The Merge

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Brisbane Lions

Brisbane Lions

4 жыл бұрын

July 4 1996, a special day in our clubs history, when the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy Football Club's officially merged. Airing 5pm this Saturday on Fox Footy, 'The Merge' details the lead-up to that day, featuring key figures such as Kevin Murray, Jonathan Brown, Alastair Lynch, Ross Oakley and Alan McConnell.
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@sayerma
@sayerma 3 жыл бұрын
For anyone looking for a bit of nostalgia. Head to Brunswick street oval during the footy season to watch Fitzroy play in the amateur association. They wear the old jumper, play the old song, buy a knitted scarf from the lovely old ladies, all the supports belt out CARN THE ROYS and you can have tea and cakes for $5 in the function room at half time. Pub across the road and right next to the city - what’s not to like! By far the biggest supporter base in the VAFA and it’s a fun arvo each time. I see it that I can have a bit of both - supported the Roys growing up and now Brisbane, but can enjoy the grass roots in red gold and blue too.
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760 3 жыл бұрын
sayerma Mate you cant go their right now under Communist leader Dan Anping
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 2 жыл бұрын
@@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760 all of that is just no
@theresagwhite3175
@theresagwhite3175 2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully I can go there next year if there are no more lockdowns. I would rather watch a game like this than shell out $$$$$ to watch Goldcoast
@546walter
@546walter 2 жыл бұрын
maroon blue and gold , not red xx
@Daniel_the99
@Daniel_the99 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent documentary
@nazverma8522
@nazverma8522 4 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting I’ve heard a bit about the Fitzroy legacy but not much about the Bears as well till now
@TupacNation
@TupacNation 4 жыл бұрын
Still brings tears to my eyes, I'm a proud 🦁 supporter through and through, I was a 16 year old when we merged and was at our last game in Victoria against Richmond at the MCG which should have been the actual last. I'm still a proud Brisbane Lions supporter to this day, we had a great run at the start of the 2000's and I'll never forget the joy and happiness I felt at the final siren in 01 when we beat the Bombers for our first premiership since 44 it was euphoric. Up the Lions for the 2020 season if it ever gets going lol.
@brettfehlberg9842
@brettfehlberg9842 Жыл бұрын
I’m a bombers supporter but I’m pleased for you that’s your club you are a true supporter cheers 🍻
@TupacNation
@TupacNation 3 ай бұрын
​@@brettfehlberg9842 Thanks brother.
@Framie06
@Framie06 4 жыл бұрын
Why doesn’t this channel have more attention
@justicedemocrat9357
@justicedemocrat9357 2 жыл бұрын
I like how the Brisbane 'Bears' mascot is a koala.
@WriterGF
@WriterGF 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting documentary. While I live in America, but I chose the Lions to be my AFL club. I read up on the Bears, Fitzroy and the merger. After watching this, I’m glad I chose the Lions. Go Lions!
@legzeze2555
@legzeze2555 3 жыл бұрын
@MUFC shut up pussio
@rowdyshearer1900
@rowdyshearer1900 2 жыл бұрын
@J G WTF? these posts turn me off Soccer. Bunch of pussies. I suggest you comment of Soccer/Football uploads. You sound like a pathetic sook...go away..
@rowdyshearer1900
@rowdyshearer1900 2 жыл бұрын
sorry W. thought I was responding to a dipshit pushing soccer My bad...
@clevelandwilliams5922
@clevelandwilliams5922 Жыл бұрын
I remember that process and It’s hard to see what they went too. To me I’m a North Sydney Bear supporter in NSWRL. We are feeder club to Sydney Roosters, but we retain our identity, club colours and logo.
@Adam-XL
@Adam-XL Жыл бұрын
@@clevelandwilliams5922 Would you support the Bears if they relocated to Perth?
