I didn't even know there company's name lmao, I also think alot of people can agree with me, I only know seventeen for being seventeen

I don't want to give credit but pledis *did* train the members. Remember, talent is nothing without hard work.

@@vmin9848 Yeah, but it was the boys who worked hard training, not pledis. The group was so successful because of the members initiative, not because of anything pledis did. The boys could most likely sustain themselves without pledis if they had the money and the will to do it. Pledis is riding on the backs of seventeen.

@@kuukiuu I meant like Pledis took them in as trainees, trained them on singing and dancing, and also gave them a chance to debut. Though they didn't do much, they still were the reason you know them now

@@dylanmurano8843 well I mean...svt is a thing *because* of pledis? Like they would've never met each other or even *have* the name svt if it weren't for pledis..

IFKR

LITERALLY THO

where the lie tho

Ikr

You are right, if it wasn’t for Seventeen. It would have been Pledis who?

What ?

@@mak5566 i said pledis is just a terrible company regardless if they got acquired. Which part of my statement was unclear?

@@justzzzzletgo HYBE doesn't manages any groups under HYBE. HYBE only gives financial support for them and explosure. Every groups under HYBE are managed by their labels according to the contract. Ex: Enhypen is managed by Belift and Seventeen is managed by Pledis. According to the contract HYBE will give full freedom to the labels and if they were still treated badly they wouldn't renew their contact.

@@Riya-bt3is That's why I said their acquisition was redundant.

@@Riya-bt3is I'm sorry but please keep in mind, for your information, if a company owns more than 50% of the share of company, it is considered as controlling interest. "Purchasing more than 50% of a target firm's stock and other assets allows the acquire to make decisions about the newly acquired assets even without the approval from the company's other shareholders." to make it short, hybe acquired 85% of pledis. well from my perspective ever since hybe acquired svt the only thing they’ve gained was weverse and more exposure on western shows. No hate but there was act more loss than gain..pledis does run independently, but as hybe owns 85% of the company whether they deny it or not they still do have a lot of say in how pledis should run. i don’t know how much hybe makes over pledis because that data was never released to the public. it’s a bit naive to say they don’t make that much off pledis because just last year alone svt sold million plus copies on one ep alone hehehe. Of course both of them gain benefits from each other😅😊

True at least I hope more kpop stans will appreciate svt music more, not just as dancing king bcs they're all rounders group, have top tier vocals like Dk, seungkwan, woozi etc & have one of the best discography music in kpop industry! All their b-sides tracks are amazing, even their Japanese songs are top tier:) they even made special birthday song for fans anniversary on 14feb tho♡~♥~ And seventeen never follow the trend. Woozi even mentioned that they made music not to follow the trend, but to express their feelings and made people happy or give comfort to listener. And I'm feeling touched by what Hoshi said in magazine too: "I feel like the SEVENTEEN we are today comes from all the growing and changing we've done. I always wondered what the trendiest music is, but trends change so fast that there's no one answer. So, I decided it's best not to think about trends and just do what you want to do and be sincere about it. Obviously, trendy music and concepts and things like that are important, but if that's all you are aiming for, you're limiting yourself and you'll lose sight of your goal. Hence, we want to be able to use our albums as a way to share stories that are appropriate for our age,and which capture our current vibes the best. SEVENTEEN's new album have always been that way and our next album will be something new, too." indeed, seventeen is true artist, not just an idol 👏

Well said

@@stantalentsstancomediansst5712 1) Wery well said 2) Love ur name 3) From what I heard Woozi did the song with Carats on his b-day v-live (?)

@@Anobluu yes true I saw that vlive and the lyrics was made by carats. Woozi also finished the song less than an hour. Truly a legend

so deep

ngl i was going to try and audition but i'll rather stick to rbw ent

@@luvistay-yi2pv keep us updated!

@SHARISMELL ARIAS ESPINOSA thanks

@@ashtoncooper5478 I will but rn I'm still practicing my singing skills because when i did monsta x beside u ft pit bull and rapped his part my cousin was surprised so all i need to do is practice singing. I promise to update

@@luvistay-yi2pv good luck :) I'll be waiting for the day to see you on stage

Can I have the link for the vid?

