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Legend of the Galactic Heroes

Because it's the words that matter, not the clothes.

Honestly just give the Athenians Imperial uniforms and the Melosians something else, like former CIS uniforms or some shit and it will still work

GrecoSwede I believe that’s from the Mytilenaean debate

Ithad been said, justparaphrased or translated differently- 4:36 it is necessary law of nature to rule whereever one can

it's just the backbone of the dialogue...

Not to mention Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, Stephen Moore played Marvin.

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality-judiciously, as you will-we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Since the Melian dialogue is a comment on the ethical blindness that attends Imperial power and the oftentimes naked nature of actions which perpetuate this Imperial, military and economic domination, Vietnam could be a good example, but so too could the gulf war, the second Iraqi invasion, United States backed revolutions and upheavals in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Lebanon, etc etc.

Pericles and Lincoln´s speeches are so similar in essence, that one has to wonder whether old Abe didn´t borrow some ideas....

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James Guinivan Yep! I recognized him at 2:18 when he did that thing where he's kind of looking off to the side while he addresses somebody and then turns his face directly toward them when he concludes.

YES! Isn't he GREAT!?

They're all in Foyle's War at some point: Sam's father and a corrupt magistrate.

And the dialouge is even in the movie. Fascanating.

Me too.

Feda me three. My grandfather used to say "Sometimes one has to be an island to do what is right, but prepare for the hurricane"

How so?

The original differs from language because it is from old greece, and there has been both rough translations aswell as simplified versions for school children to use. It could also be changed because of dramatic effects since this is from a old movie. That is atleast what I think.

are you serious??? spartans made sure they knew how to do everything. They had extremely strong swimmers!!

The Spartans wuz actually black

WE WUZ KINGS N' SHIET!

The spartans defeated the athenian navy at sea bringing an end to the peloponiasian war

They can, but they are afraid of bathing

I agree but it is human nature to be afraid and to be selfish. the people who commit treason are most likely because they can see the reality of where their side stands. like in the case of Melos the people who committed treason could see that in the scenario of strong and weak they are the weak which will result in them dying or losing all they have worked for. so the treason is quite understandable because humans are more driven by gains unlike moral conduct. it is of my opinion that even if people were more aware of the benefits of sticking to morals they would have still chosen power over morality because POWER IS POWER and it is intoxicating.

"my modern female mind cannot tolerate the lack of solutions or works towards fairness or justice" - oh the salt of the earth...

The Athenians would answer as follows: "Justice and fairness can only be found among equals (in strength/power). There isn't and never can be justice and fairness among unequals". "The strong move forwards as far as their strength permits them and the weak retreat backwards as far as their weakness forces them".

And that's the point How anarchism be achieved if you simply roll over to whoever comes to you And what happens if they are against anarchism

@@ypsawbones3646 It's the rejection of the idea of an abstract such as "State" or "God" having legitimate authority. An Athenian government can't police everyone all the time. They can say "You are now under Athenian rule", but is that true? Is it legitmate? Do the Melians see it that way or do they see it as a hostile group has got the upper hand on them in that moment? There are plenty of insurgencies. Afghanistan "rolled over" to let the U.S. invade, but these institutions always overextend themselves and the insurgencies take advantage. People tend to look at Anarchism through a statist lens.

@@socialismo52 The first and most obvious problem with that line of thought is a practical one Even if you are philosophically right It won't amount too much since the guy with the shinny badge can kill you for it Second all authority derives from violence or the ability to cause harm directly or indirectly to say they have no right is wrong the fact that they can force you is right enough you may go socratic on my ass and say might doesn't equal right but in this case the argument isn't that but were their right for authority comes for As for the insurgencies it's more complicated than they rolled over and then pop up again First of all America was very loose (and stupid)when it came on handling the situation (if you had nazi Germany invading Afghanistan I doubt if any effective resistance could occur even if you don't want be genocidal America neglected the topical politics) secondly the insurgents were well trained and well received in their societies thirdly they were very well organized (an anarchist revolution would lack that) fourth the terrain and environment allows for such insurgencies to take place Fifth their ideology(religious fundamentalism) allows for fanatical resistance to outside parties and more importantly cultural influences plus it acts as a very strong unifier. Afghanistan isn't your typical environment for revolution and it wasn't a political revolution but more of an ethnic- religious one

@@ypsawbones3646 what's funny is that I'm in agreement with most of what you are saying and it's because it's an Anarchist's argument. Absolutely. The state is the monopolization of violence. In standard situational conflict the winner is the one that can escalate force the fastest and longest, but not all paths need to be direct to be won. Warfare is the game of the oppressor. What if instead of killing an authority figure you manipulate them, or gain their sympathy, or operate covertly? 100% correct about U.S. long term strategy. They can absolutely project force and take land, but lack the will to hold it. That's something that was exploited. The terrain absolutely was a factor, but you only take what you can defend. Today we have an empire that's on the verge of collapse and an Afghani populace that is doing what it did before occupation. Also, Germans still had problems with insurgency and in the end lost. Asymmetrical warfare is always an option. If there is a guy in the swamps of Louisiana who believes the Federal government is illegitimate and all day he is making full-autos and growing weed is he really conquered? Same with "extremists" that get to spend all day spreading ideology. The state may say "Sure! We won. They're outliers and we'll get them eventually. Look at what we have", but I would say that's evidence that the State is not omnipresent and has weaknesses. The only cop a person needs to kill is the one in their mind. It's a tricky thing. You can easily look around and say that the Nation-state is stronger than ever before. The weapons are the most sophisticated, censorship is at an all time high, spying is unlimited, but I see more people than ever distrusting news, skeptical of centralized power, and seeking alternatives to "the grid".

@@socialismo52 "someone has as much authority over you as you allow it" That statement is true but that is exactly the reason why authority exist on the first place people are interdependent on each other both physically and emotionally As for converting leaders to your cause It either wills leads to a new ideology with the old leader or a new ideology with new leaders A state is not omnipotent I'm well aware of that and I use it on my advantage in my personal life as well but say it has no influence over you is a fallacy Yes people can revolt and it can be successful (history has shown that But be carefull not all revolutions end in victory for the revolutionary ) I'm not American but seeing the state your country is saddens me (its like watching the fall of Rome 2 electronic buggalo) By the way about the off the grid point is obvious why people don't choose it.(not really a comfortable existence is it)

Try applying the minimal common sense you use navigating traffic on the way to work.

Lol. Do your own fucking homework.

socialismo52 I did it thanks 🙏 ,, I have graduated 1 year ago

@@sumayaalhinai4704 what were the answers my guy im interested

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