@Heather1365
@Heather1365 4 жыл бұрын
I note that the production of this documentary has been of the highest quality and respectful to the Fitzroy Legacy. Management often misjudges markets and seemingly applying financial rules to Fitzroy that were and are not applied to others is another one of those cases in point. Fitzroy has a long history and many supporters could not bear the pain of watching their club being berated at every opportunity in the news, hence the support slowly waned. In short they were worn down. Melbourne arguably could not support 10 clubs in the 1990's, however Melbourne quickly grew beyond expectations and TV rights have increased shifting the conditions in favor of operating in the Victorian Market. There is an arguable case that a foundation club like Fitzroy, given its underlying support and the growth of its home market could have survived and thrived if it had enjoyed some of the strategic support. Many comments are heard that there are now not enough games in Melbourne. Perhaps the Roy's could have assisted in filling the void? Let's hope this is not visited on any more clubs and the competition in general.
@Heather1365
@Heather1365 4 жыл бұрын
@@nickhaughain5784 Evidence and rhetoric are very different the Lions, Gold Coast, GWS and Sydney have been given multitudes of concessional and financial support to stay afloat over time. Where the returns for this investment are coming from is arguable at best and nonviable at worst. GWS had to hand back some of their finals ticket allocation this indicates support is not overwhelming. Those who have a stake in the outcome need to watch this space.
@mbclev
@mbclev 4 жыл бұрын
And now Browny works with Lynchie and Roosy on Fox Footy!
@cryptic6917
@cryptic6917 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin Murray was my grandfather's favourite "old" player and Pa wasn't even a Roy supporter so just goes to show how special of a player bulldog was back in his hay day
@adamedwickcoaching7029
@adamedwickcoaching7029 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic documentary. Although I'm a very passionate life long Geelong supporter, I will never forget what it was like back in the Mid80s- through the 90s. With so many clubs battling to survive. It's truly is a fantastic story in the end with the three flags. Now the Lions are back as a force once again. Fantastic Club and even better supporters.
@roybear9052
@roybear9052 4 жыл бұрын
We owe it to Kevin to win another flag!! Come one Lions for 2020
@FeminismDebunked
@FeminismDebunked 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Murray he is a SELL OUT. He sold out Fitzroy. The Brisbane Lions pay him a Wage to talk about how much of Fitzroy is in the Brisbane Lions. Honestly the Brisbane Lions have nothing to do with Fitzroy.
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
BanLiveExport Kevin Murray someone who played for Fitzroy & has common sense. You hide behind your screen being bitter I bet you didn’t even give Fitzroy a cent if he’s a sellout your a FRAUD. I don’t even pity supporters who chose not to move on after 23 years I feel embarrassed for them & you lol 😂.
@FeminismDebunked
@FeminismDebunked 4 жыл бұрын
@@MRHenHen If Brisbane had not of taken over Fitzroy they would of Merged with North Melbourne. Most Fitzroy fans do not support Brisbane. Just have a look at their Crowds in Melbourne for their 5 or 6 matches a year. There are games in Melbourne where there would not be 1000 Lions Supporters in the whole stadium and 200 of them would be Bears supporters.
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
BanLiveExport yes I do I see a lot of Fitzroy scarves & jumpers at Brisbane Lions games in Melbourne from old & young supporters who weren’t even born when Fitzroy merge. Brisbane now have just as much Victorian members as Fitzroy did in 1996. Do you really think North Melbourne would have give a shit about Fitzroy history I think not lol 😂
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
BanLiveExport If the bitter fools actually pulled there head from out of their arseholes they would have seen the North Fitzroy was going to be a takeover with there demands did anyone really think the other clubs where going to vote for it lol 😂
@ambie9341
@ambie9341 4 жыл бұрын
Go Brisbane Lions! 🦁🙌
@robbiebalboa
@robbiebalboa 4 жыл бұрын
The colours, the link between players who played for Fitzroy and Brisbane. Seemed like destiny.
@glenaustin4862
@glenaustin4862 3 жыл бұрын
Jon Brown, always showed the most insane courage on the field.
@SilentHotdog28
@SilentHotdog28 4 жыл бұрын
As a Pies supporter I cried towards the end......Thinking about all the fans that had been following fitzroy for so long....to then have no team to follow........So much history for the club to be swallowed by another.
@dancollins8338
@dancollins8338 3 жыл бұрын
@MUFC Soccer is gay!!
@roybear9052
@roybear9052 3 жыл бұрын
MUFC bro literally no one cares mate stfu
@igorivanov299
@igorivanov299 3 жыл бұрын
What about the bear's supporters, their club changed everything identifiable about them besides the location.