It's so sad what they have been through 💔

Unfortunately is not just them,there are others who crack under the pressure, they never heard of aging and are lost to use. 😥 😔

He has a Lion's share in SVT success 💯

"I feel like I'm the one who'll determine all 13 members' future.. I feel so tired but I couldn't tell that to the other members. We're so close (like a family) that I couldn't even tell them... I thought, if things don't work out for us, what should I do?" -18 year old Woozi

When was that? Can you send link please

It was DK who said that. He sounded like he was joking, but he wasn't wrong though

And one time one of the member ( I think Hoshi or DK ) also called Pledis an evil company but the members stopped him by saying " you can say it a few years later after we become independent, but not now , we are just rookie now "

That was DK, but Seungkwan stopped him hahaha saying he could do it after a few years 😂

Where did they say that? Can you please drop the link? :(

it has least to do with hybe honestly. svt are still managed by pledis

@@apurvakw I don’t think people understand that

@@sailormagic13 ikr like I see so many people blindly dragging hybe and even BTS into this. when they announced that hybe acquired pledis it was clearly stated that hybe will look after financial stuff while og companies will still manage their own artist.

I agree to the hardships part……. In a way IF PLEDIS USES THE FINANCES GIVEN BY HYBE IN THE RIGHT MANNER AND MANGE SEVENTEEN PROPERLY THE ABOVE SHALL END… BUT YEAH PLEDIS DOING THAT IS A MATTER OF BIG DOUBT..!! AT LEAST THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FINANCIAL ISSUES AND ALL!!! I AM A HYBE FAN AND WELL A BABY CARAT I KNEW ABOUT PLEDIS BEING AN EVIL COMPANY AS QUOTED BY DK ONCE BUT I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS THIS BAD FOR THEM….!!

@@xeri6944 HYBE has nothing to do with Seventeen's management. According to the contract, HYBE will provide money but the groups will be managed by the labels .

I feel the same TT and I think pre-debut fans had it hard, afraid of what will come to the boys who haven't debuted yet but also excited so I really admire you and all carats overall!!!

Same heree 😢💔

You're right like now finally they're getting what they deserve now but it's still not enough they give their best but are always unnoticed

I dont like any artist disrespectful. There music is amazing. they need a new agency

@@missyiscute09 They're literally under HYBE👁👄👁

@@JamzelogistTM they WERE under pledis

@@JamzelogistTM o yeah thats right some of there music still says Pledis

@@JamzelogistTM nah hybe ain't it. They need smth like pnation Unless we get s.coups entertainment 😩✊

they can file it anytime..lets see what happen after the contract is over

@@shine9118 mhm lets see if they do that’s good because they are getting the justification they need if they don’t then that’s also fine we trust our boys

At alllllllllll I still hope they sue tho

@@shine9118 seventeen has renewed their contracts

Would they even be able to afford getting sued? If they couldn't care about their idols when they weren't retaliating, then most likely they will probably never be able to pay off all of the lawsuits that they supposedly could've gotten

ur comment need a highlight for real!! they really work with their own, no make up stories, no great sale or promoting group, Seventeen does only rely on themselves..

They are not very rich. It is reported than SVT is an underpaid group by the KPop standards.

@@alantes that's so unfair

@@alantes considering that Pledis manages their finances, no wonder they are underpaid, but whatever money they get outside where company has no hand in like photoshoot, brand deals and stuff, it's theirs and they have been doing that a lot so I suppose they make a good figure

Pls highlight this comment!

Same here

S.Coups hiatus was a big clue for us. Also I remember a lengthy interview they did with Stacey Nam from iheart radio, and I think it was the 8 who was rocking back and forth in his chair for most of the interview, that is a sign of stress and anxiety.

yea, a lot of stuff were going on. I think there are other vids that talk ab this too in a more in-depth way? iirc they added the source of some stuff as well & I rmbr there was smth like this on a twt thread as well. you can search this on yt if you're interested in knowing more ab pledis + svt's & other pledis artist's (nu'est & pristin, etc.) struggles: *PLEDIS Entertainment: The Company That Can't Do Their Job - Jihoons Carat* *The Worst Entertainment Companies: Pledis Entertainment - Chaennie Lisoo* also, yea, there's probably more info that we don't know, how this all works, how the members are rly feeling, most of the time we just see snippets of it. I do hope they are doing okay, since I read that they renewed their contracts? pledis did a lot of bad things def & they still have some other problems (ig promotions are one of them, dk's musical role, didn't rly see them hype it up/anything), but they also did some of their job well enough regarding some other stuff (mingyu's issue, iirc I rmbr reading an issue also happened w nu'est & that was also solved clearly.) give credit where credit is due ig

Same

Ohh my god I have been a fan for 4 years and I find it today I didn't know because they were always smiling but I didn't know they suffered like that

isn't seventeen under hybe now ?

