Always a nice video, really good stories! I'd like to send you this new list I wrote to be judged. Generally what I look for is to add a second threat that can distract from the Watcher or that can in turn go unnoticed while the Watcher attracts attention. Secondly ally to cover holes in Moria such as better shooting, quick models, and magic. I have not seen (surely from my own lack of experience) matching the Watcher to a contingent of the Serpent horde, obviously to maximize the thematic component of a list intended just as Tolkien dreamed. Thinking about it, though, it does seem to me to cover so many of Moria's weaknesses: Moria + Serpent horde 700 punti Suladan on armored horse(Leader) 115 2 Serpent rider 26 6 Serpent guard 48 5 Haradrim warrior sper + bow 40 Durburz 70 1 Bat Swarm 35 5 Goblin warrior spear 25 5 Goblin warrior shield 25 2 Goblin warrior bow 10 2 Goblin prowler 14 Goblin captain 35 4 Goblin warrior spear 20 4 Goblin warrior shield 20 2 Goblin warrior bow 10 1 Goblin prowler 7 Watcher in the water 200 Number 43 models Might 9 Bows 9

yeah guy love your content I've play MESBG but I'm thinking of starting sometime after watching a lot of youtubers about it Especially watching all of your guys videos I always looking forward to watching your next videos. so I live in US Lynchburg Virginia and from what I've seen no one really plays. this but I still want to play some day and I have a few list I've thought of but I would like your opinion on it. it's a Gray Company Legendary Legion for a 1000 points my idea is to have a themey hero list that can have good numbers and good killing power. I hope you like it Aragorn with elven cloak and Armor(Leader) 170 Legolas 100 Gimli 100 Halbarad with Banner of Arwen Evenstar 110 The Twins with heavy armor and elven bow 180 10 Rangers of The North with spears 310 1 Ranger of The North 30 number 17 models Might 29 plus Aragorn's free might bows 15 thank you guys for your time really like the video also from what I've seen my favorite Factions are Numenor/The Last Alliance, and Minas Tirith what would be a good 800 point list for them with King Elessar, and High King Elendil or Isidur (because Isidur is my favorite Tolkien character I always prefer fun over optimal when I play games like this thank you again guys.

It doesn't have a bomb, but I knocked up a Vanilla Isengard list because I think they have some promising tools in this matchup. Isengard 650pts Saruman the White w/Horse - 190 Grima Wormtongue w/Horse - 35 9 Uruk-Hai w/Crossbows - 99 8 Orcs w/Spear - 48 Gorulf Ironskin - 70 4 Uruk-Hai Berserkers - 60 6 Orcs w/Spear - 36 2 Uruk-Hai w/Pike and 1 Banner - 45 Frida Tallspear - 65 33 Models, 9 Might, 9 Crossbows Early Game: The crossbows kill as many as possible (as with Rainier's list). On the approach, the hope is that Azog will have a Catch-22. Either he hides behind his troops to avoid shooting and risks Saruman blasting an Orc into him for the dismount, or he has to risk shooting to avoid that possibility. Might spent by the Captains for Marches is also helpful. Mid Game: Even if Azog is in perfect health and mounted, he's not out of the woods yet. Even with effectively 4 Will and Resistant to Magic, getting Blasted remains a very real threat, and if he avoids that he can still get stymied by Frida being able to neuter his charge bonus. I avoided pikes both for points and to make it easier for spearmen to swap out for Frida depending on where Azog goes. Grima makes calling Moves difficult, since Pits has no tools to remove him, which combined with 9 Might means I'll win the war of attrition within a few turns. For the troop fight, F4 S4 Crossbows backed up by spears should do reasonably well against Hunter Orcs and Gundabads. This will go poorly in the long run as the front rank dies and F3 D4 Orc spears are left, but Uruk-Hai berserkers, Gorulf, and spears with banner support should chew through Pits like butter. Azog might see this as tempting, but even if he's intact he's risking a lot challenging Gorulf. Either Gorulf plays it safe, calls Defense, and has Frida save his bacon or he commits to a Strike-off and forces Azog to burn 2 Might thanks to Grima, with Saruman attempting to Immobilize Azog. Late Game: Surprise attack is a powerful tool, but between the Palantir and (effectively) greater Might reserves thanks to Grima I should be able to move first for most of the late game. I lack cavalry or crebain, so Saruman is my go-to here for moving around and dealing with potential objectives that Pits controls. Once Pits is out of Might, Grima will be able to assist in this effort. Breaking doesn't concern me terribly, as Terrifying Aura makes Saruman unlikely to be charged, his Stand Fast is fantastic, and as long as I can break Pits they'll melt. Either Azog is dead or I Immobilize him with Saruman at some stage, turning off his Stand Fast and letting C2/C3 take its toll. Still some Scenarios that are shakey. Heirlooms/Seize the Prize against with 3 Fell Wargs while lacking March is rough, and Reconnoitre/Storm the Camp are gonna be rough preventing/trying to score primary VPs. Grima helps a tad, but him alone escaping off the board isn't worth anything until a friend joins him. Saruman could also just have a REALLY bad game dealing with Resistant to Magic. I like him for making Azog's every action that much riskier and (hopefully) dismounting him relatively early to slow him down, but dice are fickle and those 190pts can just blow up in my face. Haven't actually stress-tested this against Pits, so all of this is theorycraft until it actually accomplishes something! Curious what y'all might think.

In the beginning someone talks about pure Moria is what they would go for, if going competitive Moria. Just wondering what that would look like?

ok we've had the Pita of Dul-Guldur, but what about the Kebab of Dol-Guldur?

I was thinking about pure Dunharrow against the Pits - by skipping on Aragorn and the Legion, you have 550pts for your warriors, which can get you into the mid-30s easily AND still get a banner and a few cav in the list. Would an extra 9 guys and a banner be worth the trade?