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 3 жыл бұрын
Fitzroy fans just went and joined Brisbane mostly. Yet again, some clubs could've made the change more subtle. North Melbourne Kangaroos were asked to be a QLD/NT team and to rename to the "Northern Kangaroos". No changes otherwise. They turned it down. It's good for North Melbournians, I guess. But Darwinians have no AFL team (other than their NEAFL team which no longer exists).
@igorivanov299
@igorivanov299 3 жыл бұрын
@@bearmarco1944 The AFL should've invested in teams from NT and Tasmania rather then Gold Coast and Western Sydney. Darwin Dingoes and Tasmania Devils would be far better choices. In my opinion. Also Fitzroy and North Melbourne would have been the better merge.
@kye9735
@kye9735 3 жыл бұрын
I was a passionate Fitzroy supporter and idolised Alastair Lynch growing up. Sad to see Lynchy leave end of the 1993. i also took a liking for Brisbane Bears in 94 when Lynchy went there. When Fitzroy merged with brisbane I was sad but happy I still think Robert Walls built that team to win that premiership in 2001.
@adelaidecrowsrdabest
@adelaidecrowsrdabest 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, thanks for uploading!
@butcherboy9749
@butcherboy9749 4 жыл бұрын
Great work thank you GO LIONS
@UNILisaNicholls
@UNILisaNicholls 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful insight into the past, the heartache the indignity, the fightback and the success all rolled into one! Go Lions.
@kurtflahavin5994
@kurtflahavin5994 4 жыл бұрын
An inspirational documentary. Two clubs becoming one.
@haydencomber6624
@haydencomber6624 4 жыл бұрын
Yea the Bears
@JonathonWoodgate
@JonathonWoodgate 4 жыл бұрын
Great piece of history!
@sentimentalbloke185
@sentimentalbloke185 Жыл бұрын
Excellent doco, one of the best I've seen on Aussie Rules. Even-handed, interesting people interviewed, good archival footage, etc.
@cant_touchthis69
@cant_touchthis69 4 жыл бұрын
How ironic that the reason they didnt want north and fitzroy to merge was the fear of a 'super team' - look what happened 5 years later
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah had nothing to do with that though.
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760 3 жыл бұрын
Well look the Fitzroy bit of that team was hardly anything Brisbane on its own was gonna win a grand final anyways all they got was Jonathan Brown
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
Now look what happened to north. Joke of the league
@DarkgraveExtra
@DarkgraveExtra 26 күн бұрын
the Brisbane bears would definitely be a way better team than North Melbourne
@krazzbayley
@krazzbayley 9 ай бұрын
Back in 1996 Robert Walls almost got the Bears into a Grand Final the year before the merger. He was 1 win away from getting into a Grand Final, I was at that North Melbourne V Brisbane Bears game and it was just nerves that got them stunned in the first quatre.
@JTalkinsport
@JTalkinsport Ай бұрын
that wan't Walls it was John Northey
@krazzbayley
@krazzbayley Ай бұрын
@@JTalkinsport I thought Northey only did 1 and a half years as coach left half way thorough the 98 season then Roger Merritt took over in 98, as we got the wooden spoon that year.
@johncoleman5797
@johncoleman5797 Жыл бұрын
All the stories told in this documentary were fantastic but none better than the stories of Kevin Murray, an absolutely beautiful man!
@simont1299
@simont1299 4 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic. I grew up a Hawks fan but lived in QLD. When the Bears moved to the GABBA and stated to play well my loyalty to the hawks wained. But when the merger happened I could not support the lions. But living in brissie I have always had a soft spot for them and was so happy for them when they claimed the three peat and enjoyed wthing there talented group play.
@LomuHabana
@LomuHabana 2 ай бұрын
Why couldn’t you support the Lions?
@kgerlach01
@kgerlach01 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldve liked to have seen Brad Boyd and Chris Johnson be interviewed. Get more of a players perspective from that final year at Fitzroy.
@FezPez88
@FezPez88 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks!