@@multistankpopiee7678 No they aren't under Hybe because seventeen contract is under Pledis entertainment. Hybelabels only gives money to Pledis but they won't manage seventeen. Pledis entertainment Manage seventeen

@@caratandarmy7456 oh tq so much, i thought svt became of part of hype label in 2020

@@multistankpopiee7678 Unfortunately not, but hybe still offer their best to their artist without any interference in the contract. They give comfortable practice rooms, waiting rooms, a big cafeteria as the CEO Bang Shi Yuk dont want idols to diet and must eat delicious food. They also offer gyms and relaxing area for them. Just like I said, unfortunately they cannot completely interfere. If they were in Bighit, most probably each aspiring composer idols would have their own room in which they can make music like txt and bts and money and dieting wont be strict at all.

@@hakuei4171 oh thankyou for ur explanation

remember when everyone thought svt is from sm lol

@@natxon who thought that and why ?

this is it!! the comment that i have been waiting for...they dont need any other label they just need s.coups ent.

@@aethernity8270 netizens, probably bcs of their uhmmm ✨visual✨ and then it immediately became an inside joke among fans

@@natxon well I am a SEVENTEEN ult so i didn't know this

gfriend too

@@nailah5131 yes but im talking about the groups under Pledis

@@antoncutie ouhh sorry

Tell Anzz 'congratulations!' from me please, she's a lucky girl!

@@jeanneann3545 😂😂

Army!! Where is my invitation

actually, dispatch did the right thing here by exposing what kbs did to seventeen

@@Orinoka666 hey! What kind did? Plz tell me

for me I believe they are trying to change but that doesn’t make up for the mistreatment they did for them before and even now they should of treated them with respect before and after I’m wishing that pledis will continue to change and try to be active as an company to promote svt as well with nuest

i agree with you, they are trying to change.

Pledis has to behave now because they are no longer in control

oh dear, they didn't even THINK of promoting jun's song 🙄🙄 istg i was ready to kill them that moment

we all know why... 2022 is near 😶

They started with nothing, absolutely nothing, and build their way to the top inch by inch. I’m so proud

all of it self made, svt deserves the top position. Literally they are THE kpop group

They are in Hybe labels

I wish they were under big hit music or be:lift 😔

Technically they are under Hybe, Pledis really shouldn't have any excuses to mistreat them now knowing that their parent company does have all the financial needs.

@@Joanna_Ha ikr! They are such a humble and talented group and doesn't deserve any of these shit pledis is treating them like

@@Haifa386 yes, but to my understanding those labels under the main one are still independent while receive funding from Hybe

unglamorous indeed

Yh they're a lil better now. Slowly but surely 😭😭😭💀💀👌🏽

I think the mistreatment is still slightly going on,not only to svt but to carat too

@@metoyou3224 yes, I agree with that, as I've stated in my comment, there are still some flaws the companies have, but it's just not as huge. I just think that it's all not that bad, otherwise yup, kpop is overall messed up

I think they are better then before (i know someone will disagree with this 😂)

Pledis is only under hybe for promotion and Pledis is still independent.. please don't blame Hybe for this

They gave the seventeen members one bathroom to share-

Yes , and this gave me chills istg

At which minute he said that in the vid? Thanks!

​@@aliswyn 9:13

Yes! Those moments are mostly when Pledis is not that ✨rich✨ yet the their budget is quite limited. It's hard to manage 13 member group with not enough fund to do so, so I kinda understand. Plus, Seventeen loves their staffs, I can see they have good relationship from InSe episodes and from few random clips of them with staffs. The only issue I have with them is they suck at promoting their artists, and they can't get a good grip to all 13 members. I started ✨liking✨ them(pledis and staffs) for real after Mingyu's issue. If it's not for Pledis, Mingyu could've been removed from the group already, like how other company do to their artists who got involved in serious issues.

