creativity so low that nothing can happen, making this book feel like a waste of time
@teriostheultimatefaker9148 6 ай бұрын
In Modern Sonic games (From Colors to Forces) Sonic was "moralistic" in every cutscene whenever we see him with the villain like Eggman in Forces and Colors or Zeti in Lost World. It's normally to feel when you understand what happened with Sonic's character behavior because it has problems before comics but we forgetting it sometimes, I guess.
@joeker5208 6 ай бұрын
@@teriostheultimatefaker9148 I get that. But, the 2010s made a point to soft-reboot the series, with only having very superficial references to previous stories. That’s why now with Frontiers, the series has tried to re-establish the old status quo of the 90s and 2000s. However, this is really odd with IDW as many overt narratives from previous adventures are being referenced to firmly establish that those old stories happened and are relevant to our characters development. So with characters like Sonic and Shadow, they feel completely off, as there depictions in the books don’t like up with the current 2010s or the pre-2010s characterizations
@teriostheultimatefaker9148 6 ай бұрын
@@joeker5208 I don't like that characterization of Sonic too but in the comics authors trying to give him grow up after Forces because the events Metal virus gave him the conclusion about when he was too kind to a not good person... But they made it twice with the Surge and Kit story when he made that mistake again, but didn't delay it with this. Shadow characterization is.... Very strange and chaotic in behavior (Mostly after the Metal Virus arc)
@joeker5208 6 ай бұрын
@@teriostheultimatefaker9148 yeah but I’m of the opinion that Sonic should never have character development. He’s a completely flat character, and giving him growth goes against his entire concept of an unwavering light of purity. And like I said, this characterization of Sonic just does not fit with the games, pre or post-2010s. And even in the book itself there’s contradictions within Sonic’s ideals. Ultimately, I just think this is a very confusing and bland portrayal of the character Shadow is just very weird, as he has not been defined as a character which makes him very bland to see, but also confusing as we have no idea what he even wants
@coreymartin3218 6 ай бұрын
Your first sentence is how I feel. It's all fluff. There's nothing of importance or threatening to the reader. There were many moments where it did feel that way in the Archie comics AND had permanent consequences. Robitnik "dying", Bunnie getting roboticized, Sonic finding his parents, Tails being at odds with Sonic at times, the idea of bringing a that elderly man(Nate Morgan) to the fold for the animals despite the human vs animal war. There was REAL issues at hand, even personal and relatable issues. There was also character development that happened over a long period of time.....which does not happen in this comic. It either happens within a few issues or not at all. It's certainly never shown in the "middle", but only the beginning and the end of a relationship.
@leonardoalvarenga7572 6 ай бұрын
Based.
@fabioariadela3339 6 ай бұрын
Siendo sincero el arco de metal virus nunca fue buena digo ya se que intenta ser interesante pero al ver este comic por segunda vez me aburri digo la trama intenta escribió algo facinante pero los personajes son tontos digo tomare de ejemplo seria un numero donde hay una persona infectada pero nadie se dio cuenta hasta los protas de la persona infectado por el virus creo que son estúpidos los personajes no digo de insulto pero eso no pasa en películas o series pero siento que este arco es algo sobrevalorado
@loudhedgehog1116 6 ай бұрын
23:48 I think tangle means that he will have to live with the fact that he could've lived for the rest of their life.
@rayanekarouch6088 6 ай бұрын
based
@evdestroy4121 6 ай бұрын
Archie was better.
@camerondalton1495 6 ай бұрын
Archie Sonic wasn't perfect though.
@evdestroy4121 6 ай бұрын
@@camerondalton1495Archie's lows were very low, but it's highs were peak fiction.
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
Facts, even the lows were great and the highs were peak
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
@@evdestroy4121nah the lows were good at best
@camerondalton1495 6 ай бұрын
@@sonicwithglasses131 You didn't think the comic went on too many tangents, introduced characters that weren't Sonic, or had really bad storylines?
@oluyomilael Ай бұрын
i swear sonic fan can be pissed off by anything now
@ninebreaker2009 Ай бұрын
how dare people criticize things I like! Your're not allowed to be mad at thing!
@oluyomilael Ай бұрын
@@ninebreaker2009 that not what I'm saying I'm saying that Sonic fans always say someting is mid or strait up bad because of small nitpics
@LowQualitySpamtonDeltarune Ай бұрын
@@oluyomilaelThe Titel of the video literally says its Mediocre
@oluyomilael Ай бұрын
@@LowQualitySpamtonDeltarune Yeah I know and I do respect his opinion I was speaking for sonic fans general
@sharedaccountmoment8770 Ай бұрын
@@oluyomilael you should take some spelling classes before you insult anyone buddy
@germancarnage5543 6 ай бұрын
Great Video i see your point why you think IDW sonic is mediocre. But still.. IDW>Archie
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
Nah
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
Another Sonic fan with no standards. They are both equally terrible.
@sonicwithglasses131 5 ай бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 if you think about it, thats every sonic fan when talking about story for sonic, most if not all sonic stories from the games are mid asf
@germancarnage5543 5 ай бұрын
@@yrooxrksvi7142 i am not expacting a vagabond or berserk level of Story for a sonic comic (or game).... As long as its good and fun I like it I think the IDW and archie comics are good but personally I enjoyed IDW more None of them are terrible and I cant Imagine how you want to defend your point
@yrooxrksvi7142 5 ай бұрын
@@sonicwithglasses131 Nah, the Adventure games and the Storybook games' stories still hold up. Hell, even the first two Riders games aren't half bad.
@oranjaglad8648 6 ай бұрын
I still think IDW is better than the mess that was Archie (especially pre-reboot Archie).
@camerondalton1495 6 ай бұрын
I agree. Though it's clear that the comic is doomed to never be greater than it is.
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
I disagree, archie somic was peak sonic comics
@oranjaglad8648 6 ай бұрын
@@sonicwithglasses131 To me, I can see why, at least with post-reboot Archie. They were decent enough, even though they ended abruptly, and were good adaptations of both the games and what the comic had beforehand. But pre-reboot Archie was a hit or miss mess. I guess you could mostly blame Ken Penders for why, but a lot of it felt melodramatic as hell (say what you will about IDW's Metal Virus arc, but at least that had a reason to be as dark as it was), especially with the annoying love plots, and a lot of shit that would fit in a more mature story felt shoehorned in (the whole Sally and Geoffery thing, that one interaction between Bunnie and Dark Sonic, Charmy's friend overdosing on LSD... somehow, etc.). Not to mention I guess I don't have the most positive opinion of pre-reboot Archie because of the shipping wars that started around its publication (again, not helping with the relationship drama between most of the characters), but that's just me personally.
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
@@oranjaglad8648 almost everyone in the metal virus saga was an idiot to move the story, ken penders had the best stories in pre reboot, sonic vs metal sonic vs shadow 3 parters and sonic endgame was PEAKKK
@sonicwithglasses131 6 ай бұрын
@@oranjaglad8648 I found them interesting and different to the game version of sonic, it did stuff that they werent afraid of doing, some of the characters in archie straight up dog walks their game counterparts including sonic himself
@therandomvideochannel8589 6 ай бұрын
based
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