@rendlebury1520
@rendlebury1520 4 жыл бұрын
There it is what a great doco Ive been looking for this for ages I was a near 7 at the time of the merger thanks for the upload and I can also say if I was a Fitzroy supporter I wouldn’t follow Brisbane not because of our losses to them in the Grand Finals but because Fitzroy were Victorian and should of merged with another Victorian club I still believe Brisbane are the bears with Fitzroy heritage and it wasn’t a merger it was a takeover like Mconnell said
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
Rendlebury It was a business decision at the end of the day. I know the other presidents voted for the Brisbane merger but it was Ross Oakley’s dream to bring Port Adelaide into the AFL & he got what he wanted. Fitzroy member’s weren’t allowed to vote on the club’s future unlike Hawthorn & Melbourne. The way the AFL handled the merger was a disgrace Ross Oakley never showed any compassion to any Fitzroy people
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is no other teams wanted to merge apart from North
@noodz2777
@noodz2777 9 ай бұрын
Still brings a tear to my eye every time i watch this :(
@alienuniversetimeline3427
@alienuniversetimeline3427 4 жыл бұрын
Great doco.
@bartsprigg4415
@bartsprigg4415 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, that was Awesome!!
@samiam7241
@samiam7241 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant doco
@thevelointhevale1132
@thevelointhevale1132 3 жыл бұрын
I really feel for Fitzroy supporters ... the merger from their perspective is the worst thing to happen to a Club of local supporters. I went through the exact same thing with my Rugby League team in the 80's ... Balmain Tigers merged with our hated enemies, Western Suburbs Magpies! At that point I quit watching Rugby League forever and have never followed the comp since - that's how hard that merger hit it me so I know EXACTLY how Fitzroy supporters must have felt and perhaps still feel to this day. Happily however, Fitzroy did not merge with another hated local Melbourne AFL Club ... can you imagine that as an alternative? Brisbane are my Club and I will say this - I take into account the back story and History of Fitzroy Football Club - fear not, the memory of Fitzroy lives on with the Brisbane Lions every time we take the field - take that to heart.
@MisterPolitical1
@MisterPolitical1 2 жыл бұрын
Did you back the cowboys in 2005?
@clevelandwilliams5922
@clevelandwilliams5922 Жыл бұрын
I felt the same way for my North Sydney Bears. Then our team was spat out by Sea Eagles and that was best thing those Manly Warringah boys did. Because we remained the North Sydney Bears in NSWRL. Now we are feeder club to Sydney Rooster, another foundation club.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
Tigers got off way better than magpies. They kept the colours and logo. Sorry but I feel more sorry for their supporters than tigers supporters
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
@@clevelandwilliams5922manly should have been kicked out of the league after they un-merged
@michaelmichalios6485
@michaelmichalios6485 Жыл бұрын
Yes definitely
@jakenorthbriz
@jakenorthbriz 3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful video, I really love how the AFL expanded the great game and how they didn't just throw Fitzroy under the bus but actually recognised the contribution they gave to football. The fact Jonathon Brown went to Brisbane was significant too, he was a Victorian and for him to go play for the Brisbane Lions was so imprtant to them succeeding. Good times ahead for Brisbane
@jc7671
@jc7671 Жыл бұрын
It is not a real merger. It was just a reason for the AFL to keep the Lions moniker. The Lions received a buck load of cash and Chris Johnston. The rest of the players were crap and not worth keeping. Fitzroy should have been pushed into the state level competition and probably would still be existing today.
@andrewbrowne6410
@andrewbrowne6410 9 ай бұрын
Great doco. Whilst the merge was necessary the FFC were not treated with the respect and dignity they deserved from neither media, the AFL nor the wider footy community. Noel Gordon a great example of this. I’ll be cheering the Lions today (GF Day 2023). Good luck Roy Boys!
@alexmurrayholmes
@alexmurrayholmes 10 ай бұрын
The passion Kevin Murray speaks with is so heartwarming. What a legend.
@russellturnbull4209
@russellturnbull4209 9 ай бұрын
Ross I love your honesty
@wrangwrangisme1475
@wrangwrangisme1475 3 жыл бұрын
The man that started it all my local footy team are gonna merge so we can have two teams there’s so much things that AFL Barwon are doing and no one wants to give the club up.My dad was a Fitzroy fan and he just didn’t know what to do the merge changed everything for all the OG lions fans it didn’t deserve to happen but Fitzroy to the end.