Exactly, Pledis is a lot better now... S.coups said in the weverse magazine interview that he is really happy right now. He even said that the staff was super helpful and that he is comfortable where he is now. All the members re-signed their contract so I guess they are happy. Pledis staff treat SVT really well, I guess they can do better in promotions but they're doing pretty good job managing them.

You do realise they have to be nice to seventeen now because that’s all that is giving them money. They essentially own the company at this rate

@@layneo8323 that's also true, but there are also many mistreated popular groups out there who literally bring the money for their company so us, fans, are happy and thankful (though it's a company's job to take care of their artists) that pledis seems to treat seventeen well (the recent gose eps prove it or at least I believe so!) I was a fan for many years and I can say that svt are taken care of better than they used to be

I'm glad Pledis is getting better, however it doesn't excuse the ruckus they made in the past. I guess I respect it? If Seventeen is glad then I'll be glad.

um before you get ratioed by nctzens.. just kidding, your typo just triggered me

i don't know that you are entitled to mention a typo, when you start a sentence with "um" .... Theirs was a typo/accident, yours is just really bad English. 🙄

@@nuraidanadhirah1512 oh thanks for calling me out for that, as I've talking a lot about nct and the fandom lately I think my keyboard is just used to ncitizen more than nitizens so it fixed it 😭😭

But there are still groups who are privileged in so many ways, not discrediting them, but do know your privileges.

Same 😭😭

Same 😭😭

Same

I can't believe how blind I was thinking Pledis was actually a good company 😭

oh dears, I'm a pledis stan (groups, not the company ofc) and there are soooo many bad stuff this company has done... I know it for sure

I think things got better after their rookie days... I mean in 2017 or 2018

Probably after years of training they also built relationship with their staff or managers. There's a possibility that the staff's aren't harsh to them or whatsoever

Really?

@@jisooscries492 yes

@@caratandarmy7456 To who

@@nunupon1359 seventeen have contact with pledis entertainment. Their contract was finished some months ago but they re-signed the contract to continue the group

They can pull a got7 on coz they are self produced so they hold the copyright for their whole discography.

I really hope they join bighit

_Daily_Dose_of_Me_ same

@@chiakitm5955 this reminds me of something... idk abt songs, but pledis did steal credits of choreo from the boys in their early debut years

....they just renewed it today

They were never privileged

It’s sad cause they were never privileged. A lot may think so with how things are now but even since before, they were struggling to even have basic necessities such as tissue and toothpaste cause it was limited for them. If they didn’t start self-producing, the company wouldn’t have debuted them in the first place. Now, svt’s still even worrying about a production show’s budget when they said that svt can get any food they want. Tbh if you came from nothing, that would rlly stick with you for a long time

If you enjoy bts burn the stage, I recommend you to watch seventeen hit the road. It's free available on KZfaq with subs. It's only have 15 eps including prologue and epilogue plus each ep only about 10mins 🤗 if u like to watch run bts, i highly recommend you to watch going seventeen series on KZfaq. It's the best and funniest idol variety show ever. Each ep have different concept based on members ideas so you can just EASILY enjoy and wont get bored trust me😭😂 Theyre so funny and entertaining ngl that even non kpopers, non svt fandom and other idols like NCT,CRAVITY AND P1HARMONY etc also watch it! They even drunk like crazy in that one ep lol. Going seventeen 2020 eps alone gained more than 100MILLIONS vi3ws so try it! Btw the pdnims also have worked with many famous korean variety shows such as running man, 2 days 1 night, new journey to the west etc so the editing is top tier and funny lol🔥💗😚 Here some of my recommendations for beginners: TTT (most fav, they went to short trip): ep 44,45 (2020)and 21,22,23(2019) The8 & 12 shadows: 25,26 (2020) Playground: 24,25 (2019) The tag (horror): ep 27,28 (2020) Seungkwan's boo past life: ep 5,6,7 (2020) Mafia series😂: ep 3,4 and 40,41 (2020) Link for 2020 version with subtitles: kzfaq.info/sun/PLklx-ZiMigCh7x8X0DnGLhJudcJrNWxYI Link for 2019 version: kzfaq.info/sun/PLRLs-uNKxxcEJGVhdpepgEzQ9YvxjOI16 Going seventeen also always trending every week esp in Korea, Japan KZfaq and sometimes worldwide too!!! 🥺🙈try it