@EU_Red_Fox
@EU_Red_Fox 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see how they spliced the promotional Brisbane Bears video with new footage. Lovely documentary that gives light to the Bears story and tells the tale some know of the Lions proud history yet horrible financial decision making that led to their demise.
@scaryazz
@scaryazz 4 жыл бұрын
Teared up a bit watching their last game tbh
@badjujuforever
@badjujuforever 4 жыл бұрын
not an afl fan but very interesting
@dylanroberts1943
@dylanroberts1943 4 жыл бұрын
F**k that was gutsy, tear in my eye
@andrewsim26
@andrewsim26 11 ай бұрын
Not a lions fan, I follow Sydney. But the old man is an old Fitzroy fan. Very interesting watch
@ttrus2771
@ttrus2771 Жыл бұрын
To this day, I still believe the dissolution of the Fitzroy Football Club was a disgrace.. the league propped up fledgling interstate clubs for decades.. I’m glad we lost the rich history of a founding member of the VFL to have the privilege of the soulless Gold Coast Suns in 2022…
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
It’s so easy to tell other clubs what to do. As long as yours doesn’t merge
@cola-z9219
@cola-z9219 2 жыл бұрын
Despite what Victorians believe like the bible, Aussie Rules in Victoria is the least relevant indicator for the AFLs success. National expansion will determine where the league sits in 20 years, and international expansion will determine where the league sits in 30-60 years
@Adam-XL
@Adam-XL Жыл бұрын
There is nowhere left to go other than Tas, and international expansion will never happen without a crazy billionaire who is willing to haemorrhage buckets of money steps in
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
Yeah Victoria is the largest state that follows football (also the second largest populated state.) The fans aren’t going to go, “I followed my team since birth. Now they’re merged and their history is wiped, that ok. I’ll just continue on like nothing happened.”
@LomuHabana
@LomuHabana 2 ай бұрын
Aussie Rules won’t be an international sport anytime soon. Not even in 60 years. Great sport but way too much competition from other football codes which are already internationally established or are on their way of becoming internationally established and have a much much bigger following already. The three most prominent being of course Soccer, American Football and to a lesser extent Rugby Union. AFL should focus on making Aussie Rules the number one football code everywhere in Australia first.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 ай бұрын
@@LomuHabana that’s what they said about rugby league. It’s become somewhat popular. A few years ago it was only taken seriously in some parts of northern England, poor suburbs of Paupa New Guinea. It’s done pretty well although it’s pretty much unknown compared to Union
@LomuHabana
@LomuHabana 2 ай бұрын
@@sliat1981 That is the thing, it is still not widely known nor very popular outside of its traditional strong holds. It is becoming more irrelevant rather than more popular in (northern) England in my perception, you also see that in international test matches of England. It is still very popular in NSW and Qld, and seems to be ( slightly) growing in NZ a nation that breaths rugby, but is still far behind Union. For the rest, it is an unknown and rather irrelevant sport and it won’t hold up against the far more globally popular Union which is rapidly growing and expanding.
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
It was the Fitzroy president at the time Leon Wiegard that voted for West Coast to enter the competition after getting the money from the West Coast power brokers which helped Fitzroy survive into the next season
@rendlebury1520
@rendlebury1520 4 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t keep Fitzroy alive in Victoria yet the AFL approves crap like the Gold Coast Suns and wont let them die if that’s not a kick in the arse for all Fitzroy fans I dong know what is
@astonishedhoplite2510
@astonishedhoplite2510 4 жыл бұрын
It was a different time then mate. The afl nearly went broke. But yeah they should just fuck off gold coast. And a Victorian team or two. And bring in a Tassie team. Mabye st Kilda and Melbourne or north Melbourne
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 3 жыл бұрын
astonished hoplite 25 A ridiculous statement.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
They’re too arrogant to admit they fucked up with Gold Coast and just relocate them to tassie already
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 2 жыл бұрын
@@astonishedhoplite2510 GC will come good, and you can't g ert rid of Melbourne. Before the AFL, there was the VFL. Before that, there was the VFA. Before that was the Melbourne Football Club.
@astonishedhoplite2510
@astonishedhoplite2510 2 жыл бұрын
@@bearmarco1944 yeah not the Dee's clearly right now 😂
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
I wonder how north felt about merging? Were their fans pissed off about their team being joined with the lions?
@pillwolak
@pillwolak 10 ай бұрын
Well..a super-team was still formed
@Driftty
@Driftty 10 ай бұрын
This is really interesting as a crows supporter
@russellturnbull4209
@russellturnbull4209 9 ай бұрын
I love the pie's have since I was 8 years old. I was born and bred in QLD, but I'm sorry lions ...the pie's!😢
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
Fuck the pies. Most hated team in the afl
@barrycade9803
@barrycade9803 9 ай бұрын
Didn't Fitzroy own a soccer team in the 70s called Fitzroy Alexander, who played a few years at the Brunswick Street Oval?
@ftyhwsoasde3452
@ftyhwsoasde3452 4 жыл бұрын
Lived in Hervey bay in 95,used to ring up channel 7 every week and give them shit, Maryborough I think,I told ya didn't I mate,I told em alright,met leppa at the local bombers ground in the ninetys,got some good pics,I remember the kids driving him crazy,on ya leppa,
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 2 жыл бұрын
shit I live in that area, hervey bay specifically
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
So did my aunty.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
So glad my dees don’t merge with hawks. Won a flag without wiping our history
@declanmoore75
@declanmoore75 4 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad that hawthorn and Melbourne didn’t merge
@stooftheoof5254
@stooftheoof5254 4 жыл бұрын
Declan Moore me too
@declanmoore75
@declanmoore75 4 жыл бұрын
Footy Fanatic 18 except you probably would have enjoyed some more premiership glory
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
Hawthorn & Melbourne members where allowed to vote for their futures. The other clubs presidents sealed Fitzroy fate. Ross Oakley wanted Fitzroy gone at the end of 1986 he got what he wanted 10 years later & rode off into the sunset
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
Declan Moore except it wouldn’t be ours and it wouldn’t be yours. Both our history’s would have been wiped. I’d take 50 wooden spoons before extinction
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760
@marnuscoreyempanadaslooseb6760 3 жыл бұрын
Declan Moore me too imagine if Sam Mitchell and Luke Hodge had to have played with Nathan Jones oh ffs that would have been scary
@gussysfootyandcricketflix8493
@gussysfootyandcricketflix8493 4 жыл бұрын
What about Paul roos
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
Although Fitzroy was the team Footscray nearly merged with it was never really hated by the club. It really helped that they were helping them by being tenants at their ground. When they died it hurt Footscray a lot. This must never happen again. We’d lose more fans to soccer
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 3 жыл бұрын
A little old lady saved Footscray from merging with Fitzroy
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
@@Magpie_Mark92 it was way more complicated than that. I highly recommend watching the documentary “every dog has its day”. It’s on KZfaq and it’s fantastic. And if you’re referring to Irene Chatfield, she was only in her 30’s at the time. Hardly old
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
@@Magpie_Mark92I hope you’re not to referring to Irene Charfield. She was not an old woman in 1989. She was still living with her parents
@theresagwhite3175
@theresagwhite3175 2 жыл бұрын
The word merge is wrong. This was a takeover.
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 Жыл бұрын
I still think there should be more mergers but instead of mixing the jumpers it should be one team gets the home jumper and one team gets the away jumper
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
Why should we lose more fans because their teams have been compromised and their history wiped? This should never happen again
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 3 ай бұрын
@sliat1981 theres too many teams in Victoria and lots of them get spoon fed by the AFL
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
@@Magpie_Mark92 so we sacrifice clubs and fans because you don’t like it? Those teams played and joined when it was the VFL. They shouldn’t be kicked out for the sake of a national competition. It was started in Melbourne. The NRL is much worse. The only have 2 team out out two states
@darrenlock9530
@darrenlock9530 3 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't never have happened!!! Afl gives money to gws some of the other Melbourne teams as well!! One of the oldest clubs in Aussie Rules. I felt for that club. And in till this day the afl are a DISGRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!