@@stantalentsstancomediansst5712 THANK YOU for the recommendations!! i'll make sure to listen and have a watch to all of it:)

exactly. their way of handling legal issues has also improved a lot with the mi7gyu case

just because it happened in the past doesnt mean we can just brush it off and pretend it didn't happen. we dont know what's happening behind the curtains and if you're a fan you'll know that until now the mistreatment and sabotage to svt members still continues.

pl3dis have been mistreating svt for years now that when the company literally does the BARE MINIMUM we suddenly get so amazed and praise them so much

​@@jeonghan4554lmao your comment makes me laugh. SVT are not fools, they won't even resign their contract if they were mistreated. And the fact is that they resign 1 YEAR BEFORE their contract expired, which means they came to the decision smoothly. You said "we don't know what's happening behind the curtains", yes because you don't even know how close the staff and SVT are. Thanks

EXACTLY! Man, I was scrolling the comments to find one like yours. I'm happy I did. These videos are just fuming up fans and I don't think it's healthy at all. We should give Pledis a chance and hell. I think it's doing a really great job lately. Not perfect, of course. But they're finally doing it right.

Fr when something good happen to svt like achievements they will praise pledis but if something bad happen they will blame hybe like what!! AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIER MAD AT HYBE THEY WILL DRAGGED BANG PD AND EVEN BODYSHAME BANG PD LIKE THEY DONT KNOW HOW HYBE WORK BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A FAN...THEY JUST WANT PUT DIRT ON THE COMPANY NAME BECAUSE THEY KNOW HYBE IS ONE OF THE BEST HANDLING THEIR ARTISTS AND TREAT THEM AS HUMAN, FAMILY NOT ONLY IDOLS WHO TREAT THEM LIKE MONEY MAKERS ONLY AND NOT TREAT THEM RIGHT

@@kdramakpopuniverse3756 if you weren't aware. Non-Carats have been saying SVT is thriving because of HYBE. That's why Carats get defensive. You seem to be a non-fan, so I'm not going to argue with you because it's a waste of time. But you clearly don't know what non-Carats have been saying about SVT's success.

I'm okay that they're under HYBE because the boys seem to be happy with it, but we don't know what's happening inside. I do think HYBE is doing more managing for SVT. 2 times. 1. In Weverse, they posted a TXT post on SVT's Weverse. 2. Twitter. They posted an Enhypen post on Japanese SVT twitter. I'd accept if someone has an explanation for this, but for now, I'd rather believe PLEDIS isn't as "free" or "independent" as what some fans hoped. Welcome to the diamond life btw. 💎💖 I hope you enjoy your time and find comfort in Seventeen 😊

I'm sorry but please keep in mind, for your information, if a company owns more than 50% of the share of company, it is considered as controlling interest. "Purchasing more than 50% of a target firm's stock and other assets allows the acquire to make decisions about the newly acquired assets even without the approval from the company's other shareholders." to make it short, hybe acquired 85% of pledis. well from my perspective ever since hybe acquired svt the only thing they’ve gained was weverse and more exposure on western shows. No hate but there was act more loss than gain..pledis does run independently, but as hybe owns 85% of the company whether they deny it or not they still do have a lot of say in how pledis should run. i don’t know how much hybe makes over pledis because that data was never released to the public. it’s a bit naive to say they don’t make that much off pledis because just last year alone svt sold million plus copies on one ep alone hehehe. Of course both of them gain benefits from each other😅😊have a nice day ahead btw

@@ofcoursewhynot4829 yes many toxic armys are discrediting svt too and actually cartas also have love hate relationship with pledis but more to hate lol. But I still respect the good armys that appreciate svt

They might renew to keep the name and make sure they can stay together. We can’t see everything but I do know that they do not promote at all especially with the China lines music

@@layneo8323 yes which is something Pledis need to work on and I believe fans has been super vocal about promoting all them members equally. I think the contract renewals have to do more with the members rather than the company.