@theresagwhite3175
@theresagwhite3175 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Fitzroy offer to go and play games in Canberra, only for the AFL to refuse.
@frankmat
@frankmat Жыл бұрын
The AFL gave money to Brisbane to take over Fitzroy... absolutely guarantee it. The AFL could have bailed out Fitzroy... they only owed just over $1 million which is nothing. Instead they wanted Fitzroy to die and wanted Brisbane and Sydney who were basket case clubs in non- AFL states to win flags so they could get TV rights money. It's an absolute joke to call it a merger and real Fitzroy fans would never barrack for Brisbane.
@ramiromaia592
@ramiromaia592 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know if Nauru ever got their money back
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
Ramiro Maia When Brisbane merged with Fitzroy the AFL gave them $8 million as a merger incentive I don’t know if it was above the salary cap or not but Brisbane did payed Fitzroy’s $4.2 million debt to Nauru off
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
@@MRHenHen I’m pretty sure the AFL payed it off
@Meat__pie55
@Meat__pie55 2 жыл бұрын
As an Essendon supporter I think about that the bears and lions shouldn’t of combined
@MisterPolitical1
@MisterPolitical1 2 жыл бұрын
If Fitzroy stayed then crows or Collingwood besides port Adelaide would have won more flags
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 4 жыл бұрын
That merger was one of the greatest blights in football history. Fitzroy still exists as a footy club now playing at a level below the VFL... and they are in partnership deal with a club that has zero to do with the suburb of Fitzroy. It’ll never happen but it’ll be a great day if Fitzroy were readmitted to the league. The AFL was just determined to scrap a Melbourne club for more interstate clubs. Was a disgrace what happened to Fitzroy.
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 3 жыл бұрын
AstheniaSickness Der
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 2 жыл бұрын
@@latenightlogic Your rhetoric is easy to notice. The fact you call non-Victorian clubs "interstate" already tells one all they need to know about how you see the *national* competition.
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 2 жыл бұрын
@@bearmarco1944 Dude, it was the Victorian Football League so to go beyond that you must go… yes it’s that word: interstate. Yeah it’s a national competition - the heart and soul are in Melbourne and always will be. What’s your point anyway?
@bearmarco1944
@bearmarco1944 2 жыл бұрын
@@latenightlogic It's the Australian football league now, an dc we've moved past the Victorian-centric competition. The VFL, second tier competition is all-Victorian. Save for the Queensland and NSW teams. If there weren't non-Victorian teams coming in with millions of dollars to bail out the VFL, the competition would've gone bankrupt. Non-Victorian teams are the fuel of yhe competition, as a non-Victorian team has a higher member count than any other. TL;DR, stop being Victoria centric.
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 2 жыл бұрын
@@bearmarco1944 so the competition that had been going strong from 1897 suddenly found itself going bankrupt in the 1970s and 80s? No. It was money and greed. The AFL would love to boot out more Melbourne clubs and put in focus group created clubs, anything to get more and more money. Now we’re left with the awfully named ‘Greater Western Sydney Giants’ egh. Again: yeah it’s a national competition but the heart and soul are in Melbourne.
@1codeking
@1codeking 4 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic documentary. Best decision to merge Fitzroy with the Bears. Enormous respect for Ross Oakley. People can carry on about how they think he never cared about Fitzroy, but his duty was to the League and making sure the competition remained viable. Having Fitzroy’s proud history be adopted into Brisbane was another step in the direction of expanding the comp to what it is today. Brisbane embraced Fitzroy and its heritage far greater than any other Club would have done. That’s just common sense to know that. Fitzroy lives on through the Brisbane Lions, as attested by Kevin Murray. 💛
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
He didn’t care about Fitzroy. It’s been well documented he blocked Fitzroy from making any way of financial gain. Fitzroy wanting to be privately owned to relocation proposals to Tasmania & Canberra to the Schweppes sponsorship deal which would have given Fitzroy a big financial boost because the AFL major sponsor was Coca Cola. Even the way he handled the merger was a complete farce he didn’t give a shit about the small amount of members & supporters. They kept the club going for 10 years with little or no help at all from Ross Oakley. All he cared about was bringing Port Adelaide into the competition & he got what he wanted.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
Up yours Oakley. Luckily Footscray power people saved them.
@ApolloNightshade
@ApolloNightshade 2 жыл бұрын
Two things we learned from this documentary- Robert Walls is a racist 24:40 and a homosexual 28:23
@Adam-XL
@Adam-XL 2 жыл бұрын
LOL
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 2 жыл бұрын
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
@beano1eye
@beano1eye 2 жыл бұрын
Oakley should've got rid of his own club St Kilda who had only had 1 premiership to Fitzroy's 8!
@theresagwhite3175
@theresagwhite3175 2 жыл бұрын
And how many wooden spoons have they won compared to Fitzroy's? 28 as opposed to 8
@MisterPolitical1
@MisterPolitical1 2 жыл бұрын
If Oakley had removed st kilda, 1977 would have been the last drawn granny not 2010 + north Melbourne would have won back to back flags in 97
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 ай бұрын
He’s hawthorn. He was more than happy to ax them in 1996
@Ub3rSk1llz
@Ub3rSk1llz 4 жыл бұрын
'i'm from melbourne, why would i barrack for a club called brisbane??' pick another club, you've got 10 of them lol.
@damienmiller1302
@damienmiller1302 4 жыл бұрын
You're obviously not from Melbourne then, you can't just pick another Melbourne club lol
@MRHenHen
@MRHenHen 4 жыл бұрын
It was the other Melbourne club presidents that voted for the Brisbane then North Melbourne fearing of creating a powerhouse club which is why some that didn’t go to Brisbane went to North Melbourne.
@1codeking
@1codeking 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that comment suggested to me that it was someone who wasn’t keen on the VFL expanding to become the AFL. One of those folks that didn’t want the game to expand as a National competition.
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not that easy to just change alligences
@latenightlogic
@latenightlogic 3 жыл бұрын
Kinda true. But then, just watch Fitzroy in the VAFA.
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 4 жыл бұрын
I went for the bears at the time and didnt want fitzroy which in the end was the reason me leaving and going to collingwood my dad had being trying for years to get me to collingwood
@SilentHotdog28
@SilentHotdog28 4 жыл бұрын
Just like Buckley, if you had of stayed, you would have been on the winning side of 3 Premierships......But that's in the past.....Go the Pies!!!!
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 4 жыл бұрын
@@SilentHotdog28no one had a crystal ball of what was gonna happen 10 years later
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
Collingwood is the team wimps go for because they’re too scared to go for a team they want just what everyone else are going for
@Magpie_Mark92
@Magpie_Mark92 3 жыл бұрын
@@sliat1981 more like theres those who barrack for Collingwood and those who wish they did
@sliat1981
@sliat1981 3 жыл бұрын
Maggie 92 no it’s more the “I just want to fit in with everyone else” people
@David-ej4xz
@David-ej4xz 2 жыл бұрын
Alan is so disconnect from reality
@David-ej4xz
@David-ej4xz 2 жыл бұрын
Fuk baby. I want go trust you n you fuk it
@redtiger4352
@redtiger4352 4 жыл бұрын
There are too many teams in Victoria, 4 more should go, saints dees dogs and north
@walruso5745
@walruso5745 4 жыл бұрын
No rack off my saints been around since 1873 not going anywhere 🔴⚪️⚫️. The clubs shouldn’t be torn away from fans we should invest in new clubs in Tassie and the Northern Territory instead.
@damienmiller1302
@damienmiller1302 4 жыл бұрын
There are too many Victorian teams. Please eliminate 4. I am not a crackpot
@damienmiller1302
@damienmiller1302 4 жыл бұрын
Seriously though the AFL is doing just fine now. Those clubs aren't the biggest but they still all have a minimum of 40k members, and financially there's no real problems. That might change in the future, but for now it makes no sense to move any clubs
@redtiger4352
@redtiger4352 4 жыл бұрын
@@walruso5745 who cares if club been for hundreds of years... It can survive and should go
@redtiger4352
@redtiger4352 4 жыл бұрын
@@damienmiller1302 not economically feasible and the comp suffers.... The talent are diluted... Who wants watch mediocre games....Saints North Dees and Dogs are struggling on and off field and should merge with the big boys. GC should be cut, and introduce a team from Tassie
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